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Players im watching to be a chance to break through before u24 in the 2000-2003 generation
Teague (2002), valadon (2003) tilio (2002) alagich (2003), peupion (02) watts (02), Simmons (03), Paull (03), Corey Holman (03), Dukuly (03), Drew (03), Grimaldi (03), Jelacic (02), Muir (02), Steele (02), Reec (03), Natta (02), any others?
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So I looked at players who managed at least one 25+ game season (counting all comps) at at least the second tier level by the time they were u24. Regardless of birth month a u24 is someone born in 2001. Cahill (1979) for example is taken to be u24 in 2003 despite being bon in december. This of course squashes a lot of nuance - players might miss games due to injury, 25 sub appearances for a relegation candidate in the spl is in the same category as a player that plays every game for a promoted team in seri b. Having said that, the list is like a who's who of socceroos. I'm skeptical I got all the players born 76-87, so any suggestions please shoot them off
2000-2003 current list (9): Circati, Volpato, Yazbek, Bos, Neiwenhof, Gwargis, Silvera, Miller, Italiano,
Players playing when fit: Triantis, Robertson, Toure, Darrigo Players I expect to get 25 games this season: Farrell+Rodriguez probably 14-15 by the end of the season in total, I would expect another 5-7 players to join them before the end of the 26/27 season. 1999-96 (7) Karacic, Souttar, Mcgree, Genreau, Metcalf, Hrustic, Devlin 95-92 (7) Mabil, irvine, luongo, ryan, rogic, degenek, amini 91-88 (10) leckie, oar, Giannou, Wright, Mcgowan, Davidson, Rhys Williams, Troisi, Holland, Lowry 87-84 (4+) Holman, Kilkenny, Djite, valeri 83-80 (5+) Kennedy, mcdonald, culina, kisnorbo, bresciano 79-76 (10+) Max Vieri, Cahill, grella, Thompson, Sterjovski, Emerton, aloisi, kewell, Neill, Moore,Simunic Very few notable players not making this list: kruse, mooy, jedi, chipperfield, wilkshire
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+xI'm curious how our depth differs? Gut feel is it's better. Thats a question i can probably answer in the next day or two. The number of players born between 00 and 03 who have gotten substantial game time is huge compared to any time in the a league era
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I'm curious how our depth differs? Gut feel is it's better.
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+x+x+x+xTime to update this... here goes Ryan 1657
Karacic 1425 Wright 1490 Souttar 1481 Elder 1461
Mooy 1635, Genreau 1570
Volpato 1749 Rogic 1565 McGree 1564
Ruka 1618
Others..
Hrustic 1559
Kalik 1538
Mabil 1524
Irvine & Metcalfe 1488
Holland 1443
Circati 1431
Dougall 1435
King 1429
Gersbach 1413
D Juric 1383
Rowles, Devlin, Atkinson, Kuol 1316
Boyle and Jeggo 1286
Bacchus 1281
Behich 1268
So looking off that it's probably time we at least had a look at Elder and Kalik bringing them into the squad. Both 1st team regulars at very highly rated clubs. And Rukavytsa should have been given far more opportunities the last few years given the level he's been playing at and scoring goals in... ship probably sailed now though.
If Souttar goes to Leicester (1745) Wolves (1698) or Everton (1675), or Bacchus goes to AEK(1467), Rangers (1635), Norwich (1558), a rumoured.
