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AJF - 23 May 2019 4:43 PM
Feed_The_Brox - 23 May 2019 3:08 PM

What is FFA compliant and how does Glen Willow with its 1K seating comply (WSW played there against BR in R4 this season) If Knights Stadium doesnt comply, why has it been used for numerous FFA cup matches?

FFA cup and A-League regional rounds have lower stadium requirements than regular A-League matches (and later FFA cup matches)

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Waz - 31 Mar 2019 8:30 AM
The FFA are cock heads. 18.5% and then they want a royalty? How about the oat clubs compensation when they take their players for international duty instead?

The FFA Cant fund them selves.


So where should the 56 million a year in tv rights money should go? I am asking anyone
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Melbcityguy - 20 May 2019 6:25 AM
Get rid of the salary cap lads 

and that would be a dumb Idea trying to make the comp even and competitive.


You got a spare 200 million to buy an A-league club? Come on got spend 200 million on your own money then! lol
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mouflonrouge - 31 Mar 2019 1:14 PM
nomates - 31 Mar 2019 1:13 PM

Not when there is an extra ACL place for an Aussie Team and a cool 3 million.

Bingo....

Nothing against the New Zealand sides.

When it comes to ACL, We need a 14 team and 26 round competition 
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Razor Ramon - 23 May 2019 5:08 PM
Waz - 31 Mar 2019 8:30 AM

The FFA Cant fund them selves.


So where should the 56 million a year in tv rights money should go? I am asking anyone

They won't need 56M as they won't be running the HAL, W-league or Youth League. So they will need 56M minus whatever they spend running, staffing and marketing those leagues. 
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libel - 23 May 2019 5:05 PM
bluebird - 23 May 2019 4:52 PM

So what are the new mobs big plans to "save" the league next season?

Football had good intentions after the reform but since season 6 it has been little more then a stale and redundant Australian model and fighting over whose pockets get the most money

I dont see any change to be honest unless the independent body is run by international expertise. People hired to find solutions, not vindicate the status quo




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bluebird - 23 May 2019 5:41 PM
libel - 23 May 2019 5:05 PM

Football had good intentions after the reform but since season 6 it has been little more then a stale and redundant Australian model and fighting over whose pockets get the most money

I dont see any change to be honest unless the independent body is run by international expertise. People hired to find solutions, not vindicate the status quo

One big change is the clubs owning their own IP. This is an important change. The franchise model means that clubs are heavily restricted on how and what they can market. Clubs aren't even allowed to setup their own websites. The ability to take their image in their own direction for their specific market is a change that should not be understated. 
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someguyjc - 23 May 2019 5:24 PM
Razor Ramon - 23 May 2019 5:08 PM

They won't need 56M as they won't be running the HAL, W-league or Youth League. So they will need 56M minus whatever they spend running, staffing and marketing those leagues. 

good luck with that. if the A-league owners got their way,  then its the inmates running the asylum
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#ALeague clubs fear another season under FFA control thanks to State Feds by @JohnStensholt 
John Stensholt12:00AM May 23, 2019
Wanderers chairman Paul Lederer doesn’t want another A-League season under FFA control
Wanderers chairman Paul Lederer doesn’t want another A-League season under FFA control
Concerns are mounting that soccer officials will fail to strike a deal to make the A-League independent of governing body Football Federation Australia by a June 30 deadline, with clubs and state federations at loggerheads.
Clubs have warned, if they do not wrest control of the league, it could experience another season of declining popularity and put at risk future sponsorship and commercial deals.
Western Sydney Wanderers chairman Paul Lederer, who is also the chairman of the clubs’ association, said it would be “catastrophic” for the A-League to experience another season under FFA management.
The looming June 30 deadline has galvanised the sport’s state and member federations, who have the majority say in a vote on a deal and are determined to extract financial and corporate governance concessions from the clubs.
Those include possible compensation flowing to the member federations, who are arguing for board representation on an independent league, a certain percentage of the league remaining owned by FFA and even club owners having to pay compensation to states when they sell their clubs.
Other sticking points between the clubs and federations remain the share from the $346 million TV revenue from Fox Sports, which still has four seasons to run on the current deal, commercial rights, ownership of intellectual property, structure of the new competition and the relationship between professional clubs and the game’s grassroots.

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T1m - 23 May 2019 5:06 PM
AJF - 23 May 2019 4:43 PM

FFA cup and A-League regional rounds have lower stadium requirements than regular A-League matches (and later FFA cup matches)

A-league standard? You're having a larf

SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia's players' union has joined Melbourne Victory boss Kevin Muscat in denouncing the "dangerous" Sydney Cricket Ground (SCG) pitch after a player suffered a knee injury during an A-League match against Sydney FC on Saturday night.
 https://www.sbs.com.au/news/uproar-after-injury-on-deplorable-sydney-cricket-ground-pitch



Jets' pitch 'a disgrace'


https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/jets-pitch-a-disgrace-20101026-172gn.html










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AJF - 24 May 2019 8:03 AM
T1m - 23 May 2019 5:06 PM

