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+x+xI dont understand. I thought we had a war chest. I thought we had a heap of players coming to end of their contracts (at least 8 or 10) at years end. We have 3 known recruits (JAC, Burton and Naden) who will all be in the top 30. By my count, we would need to either resign existing players to fulfill the top 30 commitments, recruit new guys or promote from lower grades. I can understand the top 30 but I would be livid if our current squad is even at 75% of the 9Million cap. If its beyond that I want a complete overhaul of the board. NOW. Don’t do your sums based on who we have off contract, do them based on who we have on contract. For ‘22 we have in the outside backs contracted on NRL money, Allen, JAC, Cotric, Naden, so there’s four of five spots with NRL money spent on them. Complimenting them we have Sloop and Alomoti, one of if not both we’d be hoping becomes a permanent NRL player and as such will have to be upgraded come the end of ‘22. Ockunbar whom I’m expecting we’ll keep, and there’s Avo who might be tried at FB, if not we’re also over flowing in the halves. Burton is on a two year deal with an option in his favour, so I would guess and I bet I’m right he’s open to offers come Nov ‘22 and seeing as we’re obviously under- paying him before he even walks in the door, we got to have room to upgrade him, probably by near double, for ‘23 and might even have to upgrade him as soon as he walks in the door for goodwill. Remember we’re getting him for… $400k I think, somebody’s gonna be offering him $800k plus for ‘24 ( in Nov ‘22) so we gotta be ready for that. And remember Nicks Hynes comes at 3 years (and that’s important, considering who we have to upgrade, (Burton, one or both of Sloop and Alomoti) at $600k p.a to enter the bidding. Do your sums man, The Board’s done theirs. Dude..... i HAVE done my sums and unless you're telling me we have 4 players on over 1M dollars, i cannot for the life of me and my dead grandmother figure out where the fekk our SC money is being spent?????? Can you? Like i have said many many times before.... prior to the downgrade in SC last year, it was i think around 9M for 30 players with min wage of 100k That's an average of 300k for every fekking top 30 player. If we assume at least 5 of them are on the 100k mark, 5 are on the 200k mark, thats 10 players on no more than 1.5M cap. If you then consider another 8 or so players on 250k and lets say another 8 are on the average of 300k - that's another 4.4M. This leaves 4 players to share 3.1M with an average of 775k. Now...... who the hell are we paying that kind of $$$ to? Which 4 players you reckon? I can tell you who i think is on the highest....... Jacko, Hoppa, JAC and Cotric. The question is...... would you pay ANY of them that much? I would pay it to JAC as we had to pay premium for him. I can understand we might have to pay it to Burton as an upgrade but we can give him that upgrade in 2023 after we release Stimson. Its not rocket science man. Its simple math. The only time it becomes ridiculous is when you consider stupid re-signings have taken place on players who dont deserve that kind of money.
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+x+x+xI dont understand. I thought we had a war chest. I thought we had a heap of players coming to end of their contracts (at least 8 or 10) at years end. We have 3 known recruits (JAC, Burton and Naden) who will all be in the top 30. By my count, we would need to either resign existing players to fulfill the top 30 commitments, recruit new guys or promote from lower grades. I can understand the top 30 but I would be livid if our current squad is even at 75% of the 9Million cap. If its beyond that I want a complete overhaul of the board. NOW. Don’t do your sums based on who we have off contract, do them based on who we have on contract. For ‘22 we have in the outside backs contracted on NRL money, Allen, JAC, Cotric, Naden, so there’s four of five spots with NRL money spent on them. Complimenting them we have Sloop and Alomoti, one of if not both we’d be hoping becomes a permanent NRL player and as such will have to be upgraded come the end of ‘22. Ockunbar whom I’m expecting we’ll keep, and there’s Avo who might be tried at FB, if not we’re also over flowing in the halves. Burton is on a two year deal with an option in his favour, so I would guess and I bet I’m right he’s open to offers come Nov ‘22 and seeing as we’re obviously under- paying him before he even walks in the door, we got to have room to upgrade him, probably by near double, for ‘23 and might even have to upgrade him as soon as he walks in the door for goodwill. Remember we’re getting him for… $400k I think, somebody’s gonna be offering him $800k plus for ‘24 ( in Nov ‘22) so we gotta be ready for that. And remember Nicks Hynes comes at 3 years (and that’s important, considering who we have to upgrade, (Burton, one or both of Sloop and Alomoti) at $600k p.a to enter the bidding. Do your sums man, The Board’s done theirs. Dude..... i HAVE done my sums and unless you're telling me we have 4 players on over 1M dollars, i cannot for the life of me and my dead grandmother figure out where the fekk our SC money is being spent?????? Can you? Like i have said many many times before.... prior to the downgrade in SC last year, it was i think around 9M for 30 players with min wage of 100k That's an average of 300k for every fekking top 30 player. If we assume at least 5 of them are on the 100k mark, 5 are on the 200k mark, thats 10 players on no more than 1.5M cap. If you then consider another 8 or so players on 250k and lets say another 8 are on the average of 300k - that's another 4.4M. This leaves 4 players to share 3.1M with an average of 775k. Now...... who the hell are we paying that kind of $$$ to? Which 4 players you reckon? I can tell you who i think is on the highest....... Jacko, Hoppa, JAC and Cotric. The question is...... would you pay ANY of them that much? I would pay it to JAC as we had to pay premium for him. I can understand we might have to pay it to Burton as an upgrade but we can give him that upgrade in 2023 after we release Stimson. Its not rocket science man. Its simple math. The only time it becomes ridiculous is when you consider stupid re-signings have taken place on players who dont deserve that kind of money. Can i just add that i reckon we would be one of the clubs with a more "normalised" distribution of SC, meaning we probably spread the vast majority of it on bulk of top 30 players, meanwhile most other clubs spend probably 80% on it on their top 17 players and only 20% on the remaining 13..... We need to change this. We spend too much on reserve graders because they are in and out of the first grade team because the first graders arent much better than the reserve graders.
