Club comparison of Socceroos using ELO


Club comparison of Socceroos using ELO

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paladisious - 21 Aug 2018 10:47 PM
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The Adrtho XI.

What ever happened to him?? 

🇮🇪Hail Hail🇮🇪

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aok - 22 Aug 2018 8:45 AM
If the ELO is accurate, it puts the quality of the Dutch and Scottish leagues into some perspective.

All it is is a weighted computation of results over the past few years. Obviously there's always qualitative factors to take into account (e.g. the Scottish league has been effected by rangers downfall these past few yrs but now they are established again).
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BrisbaneBhoy - 22 Aug 2018 9:09 AM
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What ever happened to him?? 

I miss the big fights he'd start lol
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I didn't know that ELO only used league and UCL/UEL games as markers. 

Even then I'd still take a full strength Huddersfield over a full strength Midtylland
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Huddersfield definitely has better players.
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Bunch of Hacks - 21 Aug 2018 8:02 PM
A Socceroos 11 then based on elo ...

                              Ryan 
Leckie  Sainsbury Jedinak Gersbach 
                  Mooy         Holland 
Mabil                Rogic             Oar 
                          Mebrahtu

(This is assuming they all play)

Some interesting names put out there. Players that haven't been looked at that much inc oar Mebrahtu mabil and surprisly Holland. Even Gersbach hasn't been used much by the roos . 

Holland was never selected by Ange - or Bert. He was last selected as a Socceroo by Holger.

When returning to the HAL  he didn't look that good by his own standards given his previous successes.
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aok - 22 Aug 2018 8:45 AM
If the ELO is accurate, it puts the quality of the Dutch and Scottish leagues into some perspective.

The Scottish league and dutch league have been poorly rated by UEFA for years now, and it's no surprise. Generally speaking they do poorly in Europe. It's no surprise the Eredivise is 13th in Europe and Scotland is 22. Ajax and PSV will help maintain the Dutch top 15 ranking by qualifying for the UCL but the other three sides have already been eliminated in Europa League qualifying, that's fairly poor. This all determines European places so it is important and quite balanced. 

https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method5/crank2019.html

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Decentric - 29 Aug 2018 8:52 AM
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Holland was never selected by Ange - or Bert. He was last selected as a Socceroo by Holger.

When returning to the HAL  he didn't look that good by his own standards given his previous successes.

Ange selected Holland for the 2014 World Cup Squad and Ange played Holland against the UAE, South Africa and Croatia in our friendlies leading up to the 2014 Wocrld Cup. 
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Update ...


Sparta prague golgol 1512 now 1491
Mlada Susnjar 1360 now 1383 
Celtic Arzani and rogic 1534 now 1565 
Hearts garrucio and bazanic 1310 now 1325 
Hibs millsy boyle mclaren 1338  now 1351
Jurics luzern 1436 1448
Hudders mooy 1559 1520 
Hull irvine 1468 1484 
Villa jedi 1578 1556
Millwall  meredith1499 1437 
Psv sains and behich 1654 1716 
Brighton ryan 1637 1640 
Hertha Leckie 1610 1653 
QPR massimo 1417 1466
Maccabi ruka 1261 1263
Rosenborg Gersbach 1522
Giannous Larnaca 1515 1523
Bochum Kruse 1445 1472 
AGF Amini 1417 1370 
Lask Holland 1472 1538
Austria V jeggo  1462 1488
Ipswich Elder 1362 
Midtylland Mabil 1563 1571 
Lokomotive Zagreb Karacic 1450
Red star degenek  1480 1529
Pec genreau 1321 1336
Genk Vukovic 1617 1664 
Bristol 1460 1470 
Freiburg borello 1620 

Socceroos xi based off ELO..

                   Ryan 
Karacic Sains  Degenek  behich 
              Mooy  Holland 
Borello         Rogic       Mabil 
                    Leckie 

Need to re-look at Holland according to this..
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Bunch of Hacks - 5 Jan 2019 4:33 AM
Update ...