Time to update this again.. Ryan 1788 Circati 1585 Souttar 1525 Burgess 1565 Metcalfe 1588 Irvine 1588 Genreau 1643 Bos 1465 Hrustic 1539 Irankunda 1905 Volpato 1590 Av = 1616 Av last time = 1565 Others.. Luongo 1565 Gauci 1772 D'Agostino 1428 Mcgree 1524 Yengi, Silvera, Farrell 1398 Robertson 1392 Elder 1383 J Iredale 1340 Oneill 1448 Balard 1321 Toure and Izzo 1428 Mabil 1344 Devlin, Atkinson, N'Hoff and Rowles 1391 Miller, Boyle, Triantis, Jack Iredale 1302 Kailk 1434 Strain 1219 D'Arrigo 1261 Nisbit 1219 Karacic 1328 Surprises were how high Deni Genreau's team is along with daggers at Viking, and the boys at Randers. Was surpised also at how low the bottom championship teams are ranked - they are basically on par with Hearts and below the boys at Randers. As the last time i did this Kalik's team is strong which again suggests he is very unlikely not to get picked given he is a first team regular. Surprised that Oneill's Standard Liege werent higher - the Belgium league is enjoying there best rating in many years, above the Eredivisie atm. Standard must have done poorly in the league the past few years. As we suspected Nisbit's Ross county is very low - mid league 1 level. Looks like Hrustic has gone to one of the best teams in Serie B. Overall the average of our players has gone up a lot, mostly through Ipswich and St Pauli being promoted Interesting, should insist on starters tho. I guess we want to jump by 150 over the next decade I can actually go back and work out what the ratings were for the golden gen. That would be very interesting to see how it compares with current squad. Another thing i noticed doing these was that even though we have a few more guys playing in the top division now, there clubs are very poorly rated. Arguably playing for say a Leeds is a higher standard than playing for say an Ipswich. I know that sounds a bit counterintuitive given Ipswich is the prem and Leeds are Champ but Leeds are ranked a fair bit higher Yeah there is often a delay before the ratings go up or down. End of the season will be intetesting if our 3 regulars go up Would love to see how the elo of regular starters has evolved over the years. Im guessing 2014 was where we bottomed out
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+x+x+xTime to update this... here goes Ryan 1657
Karacic 1425 Wright 1490 Souttar 1481 Elder 1461
Mooy 1635, Genreau 1570
Volpato 1749 Rogic 1565 McGree 1564
Ruka 1618
Others..
Hrustic 1559
Kalik 1538
Mabil 1524
Irvine & Metcalfe 1488
Holland 1443
Circati 1431
Dougall 1435
King 1429
Gersbach 1413
D Juric 1383
Rowles, Devlin, Atkinson, Kuol 1316
Boyle and Jeggo 1286
Bacchus 1281
Behich 1268
So looking off that it's probably time we at least had a look at Elder and Kalik bringing them into the squad. Both 1st team regulars at very highly rated clubs. And Rukavytsa should have been given far more opportunities the last few years given the level he's been playing at and scoring goals in... ship probably sailed now though.
If Souttar goes to Leicester (1745) Wolves (1698) or Everton (1675), or Bacchus goes to AEK(1467), Rangers (1635), Norwich (1558), a rumoured.
Time to update this again.. Ryan 1788 Circati 1585 Souttar 1525 Burgess 1565 Metcalfe 1588 Irvine 1588 Genreau 1643 Bos 1465 Hrustic 1539 Irankunda 1905 Volpato 1590 Av = 1616 Av last time = 1565 Others.. Luongo 1565 Gauci 1772 D'Agostino 1428 Mcgree 1524 Yengi, Silvera, Farrell 1398 Robertson 1392 Elder 1383 J Iredale 1340 Oneill 1448 Balard 1321 Toure and Izzo 1428 Mabil 1344 Devlin, Atkinson, N'Hoff and Rowles 1391 Miller, Boyle, Triantis, Jack Iredale 1302 Kailk 1434 Strain 1219 D'Arrigo 1261 Nisbit 1219 Karacic 1328 Surprises were how high Deni Genreau's team is along with daggers at Viking, and the boys at Randers. Was surpised also at how low the bottom championship teams are ranked - they are basically on par with Hearts and below the boys at Randers. As the last time i did this Kalik's team is strong which again suggests he is very unlikely not to get picked given he is a first team regular. Surprised that Oneill's Standard Liege werent higher - the Belgium league is enjoying there best rating in many years, above the Eredivisie atm. Standard must have done poorly in the league the past few years. As we suspected Nisbit's Ross county is very low - mid league 1 level. Looks like Hrustic has gone to one of the best teams in Serie B. Overall the average of our players has gone up a lot, mostly through Ipswich and St Pauli being promoted Interesting, should insist on starters tho. I guess we want to jump by 150 over the next decade I can actually go back and work out what the ratings were for the golden gen. That would be very interesting to see how it compares with current squad. Another thing i noticed doing these was that even though we have a few more guys playing in the top division now, there clubs are very poorly rated. Arguably playing for say a Leeds is a higher standard than playing for say an Ipswich. I know that sounds a bit counterintuitive given Ipswich is the prem and Leeds are Champ but Leeds are ranked a fair bit higher
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Including only regulars for club in jan 23 with hrustic out of position
Ryan 1657
Karacic 1425 Wright 1490 Souttar? 1481 Elder 1461
Mooy 1635, irvine 1488
mabil 1524 metcalf 1488 McGree 1564
hrustic 1559
average=1524
today with a frankenformation
--------------------izzo 1428-------------
Souttar 1525---stesness 1428--Circati 1585--Bos 1465
----------------Irvine 1588 O'Niell 1448----
-Mcgree 1524--------------------------------Hrustic-1539
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Total: 1504.18 mostly due to ryan falling down, mooy retiring and burgess losing his place
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+x+xTime to update this... here goes Ryan 1657
Karacic 1425 Wright 1490 Souttar 1481 Elder 1461
Mooy 1635, Genreau 1570
Volpato 1749 Rogic 1565 McGree 1564
Ruka 1618
Others..