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+x+x+xI dont understand. I thought we had a war chest. I thought we had a heap of players coming to end of their contracts (at least 8 or 10) at years end. We have 3 known recruits (JAC, Burton and Naden) who will all be in the top 30. By my count, we would need to either resign existing players to fulfill the top 30 commitments, recruit new guys or promote from lower grades. I can understand the top 30 but I would be livid if our current squad is even at 75% of the 9Million cap. If its beyond that I want a complete overhaul of the board. NOW. Don’t do your sums based on who we have off contract, do them based on who we have on contract. For ‘22 we have in the outside backs contracted on NRL money, Allen, JAC, Cotric, Naden, so there’s four of five spots with NRL money spent on them. Complimenting them we have Sloop and Alomoti, one of if not both we’d be hoping becomes a permanent NRL player and as such will have to be upgraded come the end of ‘22. Ockunbar whom I’m expecting we’ll keep, and there’s Avo who might be tried at FB, if not we’re also over flowing in the halves. Burton is on a two year deal with an option in his favour, so I would guess and I bet I’m right he’s open to offers come Nov ‘22 and seeing as we’re obviously under- paying him before he even walks in the door, we got to have room to upgrade him, probably by near double, for ‘23 and might even have to upgrade him as soon as he walks in the door for goodwill. Remember we’re getting him for… $400k I think, somebody’s gonna be offering him $800k plus for ‘24 ( in Nov ‘22) so we gotta be ready for that. And remember Nicks Hynes comes at 3 years (and that’s important, considering who we have to upgrade, (Burton, one or both of Sloop and Alomoti) at $600k p.a to enter the bidding. Do your sums man, The Board’s done theirs. Dude..... i HAVE done my sums and unless you're telling me we have 4 players on over 1M dollars, i cannot for the life of me and my dead grandmother figure out where the fekk our SC money is being spent?????? Can you? Like i have said many many times before.... prior to the downgrade in SC last year, it was i think around 9M for 30 players with min wage of 100k That's an average of 300k for every fekking top 30 player. If we assume at least 5 of them are on the 100k mark, 5 are on the 200k mark, thats 10 players on no more than 1.5M cap. If you then consider another 8 or so players on 250k and lets say another 8 are on the average of 300k - that's another 4.4M. This leaves 4 players to share 3.1M with an average of 775k. Now...... who the hell are we paying that kind of $$$ to? Which 4 players you reckon? I can tell you who i think is on the highest....... Jacko, Hoppa, JAC and Cotric. The question is...... would you pay ANY of them that much? I would pay it to JAC as we had to pay premium for him. I can understand we might have to pay it to Burton as an upgrade but we can give him that upgrade in 2023 after we release Stimson. Its not rocket science man. Its simple math. The only time it becomes ridiculous is when you consider stupid re-signings have taken place on players who dont deserve that kind of money. in addition to Jacko, Hoppa and Cotric, as named by your good self, Thommo, ,Napa, Elliot to start with would all be on more than 300... then there is DWZ... Allen, Hethers, and Flanno maybe around that 300K... Youve easily underestimate the value of mid range players...
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+x+x+x+xI dont understand. I thought we had a war chest. I thought we had a heap of players coming to end of their contracts (at least 8 or 10) at years end. We have 3 known recruits (JAC, Burton and Naden) who will all be in the top 30. By my count, we would need to either resign existing players to fulfill the top 30 commitments, recruit new guys or promote from lower grades. I can understand the top 30 but I would be livid if our current squad is even at 75% of the 9Million cap. If its beyond that I want a complete overhaul of the board. NOW. Don’t do your sums based on who we have off contract, do them based on who we have on contract. For ‘22 we have in the outside backs contracted on NRL money, Allen, JAC, Cotric, Naden, so there’s four of five spots with NRL money spent on them. Complimenting them we have Sloop and Alomoti, one of if not both we’d be hoping becomes a permanent NRL player and as such will have to be upgraded come the end of ‘22. Ockunbar whom I’m expecting we’ll keep, and there’s Avo who might be tried at FB, if not we’re also over flowing in the halves. Burton is on a two year deal with an option in his favour, so I would guess and I bet I’m right he’s open to offers come Nov ‘22 and seeing as we’re obviously under- paying him before he even walks in the door, we got to have room to upgrade him, probably by near double, for ‘23 and might even have to upgrade him as soon as he walks in the door for goodwill. Remember we’re getting him for… $400k I think, somebody’s gonna be offering him $800k plus for ‘24 ( in Nov ‘22) so we gotta be ready for that. And remember Nicks Hynes comes at 3 years (and that’s important, considering who we have to upgrade, (Burton, one or both of Sloop and Alomoti) at $600k p.a to enter the bidding. Do your sums man, The Board’s done theirs. Dude..... i HAVE done my sums and unless you're telling me we have 4 players on over 1M dollars, i cannot for the life of me and my dead grandmother figure out where the fekk our SC money is being spent?????? Can you? Like i have said many many times before.... prior to the downgrade in SC last year, it was i think around 9M for 30 players with min wage of 100k That's an average of 300k for every fekking top 30 player. If we assume at least 5 of them are on the 100k mark, 5 are on the 200k mark, thats 10 players on no more than 1.5M cap. If you then consider another 8 or so players on 250k and lets say another 8 are on the average of 300k - that's another 4.4M. This leaves 4 players to share 3.1M with an average of 775k. Now...... who the hell are we paying that kind of $$$ to? Which 4 players you reckon? I can tell you who i think is on the highest....... Jacko, Hoppa, JAC and Cotric. The question is...... would you pay ANY of them that much? I would pay it to JAC as we had to pay premium for him. I can understand we might have to pay it to Burton as an upgrade but we can give him that upgrade in 2023 after we release Stimson. Its not rocket science man. Its simple math. The only time it becomes ridiculous is when you consider stupid re-signings have taken place on players who dont deserve that kind of money. in addition to Jacko, Hoppa and Cotric, as named by your good self, Thommo, ,Napa, Elliot to start with would all be on more than 300... then there is DWZ... Allen, Hethers, and Flanno maybe around that 300K... Youve easily underestimate the value of mid range players... I just assume that the club spends 80% of our cap on grog for a fully deserving fan, and keeping the fanbase happy is a shrewd investment.
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+x+x+x+xI dont understand. I thought we had a war chest. I thought we had a heap of players coming to end of their contracts (at least 8 or 10) at years end. We have 3 known recruits (JAC, Burton and Naden) who will all be in the top 30. By my count, we would need to either resign existing players to fulfill the top 30 commitments, recruit new guys or promote from lower grades. I can understand the top 30 but I would be livid if our current squad is even at 75% of the 9Million cap. If its beyond that I want a complete overhaul of the board. NOW. Don’t do your sums based on who we have off contract, do them based on who we have on contract. For ‘22 we have in the outside backs contracted on NRL money, Allen, JAC, Cotric, Naden, so there’s four of five spots with NRL money spent on them. Complimenting them we have Sloop and Alomoti, one of if not both we’d be hoping becomes a permanent NRL player and as such will have to be upgraded come the end of ‘22. Ockunbar whom I’m expecting we’ll keep, and there’s Avo who might be tried at FB, if not we’re also over flowing in the halves. Burton is on a two year deal with an option in his favour, so I would guess and I bet I’m right he’s open to offers come Nov ‘22 and seeing as we’re obviously under- paying him before he even walks in the door, we got to have room to upgrade him, probably by near double, for ‘23 and might even have to upgrade him as soon as he walks in the door for goodwill. Remember we’re getting him for… $400k I think, somebody’s gonna be offering him $800k plus for ‘24 ( in Nov ‘22) so we gotta be ready for that. And remember Nicks Hynes comes at 3 years (and that’s important, considering who we have to upgrade, (Burton, one or both of Sloop and Alomoti) at $600k p.a to enter the bidding. Do your sums man, The Board’s done theirs. Dude..... i HAVE done my sums and unless you're telling me we have 4 players on over 1M dollars, i cannot for the life of me and my dead grandmother figure out where the fekk our SC money is being spent?????? Can you? Like i have said many many times before.... prior to the downgrade in SC last year, it was i think around 9M for 30 players with min wage of 100k That's an average of 300k for every fekking top 30 player. If we assume at least 5 of them are on the 100k mark, 5 are on the 200k mark, thats 10 players on no more than 1.5M cap. If you then consider another 8 or so players on 250k and lets say another 8 are on the average of 300k - that's another 4.4M. This leaves 4 players to share 3.1M with an average of 775k. Now...... who the hell are we paying that kind of $$$ to? Which 4 players you reckon? I can tell you who i think is on the highest....... Jacko, Hoppa, JAC and Cotric. The question is...... would you pay ANY of them that much? I would pay it to JAC as we had to pay premium for him. I can understand we might have to pay it to Burton as an upgrade but we can give him that upgrade in 2023 after we release Stimson. Its not rocket science man. Its simple math. The only time it becomes ridiculous is when you consider stupid re-signings have taken place on players who dont deserve that kind of money. in addition to Jacko, Hoppa and Cotric, as named by your good self, Thommo, ,Napa, Elliot to start with would all be on more than 300... then there is DWZ... Allen, Hethers, and Flanno maybe around that 300K... Youve easily underestimate the value of mid range players... Hopefully Hoppa and Napa are not here next year, but Burton, Naden and JAC will not come cheap. My expectation 2-3 more NRL quality recruits, a hooker, a prop, and maybe a utilty that can play a bit of fullback.
