122k watched pre game of Motogp on 10 bold, was that the end of extra time (last 15-20 mins) of Melbourne City vs Adelaide? Race started at 10 I believe

Why do we care how many watched moto GP?

Should we try and make our game more like MotoGP?

My point was that the a league final overlapped into scheduled pre show of moto gp. Therefore the 122k recorded could be last 20 mins of adelaide melbourne city game.

Fair enough, Im just so used to people trying to find negatives. Sorry.

Extra time is usually higher

90+ minutes of football is not appetising, People might flip over from time to time to see whose winning and arent really engaged throughout the whole game

But when it comes to extra time they know they only have to commit to 30 minutes and somebody is going to win, or penalties which can be nail biting

I think you'll find in most games extra time is significantly higher than regular time. Its just a shame the City defence was predictably carved apart in the last minute (I called the goal from when the Adelaide player got the ball on the wing). If it went to penalties the ratings would have been even higher

Don't really want to talk about AFL, but there's a comment about streaming that got my attention.

A Sports Industry tweet is quoting something from Ch 7: "AFLW TV & Streaming audiences up 60%, AFL audiences up 16% overall. Take it from Channel 7 direct."

Unfortunately, no break down of the streaming numbers - would love to finally see some concrete evidence of where we are at with streaming.

Gallop talked about this on his radio interview last week. while fox won't release Kayo figures, he said streaming numbers were good on the my football app. so why not release those figures? 

It would be nice to get some idea of them.

It gets very tiresome trying to avoid the negative drivel constantly posted.  It might explain why the traffic in this forum is more dire than the HAL ratings.

I'd say the HAL ratings are worse :laugh:

https://tvblackbox.com.au/page/2019/5/7/opening-weekend-of-a-league-finals-fails-to-find-an-audience-as-afl-and-nrl-experience-ratings-lull?format=non-amp

Epl 77k says it all. 

there was a cops repeat on between the final and the motogp.

Woweeeeeeeeeee

The market is there.

A League has failed to engage this market and we all know why.

My barber is mad about EPL. Went to one A League game (Roar) this year and regretted that too. He said it was shit.

You post this as their is no doubt that this market exist on a weekly round of matches basic.

I wanta believe its true.

Your post and other posts indicates to get this market is quite easy to get as simple as a full FIFA model or similar is introduced.

Do you have anything to convince me you are right that their is this mega huge Football market that if we did a couple of things we would crush all before us... I want you to be right BTW...

TBF just look at participation numbers.

And all the people in Eurosnob merch everywhere you look.

No I don't have anything to convince you that I am right.

The only evidence I can point you towards is basically what is occurring tangibly, such as:

1) the A League is definitely in some kind of decline
2) interest is waning
3) we are not producing as much talent

So we have a problem.

We can tackle it a number of ways, and we can do nothing. Doing nothing will not solve our problems.

Now I can also point you to the rest of the world who do have a FIFA model, bar the USA. Even obscure countries like Syria, Egypt, and even minnows like Malta, Iceland, Cyprus and so on. And they pack a bigger punch than Australia does.

I'm not advocating the total destruction of Aussie Football but we do need to get back to basics. we need to adhere and agree on basic principles such as:
1) opening a true pyramid
2) Second Division
3) incorporating old soccer
4) Promotion/Relegation (I am sure we are all tired of CCM and teams like them)

Let's give everyone something to play for is surely a step in the right direction rather than disenfranchising the market. I can't prove to you that it is going to solve all the problems. I'm not a magician. But it is a step in the right direction.

Mid,  There is a very large football market in Sydney but it's not tied to the NPL clubs and never was.  It's tied to the clubs in the District Associations.  There is nearly 200k currently playing the game competitively there and allowing for the churn there are another 600k+ that have played the game competitively there at some time over the last 15 years.  Work with that market and there will be enough fans for however many elite tiers we have.

Very true.  And I would say that the market you identified would be receptive to following the elite tiers if clubs made the effort.

Just in reply to the posts above.

Deep in my soul I want everything you posted to be right and I have followed and attended Football matches for close to 62 years, my teams over the years, Auburn, Blacktown Demons, Northern Spirit, Mariners... played from aged 4 to 61, ... coached for over 30 years sat as a committee of a park club and did heaps of volunteer work for over 15 years...  

Let me acknowledge we have the player numbers, always have had... let me acknowledge on big matches in local time zones we get massive ratings... let me acknowledge lots and lots of support for many overseas clubs not only European... 

Let me say for the record, the last few years of Hal management was beyond poor and has led to many of our current issues.

For the record and many times I have said I want 32 teams across two divisions both male and female with P & R between them, and FFA funded well enough to properly fund our 9 national teams and development programs as well as represent Football issues to government.

Meaning as I see it, we have similar outcomes we want.

My question is the assumptions many make on the path to get to the above and the assumptions of the support Football has in Australia and the assumptions relating to revenue etc...

But mostly I question the assumption there is some massive untapped Football market that will watch weekly matches over a season. Which will pay for the above.

I don't see the market that you guys see ... 

I see the issue is much much much deeper down tree... I see a huge player base that Football has ignored for decades... please don't tell me the NSL tried to engage, nor did competitions that proceeded the NSL.

For me the answer has always been how to engage the player base and convince them to watch Football over other codes because at its core that is where the revenue will come from... and the answer to the player base is the regional associations and their park teams... 

My reading of the tea leafs is their is a """"potential football market""" but we have to earn it and its not there now.... and creating a few more teams is not the answer 

  

They dont need to be convinced to watch football over other codes, they need to be convinced to watch football in addition to other codes.  This forum is really bad at seeing this as a zero sum contest.  Here in WA, almost everybody I know that follows the A league (or any comp) also follows the AFL.  I would go even further.  Standing on the sidelines watching my sons games, talking to other fathers, the conversations about sport were mostly AFL (admittedly, this is during AFL season, and not the A-league).  If this becomes a `Your with us or against us sort of deal, its the A league that will lose.  It may even be easier to get an AFL fan into the A-league than a eurosnob.  The AFL fan could see it as the AFL off-season sport of choice, where the eurosnob would see it as slumming down.

We've reached stage where people need to choose.  We've learned from experience that people can't follow the AFL and then pretend to be football fans.

Uhhhh, what?

No market there apparently

wot? I follow an AFL team. Victory and football will always come first though (and I hope its the same for all lovers of football). You can follow both. However, I do concede that the arrogance and the bullying of the AFL is offputting. its certainly makes me gravitate towards football further and further. 

yeah the fans can definley coexist it's just some flogs in the media and bogans that give them all a bad name i am pretty sure the players would of been watching the champions league and the socceroos.  

It would appear that walking and chewing gum at the same time is a stretch too far for some.

there comes a time when you have to draw a line in the sand
no more mr nice guy