Hrustic 1559
Kalik 1538
Mabil 1524
Irvine & Metcalfe 1488
Holland 1443
Circati 1431
Dougall 1435
King 1429
Gersbach 1413
D Juric 1383
Rowles, Devlin, Atkinson, Kuol 1316
Boyle and Jeggo 1286
Bacchus 1281
Behich 1268
So looking off that it's probably time we at least had a look at Elder and Kalik bringing them into the squad. Both 1st team regulars at very highly rated clubs. And Rukavytsa should have been given far more opportunities the last few years given the level he's been playing at and scoring goals in... ship probably sailed now though.
If Souttar goes to Leicester (1745) Wolves (1698) or Everton (1675), or Bacchus goes to AEK(1467), Rangers (1635), Norwich (1558), a rumoured.
Time to update this again.. Ryan 1788 Circati 1585 Souttar 1525 Burgess 1565 Metcalfe 1588 Irvine 1588 Genreau 1643 Bos 1465 Hrustic 1539 Irankunda 1905 Volpato 1590 Av = 1616 Av last time = 1565 Others.. Luongo 1565 Gauci 1772 D'Agostino 1428 Mcgree 1524 Yengi, Silvera, Farrell 1398 Robertson 1392 Elder 1383 J Iredale 1340 Oneill 1448 Balard 1321 Toure and Izzo 1428 Mabil 1344 Devlin, Atkinson, N'Hoff and Rowles 1391 Miller, Boyle, Triantis, Jack Iredale 1302 Kailk 1434 Strain 1219 D'Arrigo 1261 Nisbit 1219 Karacic 1328 Surprises were how high Deni Genreau's team is along with daggers at Viking, and the boys at Randers. Was surpised also at how low the bottom championship teams are ranked - they are basically on par with Hearts and below the boys at Randers. As the last time i did this Kalik's team is strong which again suggests he is very unlikely not to get picked given he is a first team regular. Surprised that Oneill's Standard Liege werent higher - the Belgium league is enjoying there best rating in many years, above the Eredivisie atm. Standard must have done poorly in the league the past few years. As we suspected Nisbit's Ross county is very low - mid league 1 level. Looks like Hrustic has gone to one of the best teams in Serie B. Overall the average of our players has gone up a lot, mostly through Ipswich and St Pauli being promoted Interesting, should insist on starters tho. I guess we want to jump by 150 over the next decade
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+xTime to update this... here goes Ryan 1657
Karacic 1425 Wright 1490 Souttar 1481 Elder 1461
Mooy 1635, Genreau 1570
Volpato 1749 Rogic 1565 McGree 1564
Ruka 1618
Others..
Hrustic 1559
Kalik 1538
Mabil 1524
Irvine & Metcalfe 1488
Holland 1443
Circati 1431
Dougall 1435
King 1429
Gersbach 1413
D Juric 1383
Rowles, Devlin, Atkinson, Kuol 1316
Boyle and Jeggo 1286
Bacchus 1281
Behich 1268
So looking off that it's probably time we at least had a look at Elder and Kalik bringing them into the squad. Both 1st team regulars at very highly rated clubs. And Rukavytsa should have been given far more opportunities the last few years given the level he's been playing at and scoring goals in... ship probably sailed now though.
If Souttar goes to Leicester (1745) Wolves (1698) or Everton (1675), or Bacchus goes to AEK(1467), Rangers (1635), Norwich (1558), a rumoured.