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+x+x+x+xI dont understand. I thought we had a war chest. I thought we had a heap of players coming to end of their contracts (at least 8 or 10) at years end. We have 3 known recruits (JAC, Burton and Naden) who will all be in the top 30. By my count, we would need to either resign existing players to fulfill the top 30 commitments, recruit new guys or promote from lower grades. I can understand the top 30 but I would be livid if our current squad is even at 75% of the 9Million cap. If its beyond that I want a complete overhaul of the board. NOW. Don’t do your sums based on who we have off contract, do them based on who we have on contract. For ‘22 we have in the outside backs contracted on NRL money, Allen, JAC, Cotric, Naden, so there’s four of five spots with NRL money spent on them. Complimenting them we have Sloop and Alomoti, one of if not both we’d be hoping becomes a permanent NRL player and as such will have to be upgraded come the end of ‘22. Ockunbar whom I’m expecting we’ll keep, and there’s Avo who might be tried at FB, if not we’re also over flowing in the halves. Burton is on a two year deal with an option in his favour, so I would guess and I bet I’m right he’s open to offers come Nov ‘22 and seeing as we’re obviously under- paying him before he even walks in the door, we got to have room to upgrade him, probably by near double, for ‘23 and might even have to upgrade him as soon as he walks in the door for goodwill. Remember we’re getting him for… $400k I think, somebody’s gonna be offering him $800k plus for ‘24 ( in Nov ‘22) so we gotta be ready for that. And remember Nicks Hynes comes at 3 years (and that’s important, considering who we have to upgrade, (Burton, one or both of Sloop and Alomoti) at $600k p.a to enter the bidding. Do your sums man, The Board’s done theirs. Dude..... i HAVE done my sums and unless you're telling me we have 4 players on over 1M dollars, i cannot for the life of me and my dead grandmother figure out where the fekk our SC money is being spent?????? Can you? Like i have said many many times before.... prior to the downgrade in SC last year, it was i think around 9M for 30 players with min wage of 100k That's an average of 300k for every fekking top 30 player. If we assume at least 5 of them are on the 100k mark, 5 are on the 200k mark, thats 10 players on no more than 1.5M cap. If you then consider another 8 or so players on 250k and lets say another 8 are on the average of 300k - that's another 4.4M. This leaves 4 players to share 3.1M with an average of 775k. Now...... who the hell are we paying that kind of $$$ to? Which 4 players you reckon? I can tell you who i think is on the highest....... Jacko, Hoppa, JAC and Cotric. The question is...... would you pay ANY of them that much? I would pay it to JAC as we had to pay premium for him. I can understand we might have to pay it to Burton as an upgrade but we can give him that upgrade in 2023 after we release Stimson. Its not rocket science man. Its simple math. The only time it becomes ridiculous is when you consider stupid re-signings have taken place on players who dont deserve that kind of money. Can i just add that i reckon we would be one of the clubs with a more "normalised" distribution of SC, meaning we probably spread the vast majority of it on bulk of top 30 players, meanwhile most other clubs spend probably 80% on it on their top 17 players and only 20% on the remaining 13..... We need to change this. We spend too much on reserve graders because they are in and out of the first grade team because the first graders arent much better than the reserve graders. We have been unwinding previous front loaded deals, so we are running on a significantly reduced real cap. Some of our signings particularly in the Pay era were from the bargin bin. But we also paid overs for DWZ. Next season we are closer to a full cap than we have been for 2-3 seasons. I would expect a corresponding lift in the quality of our squad. Players like Britt and Stimson may be replaced with better options. But what this also means is some of the cleanout doesn't free up as much as we imagine. Our squad should start to look similar to the other squads.
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Waaaay waaaay underestimating. The agreement with the PA sets a minimum spend on the cap, think it’s 97%.
Wether you have 30 internationals or 30 Reggies you have to spend the money, can’t save it, can’t roll it over. Must be spent.
And when you spend that money, you want to avoid as much as possible paying NRL type money for someone to play Reggies. We’re flush with outside backs on NRL money for ‘22 and with potential upgrades haven’t much room beyond that without moving some on. We’ve got very little comparatively invested in forwards, or. #9 or even, apart from the expected Burton upgrade, the halves.
If you want to bid for Cheese, or a half that may come up, or the class front rowers and backrowers you’ve lamented us not having, you can’t keep spending their money on outside backs to play Reggies.
It’s money and it’s roster space, they go hand in hand. No more money or roster space left for outside backs until some leave, when they’re off contract.
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How can you say that?
How can you possibly think money spent outside the spine is better spent?
Quite easily when it’s already spent. Why not buy Hynes AND then just keep going on FB’s if there’s no money better spent outside the spine. It’s not only the money it’s the roster space, and on outside backs for ‘22, unless there’s further movement we’re full. Even with Hoppa and DWZ and Meaney and you could probably throw a couple more in gone. And do remember also, you would’ve had to bid in excess of $600k for Hynes, not as if it was just money we had down the back of the couch. We don’t have the money, or the space. It’s that simple. I dont understand. I thought we had a war chest. I thought we had a heap of players coming to end of their contracts (at least 8 or 10) at years end. We have 3 known recruits (JAC, Burton and Naden) who will all be in the top 30. By my count, we would need to either resign existing players to fulfill the top 30 commitments, recruit new guys or promote from lower grades. I can understand the top 30 but I would be livid if our current squad is even at 75% of the 9Million cap. If its beyond that I want a complete overhaul of the board. NOW. More recruits are coming, some will be lower graders promoted. The club has a plan and they are not telling us what the plan is. I expect a lot of turnover. I will be disappointed if we let Atoni and Odgen both go, becuase if we can fix up their defence they are part of the solution. A club can never sign it's way to success, it needs to be able to develop players and improve players. Signings need to be targeted, high priced signings who are certain NRL starters and depth signings who are NRL capable at the right price. If Baz already has his first choice halves and fullback signed to 2022, he isn't going to sign a high priced backup fullback to play reserve grade. A lot of players ask what position they will be playing before they sign and reserve grade isn't the answer top players are looking for. You are bang on HD. The key sentence in your post is the second last paragraph. If Baz has locked in the fullback spot with either JAC, Allen, Averillo or some other unnamed recruit and it fails, it's all on him. If it works out.... genius! Going with the grain, you dont get criticized much if things go bad. But if you make a left field decision and fails, it leaves a sour taste in most peoples mouth. One they wont forget when the coaches contract is up for renewal. JAC at fullback wont be a complete disaster. His speed in attack will ensure it isnt. But I feel we could have been even better with him on the win and a specialist (proven) fullback. I dont think it would have broken the bank either. I think JAC is plan A, I can see why Baz is taking the gamble, becuase I would. If it doesn't work out, JAC reverts to wing. What we can afford is a top class unknown young player to be an additional option for fullback/wing/centre. We don't guarantee that guy a position, just if he is good enough he is a candidate for 3 NRL positions. I want the coach making the recruitment calls, but not managing the overall strategy. So the coach owns results for 1-2 seasons, but further down the track the club is managing the cap and the lower grades. The other consideration is spread our bets over multiple positions. If is no good have 5 great fullbacks if we only have 2 ordinary hookers. Hooker and prop are high priority, very high priority. JAC at fullback, well I was more confident about Thurston and Harry Grant, but I am very confident. If it works it is this kind of elite territory we are talking about, behind Trubo, Teddy and Pappenwhatever, but elite, the kind of eilte that wins games. I have been wrong and right before, but a hunch is a hunch, if it blows up it will not be the first or last time. All i can say is that if JAC was even a smidgen chance of being a fullback in the role that Bellamy wants them to be, he would have had the jump on Cam Munster, Jarome Hughes, Scott Drinkwater, Ryan Pappenhuyzen and Nicko Hynes. The fact that he wasnt even considered has alarm bells ringing. We will see, my hunch that he is plan A for fullback might be wrong. But if he is, I'm expecting him to do well. The Storm are a different club. with different needs and priorities. Bellyache would have had to find a replacement winger and find a job for Pap and Hynes. Hynes was very good at fullback in reserve grade, it was an easy call to make. The Fox has grown into a bigger body and is a fitter more confident player than he was 2-3 seasons ago. Fullback is demanding, but I sense he is up for the challenge.