Sparta prague golgol 1512 now 1491
Mlada Susnjar 1360 now 1383 
Celtic Arzani and rogic 1534 now 1565 
Hearts garrucio and bazanic 1310 now 1325 
Hibs millsy boyle mclaren 1338  now 1351
Jurics luzern 1436 1448
Hudders mooy 1559 1520 
Hull irvine 1468 1484 
Villa jedi 1578 1556
Millwall  meredith1499 1437 
Psv sains and behich 1654 1716 
Brighton ryan 1637 1640 
Hertha Leckie 1610 1653 
QPR massimo 1417 1466
Maccabi ruka 1261 1263
Rosenborg Gersbach 1522
Giannous Larnaca 1515 1523
Bochum Kruse 1445 1472 
AGF Amini 1417 1370 
Lask Holland 1472 1538
Austria V jeggo  1462 1488
Ipswich Elder 1362 
Midtylland Mabil 1563 1571 
Lokomotive Zagreb Karacic 1450
Red star degenek  1480 1529
Pec genreau 1321 1336
Genk Vukovic 1617 1664 
Bristol 1460 1470 
Freiburg borello 1620 

Socceroos xi based off ELO..

                   Ryan 
Karacic Sains  Degenek  behich 
              Mooy  Holland 
Borello         Rogic       Mabil 
                    Leckie 

Need to re-look at Holland according to this..

The other thing to note that even according to this we are weak at right back
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League rating...

Spain 1736
England 1709 
Germany 1680
Italy 1634
France 1580
Russia 1547
Portugal 
Austria (!
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Bunch of Hacks - 5 Jan 2019 5:12 AM
League rating...

Spain 1736
England 1709 
Germany 1680
Italy 1634
France 1580
Russia 1547
Portugal 1490
Austria (!!) 1478
Belgium 1477
Swiss 1458 
Turkey 1452
Ukraine 1447 (fallen a long way)
Netherlands 1424 (bounced back a bit)
Croatia 1398
Czech 1388 (higher than most perceive)
Denmark 1387
Greece 1386 (fallen a lot)
Sweden 1373
Scotland 1318 (!!!) 


Updated above. Scotland a lowly 19th and that's only from top leagues. Including second divions eg EC and bundi 2 etc would be even lower. Also doesn't include Cyprus and Serbia who don't have a rating but I'd say would be ranked higher than Scotland too 
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Current UEFA league coefficients- Scotland has risen 6!! I expect this to further to up in coming seasons given Rangers are now stably in the top flight again so too hearts and hibs. Hopefully they can get back up to top 15 which will mean an automatic place in CL benefitting my team (Celtic) and all our aussie players in scotland


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CoefficientTeamsPlaces in 2020–21 season
20192018Mvmt2014–152015–162016–172017–182018–19TotalCLELTotal
110 —Spain Spain (LC)20.21423.92820.14219.71413.57197.5697/7437
220 —England England (LCLC1)13.57114.25014.92820.07112.78575.6056/7
330 —Italy Italy (LC)19.00011.50014.25017.33310.07172.1545/7
440 —Germany Germany (LC)15.85716.42814.5719.85713.07169.7845/7
550 —France France (LCLC1)10.91611.08314.41611.5009.25057.1653/636
660 —Russia Russia (LC)9.66611.5009.20012.6006.75049.7162/6
770 —Portugal Portugal (LC)9.08310.5008.0839.6668.50045.8323/525
891 +1Belgium Belgium (LC)9.6007.40012.5002.6007.20039.3002/5
98-1 –1Ukraine Ukraine (LC)10.0009.8005.5008.0004.80038.1002/5
10100 —Turkey Turkey (LC)6.0006.6009.7006.8004.90034.0002/5
11143 +3Netherlands Netherlands (LC)6.0835.7509.1002.9006.80030.6331/5
1211-1 –1Austria Austria (LC)4.1253.8007.3759.7505.40030.4502/5
13151 +2Greece Greece (LC)6.2005.4005.8005.1004.90027.4001/5
14173 +3Denmark Denmark (LC)2.9005.5008.5005.2504.87527.0250/4
1512-3 –3Switzerland Switzerland (LC)6.9005.3004.3006.5003.90026.9001/5
1613-3 –3Czech Republic Czech Republic (LC)3.8757.3005.5005.5004.70026.8752/514
1716-1 –1Croatia Croatia (LC)6.8754.5005.1255.1254.75026.3751/4
18191 +1Cyprus Cyprus (LC)3.3003.0005.5007.0006.12524.9250/4
19256 +6Serbia Serbia (LC)2.7504.2502.8756.3756.00022.2500/4
20266 +6Scotland Scotland (LC)4.0003.0004.3754.0006.75022.1251/4
21276 +6Belarus Belarus (LC)5.5005.1253.0003.2504.50021.3751/4
22220 —Sweden Sweden (LC)3.9004.7502.7505.3754.12520.9001/4
23296 +6Norway Norway (LC)2.2007.2501.3754.0005.37520.2000/4
24284 +4Kazakhstan Kazakhstan (LC)3.3754.6252.7504.2504.25019.2500/4
2521-4 –4Poland Poland (LC)4.7505.5003.8752.8752.25019.2500/4
2623-3 –3Azerbaijan Azerbaijan (LC)3.6254.3754.2504.3752.37519.0000/4
2718-9 –9Israel Israel (LC)1.3752.2506.7505.6252.62518.6250/4
2824-4 –4Bulgaria Bulgaria (LC)4.2501.0004.2504.0004.00017.5000/4
2920-9 –9Romania Romania (LC)5.1252.2503.3002.9002.37515.9500/4
30322 +2Slovakia Slovakia (LC)2.7503.7502.1251.8755.12515.6250/4
3130-1 –1Slovenia Slovenia (LC)4.0001.0002.2504.6253.12515.0000/4
3231-1 –1Liechtenstein Liechtenstein (C2)2.5005.0002.5002.0001.50013.5000/1011