Time to update this again.. Ryan 1788 Circati 1585 Souttar 1525 Burgess 1565 Metcalfe 1588 Irvine 1588 Genreau 1643 Bos 1465 Hrustic 1539 Irankunda 1905 Volpato 1590 Av = 1616 Av last time = 1565 Others.. Luongo 1565 Gauci 1772 D'Agostino 1428 Mcgree 1524 Yengi, Silvera, Farrell 1398 Robertson 1392 Elder 1383 J Iredale 1340 Oneill 1448 Balard 1321 Toure and Izzo 1428 Mabil 1344 Devlin, Atkinson, N'Hoff and Rowles 1391 Miller, Boyle, Triantis, Jack Iredale 1302 Kailk 1434 Strain 1219 D'Arrigo 1261 Nisbit 1219 Karacic 1328 Surprises were how high Deni Genreau's team is along with daggers at Viking, and the boys at Randers. Was surpised also at how low the bottom championship teams are ranked - they are basically on par with Hearts and below the boys at Randers. Just like the last time i did this, Kalik's team is strong which again suggests he is very unfortunate not to get picked given he is a first team regular at a club with a high rating. Surprised that Oneill's Standard Liege werent higher - the Belgium league is enjoying there best rating in many years, above the Eredivisie atm. Standard must have done poorly in the league the past few years. As we suspected Nisbit's Ross county is very low - mid league 1 level. Looks like Hrustic has gone to one of the best teams in Serie B. Overall the average of our players has gone up a lot, mostly through Ipswich and St Pauli being promoted
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+x+x+x+x+xTime to update this... here goes Ryan 1657
Karacic 1425 Wright 1490 Souttar 1481 Elder 1461
Mooy 1635, Genreau 1570
Volpato 1749 Rogic 1565 McGree 1564
Ruka 1618
Others..
Hrustic 1559
Kalik 1538
Mabil 1524
Irvine & Metcalfe 1488
Holland 1443
Circati 1431
Dougall 1435
King 1429
Gersbach 1413
D Juric 1383
Rowles, Devlin, Atkinson, Kuol 1316
Boyle and Jeggo 1286
Bacchus 1281
Behich 1268
So looking off that it's probably time we at least had a look at Elder and Kalik bringing them into the squad. Both 1st team regulars at very highly rated clubs. And Rukavytsa should have been given far more opportunities the last few years given the level he's been playing at and scoring goals in... ship probably sailed now though.
If Souttar goes to Leicester (1745) Wolves (1698) or Everton (1675), or Bacchus goes to AEK(1467), Rangers (1635), Norwich (1558), a rumoured.
It just does not work like that - selecting players for national teams based on club rankings. It is interesting to see how they are ranked based on ELO though. Yes obviously! Whilst Deni Genreau made the team, he is a squad rotation player at best whilst someone like a Jackson Irvine, whilst at a lower rated club is the captain and mainstay of his team. But this was just an exercise i started awhile ago to see if there was anyone that we should perhaps be considering that is going under the radar. It's clear from this though that guys like Kalik and Elder are being overlooked. Both are mainstays of their sides when fit and are playing at a very good level relative to our other players. I don't think either of them have even been capped?! Agree - it is an interesting exercise. Last I heard of Kalik he was playing in the Croatian League. Apart from their two big clubs, Hadjuk S and Dynamo Zagreb, the league isn't rated highly. However, given the resounding recent success of the Croatian national team in big tournaments, there must be a lot being done very well in Croatian football. They only have a population of 5 million. Most of the players in the WC played in other UEFA leagues and most, if not all the Croatian domestic players played with the big two Croatian clubs. I can look up where Elder plays his football, but I thought he was an English Lower League player? Kalik starts for Hajduk Split every week hence why his clubs elo rating is high. Elder plays for Hull City in the Championship. So high levels but neither have been capped. Wow! Hadjuk Spilt is a pretty big club with UEFA comp pedigree. If Kalik is starting every week for HS I'm really surprised he hasn't been given a call up? Unless it has changed a lot in the last few years, the Championship is a funny league in terms of being a motley collection of playing styles. It is the 6th richest league in the world behind the big UEFA five.
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+x+x+x+xTime to update this... here goes Ryan 1657
Karacic 1425 Wright 1490 Souttar 1481 Elder 1461
Mooy 1635, Genreau 1570
Volpato 1749 Rogic 1565 McGree 1564
Ruka 1618
Others..
Hrustic 1559
Kalik 1538
Mabil 1524
Irvine & Metcalfe 1488
Holland 1443
Circati 1431
Dougall 1435
King 1429
Gersbach 1413
D Juric 1383
Rowles, Devlin, Atkinson, Kuol 1316
Boyle and Jeggo 1286
Bacchus 1281
Behich 1268
So looking off that it's probably time we at least had a look at Elder and Kalik bringing them into the squad. Both 1st team regulars at very highly rated clubs. And Rukavytsa should have been given far more opportunities the last few years given the level he's been playing at and scoring goals in... ship probably sailed now though.