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+xWaaaay waaaay underestimating. The agreement with the PA sets a minimum spend on the cap, think it’s 97%. Wether you have 30 internationals or 30 Reggies you have to spend the money, can’t save it, can’t roll it over. Must be spent. And when you spend that money, you want to avoid as much as possible paying NRL type money for someone to play Reggies. We’re flush with outside backs on NRL money for ‘22 and with potential upgrades haven’t much room beyond that without moving some on. We’ve got very little comparatively invested in forwards, or. #9 or even, apart from the expected Burton upgrade, the halves. If you want to bid for Cheese, or a half that may come up, or the class front rowers and backrowers you’ve lamented us not having, you can’t keep spending their money on outside backs to play Reggies. It’s money and it’s roster space, they go hand in hand. No more money or roster space left for outside backs until some leave, when they’re off contract. We have also got some good outside backs in the lower grades. With the possible exception of fullback, we are over stocked on outside backs at all levels. The Naden signing tells me Hoppa is definitely going and we want to ease in the young centres not throw them into NRL before they are ready. Cotric and Okunbor would be my first choice wingers, and we have some OK wingers in reserve grade, that is another position where some contracts might not be extended. Anyone we sign who has previously played NRL, has to be viewed as a starting player and we need to fit all the good players into the side. Like you I don't get why Marki is obsessed with signing Hynes, if the club thought we needed him we would have bid. If we were outbid, that is the end of the matter.
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+xKurt Capewell signs with Broncos. Ikin was asked on NRL360 who he would chase first when he starts at the Broncos and he didn't hide naming Capewell as his first target. Must have been talks before Ikin came on board but he certainly made sure the i's and t's were sorted quick smart. Capewell's manager must have thought it was Christmas when he heard Ikin talking him up on TV
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+x+xKurt Capewell signs with Broncos. Ikin was asked on NRL360 who he would chase first when he starts at the Broncos and he didn't hide naming Capewell as his first target. Must have been talks before Ikin came on board but he certainly made sure the i's and t's were sorted quick smart. Capewell's manager must have thought it was Christmas when he heard Ikin talking him up on TV He is a good player and I can see why the Broncos want him. But you don't need to be a footy guru to know that club is a mess. If they sign another good defensive second rower that might help balance the side. Reynolds might help being a calm playmaker which is another thing that they need. But you can bet Reynolds is on big money and if he gets an injury it might take him a while to get back on the paddock. The Broncos have a salary sombrero, friendly media and abundant sources of talented juniors, messing that up was a greater piece of art than the Sistine Chapel.
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+x+x+x+x+xI dont understand. I thought we had a war chest. I thought we had a heap of players coming to end of their contracts (at least 8 or 10) at years end. We have 3 known recruits (JAC, Burton and Naden) who will all be in the top 30. By my count, we would need to either resign existing players to fulfill the top 30 commitments, recruit new guys or promote from lower grades. I can understand the top 30 but I would be livid if our current squad is even at 75% of the 9Million cap. If its beyond that I want a complete overhaul of the board. NOW. Don’t do your sums based on who we have off contract, do them based on who we have on contract. For ‘22 we have in the outside backs contracted on NRL money, Allen, JAC, Cotric, Naden, so there’s four of five spots with NRL money spent on them. Complimenting them we have Sloop and Alomoti, one of if not both we’d be hoping becomes a permanent NRL player and as such will have to be upgraded come the end of ‘22. Ockunbar whom I’m expecting we’ll keep, and there’s Avo who might be tried at FB, if not we’re also over flowing in the halves. Burton is on a two year deal with an option in his favour, so I would guess and I bet I’m right he’s open to offers come Nov ‘22 and seeing as we’re obviously under- paying him before he even walks in the door, we got to have room to upgrade him, probably by near double, for ‘23 and might even have to upgrade him as soon as he walks in the door for goodwill. Remember we’re getting him for… $400k I think, somebody’s gonna be offering him $800k plus for ‘24 ( in Nov ‘22) so we gotta be ready for that. And remember Nicks Hynes comes at 3 years (and that’s important, considering who we have to upgrade, (Burton, one or both of Sloop and Alomoti) at $600k p.a to enter the bidding. Do your sums man, The Board’s done theirs. Dude..... i HAVE done my sums and unless you're telling me we have 4 players on over 1M dollars, i cannot for the life of me and my dead grandmother figure out where the fekk our SC money is being spent?????? Can you? Like i have said many many times before.... prior to the downgrade in SC last year, it was i think around 9M for 30 players with min wage of 100k That's an average of 300k for every fekking top 30 player. If we assume at least 5 of them are on the 100k mark, 5 are on the 200k mark, thats 10 players on no more than 1.5M cap. If you then consider another 8 or so players on 250k and lets say another 8 are on the average of 300k - that's another 4.4M. This leaves 4 players to share 3.1M with an average of 775k. Now...... who the hell are we paying that kind of $$$ to? Which 4 players you reckon? I can tell you who i think is on the highest....... Jacko, Hoppa, JAC and Cotric. The question is...... would you pay ANY of them that much? I would pay it to JAC as we had to pay premium for him. I can understand we might have to pay it to Burton as an upgrade but we can give him that upgrade in 2023 after we release Stimson. Its not rocket science man. Its simple math. The only time it becomes ridiculous is when you consider stupid re-signings have taken place on players who dont deserve that kind of money. in addition to Jacko, Hoppa and Cotric, as named by your good self, Thommo, ,Napa, Elliot to start with would all be on more than 300... then there is DWZ... Allen, Hethers, and Flanno maybe around that 300K... Youve easily underestimate the value of mid range players... Hopefully Hoppa and Napa are not here next year, but Burton, Naden and JAC will not come cheap. My expectation 2-3 more NRL quality recruits, a hooker, a prop, and maybe a utilty that can play a bit of fullback. Naden is serving a drug ban, is a fringe first grader in most top teams and would be on no more than about 300k. Zef is reporting we got Burton on the cheap (around 400k) and JAC is listed on zero tackle as being on 550k. Cotric on 650k. I can only assume we payed massive money to some of our players just to get to the minimum 95% cap buffer...... now its biting us in the arse...