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For perspective, seeing as this thread started with Gol-Gol's transfer to Sparta Prague, worth noting that he has failed to score in his 7 appearances (6 of them being as a substitute), before being an unused sub for a couple of games, then dropped from the match-day squad altogether for the last few weeks.  He joined the club after their involvement in European competition (which helps their ELO rating) was finished for the year so hasn't had any involvement at that level this year.


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Benjamin - 5 Jan 2019 9:55 AM
For perspective, seeing as this thread started with Gol-Gol's transfer to Sparta Prague, worth noting that he has failed to score in his 7 appearances (6 of them being as a substitute), before being an unused sub for a couple of games, then dropped from the match-day squad altogether for the last few weeks.  He joined the club after their involvement in European competition (which helps their ELO rating) was finished for the year so hasn't had any involvement at that level this year.


Good points.
They didn't qualify this season full stop (not even europa) . At the moment they're fifth in the standings as such their score is one of the few above to drop. 

Of the above only Amini, golgol, mooy, Meredith and jedi's teams have dropped thanks to poor results. 

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Ds98 - 28 Aug 2018 7:40 PM
I didn't know that ELO only used league and UCL/UEL games as markers. 

Even then I'd still take a full strength Huddersfield over a full strength Midtylland

This comment didn't end well did it :) 
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- Update August 2019 -

Here are each Aussies club atm..
GolGol Mebrahtu- Puskás Akadémia Puskás Akadémia 1250 - nearly a 300 point drop from sparta
Karacic- Lokomotiv Zagreb 1384
Rogic, Arzani Celtic 1568
Garrucio, Bozanic Hearts 1273
Boyle Hibs 1351
Wright Bristol 1536
Williams - Rotherham 1377
Jurics luzern 1424
Irvine and elder Hull 1507 
Meredith Millwall 1473
Sainbury PSV 1702
Mooy, Ryan Brighton 1637
Leckie Hertha 1645
Borrello Freiburg 1610
Luongo Wednesday 1533 - 100 points up from QPR
Behich Basaksehir 1562
Rukas maccabi 1335 
Giannous Larnaca 1527
Jeggo Austria Vienna 1457
Mabil Midtylland 1506 - dropped 100 points in last year
Amini  and Gersbach Aarhus 1370 
Degenek Red Star 1521
Armenaskas Panathainaikos dropped a lonnng way 1424
Vukovic Genk 1628
Hrustic Groningen 1428
Dougall Barnsley `1412 
Williams Souttar and milligan i cant even access they are so low  

Comment - lot less Australians OS this year although the ones that are are higher ranked this yr bar Milligan Mabil and GolGol who dropped massively     

Socceroos eleven using ELO
                       Ryan
Leckie  Wright Sainsbury  Behich
             Mooy Holland
Luongo        Rogic      Arzani 
                   Borrello


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Bunch of Hacks - 5 Jan 2019 7:26 AM
Current UEFA league coefficients- Scotland has risen 6!! I expect this to further to up in coming seasons given Rangers are now stably in the top flight again so too hearts and hibs. Hopefully they can get back up to top 15 which will mean an automatic place in CL benefitting my team (Celtic) and all our aussie players in scotland