If Souttar goes to Leicester (1745) Wolves (1698) or Everton (1675), or Bacchus goes to AEK(1467), Rangers (1635), Norwich (1558), a rumoured.
It just does not work like that - selecting players for national teams based on club rankings. It is interesting to see how they are ranked based on ELO though. Yes obviously! Whilst Deni Genreau made the team, he is a squad rotation player at best whilst someone like a Jackson Irvine, whilst at a lower rated club is the captain and mainstay of his team. But this was just an exercise i started awhile ago to see if there was anyone that we should perhaps be considering that is going under the radar. It's clear from this though that guys like Kalik and Elder are being overlooked. Both are mainstays of their sides when fit and are playing at a very good level relative to our other players. I don't think either of them have even been capped?! Agree - it is an interesting exercise. Last I heard of Kalik he was playing in the Croatian League. Apart from their two big clubs, Hadjuk S and Dynamo Zagreb, the league isn't rated highly. However, given the resounding recent success of the Croatian national team in big tournaments, there must be a lot being done very well in Croatian football. They only have a population of 5 million. Most of the players in the WC played in other UEFA leagues and most, if not all the Croatian domestic players played with the big two Croatian clubs. I can look up where Elder plays his football, but I thought he was an English Lower League player? Kalik starts for Hajduk Split every week hence why his clubs elo rating is high. Elder plays for Hull City in the Championship. So high levels but neither have been capped.
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+x+x+xTime to update this... here goes Ryan 1657
Karacic 1425 Wright 1490 Souttar 1481 Elder 1461
Mooy 1635, Genreau 1570
Volpato 1749 Rogic 1565 McGree 1564
Ruka 1618
Others..
Hrustic 1559
Kalik 1538
Mabil 1524
Irvine & Metcalfe 1488
Holland 1443
Circati 1431
Dougall 1435
King 1429
Gersbach 1413
D Juric 1383
Rowles, Devlin, Atkinson, Kuol 1316
Boyle and Jeggo 1286
Bacchus 1281
Behich 1268
So looking off that it's probably time we at least had a look at Elder and Kalik bringing them into the squad. Both 1st team regulars at very highly rated clubs. And Rukavytsa should have been given far more opportunities the last few years given the level he's been playing at and scoring goals in... ship probably sailed now though.
If Souttar goes to Leicester (1745) Wolves (1698) or Everton (1675), or Bacchus goes to AEK(1467), Rangers (1635), Norwich (1558), a rumoured.
It just does not work like that - selecting players for national teams based on club rankings. It is interesting to see how they are ranked based on ELO though. Yes obviously! Whilst Deni Genreau made the team, he is a squad rotation player at best whilst someone like a Jackson Irvine, whilst at a lower rated club is the captain and mainstay of his team. But this was just an exercise i started awhile ago to see if there was anyone that we should perhaps be considering that is going under the radar. It's clear from this though that guys like Kalik and Elder are being overlooked. Both are mainstays of their sides when fit and are playing at a very good level relative to our other players. I don't think either of them have even been capped?! Agree - it is an interesting exercise. Last I heard of Kalik he was playing in the Croatian League. Apart from their two big clubs, Hadjuk S and Dynamo Zagreb, the league isn't rated highly. However, given the resounding recent success of the Croatian national team in big tournaments, there must be a lot being done very well in Croatian football. They only have a population of 5 million. Most of the players in the WC played in other UEFA leagues and most, if not all the Croatian domestic players played with the big two Croatian clubs. I can look up where Elder plays his football, but I thought he was an English Lower League player?
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+x+xTime to update this... here goes Ryan 1657
Karacic 1425 Wright 1490 Souttar 1481 Elder 1461
Mooy 1635, Genreau 1570
Volpato 1749 Rogic 1565 McGree 1564
Ruka 1618
Others..
Hrustic 1559
Kalik 1538
Mabil 1524
Irvine & Metcalfe 1488
Holland 1443
Circati 1431
Dougall 1435
King 1429
Gersbach 1413
D Juric 1383
Rowles, Devlin, Atkinson, Kuol 1316
Boyle and Jeggo 1286
Bacchus 1281
Behich 1268
So looking off that it's probably time we at least had a look at Elder and Kalik bringing them into the squad. Both 1st team regulars at very highly rated clubs. And Rukavytsa should have been given far more opportunities the last few years given the level he's been playing at and scoring goals in... ship probably sailed now though.