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+x+x+x+x+xI dont understand. I thought we had a war chest. I thought we had a heap of players coming to end of their contracts (at least 8 or 10) at years end. We have 3 known recruits (JAC, Burton and Naden) who will all be in the top 30. By my count, we would need to either resign existing players to fulfill the top 30 commitments, recruit new guys or promote from lower grades. I can understand the top 30 but I would be livid if our current squad is even at 75% of the 9Million cap. If its beyond that I want a complete overhaul of the board. NOW. Don’t do your sums based on who we have off contract, do them based on who we have on contract. For ‘22 we have in the outside backs contracted on NRL money, Allen, JAC, Cotric, Naden, so there’s four of five spots with NRL money spent on them. Complimenting them we have Sloop and Alomoti, one of if not both we’d be hoping becomes a permanent NRL player and as such will have to be upgraded come the end of ‘22. Ockunbar whom I’m expecting we’ll keep, and there’s Avo who might be tried at FB, if not we’re also over flowing in the halves. Burton is on a two year deal with an option in his favour, so I would guess and I bet I’m right he’s open to offers come Nov ‘22 and seeing as we’re obviously under- paying him before he even walks in the door, we got to have room to upgrade him, probably by near double, for ‘23 and might even have to upgrade him as soon as he walks in the door for goodwill. Remember we’re getting him for… $400k I think, somebody’s gonna be offering him $800k plus for ‘24 ( in Nov ‘22) so we gotta be ready for that. And remember Nicks Hynes comes at 3 years (and that’s important, considering who we have to upgrade, (Burton, one or both of Sloop and Alomoti) at $600k p.a to enter the bidding. Do your sums man, The Board’s done theirs. Dude..... i HAVE done my sums and unless you're telling me we have 4 players on over 1M dollars, i cannot for the life of me and my dead grandmother figure out where the fekk our SC money is being spent?????? Can you? Like i have said many many times before.... prior to the downgrade in SC last year, it was i think around 9M for 30 players with min wage of 100k That's an average of 300k for every fekking top 30 player. If we assume at least 5 of them are on the 100k mark, 5 are on the 200k mark, thats 10 players on no more than 1.5M cap. If you then consider another 8 or so players on 250k and lets say another 8 are on the average of 300k - that's another 4.4M. This leaves 4 players to share 3.1M with an average of 775k. Now...... who the hell are we paying that kind of $$$ to? Which 4 players you reckon? I can tell you who i think is on the highest....... Jacko, Hoppa, JAC and Cotric. The question is...... would you pay ANY of them that much? I would pay it to JAC as we had to pay premium for him. I can understand we might have to pay it to Burton as an upgrade but we can give him that upgrade in 2023 after we release Stimson. Its not rocket science man. Its simple math. The only time it becomes ridiculous is when you consider stupid re-signings have taken place on players who dont deserve that kind of money. Can i just add that i reckon we would be one of the clubs with a more "normalised" distribution of SC, meaning we probably spread the vast majority of it on bulk of top 30 players, meanwhile most other clubs spend probably 80% on it on their top 17 players and only 20% on the remaining 13..... We need to change this. We spend too much on reserve graders because they are in and out of the first grade team because the first graders arent much better than the reserve graders. We have been unwinding previous front loaded deals, so we are running on a significantly reduced real cap. Some of our signings particularly in the Pay era were from the bargin bin. But we also paid overs for DWZ. Next season we are closer to a full cap than we have been for 2-3 seasons. I would expect a corresponding lift in the quality of our squad. Players like Britt and Stimson may be replaced with better options. But what this also means is some of the cleanout doesn't free up as much as we imagine. Our squad should start to look similar to the other squads. You must mean backloading. If we had front loaded them, our players would be on 100k each!
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+xWaaaay waaaay underestimating. The agreement with the PA sets a minimum spend on the cap, think it’s 97%. Wether you have 30 internationals or 30 Reggies you have to spend the money, can’t save it, can’t roll it over. Must be spent. And when you spend that money, you want to avoid as much as possible paying NRL type money for someone to play Reggies. We’re flush with outside backs on NRL money for ‘22 and with potential upgrades haven’t much room beyond that without moving some on. We’ve got very little comparatively invested in forwards, or. #9 or even, apart from the expected Burton upgrade, the halves. If you want to bid for Cheese, or a half that may come up, or the class front rowers and backrowers you’ve lamented us not having, you can’t keep spending their money on outside backs to play Reggies. It’s money and it’s roster space, they go hand in hand. No more money or roster space left for outside backs until some leave, when they’re off contract. This is what i mean.... The compulsory 95% (or whatever it is) cap spend imposed by the NRL is better spent front loading contracts of 1st graders rather than wasting it on a uniform distribution of 1st grade and reserve graders. We must have done the latter as it's been 4 years since Des and the board was overthrown and our cap mess is in the rear view mirror. But is it? ...Or has the current board paid overs to our current "veterans" to keep them on the gravy train? It is a real problem when it was well documented that we had deep pockets and cap space yet we cannot sign 1 elite player. Not one. Its equally worrying that you're trying to justify this mess.
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+x+xWaaaay waaaay underestimating. The agreement with the PA sets a minimum spend on the cap, think it’s 97%. Wether you have 30 internationals or 30 Reggies you have to spend the money, can’t save it, can’t roll it over. Must be spent. And when you spend that money, you want to avoid as much as possible paying NRL type money for someone to play Reggies. We’re flush with outside backs on NRL money for ‘22 and with potential upgrades haven’t much room beyond that without moving some on. We’ve got very little comparatively invested in forwards, or. #9 or even, apart from the expected Burton upgrade, the halves. If you want to bid for Cheese, or a half that may come up, or the class front rowers and backrowers you’ve lamented us not having, you can’t keep spending their money on outside backs to play Reggies. It’s money and it’s roster space, they go hand in hand. No more money or roster space left for outside backs until some leave, when they’re off contract. We have also got some good outside backs in the lower grades. With the possible exception of fullback, we are over stocked on outside backs at all levels. The Naden signing tells me Hoppa is definitely going and we want to ease in the young centres not throw them into NRL before they are ready. Cotric and Okunbor would be my first choice wingers, and we have some OK wingers in reserve grade, that is another position where some contracts might not be extended. Anyone we sign who has previously played NRL, has to be viewed as a starting player and we need to fit all the good players into the side. Like you I don't get why Marki is obsessed with signing Hynes, if the club thought we needed him we would have bid. If we were outbid, that is the end of the matter. My obsession is because the club obviously knew Meaney was on the way out and didn't have a contingency plan. That's why.
