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Tbone - 31 Jul 2018 9:31 PM
So can somebody tell me if Victory can sign another marquee player or is triosi and Honda it???Does anyone actually know the rules and what triosi is on??

Like other said above, you cant have a 'guest' marquee if you havnt filled your other two spots.

Also, only TWG has posted the news, so a misunderstanding wont be a surprise. Then again the FFA make up rules as they go so who knows

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It’ll be pretty big when he plays in Asian champions league
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Tbone - 31 Jul 2018 9:31 PM
So can somebody tell me if Victory can sign another marquee player or is triosi and Honda it???Does anyone actually know the rules and what triosi is on??

You can have 2 marquees, none of FFAs business who

If you want another they have to be Marketable

FFA decide if thats the case.  Also how much they'll chuck in.


Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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PricklePear - 31 Jul 2018 9:35 PM
Tbone - 31 Jul 2018 9:31 PM

Like other said above, you cant have a 'guest' marquee if you havnt filled your other two spots.

Also, only TWG has posted the news, so a misunderstanding wont be a surprise. Then again the FFA make up rules as they go so who knows

No

You can have a guest Marquee and no others

Guest Marquees just have to be FFA approved


Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Buggalugs 2.0 - 31 Jul 2018 10:14 PM
Tbone - 31 Jul 2018 9:31 PM

You can have 2 marquees, none of FFAs business who

If you want another they have to be Marketable

FFA decide if thats the case.  Also how much they'll chuck in.

If the FFA/Fox has chucked in $1.5mil then he is the Timmy Marquee, I don't see why MVFC can't still sign a second, "normal" marquee.


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Eldar - 31 Jul 2018 10:18 PM
Buggalugs 2.0 - 31 Jul 2018 10:14 PM

If the FFA/Fox has chucked in $1.5mil then he is the Timmy Marquee, I don't see why MVFC can't still sign a second, "normal" marquee.

Correct


Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Buggalugs 2.0 - 31 Jul 2018 10:22 PM
Eldar - 31 Jul 2018 10:18 PM

Correct

The only caveat I would say is that the original Timmy rule was reported as only being approved by the Franchises for that one season.

Since then I have seen no new approval for this season,but I also do not know if FFA need to get it. Last Season the $3m was given to the Franchises instead of a TV deal boost, despite them rejecting the idea.


Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Isn't the Guest still limited to a certain number of matches?

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A Guest Player can play a maximum of 14 games in the A-League.
The Guest Player sits outside the normal squad is exempt from visa requirements.

It is not a season long position
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SWandP - 31 Jul 2018 10:44 PM
Isn't the Guest still limited to a certain number of matches?

Cahill wasn't?

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They changed to rules for Cahill and didn’t we Decisions going Heartle$$’s way.
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Paul01 - 31 Jul 2018 10:49 PM
A Guest Player can play a maximum of 14 games in the A-League. The Guest Player sits outside the normal squad is exempt from visa requirements.It is not a season long position

Hope you're wrong - a guest player would have much less impact. 

It's hard to see Victory/the FFA paying $3 million for a 14 game blow-in. 
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Farks sake ... they changed the rules on guest players two years ago.

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Taken from the A-League website as it stands

Players can receive payments from Clubs outside the Salary Cap in certain circumstances as approved by FFA. These ‘exemptions’ or ‘allowances’ incentivise Clubs to spend in specific strategic areas such as attracting marketable world class players to the Hyundai A-League (Designated or Guest Players), retaining long-serving Players on multi-year contracts (Loyalty Players), encouraging the development of young Australian Players (Homegrown Players) or identifying late-developing Players that may have missed the traditional player pathway (Mature Age Rookie).

The following discretionary payments are outside the Salary Cap:
Designated Players – A Club can spend an unlimited amount on two Players (Foreign or Australian) it nominates as Designated Players;
Guest Player – A Club can spend an unlimited amount on one Guest Player who must satisfy the prescribed marketability criteria as approved by FFA. A Guest Player is restricted to a maximum of 14 Hyundai A-League matches;

Looks like they got rid of the word Marquee
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good work!
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Paul01 - 1 Aug 2018 12:03 AM
Taken from the A-League website as it standsPlayers can receive payments from Clubs outside the Salary Cap in certain circumstances as approved by FFA. These ‘exemptions’ or ‘allowances’ incentivise Clubs to spend in specific strategic areas such as attracting marketable world class players to the Hyundai A-League (Designated or Guest Players), retaining long-serving Players on multi-year contracts (Loyalty Players), encouraging the development of young Australian Players (Homegrown Players) or identifying late-developing Players that may have missed the traditional player pathway (Mature Age Rookie).The following discretionary payments are outside the Salary Cap:Designated Players – A Club can spend an unlimited amount on two Players (Foreign or Australian) it nominates as Designated Players;Guest Player – A Club can spend an unlimited amount on one Guest Player who must satisfy the prescribed marketability criteria as approved by FFA. A Guest Player is restricted to a maximum of 14 Hyundai A-League matches;Looks like they got rid of the word Marquee

Hasn't been used much lately hey ? 

