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Waz - 21 Mar 2019 10:18 AM
@ MelbCityGuyThe new board are proposing a 16 team/30 round competition with international breaks so in theory it will be a month longer. The inhibitor of course is fox who want a shorter season, not longer.

interesting times ahead so 10 days until this kicks off? 
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Yeah, I’m hearing they’re pretty close though but I don’t know how true it is ... plus Gallop’s always good for last minute hand grenades on any deal lol.
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This should pretty much confirm that the Nix are staying put.The club could use some foreign investment and this would concert that with a longer licence and no metrics in the way. 

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nomates - 21 Mar 2019 11:32 AM
This should pretty much confirm that the Nix are staying put.The club could use some foreign investment and this would concert that with a longer licence and no metrics in the way. 

The Nix will definitely be in the comp for the foreseeable future. The only chance of them leaving is if the owners decide to sell the license to an Aussie club like Canberra, which will be more of an option when the league becomes independent. 
On another note, whether the Nix do stay in the comp or not, I think we need to adopt the 'partner nations' policy like they have in the J-League and allow Kiwi players to play in Australian teams without using a visa spot.
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someguyjc - 21 Mar 2019 11:50 AM
nomates - 21 Mar 2019 11:32 AM

On another note, whether the Nix do stay in the comp or not, I think we need to adopt the 'partner nations' policy like they have in the J-League and allow Kiwi players to play in Australian teams without using a visa spot.

I'm not a fan of that, especially when there's a rumour going around that they want to increase the amount of visa spots. We should play more Aussie's a run instead. 
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Come On #Lads your Buddy David Williams need your input and support for the #Nix
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sub007 - 21 Mar 2019 11:54 AM
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I'm not a fan of that, especially when there's a rumour going around that they want to increase the amount of visa spots. We should play more Aussie's a run instead. 

Seems like clubs get kiwis anyway despite them taking up an import spot - usually known quantities vs the pot luck of other imports
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So Close but Yet So Far Apart

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Burztur - 20 Mar 2019 10:40 PM
Can Optus produce the content? (i.e. have the cameras etc)

Yes.

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FFA want 18.5% of all A-League TV money plus a royalty to cover soccerroos and grass roots football.
APFA     Happy at 90%    - Report may miss today's deadline as the parties work out the weeds in the detail.

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The FFA are cock heads. 18.5% and then they want a royalty?

How about the oat clubs compensation when they take their players for international duty instead?
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Waz - 31 Mar 2019 8:30 AM
The FFA are cock heads. 18.5% and then they want a royalty? How about the oat clubs compensation when they take their players for international duty instead?

Gyfox has the proper numbers, but he posted on WSW forums that Bundesliga has around 3% broadcasting, 3% gate and payment to grass roots as their cut.
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General Ashnak - 31 Mar 2019 1:20 AM
Burztur - 20 Mar 2019 10:40 PM

Yes.

Thanks. Always thought Optus was a distributor and didn't have the ability to produce the content required.  
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@Burztur

I’m not sure what an appripte % would be, 10% seems reasonable. The 3%+3% from Germany is fine on a large number but maybe not enough here

A good balance would be if the HAL matched the contributions from player Rego’s (I’m guessing about $7-$8m/year) which would mean amateur and professional game are equally funding the administration of the game.
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paladisious - 7 Oct 2018 8:21 PM
nomates - 7 Oct 2018 7:45 PM

ACL qualifying is up to the AFC, not the FFA, regardless of who is in charge of the latter. 

Entry Manual for AFC Club Competitions 2017-2020, Section 3, Clause 5:
When determining the number of clubs in the national top division league of an MA, ‘foreign’ clubs shall not be considered.
The AFC General Secretariat has sole discretion to determine whether a club shall be considered a ‘foreign’ club for the above purpose.

http://www.the-afc.com/afc/documents/PdfFiles/entry-manual-afc-club-competitions-2017-2020-33728

There'll be no change in Phoenix's eligibility, and indeed if we go to 12 teams they'll be the reason we don't get four slots, which is what we should already have going off our ranking.

Is the deal of handing over $3m a year to a bunch of Kiwis in a windy oval with two blokes and a sheep watching worth giving up an ACL spot for Australian teams?

Bye bye NIX. It's time to leave the HAL.

It's been real, but the pragmatics have spoken.

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mouflonrouge - 31 Mar 2019 12:29 PM
paladisious - 7 Oct 2018 8:21 PM

Bye bye NIX. It's time to leave the HAL.

It's been real, but the pragmatics have spoken.

I doubt it, Nix bring $300k more then any other club. Here to stay I think.


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nomates - 31 Mar 2019 1:13 PM
mouflonrouge - 31 Mar 2019 12:29 PM

I doubt it, Nix bring $300k more then any other club. Here to stay I think.

Not when there is an extra ACL place for an Aussie Team and a cool 3 million.

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So today is the March 31st deadline for the NLWG, what happens from here? There were talks the clubs wanted it delayed but we haven't heard on the latest update?
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Waz - 31 Mar 2019 8:45 AM
@Burztur I’m not sure what an appripte % would be, 10% seems reasonable. The 3%+3% from Germany is fine on a large number but maybe not enough here A good balance would be if the HAL matched the contributions from player Rego’s (I’m guessing about $7-$8m/year) which would mean amateur and professional game are equally funding the administration of the game.