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+x+xKurt Capewell signs with Broncos. Ikin was asked on NRL360 who he would chase first when he starts at the Broncos and he didn't hide naming Capewell as his first target. Must have been talks before Ikin came on board but he certainly made sure the i's and t's were sorted quick smart. Capewell's manager must have thought it was Christmas when he heard Ikin talking him up on TV Unlike us who have a chronic problem scoring points due to the way we play, the Broncos have s problem defending them with the way they play. They have signed A Reynolds and now Capewell. If they sign a Finucane, they are on their way to fixing their problem. My feeling is that the Broncos will become contenders much faster than us even though their SC was handicapped worse than ours in last couple of years. We need to be more astute with our recruitment and retention. Theres not much in development. Not for a good 5 years
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI dont understand. I thought we had a war chest. I thought we had a heap of players coming to end of their contracts (at least 8 or 10) at years end. We have 3 known recruits (JAC, Burton and Naden) who will all be in the top 30. By my count, we would need to either resign existing players to fulfill the top 30 commitments, recruit new guys or promote from lower grades. I can understand the top 30 but I would be livid if our current squad is even at 75% of the 9Million cap. If its beyond that I want a complete overhaul of the board. NOW. Don’t do your sums based on who we have off contract, do them based on who we have on contract. For ‘22 we have in the outside backs contracted on NRL money, Allen, JAC, Cotric, Naden, so there’s four of five spots with NRL money spent on them. Complimenting them we have Sloop and Alomoti, one of if not both we’d be hoping becomes a permanent NRL player and as such will have to be upgraded come the end of ‘22. Ockunbar whom I’m expecting we’ll keep, and there’s Avo who might be tried at FB, if not we’re also over flowing in the halves. Burton is on a two year deal with an option in his favour, so I would guess and I bet I’m right he’s open to offers come Nov ‘22 and seeing as we’re obviously under- paying him before he even walks in the door, we got to have room to upgrade him, probably by near double, for ‘23 and might even have to upgrade him as soon as he walks in the door for goodwill. Remember we’re getting him for… $400k I think, somebody’s gonna be offering him $800k plus for ‘24 ( in Nov ‘22) so we gotta be ready for that. And remember Nicks Hynes comes at 3 years (and that’s important, considering who we have to upgrade, (Burton, one or both of Sloop and Alomoti) at $600k p.a to enter the bidding. Do your sums man, The Board’s done theirs. Dude..... i HAVE done my sums and unless you're telling me we have 4 players on over 1M dollars, i cannot for the life of me and my dead grandmother figure out where the fekk our SC money is being spent?????? Can you? Like i have said many many times before.... prior to the downgrade in SC last year, it was i think around 9M for 30 players with min wage of 100k That's an average of 300k for every fekking top 30 player. If we assume at least 5 of them are on the 100k mark, 5 are on the 200k mark, thats 10 players on no more than 1.5M cap. If you then consider another 8 or so players on 250k and lets say another 8 are on the average of 300k - that's another 4.4M. This leaves 4 players to share 3.1M with an average of 775k. Now...... who the hell are we paying that kind of $$$ to? Which 4 players you reckon? I can tell you who i think is on the highest....... Jacko, Hoppa, JAC and Cotric. The question is...... would you pay ANY of them that much? I would pay it to JAC as we had to pay premium for him. I can understand we might have to pay it to Burton as an upgrade but we can give him that upgrade in 2023 after we release Stimson. Its not rocket science man. Its simple math. The only time it becomes ridiculous is when you consider stupid re-signings have taken place on players who dont deserve that kind of money. in addition to Jacko, Hoppa and Cotric, as named by your good self, Thommo, ,Napa, Elliot to start with would all be on more than 300... then there is DWZ... Allen, Hethers, and Flanno maybe around that 300K... Youve easily underestimate the value of mid range players... Hopefully Hoppa and Napa are not here next year, but Burton, Naden and JAC will not come cheap. My expectation 2-3 more NRL quality recruits, a hooker, a prop, and maybe a utilty that can play a bit of fullback. Naden is serving a drug ban, is a fringe first grader in most top teams and would be on no more than about 300k. Zef is reporting we got Burton on the cheap (around 400k) and JAC is listed on zero tackle as being on 550k. Cotric on 650k. I can only assume we payed massive money to some of our players just to get to the minimum 95% cap buffer...... now its biting us in the arse... Naden is playing this week... Zero tackle Zero scmackle... Front loading certain players on decent coin may work in our favour if we get a few juniors coming through... it’s gotta be spent anyway... And what you and a bunch of other people with the memory of a goldfish seem to forget is that up until and including this year we were hamstrung cap wise and seen as a place no decent player wanted to go...
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+xA shout out to Villi!!! I hope you’re enjoying your 50th birthday mate... Woohoo! Happy Birthday buddy. Let's celebrate! I'll send a zoom link soon.....
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI dont understand. I thought we had a war chest. I thought we had a heap of players coming to end of their contracts (at least 8 or 10) at years end. We have 3 known recruits (JAC, Burton and Naden) who will all be in the top 30. By my count, we would need to either resign existing players to fulfill the top 30 commitments, recruit new guys or promote from lower grades. I can understand the top 30 but I would be livid if our current squad is even at 75% of the 9Million cap. If its beyond that I want a complete overhaul of the board. NOW. Don’t do your sums based on who we have off contract, do them based on who we have on contract. For ‘22 we have in the outside backs contracted on NRL money, Allen, JAC, Cotric, Naden, so there’s four of five spots with NRL money spent on them. Complimenting them we have Sloop and Alomoti, one of if not both we’d be hoping becomes a permanent NRL player and as such will have to be upgraded come the end of ‘22. Ockunbar whom I’m expecting we’ll keep, and there’s Avo who might be tried at FB, if not we’re also over flowing in the halves. Burton is on a two year deal with an option in his favour, so I would guess and I bet I’m right he’s open to offers come Nov ‘22 and seeing as we’re obviously under- paying him before he even walks in the door, we got to have room to upgrade him, probably by near double, for ‘23 and might even have to upgrade him as soon as he walks in the door for goodwill. Remember we’re getting him for… $400k I think, somebody’s gonna be offering him $800k plus for ‘24 ( in Nov ‘22) so we gotta be ready for that. And remember Nicks Hynes comes at 3 years (and that’s important, considering who we have to upgrade, (Burton, one or both of Sloop and Alomoti) at $600k p.a to enter the bidding. Do your sums man, The Board’s done theirs. Dude..... i HAVE done my sums and unless you're telling me we have 4 players on over 1M dollars, i cannot for the life of me and my dead grandmother figure out where the fekk our SC money is being spent?????? Can you? Like i have said many many times before.... prior to the downgrade in SC last year, it was i think around 9M for 30 players with min wage of 100k That's an average of 300k for every fekking top 30 player. If we assume at least 5 of them are on the 100k mark, 5 are on the 200k mark, thats 10 players on no more than 1.5M cap. If you then consider another 8 or so players on 250k and lets say another 8 are on the average of 300k - that's another 4.4M. This leaves 4 players to share 3.1M with an average of 775k. Now...... who the hell are we paying that kind of $$$ to? Which 4 players you reckon? I can tell you who i think is on the highest....... Jacko, Hoppa, JAC and Cotric. The question is...... would you pay ANY of them that much? I would pay it to JAC as we had to pay premium for him. I can understand we might have to pay it to Burton as an upgrade but we can give him that upgrade in 2023 after we release Stimson. Its not rocket science man. Its simple math. The only time it becomes ridiculous is when you consider stupid re-signings have taken place on players who dont deserve that kind of money. in addition to Jacko, Hoppa and Cotric, as named by your good self, Thommo, ,Napa, Elliot to start with would all be on more than 300... then there is DWZ... Allen, Hethers, and Flanno maybe around that 300K... Youve easily underestimate the value of mid range players... Hopefully Hoppa and Napa are not here next year, but Burton, Naden and JAC will not come cheap. My expectation 2-3 more NRL quality recruits, a hooker, a prop, and maybe a utilty that can play a bit of fullback. Naden is serving a drug ban, is a fringe first grader in most top teams and would be on no more than about 300k. Zef is reporting we got Burton on the cheap (around 400k) and JAC is listed on zero tackle as being on 550k. Cotric on 650k. I can only assume we payed massive money to some of our players just to get to the minimum 95% cap buffer...... now its biting us in the arse... Naden is playing this week... Zero tackle Zero scmackle... Front loading certain players on decent coin may work in our favour if we get a few juniors coming through... it’s gotta be spent anyway... And what you and a bunch of other people with the memory of a goldfish seem to forget is that up until and including this year we were hamstrung cap wise and seen as a place no decent player wanted to go... I love hearing the "no player wants come to our club unless we pay overs" and yet when the price becomes overs, we pull out of the race. End result = we get no one.