Good.


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OTOH did Cahill even play 14 matches in a year?

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Great signing.  Look forward to watching him play.

I'm a little dissapointed with the lack of FFA bashing in this thread.  Not a single conspiracy or complaint about favouritism
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SWandP - 1 Aug 2018 7:34 AM
OTOH did Cahill even play 14 matches in a year?

He played 22 games in his guest year.

The rules were all messed up that year. I suspect because FFA wanted Timmy, City were the only club willing to pay for him, and then only on the condition that a) they got the shirt they want, and b) he didn't count in the cap.

I would not be at all surprised if Honda now has to take up one of the marquee spots.
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aok - 1 Aug 2018 8:13 AM
Great signing.  Look forward to watching him play.

I'm a little dissapointed with the lack of FFA bashing in this thread.  Not a single conspiracy or complaint about favouritism

Watch Melbourne VARctory get every decision now. 

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tomw - 1 Aug 2018 8:15 AM
SWandP - 1 Aug 2018 7:34 AM

He played 22 games in his guest year.

The rules were all messed up that year. I suspect because FFA wanted Timmy, City were the only club willing to pay for him, and then only on the condition that a) they got the shirt they want, and b) he didn't count in the cap.

I would not be at all surprised if Honda now has to take up one of the marquee spots.

Didn't FFA pay for Timmy?...

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paulbagzFC - 1 Aug 2018 8:22 AM
tomw - 1 Aug 2018 8:15 AM

Didn't FFA pay for Timmy?...

-PB

Foxtel pays for everything really :)
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paulbagzFC - 1 Aug 2018 8:22 AM
tomw - 1 Aug 2018 8:15 AM

Didn't FFA pay for Timmy?...

-PB

FFA paid  $500-$750k for doing  FFA/HAL promotional work as a separate contract from Timmys CFG contract

CFG paid $Xm for the player, the Media coverage and the Sky Blue Branding

Timmys contract with CFG was 3 years, Front loaded and then partially refunded when he bailed early.




Assuming Dave Lewis isn't talking out of his arse, FFA are just about to pay double or triple for a Japanese dude that'll do very little for the League 




Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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tomw - 1 Aug 2018 8:15 AM
SWandP - 1 Aug 2018 7:34 AM

He played 22 games in his guest year.

The rules were all messed up that year. I suspect because FFA wanted Timmy, City were the only club willing to pay for him, and then only on the condition that a) they got the shirt they want, and b) he didn't count in the cap.

I would not be at all surprised if Honda now has to take up one of the marquee spots.

That would mean clubs who already have 2 Marquees would be barred from accessing the FOX funds

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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L'Equipe in France reporting a done deal.

https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Libre-keisuke-honda-file-au-melbourne-victory-australie/927112

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Buggalugs 2.0 - 1 Aug 2018 10:01 AM
paulbagzFC - 1 Aug 2018 8:22 AM

FFA paid  $500-$750k for doing  FFA/HAL promotional work as a separate contract from Timmys CFG contract

CFG paid $Xm for the player, the Media coverage and the Sky Blue Branding

Timmys contract with CFG was 3 years, Front loaded and then partially refunded when he bailed early.




Assuming Dave Lewis isn't talking out of his arse, FFA are just about to pay double or triple for a Japanese dude that'll do very little for the League 



Paying double for a player that actually played for a big club only a year ago. Cahill was a old journeyman (and never played for a big club, only  an average club) from china by the time he came and sucked everyone he could dry.
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Buggalugs 2.0 - 1 Aug 2018 10:06 AM
tomw - 1 Aug 2018 8:15 AM

That would mean clubs who already have 2 Marquees would be barred from accessing the FOX funds

It also means that some clubs will get one of the marquees partially funded if the FFA/Fox deems it marketable enough, as opposed to having funding for a specific marketing/guest player.


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This Dave Lewis guy has zero credibility. He seems like a forum troll who, no better than the likes of the 'Secret Agent' or other such guess artists. No-one who's usually in the know has reported anything, so I'd highly doubt this muppet knows anything
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Buggalugs 2.0 - 1 Aug 2018 10:01 AM
FFA are just about to pay double or triple for a Japanese dude that'll do very little for the League 

A 32 year old who was wearing number 10 for AC Milan the season before last, has multiple European trophies and last season played 36 games including the Club World Cup costs more than a 36 year old who hadn't played in Europe for four years, never won any silverwear there and the previous season played 17 games in China? Tell me more.
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paladisious - 1 Aug 2018 10:47 AM
Buggalugs 2.0 - 1 Aug 2018 10:01 AM

A 32 year old who was wearing number 10 for AC Milan the season before last, has multiple European trophies and last season played 36 games including the Club World Cup costs more than a 36 year old who hadn't played in Europe for four years, never won any silverwear there and the previous season played 17 games in China? Tell me more.

Cool, you found his CV, but you already attend the HAL.

I don't need to tell you more - The Metrics spotters on here will tell you all as the Season progresses

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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