If Souttar goes to Leicester (1745) Wolves (1698) or Everton (1675), or Bacchus goes to AEK(1467), Rangers (1635), Norwich (1558), a rumoured.
It just does not work like that - selecting players for national teams based on club rankings. It is interesting to see how they are ranked based on ELO though. Yes obviously! Whilst Deni Genreau made the team, he is a squad rotation player at best whilst someone like a Jackson Irvine, whilst at a lower rated club is the captain and mainstay of his team. But this was just an exercise i started awhile ago to see if there was anyone that we should perhaps be considering that is going under the radar. It's clear from this though that guys like Kalik and Elder are being overlooked. Both are mainstays of their sides when fit and are playing at a very good level relative to our other players. I don't think either of them have even been capped?!
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+xTime to update this... here goes Ryan 1657
Karacic 1425 Wright 1490 Souttar 1481 Elder 1461
Mooy 1635, Genreau 1570
Volpato 1749 Rogic 1565 McGree 1564
Ruka 1618
Others..
Hrustic 1559
Kalik 1538
Mabil 1524
Irvine & Metcalfe 1488
Holland 1443
Circati 1431
Dougall 1435
King 1429
Gersbach 1413
D Juric 1383
Rowles, Devlin, Atkinson, Kuol 1316
Boyle and Jeggo 1286
Bacchus 1281
Behich 1268
So looking off that it's probably time we at least had a look at Elder and Kalik bringing them into the squad. Both 1st team regulars at very highly rated clubs. And Rukavytsa should have been given far more opportunities the last few years given the level he's been playing at and scoring goals in... ship probably sailed now though.
If Souttar goes to Leicester (1745) Wolves (1698) or Everton (1675), or Bacchus goes to AEK(1467), Rangers (1635), Norwich (1558), a rumoured.
It just does not work like that - selecting players for national teams based on club rankings. It is interesting to see how they are ranked based on ELO though.
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Time to update this... here goes Ryan 1657
Karacic 1425 Wright 1490 Souttar 1481 Elder 1461
Mooy 1635, Genreau 1570
Volpato 1749 Rogic 1565 McGree 1564
Ruka 1618
Others..
Hrustic 1559
Kalik 1538
Mabil 1524
Irvine & Metcalfe 1488
Holland 1443
Circati 1431
Dougall 1435
King 1429
Gersbach 1413
D Juric 1383
Rowles, Devlin, Atkinson, Kuol 1316
Boyle and Jeggo 1286
Bacchus 1281
Behich 1268
So looking off that it's probably time we at least had a look at Elder and Kalik bringing them into the squad. Both 1st team regulars at very highly rated clubs. And Rukavytsa should have been given far more opportunities the last few years given the level he's been playing at and scoring goals in... ship probably sailed now though.
If Souttar goes to Leicester (1745) Wolves (1698) or Everton (1675), or Bacchus goes to AEK(1467), Rangers (1635), Norwich (1558), a rumoured.
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Nice work BTW
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Always surprised how high Russia rates using ELO. It’s not a league that comes on my radar much.
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- Update March 2020 (Compared with last update August 2019) -
Here are each Aussies club atm.. please let me know if i've missed anyone
Premier League 1750
Mooy, Ryan Brighton 1637, steady at 1636
Bundi 1704
Leckie Hertha 1645 down now 1626
Borrello Freiburg 1610 up now 1634
Championship 1498
Smith Cardiff 1541
Irvine and elder Hull 1507 dropped a lot, 1443
Luongo Wednesday 1533 down to 1480
Federici Stoke 1479
Dougall Barsnley no change 1412
Wright Bristol 1536... now Sunderland (unrated)
Ryan Williams - Rotherham 1377, now Portsmouth (unrated)
Meredith Millwall 1473... REMOVED
Austria 1484
Holland GAK very high at 1689!!