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CoefficientTeamsPlaces in 2020–21 season
20192018Mvmt2014–152015–162016–172017–182018–19TotalCLELTotal
110 —Spain Spain (LC)20.21423.92820.14219.71413.57197.5697/7437
220 —England England (LCLC1)13.57114.25014.92820.07112.78575.6056/7
330 —Italy Italy (LC)19.00011.50014.25017.33310.07172.1545/7
440 —Germany Germany (LC)15.85716.42814.5719.85713.07169.7845/7
550 —France France (LCLC1)10.91611.08314.41611.5009.25057.1653/636
660 —Russia Russia (LC)9.66611.5009.20012.6006.75049.7162/6
770 —Portugal Portugal (LC)9.08310.5008.0839.6668.50045.8323/525
891 +1Belgium Belgium (LC)9.6007.40012.5002.6007.20039.3002/5
98-1 –1Ukraine Ukraine (LC)10.0009.8005.5008.0004.80038.1002/5
10100 —Turkey Turkey (LC)6.0006.6009.7006.8004.90034.0002/5
11143 +3Netherlands Netherlands (LC)6.0835.7509.1002.9006.80030.6331/5
1211-1 –1Austria Austria (LC)4.1253.8007.3759.7505.40030.4502/5
13151 +2Greece Greece (LC)6.2005.4005.8005.1004.90027.4001/5
14173 +3Denmark Denmark (LC)2.9005.5008.5005.2504.87527.0250/4
1512-3 –3Switzerland Switzerland (LC)6.9005.3004.3006.5003.90026.9001/5
1613-3 –3Czech Republic Czech Republic (LC)3.8757.3005.5005.5004.70026.8752/514
1716-1 –1Croatia Croatia (LC)6.8754.5005.1255.1254.75026.3751/4
18191 +1Cyprus Cyprus (LC)3.3003.0005.5007.0006.12524.9250/4
19256 +6Serbia Serbia (LC)2.7504.2502.8756.3756.00022.2500/4
20266 +6Scotland Scotland (LC)4.0003.0004.3754.0006.75022.1251/4
21276 +6Belarus Belarus (LC)5.5005.1253.0003.2504.50021.3751/4
22220 —Sweden Sweden (LC)3.9004.7502.7505.3754.12520.9001/4
23296 +6Norway Norway (LC)2.2007.2501.3754.0005.37520.2000/4
24284 +4Kazakhstan Kazakhstan (LC)3.3754.6252.7504.2504.25019.2500/4
2521-4 –4Poland Poland (LC)4.7505.5003.8752.8752.25019.2500/4
2623-3 –3Azerbaijan Azerbaijan (LC)3.6254.3754.2504.3752.37519.0000/4
2718-9 –9Israel Israel (LC)1.3752.2506.7505.6252.62518.6250/4
2824-4 –4Bulgaria Bulgaria (LC)4.2501.0004.2504.0004.00017.5000/4
2920-9 –9Romania Romania (LC)5.1252.2503.3002.9002.37515.9500/4
30322 +2Slovakia Slovakia (LC)2.7503.7502.1251.8755.12515.6250/4
3130-1 –1Slovenia Slovenia (LC)4.0001.0002.2504.6253.12515.0000/4
3231-1 –1Liechtenstein Liechtenstein (C2)2.5005.0002.5002.0001.50013.5000/1011

August 2019 update..... Scotland keeps inching upsides as Rangers slowly get back to where they were. Would be good if scotland could get back to 15th as this would see them granted an automatic champs league group stage spot. Austria keeps inching upwards too.  Netherlands greece and swiss continuing their downward slides

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CoefficientTeamsPlaces in 2021–22 season
20202019Mvmt2015–162016–172017–182018–192019–20TotalCLELEL2Total
110 —Spain Spain (LC)23.92820.14219.71419.5712.85786.2127/74217
220 —England England (LCLC1)14.25014.92820.07122.6422.85774.7487/7
341 +1Germany Germany (LC)16.42814.5719.85715.2142.85758.9277/7
43-1 –1Italy Italy (LC)11.50014.25017.33312.6422.78558.5107/7
550 —France France (LCLC1)11.08314.41611.50010.5832.50050.0826/636
660 —Russia Russia (LC)11.5009.20012.6007.5831.83342.7165/612
770 —Portugal Portugal (LC)10.5008.0839.66610.9002.20041.3495/525
880 —Belgium Belgium (LC)7.40012.5002.6007.8001.80032.1005/5
990 —Ukraine Ukraine (LC)9.8005.5008.0005.6001.70030.6004/5
10100 —Turkey Turkey (LC)6.6009.7006.8005.5001.60030.2004/5
11121 +1Austria Austria (LC)3.8007.3759.7506.2001.40028.5253/5
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3029-1 –1Romania Romania (LC)2.2503.3002.9002.3753.25014.0752/4


