Waz, the gap in performance isnt that large as witnessed by HAL teams being regularly beaten by NPL sides in the FFA cup. Plus anyone who thinks CCM are miles above NPL quality is dreaming.

The main reason P/R is being resisted is that HAL franchises are not real clubs and they rely on the Fox tv money to survive, take that away and without their own facilities or communities they will fail.

FFA could easily produce the list of standards required if they were serious, but they are not. They are more interested in cash from property developers in Tarniet than they are about engaging the actual football community and introducing a standard FIFA model.

It’s not a quality thing it’s a commercial and facilities thing. 

Relegation should not become a commercial death sentence even though it’s an obvious financial shock even with parachute payments.

The big big issue is facilities - most NPL facilities done meet the minimum requirements for a second division.

Lets say Roar were relegated - they couldn’t play away at several clubs who play in public parks as they wouldn’t get a safety and police licence for the event. Brisbane City’s ground would also be unsuitable as it’s a safety nightmare and it’s one of the better ones. 

The fix is to organise clubs with the tight facilities, support and finances in to a national second division and go from there. This last election should have seen millions committed to improving these facilities ... 

I don’t think the top tier NPL clubs play at public parks. They have the facilities there. It’s just organising it for HAL and NPL clubs. The FFA just lack the willpower to do that.

I watched a few NPL matches from VIC, QLD and NSW on the weekend. With the exception of South Melbourne the VIC facilities are disgraceful, no way any of them could play A-league without moving or substantial upgrades, same with QLD, maybe Perry Park is nearly there. In NSW the facilities are pretty good.

@Waz, many football people in Melbourne laugh at WU's claims to build the first football specific stadium in Melbourne when 15K capacity Knights stadium has been operating since 1989.

In their pursuit of an elite competition, FFA and HAL have disconnected from the grassroots of the game and the metrics are now coming home to roost.

The important thing to remember is that the only clubs that will ever get promoted are clubs like Sth Melb, Wolves, etc. There will be fairly strict requirements (both financial and logistical) and those clubs that don't meet the requirements simply won't get let in the 2nd div let alone the HAL. There are only a very small number of clubs Australia wide that would be genuine possibilities. The 2nd div will change things a bit, but the vast majority will remain at NPL level for some time to come. 

Come on Team decide already

FFA to return 2019/20???

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They seriously need to do away with the state member federations. Too many different agendas, too much power over how the game should be run. Ridiculous. 

The grounds are pretty ordinary for professional football and fan comfort in NSW too, with a couple of exceptions. The 2017 NPL final I watched was at Lambert Park I think it was called. Pretty poor, run down venue if you ask me, bordering disgusting.

You sound like NPL sides constantly beat HAL sides lol.

Most HAL sides don't treat the FFA cup seriously. They are at pre-season and looking to use these games to rebuild fitness. Those that are serious about it win the cup.

The gap is miles apart.

State members are just knuts!They run the armature side of things now they want to run the pro game too? Nix life on the line. 

This year MV lost to Apia and WP lost to Bentliegh, and the current champions SFC got pushed to extra time in the quarters by Avondale, year before PG & CCM lost to NPL teams, year before that AU & CCM lost to NPL teams, but yep the gap is massive.

Its hard to determine how big the gap is and whether it’s opening or closing or not (let’s face it, a League system with pro/rel is the only way to prove anything).

But there’s Cup shocks all over the world every year - that’s the beauty of football. Over any 90 minutes any one side has a chance of beating any other. I wouldn’t go reading too much in to a handful of results. 

Yep

Your post shows how far this site has fallen and why its getting reduced traffic, people are arguing against facts because it does not suit their point of view.

is it done yet or what?

they really need to hurry the fuck up and sort the game out..

Nope. Reports today are that there has been little progress in negotiations and the independence looks likely to be delayed, possible by a year.

What exactly do the state feds do which a single national body couldn't do?

Probably explains Gallop's comments the other day about the finals format. Another slap in the face for the nuvo new dawners incoming by the sounds...

can you tell me with a straight face that Knights Stadium should be considered an FFA compliant stadium?