Jeggo Austria Vienna 1457 up to 1475
Belgium 1474
Vukovic Genk 1628 fallen long way to 1547
Holland 1457
Dyl Ryan 1470
Hrustic Groningen 1428 up to 1447
Turkey 1427
Behich Basaksehir 1562 up to 1612
Croatia 1402
Karacic- Lokomotiv Zagreb 1384 up to 1434
Kalik Hadjuk Split 1508 now Gorica down to 1395
Denmark 1383
Mabil Midtylland 1506 up a lot to 1562
Amini , Duncan and Gersbach Aarhus 1370 up a long way to 1456
Cyprus (no rating but judging by club ratings it would be around here)
Giannous Larnaca 1527 down a bit to 1509
Scotland 1355
Rogic, Arzani Celtic 1568 up massively to 1647
Boyle Hibs 1351 up to 1374
Garrucio, Bozanic Hearts 1273 down to 1259
Dykes Livingston 1324
Serbia (no rating but judging by club ratings it would be around here)
Degenek Red Star 1521 up, 1543
Hungary 1302
GolGol Mebrahtu- Puskás Akadémia Puskás Akadémia 1250 - up to 1320
Israel 1282
Sainbury PSV 1702, now with maccabi haifa down a long way to 1406. Huge drop
Rukas maccabi 1335 up to 1406
Bulgaria 1282
Jurics luzern 1424 now CSKA Sofia , which is surprisingly rated at a higher standard at 1475
Bosnia (unrated)
Jovanovic FK Sarajevo 1263
Unrated (clubs too low) - Ryan Williams , Ryan Edwards, Harry Souttar, Lyden, Jason Cummings and Mark Milligan
Comments - Was surprised to see how strongly Juric's team CSKA are rated (1475) despite a lowly league.. The bulgarian version of rangers or celtic . Which brings me to Celtic and also LASK - both are rated very very highly off the back of outstanding results in the Europa league. Ppl on this forum keep talking about Rogic's decreasing gametime but it must be said that the scottish league and Celtic have improved a lot since Rogic first cemented himself as a starter in 2015/16 when Celtic were only rated about 1500. Its not that Rogic has dropped off in performance its just that Celtic now have both Ntcham and Christie who push him for a place combined with his ongoing fitness troubles. Holland's LASK meanwhile is the highest rating of any Australian ive seen since i first started following ELO in 2015. Plays every match, is vice captain and has a tonne of assists this season, surely must get a recall to the Socceroos.
Another thing to note is how few Aussie we now have in Europe. Compare this to say 2004, the numbers have dropped astoundingly. Even compared to recent years we have dropped down. This is probably the fewest ive seen since about 2013. Last point - people need to re look how they view the israeli league - it is rated lowly. Sainsbury has taken a huge step down quality wise albeit Maccabi is the 2nd highest rated club .
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Leckie Degenek D.Ryan Behich
Mooy Holland
Mabil Rogic Arzani
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+x+xI didn't know that ELO only used league and UCL/UEL games as markers. Even then I'd still take a full strength Huddersfield over a full strength Midtylland Looking back at this comment now, I'd definitely back Midtylland. Haha. I was going to bump this actually :)
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+xSo from all the above the players Arnold needs to take a closer look at... Oar Mebrahtu Mabil Gersbach Jeggo Holland So a yr on... Oar- left about a week after this to mariners and wrecked himself Mebrahtu - no game time now in hungary which is a backwater Mabil - Was capped shortly after and been great for the roos. Good pick by me ill say Gersbach - moved to loaer denmark. Still not given much of a go Jeggo - status quo. Keeps getting picked as backup for roos but no gametime Holland - continued to go from strength to strength but still no cap. Overdue
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+xI didn't know that ELO only used league and UCL/UEL games as markers. Even then I'd still take a full strength Huddersfield over a full strength Midtylland Looking back at this comment now, I'd definitely back Midtylland.
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Forgot about Anthony Kalik at Hadjuk Split... 1308
This puts him just outside of the 'ELO socceroos' starting 11
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+x+xIt would be interesting to see where second divisions would be in regards to Uefa coefs. Since they basically measure the strongest teams in the division I'd imagine the Championship to be around 15? ELO shows this... Spanish segunda woupd be 7th after Russia, Englisg championship would be 8th one ahead of Portgual. Thats using the average club score from each league. So whilst say portugal and holland have some really big ranking clubs in porto, ajax etc the average of those leagues is brought down by the shitty low ranked sides. One thing studying ELO has taught me is that we get too hung up on the league someones in rather than the club. Theres a big big difference playing for PSV like Sainsbury does compared with say a Groningen (which is still like the 6th best in holland). It is a huge drop ranking wise Something I agree with bit also worth noting that playing against good players will improve you and challenge you. Having numerous big clubs means more challenging games which helps with that.