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Bunch of Hacks - 20 Aug 2019 2:32 AM
- Update August 2019 -

Here are each Aussies club atm..
GolGol Mebrahtu- Puskás Akadémia Puskás Akadémia 1250 - nearly a 300 point drop from sparta
Karacic- Lokomotiv Zagreb 1384
Rogic, Arzani Celtic 1568
Garrucio, Bozanic Hearts 1273
Boyle Hibs 1351
Wright Bristol 1536
Williams - Rotherham 1377
Jurics luzern 1424
Irvine and elder Hull 1507 
Meredith Millwall 1473
Sainbury PSV 1702
Mooy, Ryan Brighton 1637
Leckie Hertha 1645
Borrello Freiburg 1610
Luongo Wednesday 1533 - 100 points up from QPR
Behich Basaksehir 1562
Rukas maccabi 1335 
Giannous Larnaca 1527
Jeggo Austria Vienna 1457
Mabil Midtylland 1506 - dropped 100 points in last year
Amini  and Gersbach Aarhus 1370 
Degenek Red Star 1521
Armenaskas Panathainaikos dropped a lonnng way 1424
Vukovic Genk 1628
Hrustic Groningen 1428
Dougall Barnsley `1412 
Williams Souttar and milligan i cant even access they are so low  

Comment - lot less Australians OS this year although the ones that are are higher ranked this yr bar Milligan Mabil and GolGol who dropped massively     

Socceroos eleven using ELO
                       Ryan
Leckie  Wright Sainsbury  Behich
             Mooy Holland
Luongo        Rogic      Arzani 
                   Borrello


Cheers for that. Not a long way away from everyone’s Socceroos team anyway 
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It would be interesting to see where second divisions would be in regards to Uefa coefs. Since they basically measure the strongest teams in the division I'd imagine the Championship to be around 15? 

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I reckon that Socceroo squad based on ELO is the go, pending injuries and game time, maybe swap Loungo for Leckie and bring Grant in at RB.

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TimmyJ - 20 Aug 2019 7:50 AM
It would be interesting to see where second divisions would be in regards to Uefa coefs. Since they basically measure the strongest teams in the division I'd imagine the Championship to be around 15? 

ELO shows this... Spanish segunda woupd be 7th after Russia, Englisg championship would be 8th one ahead of Portgual.

Thats using the average club score from each league. So whilst say portugal and holland have some really big ranking clubs in porto, ajax etc the average of those leagues is brought down by the shitty low ranked sides.

One thing studying ELO has taught me is that we get too hung up on the league someones in rather than the club. Theres a big big difference playing for PSV like Sainsbury does compared with say a Groningen (which is still like the 6th best in holland). It is a huge drop ranking wise
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Bunch of Hacks - 20 Aug 2019 6:54 PM
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ELO shows this... Spanish segunda woupd be 7th after Russia, Englisg championship would be 8th one ahead of Portgual.

Thats using the average club score from each league. So whilst say portugal and holland have some really big ranking clubs in porto, ajax etc the average of those leagues is brought down by the shitty low ranked sides.

One thing studying ELO has taught me is that we get too hung up on the league someones in rather than the club. Theres a big big difference playing for PSV like Sainsbury does compared with say a Groningen (which is still like the 6th best in holland). It is a huge drop ranking wise

Something I agree with bit also worth noting that playing against good players will improve you and challenge you. Having numerous big clubs means more challenging games which helps with that. 

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Forgot about Anthony Kalik at Hadjuk Split... 1308 

This puts him just outside of the 'ELO socceroos' starting 11
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Ds98 - 28 Aug 2018 7:40 PM
I didn't know that ELO only used league and UCL/UEL games as markers. 

Even then I'd still take a full strength Huddersfield over a full strength Midtylland

Looking back at this comment now, I'd definitely back Midtylland.
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Bunch of Hacks - 21 Aug 2018 8:50 PM
So from all the above the players Arnold needs to take a closer look at...