MVFC Played APIA without any of its 5 visa players. i went into it thinking it would be a danger game. I don't know what squad WP took to Bentleigh, but you also have to factor in that HAL clubs are very early into preseason with new squads trying to gel and playing away from home. this balances the ledger considerably. HAL clubs are vulnerable in the early FFA cup rounds. 


do you have a link or source to this? because I read last week that they are on the verge of an agreement. 

Pretty much the same as Regional Associations do in most other counties.  As a subordinate body to the FFA they govern, organise and control football in their region in accordance with the agreed national Charter in a manner that suits local circumstances.

https://www.ffa.com.au/sites/ffa/files/2017-09/FFA%20Member%20Federation%20Charter.pdf

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-clubs-fear-another-season-under-ffa-control/news-story/a9e6ce3607a31100f0441c9e15f6d175

The article doesn't specifically say delays are likely, but going off recent history with negotiations it's not a stretch to think it is a possibility.

Its pay waved I cant read it.

A-League clubs fear another season under FFA control
Concerns are mounting that soccer officials will fail to strike a deal to make the A-League independent of governing body Football Federation Australia by a June 30 deadline, with clubs and state federations at loggerheads.

Clubs have warned, if they do not wrest control of the league, it could experience another season of declining popularity and put at risk future sponsorship and commercial deals.

Western Sydney Wanderers chairman Paul Lederer, who is also the chairman of the clubs’ association, said it would be “catastrophic” for the A-League to experience another season under FFA management.

The looming June 30 deadline has galvanised the sport’s state and member federations, who have the majority say in a vote on a deal and are determined to extract financial and corporate governance concessions from the clubs.

Those include possible compensation flowing to the member federations, who are arguing for board representation on an independent league, a certain percentage of the league remaining owned by FFA and even club owners having to pay compensation to states when they sell their clubs.

Other sticking points between the clubs and federations remain the share from the $346 million TV revenue from Fox Sports, which still has four seasons to run on the current deal, commercial rights, ownership of intellectual property, structure of the new competition and the relationship between professional clubs and the game’s grassroots.

The states are also worried they will be left without access to future revenue streams once existing rights and sponsorship agreements expire. They want a portion of revenue to keep flowing to the wider game in the long-term.

The demands have upset club owners, who have incurred $350m in losses since the A-League was established in 2005.

They argue they deserve a bigger say in how the league is operated and that, by using their business acumen, can strike better sponsorship and broadcast deals and run the league more efficiently.

Meetings involving the clubs, FFA, member federations and other stakeholders are set for next week, with the clubs imploring the parties to find common ground.

“We all know it has to happen, so it should happen,” Wanderers chairman Paul Lederer says.

“We need people to put aside ego and power. It is not worth thinking about the consequences if we don’t meet this deadline.”

The clubs have argued they should take control over both their own and the league’s intellectual property for little or no compensation — a major sticking point for the states.

The two sides are said to be a reasonable way off a deal, meaning the June 30 deadline agreed by FFA chairman Chris Nikou could come and go without an agreement being struck, leaving the FFA in charge of the next A-League either for the entire season or at least part of it.

Professional Footballers’ Association chief executive John Didulica says the clubs and federations need to strike a deal: “We’ll never have a better opportunity to strike a deal that can genuinely balance the game’s objectives. Otherwise the losers will be the players and the fans.”

Clubs claim the league cannot go through another season like 2018-19, which was hit by a small fall in attendances but a major drop in broadcast ratings on both Fox Sports and the Ten Network.

Owners have implored the stakeholders to agree to a deal that would see the owners have control of the league and pay a percentage of revenue annually to FFA or the member federations.

The A-League clubs wanted to retain 90 per cent of TV revenue, leaving FFA with 10 per cent. The head body was demanding as much as 18.5 per cent and has the support of a number of member federations who are reliant on financial support from FFA.

The FFA board is believed to have moved closer to the position held by the clubs since former chairman Steven Lowy vacated the role last October.

Moar derbiez

And more byes. Enjoying your FFA nuvo new dawners?

who is this guy? 

It is the local '''look at me everybody !" on this forum . Every forum has one .It has nothing to contribute ...just the same stupid phrase that has no meaning .

Western Sydney Wanderers chairman Paul Lederer, who is also the chairman of the clubs’ association, said it would be “catastrophic” for the A-League to experience another season under FFA management

Says it all really

So what are the new mobs big plans to "save" the league next season?