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+xIt would be interesting to see where second divisions would be in regards to Uefa coefs. Since they basically measure the strongest teams in the division I'd imagine the Championship to be around 15? ELO shows this... Spanish segunda woupd be 7th after Russia, Englisg championship would be 8th one ahead of Portgual. Thats using the average club score from each league. So whilst say portugal and holland have some really big ranking clubs in porto, ajax etc the average of those leagues is brought down by the shitty low ranked sides. One thing studying ELO has taught me is that we get too hung up on the league someones in rather than the club. Theres a big big difference playing for PSV like Sainsbury does compared with say a Groningen (which is still like the 6th best in holland). It is a huge drop ranking wise
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I reckon that Socceroo squad based on ELO is the go, pending injuries and game time, maybe swap Loungo for Leckie and bring Grant in at RB.
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It would be interesting to see where second divisions would be in regards to Uefa coefs. Since they basically measure the strongest teams in the division I'd imagine the Championship to be around 15?
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+x- Update August 2019 - Here are each Aussies club atm.. GolGol Mebrahtu- Puskás Akadémia Puskás Akadémia 1250 - nearly a 300 point drop from sparta Karacic- Lokomotiv Zagreb 1384 Rogic, Arzani Celtic 1568 Garrucio, Bozanic Hearts 1273 Boyle Hibs 1351 Wright Bristol 1536 Williams - Rotherham 1377 Jurics luzern 1424 Irvine and elder Hull 1507 Meredith Millwall 1473 Sainbury PSV 1702 Mooy, Ryan Brighton 1637 Leckie Hertha 1645 Borrello Freiburg 1610 Luongo Wednesday 1533 - 100 points up from QPR Behich Basaksehir 1562 Rukas maccabi 1335 Giannous Larnaca 1527 Jeggo Austria Vienna 1457 Mabil Midtylland 1506 - dropped 100 points in last year Amini and Gersbach Aarhus 1370 Degenek Red Star 1521 Armenaskas Panathainaikos dropped a lonnng way 1424 Vukovic Genk 1628 Hrustic Groningen 1428 Dougall Barnsley `1412 Williams Souttar and milligan i cant even access they are so low Comment - lot less Australians OS this year although the ones that are are higher ranked this yr bar Milligan Mabil and GolGol who dropped massively Socceroos eleven using ELO Ryan Leckie Wright Sainsbury Behich Mooy Holland Luongo Rogic Arzani Borrello Cheers for that. Not a long way away from everyone’s Socceroos team anyway
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+xCurrent UEFA league coefficients- Scotland has risen 6!! I expect this to further to up in coming seasons given Rangers are now stably in the top flight again so too hearts and hibs. Hopefully they can get back up to top 15 which will mean an automatic place in CL benefitting my team (Celtic) and all our aussie players in scotland | Ranking | Coefficient | Places in 2020–21 season |
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August 2019 update..... Scotland keeps inching upsides as Rangers slowly get back to where they were. Would be good if scotland could get back to 15th as this would see them granted an automatic champs league group stage spot. Austria keeps inching upwards too. Netherlands greece and swiss continuing their downward slides | Ranking | Coefficient | Places in 2021–22 season |
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- Update August 2019 -
Here are each Aussies club atm..
GolGol Mebrahtu- Puskás Akadémia Puskás Akadémia 1250 - nearly a 300 point drop from sparta
Karacic- Lokomotiv Zagreb 1384
Rogic, Arzani Celtic 1568
Garrucio, Bozanic Hearts 1273
Boyle Hibs 1351
Wright Bristol 1536
Williams - Rotherham 1377
Jurics luzern 1424
Irvine and elder Hull 1507
Meredith Millwall 1473
Sainbury PSV 1702
Mooy, Ryan Brighton 1637
Leckie Hertha 1645
Borrello Freiburg 1610
Luongo Wednesday 1533 - 100 points up from QPR
Behich Basaksehir 1562
Rukas maccabi 1335
Giannous Larnaca 1527
Jeggo Austria Vienna 1457
Mabil Midtylland 1506 - dropped 100 points in last year
Amini and Gersbach Aarhus 1370
Degenek Red Star 1521
Armenaskas Panathainaikos dropped a lonnng way 1424
Vukovic Genk 1628
Hrustic Groningen 1428
Dougall Barnsley `1412
Williams Souttar and milligan i cant even access they are so low
Comment - lot less Australians OS this year although the ones that are are higher ranked this yr bar Milligan Mabil and GolGol who dropped massively
Socceroos eleven using ELO
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Leckie Wright Sainsbury Behich
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Luongo Rogic Arzani
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+xI didn't know that ELO only used league and UCL/UEL games as markers. Even then I'd still take a full strength Huddersfield over a full strength Midtylland This comment didn't end well did it :)
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