The question is what is the operational costs of the FFA on its own? Can make a call on what the % from those numbers. 
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Waz - 31 Mar 2019 8:45 AM
@Burztur I’m not sure what an appripte % would be, 10% seems reasonable. The 3%+3% from Germany is fine on a large number but maybe not enough here A good balance would be if the HAL matched the contributions from player Rego’s (I’m guessing about $7-$8m/year) which would mean amateur and professional game are equally funding the administration of the game.

playing devils advocate, but what if the FFA get the 18.5% they want? could this reduce player rego's? I'm not on either side, but clearly people favour the position of the clubs due to their lack of trust with the FFA. and thats understandable. but what if this time the FFA are right? 18.5% of the TV rights deal equates to the $7-$8 million you're talking about. 
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I think it should be slightly less. The FFA need an incentive to create a second division. If they don’t get all they need from the HAL, then they need to work harder elsewhere.
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I've always been of the opinion that 15% is a fair percentage - and it seems a fair compromise between the two parties opening bids.
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Waz - 31 Mar 2019 8:45 AM

playing devils advocate, but what if the FFA get the 18.5% they want? could this reduce player rego's? I'm not on either side, but clearly people favour the position of the clubs due to their lack of trust with the FFA. and thats understandable. but what if this time the FFA are right? 18.5% of the TV rights deal equates to the $7-$8 million you're talking about. 

Don't forget they want a royalty every year as well

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Waz - 21 Mar 2019 11:26 AM
Yeah, I’m hearing they’re pretty close though but I don’t know how true it is ... plus Gallop’s always good for last minute hand grenades on any deal lol.

Just the finer details (Big $$$ Grab) to sort out - Then the Federations get to vote on it

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A-League clubs frustrated over opposition to league independence plans

The chances of an independent A-League kicking off by the start of next season appear to be lengthening as argument and major philosophical differences expose the cracks between the game's major stakeholders.

The state federations – the bodies representing soccer's grass roots and second tier competitions Australia wide – have thrown what one insider described as a ''hand grenade'' at the A-League clubs over their plans to take control of the game's elite competition, leading to frustration within the clubs, who want to begin the process as soon as possible

The New League Working Party group received submissions from all the groups involved in the game at the weekend, and there was far from unanimous agreement on how an independent A-League could look – even whether it should be independent at all.

''There are a lot of things that the state federations have questions about relating not just to the A-League but whether the way it might be separated off would be for the good of the whole game,'' said one source familiar with the discussions.

''There is the timeframe of the creation of a national second division, the fact that the state federations see promotion and relegation as part of that discussion, and the whole issue of expansion itself and who decides who gets into the league,'' the source said.

''Who is to say that the clubs, acting independently, will run the game any better than the FFA? There are a lot of issues to be resolved. We should also be asking if there are any other models for running the league that could be examined before we go down this direction.''

It is also understood that the state federations have reservations about Wellington Phoenix's continued presence in the league: the New Zealanders have the right to be in the A-League until the end of next season, but no longer.

The A-League clubs have responded positively to the Kiwis' interest in remaining as part of the top-tier Australian competition in the future.

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But the state federations have asked why a New Zealand club, and the NZ game, is benefiting to the tune of several million dollars a year in dividends from the TV broadcast revenue when that money might be better spent underwriting another Australian franchise or underpinning further investment in the broader Australian game.

The issue of payment for the intellectual property of the club's brand names and logos is also a major sticking point. The clubs are reluctant to put a high value on the properties (now owned by the FFA) arguing that they are essentially already own them and that the hundreds of millions of dollars they have collectively spent on establishing their businesses is recompense enough.

There is broad agreement that the A-League would be better off moving away from the overall control of the FFA, but the arguments over how that might best be managed again illustrate the divides between the sectoral interests within the game.

All parties were able to unite behind the idea of an independent A-League over the past couple of years as the major battering ram they used to oust Steven Lowy, who opposed the idea, from the chairmanship of the FFA.

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Having wiped away the old leadership, the groups are finding that the old arguments over how best to run the game remain.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/a-league-clubs-frustrated-over-opposition-to-league-independence-plans-20190401-p519nd.html
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That article makes for depressing reading.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

Someone needs to come in and shit can the whole lot of it (the federations, the A-league, the FFA) and start from scratch.  Too many vested interests.

They need an independent panel now more than ever.




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Normalisation was what we needed. Instead we’re playing snakes and ladders on a board with way more snakes than ladders
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Munrubenmuz - 1 Apr 2019 10:59 PM

That article makes for depressing reading.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

Someone needs to come in and shit can the whole lot of it (the federations, the A-league, the FFA) and start from scratch.  Too many vested interests.

They need an independent panel now more than ever.


The solution starts with working out what basic structure(s) comply with the definition in the FIFA Statutes:-

  1. 3  League: an organisation that is subordinate to an association.
The Association in this case being the FFA and the League is the A-League.

I'm sure there are a number of ways it can be structured but to be FIFA compliant "independent" has to be achieved within the meaning of "subordinate".






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