A-league standard? You're having a larf

SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia's players' union has joined Melbourne Victory boss Kevin Muscat in denouncing the "dangerous" Sydney Cricket Ground (SCG) pitch after a player suffered a knee injury during an A-League match against Sydney FC on Saturday night.
 https://www.sbs.com.au/news/uproar-after-injury-on-deplorable-sydney-cricket-ground-pitch



Jets' pitch 'a disgrace'


https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/jets-pitch-a-disgrace-20101026-172gn.html


There is more to a stadium then the grass

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And this is why we should have let FIFA come in and sort this process out for us. FMD







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T1m - 24 May 2019 8:49 AM
AJF - 24 May 2019 8:03 AM

There is more to a stadium then the grass

Except that the game is actually played on the grass, but hey why go to the football to watch the game when you can admire the empty stadium...









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A-League: Fox Football expert Mark Bosnich has made a desperate plea to state football federations across the country, warning 'time is not on our side' to save the A-League.https://www.foxsports.com.au/video/football/a-league/bozzas-a-league-plea!731887?fbclid=IwAR0apHh33m5K9zU0BZakFn4RPsFg2GhkkgKoGQEXNsDbalSIld1KeYqQ6O4

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Razor Ramon - 23 May 2019 5:14 PM
mouflonrouge - 31 Mar 2019 1:14 PM

Bingo....

Nothing against the New Zealand sides.

When it comes to ACL, We need a 14 team and 26 round competition 

14 teams with only 26 games is a disaster for player development don't you realise that? 
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Barca4Life - 24 May 2019 10:58 AM
Razor Ramon - 23 May 2019 5:14 PM

14 teams with only 26 games is a disaster for player development don't you realise that? 

That's right, the league needs Wellington more then Wellington needs to the league. Nix should be allowed to play in the ACL anyway when this new independent league is done.


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nomates - 24 May 2019 11:11 AM
That's right, the league needs Wellington more then Wellington needs to the league. 

yeah nah
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Blew.2 - 24 May 2019 10:09 AM
A-League: Fox Football expert Mark Bosnich has made a desperate plea to state football federations across the country, warning 'time is not on our side' to save the A-League.https://www.foxsports.com.au/video/football/a-league/bozzas-a-league-plea!731887?fbclid=IwAR0apHh33m5K9zU0BZakFn4RPsFg2GhkkgKoGQEXNsDbalSIld1KeYqQ6O4

Love it. Bozza squaring off at the state feds. Quite rightly highlighting the amount of investment fox sports and the clubs have put into the game... where the state feds have invested very little. Yet for some godforsaken reason they hold the power they do. All with their own agenda, not will to put the good of the game first.  
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nomates - 24 May 2019 11:11 AM
Barca4Life - 24 May 2019 10:58 AM

That's right, the league needs Wellington more then Wellington needs to the league. Nix should be allowed to play in the ACL anyway when this new independent league is done.

Let me think about that for a minute!

Nope!

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nomates - 24 May 2019 11:11 AM
Barca4Life - 24 May 2019 10:58 AM

That's right, the league needs Wellington more then Wellington needs to the league. Nix should be allowed to play in the ACL anyway when this new independent league is done.

Except it won't be the heads of the new independent league which makes that decision, it's the AFC.




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Apparently Aussie teams are too shit to maintain their ACL spots anyway.
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Barca4Life - 24 May 2019 10:58 AM
Razor Ramon - 23 May 2019 5:14 PM

14 teams with only 26 games is a disaster for player development don't you realise that? 

how so? 

each side plays each of the 13 opponents twice.

Have the international breaks. Dont play A-league matches during friendlies.

you can let the A-league season go from september until April or may.


You want Clive Palmer running an A-league club? that is what I call a disaster



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Melbcityguy - 20 May 2019 6:25 AM
Get rid of the salary cap lads 

Yeah and Bankrupt the A-league.

Salary cap is there for a reason. I think there is a word you are unfamiliar with. that word is budget.




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someguyjc - 23 May 2019 3:43 PM
nomates - 23 May 2019 3:40 PM

A-League clubs fear another season under FFA control
Concerns are mounting that soccer officials will fail to strike a deal to make the A-League independent of governing body Football Federation Australia by a June 30 deadline, with clubs and state federations at loggerheads.

Clubs have warned, if they do not wrest control of the league, it could experience another season of declining popularity and put at risk future sponsorship and commercial deals.

Western Sydney Wanderers chairman Paul Lederer, who is also the chairman of the clubs’ association, said it would be “catastrophic” for the A-League to experience another season under FFA management.

The looming June 30 deadline has galvanised the sport’s state and member federations, who have the majority say in a vote on a deal and are determined to extract financial and corporate governance concessions from the clubs.

Those include possible compensation flowing to the member federations, who are arguing for board representation on an independent league, a certain percentage of the league remaining owned by FFA and even club owners having to pay compensation to states when they sell their clubs.

Other sticking points between the clubs and federations remain the share from the $346 million TV revenue from Fox Sports, which still has four seasons to run on the current deal, commercial rights, ownership of intellectual property, structure of the new competition and the relationship between professional clubs and the game’s grassroots.