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So Broncos release Lodge and will pay 1M of his contract for next 2.5 years to Warriors.
They did this to free up money for Capewell.
I reckon we need to do the same with Flanagan. It's clear to me he is behind Burton, Averillo, Wakeham and even Lewis. He is probably the highest paid of all those.
Club should farm him around and pay up to half his contract out. Use the money for hooker or forward
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+x+x+xKurt Capewell signs with Broncos. Ikin was asked on NRL360 who he would chase first when he starts at the Broncos and he didn't hide naming Capewell as his first target. Must have been talks before Ikin came on board but he certainly made sure the i's and t's were sorted quick smart. Capewell's manager must have thought it was Christmas when he heard Ikin talking him up on TV Unlike us who have a chronic problem scoring points due to the way we play, the Broncos have s problem defending them with the way they play. They have signed A Reynolds and now Capewell. If they sign a Finucane, they are on their way to fixing their problem. My feeling is that the Broncos will become contenders much faster than us even though their SC was handicapped worse than ours in last couple of years. We need to be more astute with our recruitment and retention. Theres not much in development. Not for a good 5 years They’re going nowhere with that coach and Board... Bennett would have had that squad competing for top 4 the last two years... Broncos handicapped with SC?!?!??! Bwahahahahaha yeah, handicapped like a rooster.... We just signed the worlds best winger, the next superstar in the halves, an origin winger, a test prop, couple of handy first graders (which every club needs), we have a whole bunch of blokes that won’t be re-signed... The likes of Schoupp, Armadilllo, Topine, look promising.....
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+xA shout out to Villi!!! I hope you’re enjoying your 50th birthday mate... So Villi is Elon Musk? Come on Villi/Elon you know you want to be the jersey sponsor.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI dont understand. I thought we had a war chest. I thought we had a heap of players coming to end of their contracts (at least 8 or 10) at years end. We have 3 known recruits (JAC, Burton and Naden) who will all be in the top 30. By my count, we would need to either resign existing players to fulfill the top 30 commitments, recruit new guys or promote from lower grades. I can understand the top 30 but I would be livid if our current squad is even at 75% of the 9Million cap. If its beyond that I want a complete overhaul of the board. NOW. Don’t do your sums based on who we have off contract, do them based on who we have on contract. For ‘22 we have in the outside backs contracted on NRL money, Allen, JAC, Cotric, Naden, so there’s four of five spots with NRL money spent on them. Complimenting them we have Sloop and Alomoti, one of if not both we’d be hoping becomes a permanent NRL player and as such will have to be upgraded come the end of ‘22. Ockunbar whom I’m expecting we’ll keep, and there’s Avo who might be tried at FB, if not we’re also over flowing in the halves. Burton is on a two year deal with an option in his favour, so I would guess and I bet I’m right he’s open to offers come Nov ‘22 and seeing as we’re obviously under- paying him before he even walks in the door, we got to have room to upgrade him, probably by near double, for ‘23 and might even have to upgrade him as soon as he walks in the door for goodwill. Remember we’re getting him for… $400k I think, somebody’s gonna be offering him $800k plus for ‘24 ( in Nov ‘22) so we gotta be ready for that. And remember Nicks Hynes comes at 3 years (and that’s important, considering who we have to upgrade, (Burton, one or both of Sloop and Alomoti) at $600k p.a to enter the bidding. Do your sums man, The Board’s done theirs. Dude..... i HAVE done my sums and unless you're telling me we have 4 players on over 1M dollars, i cannot for the life of me and my dead grandmother figure out where the fekk our SC money is being spent?????? Can you? Like i have said many many times before.... prior to the downgrade in SC last year, it was i think around 9M for 30 players with min wage of 100k That's an average of 300k for every fekking top 30 player. If we assume at least 5 of them are on the 100k mark, 5 are on the 200k mark, thats 10 players on no more than 1.5M cap. If you then consider another 8 or so players on 250k and lets say another 8 are on the average of 300k - that's another 4.4M. This leaves 4 players to share 3.1M with an average of 775k. Now...... who the hell are we paying that kind of $$$ to? Which 4 players you reckon? I can tell you who i think is on the highest....... Jacko, Hoppa, JAC and Cotric. The question is...... would you pay ANY of them that much? I would pay it to JAC as we had to pay premium for him. I can understand we might have to pay it to Burton as an upgrade but we can give him that upgrade in 2023 after we release Stimson. Its not rocket science man. Its simple math. The only time it becomes ridiculous is when you consider stupid re-signings have taken place on players who dont deserve that kind of money. Can i just add that i reckon we would be one of the clubs with a more "normalised" distribution of SC, meaning we probably spread the vast majority of it on bulk of top 30 players, meanwhile most other clubs spend probably 80% on it on their top 17 players and only 20% on the remaining 13..... We need to change this. We spend too much on reserve graders because they are in and out of the first grade team because the first graders arent much better than the reserve graders. We have been unwinding previous front loaded deals, so we are running on a significantly reduced real cap. Some of our signings particularly in the Pay era were from the bargin bin. But we also paid overs for DWZ. Next season we are closer to a full cap than we have been for 2-3 seasons. I would expect a corresponding lift in the quality of our squad. Players like Britt and Stimson may be replaced with better options. But what this also means is some of the cleanout doesn't free up as much as we imagine. Our squad should start to look similar to the other squads. You must mean backloading. If we had front loaded them, our players would be on 100k each! Yeah backloaded and play for other clubs. With Flanno we need to find a club that wants him. Mid--season after a few injuries is the best chance.
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+xSo Broncos release Lodge and will pay 1M of his contract for next 2.5 years to Warriors. They did this to free up money for Capewell. I reckon we need to do the same with Flanagan. It's clear to me he is behind Burton, Averillo, Wakeham and even Lewis. He is probably the highest paid of all those. Club should farm him around and pay up to half his contract out. Use the money for hooker or forward FMD... so now you’re a Broncos supporter in addition to roosters, saints, Parra and Melbourne???...