Oar
Mebrahtu
Mabil 
Gersbach 
Jeggo
Holland

So a yr on...
Oar- left about a week after this to mariners and wrecked himself
Mebrahtu - no game time now in hungary which is a backwater 
Mabil - Was capped shortly after and been great for the roos. Good pick by me ill say
Gersbach - moved to loaer denmark. Still not given much of a go
Jeggo - status quo. Keeps getting picked as backup for roos but no gametime 
Holland - continued to go from strength to strength but still no cap. Overdue
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Ds98 - 23 Aug 2019 7:29 PM
Ds98 - 28 Aug 2018 7:40 PM

Looking back at this comment now, I'd definitely back Midtylland.

Haha. I was going to bump this actually :) 
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- Update March 2020 (Compared with last update August 2019) -
Here are each Aussies club atm.. please let me know if i've missed anyone

Premier League 1750
Mooy, Ryan Brighton 1637, steady at 1636

Bundi 1704
Leckie Hertha 1645 down now 1626
Borrello Freiburg 1610 up now 1634

Championship 1498
Smith Cardiff 1541
Irvine and elder Hull 1507 dropped a lot, 1443
Luongo Wednesday 1533 down to 1480
Federici Stoke 1479 
Dougall Barsnley no change 1412 
Wright Bristol 1536... now Sunderland (unrated)
Ryan Williams - Rotherham 1377, now Portsmouth (unrated) 
Meredith Millwall 1473... REMOVED 

Austria 1484
Holland GAK  very high at 1689!!
Jeggo Austria Vienna 1457 up to 1475

Belgium 1474
Vukovic Genk 1628 fallen long way to 1547

Holland 1457
Dyl Ryan 1470
Hrustic Groningen 1428 up to 1447

Turkey 1427
Behich Basaksehir 1562 up to 1612


Croatia 1402
Karacic- Lokomotiv Zagreb 1384 up to 1434
Kalik Hadjuk Split 1508 now Gorica down to 1395

Denmark 1383
Mabil Midtylland 1506 up a lot to 1562
Amini , Duncan and Gersbach Aarhus 1370 up a long way to 1456 

Cyprus (no rating but judging by club ratings it would be around here)
Giannous Larnaca 1527 down a bit to 1509

Scotland 1355
Rogic, Arzani Celtic 1568 up massively to 1647
Boyle Hibs 1351 up to 1374
Garrucio, Bozanic Hearts 1273 down to 1259
Dykes Livingston 1324

Serbia (no rating but judging by club ratings it would be around here)
Degenek Red Star 1521 up, 1543

Hungary 1302 
GolGol Mebrahtu- Puskás Akadémia Puskás Akadémia 1250 - up to 1320


Israel 1282
Sainbury PSV 1702, now with maccabi haifa down a long way to 1406. Huge drop
Rukas maccabi 1335 up to 1406

Bulgaria 1282
Jurics luzern 1424 now CSKA Sofia , which is surprisingly rated at a higher standard at 1475 

Bosnia (unrated)
Jovanovic FK Sarajevo 1263

Unrated (clubs too low) - Ryan Williams , Ryan Edwards, Harry Souttar,  Lyden, Jason Cummings and Mark Milligan   

Comments - Was surprised to see how strongly Juric's team CSKA are rated (1475) despite a lowly league.. The bulgarian version of rangers or celtic . Which brings me to Celtic and also LASK - both are rated very very highly off the back of outstanding results in the Europa league. Ppl on this forum keep talking about Rogic's decreasing gametime but it must be said that the scottish league and Celtic have improved a lot since Rogic first cemented himself as a starter in 2015/16 when Celtic were only rated about 1500.  Its not that Rogic has dropped off in performance its just that Celtic now have both Ntcham and Christie who push him for a place  combined with his ongoing fitness troubles. Holland's LASK meanwhile is the highest rating of any Australian ive seen since i first started following ELO in 2015. Plays every match, is vice captain and has a tonne of assists this season, surely must get a recall to the Socceroos.
Another thing to note is how few Aussie we now have in Europe. Compare this to say 2004, the numbers have dropped astoundingly. Even compared to recent years we have dropped down. This is probably the fewest ive seen since about 2013. Last point - people need to re look how they view the israeli league - it is rated lowly. Sainsbury has taken a huge step down quality wise albeit Maccabi is the 2nd highest rated club .


Socceroos eleven using ELO..
                    
                    Ryan

Leckie  Degenek D.Ryan Behich
                Mooy Holland
Mabil           Rogic      Arzani 
                   Borrello

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5 Years Ago by Bunch of Hacks
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Always surprised how high Russia rates using ELO. It’s not a league that comes on my radar much.
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