The states are also worried they will be left without access to future revenue streams once existing rights and sponsorship agreements expire. They want a portion of revenue to keep flowing to the wider game in the long-term.

The demands have upset club owners, who have incurred $350m in losses since the A-League was established in 2005.

They argue they deserve a bigger say in how the league is operated and that, by using their business acumen, can strike better sponsorship and broadcast deals and run the league more efficiently.

Meetings involving the clubs, FFA, member federations and other stakeholders are set for next week, with the clubs imploring the parties to find common ground.

“We all know it has to happen, so it should happen,” Wanderers chairman Paul Lederer says.

“We need people to put aside ego and power. It is not worth thinking about the consequences if we don’t meet this deadline.”

The clubs have argued they should take control over both their own and the league’s intellectual property for little or no compensation — a major sticking point for the states.

The two sides are said to be a reasonable way off a deal, meaning the June 30 deadline agreed by FFA chairman Chris Nikou could come and go without an agreement being struck, leaving the FFA in charge of the next A-League either for the entire season or at least part of it.

Professional Footballers’ Association chief executive John Didulica says the clubs and federations need to strike a deal: “We’ll never have a better opportunity to strike a deal that can genuinely balance the game’s objectives. Otherwise the losers will be the players and the fans.”

Clubs claim the league cannot go through another season like 2018-19, which was hit by a small fall in attendances but a major drop in broadcast ratings on both Fox Sports and the Ten Network.

Owners have implored the stakeholders to agree to a deal that would see the owners have control of the league and pay a percentage of revenue annually to FFA or the member federations.

The A-League clubs wanted to retain 90 per cent of TV revenue, leaving FFA with 10 per cent. The head body was demanding as much as 18.5 per cent and has the support of a number of member federations who are reliant on financial support from FFA.

The FFA board is believed to have moved closer to the position held by the clubs since former chairman Steven Lowy vacated the role last October.

So the A-league clubs want 90% of the 56 million dollar a year tv rights money? So thats $5.6 million left for the FFA. So 50.4 million divided among the 10 A-league clubs or $5,000,000 for each Club. Salary cap this season is $2.9 million that means the club owners have $2.1 million left.

Now.... will those A-league owners invest that money back into the club or pocket the money for themselves?

Now imagine if you divide that 50.4 million into 12 teams. thats $4,200,000 per club.

If it was 14 teams. Divide that 50.4 million into 14 teams and thats $3,600,000 per club. 3.6 million per club in a 14 team A-league....

Peronally I couldnt care less about the crowd drop. TV ratings is king.

Look at Bournemouth in the EPL they have a 12,000 seat arena. Their biggest source of money is the 85-90 million pounds of tv rights money.
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Well it's not happening - FFA n Feds move on to Div 2?
NLWG cornered - Will need FIFA to step back in

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Razor Ramon - 25 May 2019 4:30 AM
someguyjc - 23 May 2019 3:43 PM

So the A-league clubs want 90% of the 56 million dollar a year tv rights money? So thats $5.6 million left for the FFA. So 50.4 million divided among the 10 A-league clubs or $5,000,000 for each Club. Salary cap this season is $2.9 million that means the club owners have $2.1 million left.

Now.... will those A-league owners invest that money back into the club or pocket the money for themselves?

Now imagine if you divide that 50.4 million into 12 teams. thats $4,200,000 per club.

If it was 14 teams. Divide that 50.4 million into 14 teams and thats $3,600,000 per club. 3.6 million per club in a 14 team A-league....

Peronally I couldnt care less about the crowd drop. TV ratings is king.

Look at Bournemouth in the EPL they have a 12,000 seat arena. Their biggest source of money is the 85-90 million pounds of tv rights money.

If there’s one thing that is getting clearer, our days of significant TV money are coming to an end. The last rights deal is likely the high water mark for us, with Foxtel now beginning to back away.

There has also apparently been some concern that an independent HAL may well void the current rights deal, giving Foxtel an even quicker way out.

The game will need to fond new avenues to boost revenue. In a sports market as crowded as ours though, that’s not going to be easy. 
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Nix have been given the green light to go ahead and sign players on two year contracts, Independent League can’t cum soon enough.

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Heart_fan - 21 Jun 2019 11:37 PM
Razor Ramon - 25 May 2019 4:30 AM

There has also apparently been some concern that an independent HAL may well void the current rights deal, giving Foxtel an even quicker way out.

The game will need to fond new avenues to boost revenue. In a sports market as crowded as ours though, that’s not going to be easy. 

I've read this a few times, just can't believe it's a legal possibility.

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bettega - 22 Jun 2019 10:04 AM
Heart_fan - 21 Jun 2019 11:37 PM

I've read this a few times, just can't believe it's a legal possibility.

It will depend on what’s in the contract. If there is a provision for the contract to be assigned to another party then there will be not problem. If there isn’t a provision then the Fox contract is with FFA only and cant be assigned to another party, particularly if new HAL company is a completely seperate entity. In all likely hood FFA didn’t envisage a split so there may not have been the allowance so Fox could by rights renegotiate with new owner of HAL. 








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