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dman2018
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI dont understand. I thought we had a war chest. I thought we had a heap of players coming to end of their contracts (at least 8 or 10) at years end. We have 3 known recruits (JAC, Burton and Naden) who will all be in the top 30. By my count, we would need to either resign existing players to fulfill the top 30 commitments, recruit new guys or promote from lower grades. I can understand the top 30 but I would be livid if our current squad is even at 75% of the 9Million cap. If its beyond that I want a complete overhaul of the board. NOW. Don’t do your sums based on who we have off contract, do them based on who we have on contract. For ‘22 we have in the outside backs contracted on NRL money, Allen, JAC, Cotric, Naden, so there’s four of five spots with NRL money spent on them. Complimenting them we have Sloop and Alomoti, one of if not both we’d be hoping becomes a permanent NRL player and as such will have to be upgraded come the end of ‘22. Ockunbar whom I’m expecting we’ll keep, and there’s Avo who might be tried at FB, if not we’re also over flowing in the halves. Burton is on a two year deal with an option in his favour, so I would guess and I bet I’m right he’s open to offers come Nov ‘22 and seeing as we’re obviously under- paying him before he even walks in the door, we got to have room to upgrade him, probably by near double, for ‘23 and might even have to upgrade him as soon as he walks in the door for goodwill. Remember we’re getting him for… $400k I think, somebody’s gonna be offering him $800k plus for ‘24 ( in Nov ‘22) so we gotta be ready for that. And remember Nicks Hynes comes at 3 years (and that’s important, considering who we have to upgrade, (Burton, one or both of Sloop and Alomoti) at $600k p.a to enter the bidding. Do your sums man, The Board’s done theirs. Dude..... i HAVE done my sums and unless you're telling me we have 4 players on over 1M dollars, i cannot for the life of me and my dead grandmother figure out where the fekk our SC money is being spent?????? Can you? Like i have said many many times before.... prior to the downgrade in SC last year, it was i think around 9M for 30 players with min wage of 100k That's an average of 300k for every fekking top 30 player. If we assume at least 5 of them are on the 100k mark, 5 are on the 200k mark, thats 10 players on no more than 1.5M cap. If you then consider another 8 or so players on 250k and lets say another 8 are on the average of 300k - that's another 4.4M. This leaves 4 players to share 3.1M with an average of 775k. Now...... who the hell are we paying that kind of $$$ to? Which 4 players you reckon? I can tell you who i think is on the highest....... Jacko, Hoppa, JAC and Cotric. The question is...... would you pay ANY of them that much? I would pay it to JAC as we had to pay premium for him. I can understand we might have to pay it to Burton as an upgrade but we can give him that upgrade in 2023 after we release Stimson. Its not rocket science man. Its simple math. The only time it becomes ridiculous is when you consider stupid re-signings have taken place on players who dont deserve that kind of money. Can i just add that i reckon we would be one of the clubs with a more "normalised" distribution of SC, meaning we probably spread the vast majority of it on bulk of top 30 players, meanwhile most other clubs spend probably 80% on it on their top 17 players and only 20% on the remaining 13..... We need to change this. We spend too much on reserve graders because they are in and out of the first grade team because the first graders arent much better than the reserve graders. We have been unwinding previous front loaded deals, so we are running on a significantly reduced real cap. Some of our signings particularly in the Pay era were from the bargin bin. But we also paid overs for DWZ. Next season we are closer to a full cap than we have been for 2-3 seasons. I would expect a corresponding lift in the quality of our squad. Players like Britt and Stimson may be replaced with better options. But what this also means is some of the cleanout doesn't free up as much as we imagine. Our squad should start to look similar to the other squads. You must mean backloading. If we had front loaded them, our players would be on 100k each! Yeah backloaded and play for other clubs. With Flanno we need to find a club that wants him. Mid--season after a few injuries is the best chance. No I mean front loading.... We have a bunch of players that don’t deserve big coin... and some that do.... Pay the players not worth big bucks what they’re worth (not overs) then front load a bloke on $600K a year with $700K this year... then he’s only $500K out of the cap next year...
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How can you say that?
How can you possibly think money spent outside the spine is better spent?
Quite easily when it’s already spent. Why not buy Hynes AND then just keep going on FB’s if there’s no money better spent outside the spine. It’s not only the money it’s the roster space, and on outside backs for ‘22, unless there’s further movement we’re full. Even with Hoppa and DWZ and Meaney and you could probably throw a couple more in gone. And do remember also, you would’ve had to bid in excess of $600k for Hynes, not as if it was just money we had down the back of the couch. We don’t have the money, or the space. It’s that simple. I dont understand. I thought we had a war chest. I thought we had a heap of players coming to end of their contracts (at least 8 or 10) at years end. We have 3 known recruits (JAC, Burton and Naden) who will all be in the top 30. By my count, we would need to either resign existing players to fulfill the top 30 commitments, recruit new guys or promote from lower grades. I can understand the top 30 but I would be livid if our current squad is even at 75% of the 9Million cap. If its beyond that I want a complete overhaul of the board. NOW. I can agree with this. This was supposed to be the big year and we just don’t have the players. That may change fit next year but currently even with Burton snd JAC we are unlikely to make the top 12.
If we don’t sign some talent in our spine and our front row the board has failed again.
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dman2018
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How can you say that?
How can you possibly think money spent outside the spine is better spent?
Quite easily when it’s already spent. Why not buy Hynes AND then just keep going on FB’s if there’s no money better spent outside the spine. It’s not only the money it’s the roster space, and on outside backs for ‘22, unless there’s further movement we’re full. Even with Hoppa and DWZ and Meaney and you could probably throw a couple more in gone. And do remember also, you would’ve had to bid in excess of $600k for Hynes, not as if it was just money we had down the back of the couch. We don’t have the money, or the space. It’s that simple. I dont understand. I thought we had a war chest. I thought we had a heap of players coming to end of their contracts (at least 8 or 10) at years end. We have 3 known recruits (JAC, Burton and Naden) who will all be in the top 30. By my count, we would need to either resign existing players to fulfill the top 30 commitments, recruit new guys or promote from lower grades. I can understand the top 30 but I would be livid if our current squad is even at 75% of the 9Million cap. If its beyond that I want a complete overhaul of the board. NOW. I can agree with this. This was supposed to be the big year and we just don’t have the players. That may change fit next year but currently even with Burton snd JAC we are unlikely to make the top 12.
If we don’t sign some talent in our spine and our front row the board has failed again. No it wasn’t supposed to be the big year!!!.... no one said that... this year was the most first year we could take a dip after what your mates did to us... This years recruits a decent start... Next years recruitment is looking solid so far with most likely one or two more to come... The other thing several on here like to forget is in most instances it impossible to buy shit hot on contract players... and then the off contract players need to want to come here.. Remember before last year we had the big sell of expected spooners and a coach employed by a bloke trying to save his skin....
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+x+xSo Broncos release Lodge and will pay 1M of his contract for next 2.5 years to Warriors. They did this to free up money for Capewell. I reckon we need to do the same with Flanagan. It's clear to me he is behind Burton, Averillo, Wakeham and even Lewis. He is probably the highest paid of all those. Club should farm him around and pay up to half his contract out. Use the money for hooker or forward FMD... so now you’re a Broncos supporter in addition to roosters, saints, Parra and Melbourne???... There is one club the doc doesn't like.
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Marki
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Fekk me.
Did you see what Nicho Hynes just did?
Kick return and goes all the way.
Rubbished Tedesco on the way.
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