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baggygreenmania - 26 Nov 2018 1:04 PM
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Not that I am putting these blokes in the same category as those greats.. but you could well ask who were Ponting, Steve Waugh and Adam Gilchrist when they were first chosen for a Baggy Green cap. Unless you listened to the radio or read it in the paper  you did not have much idea..outside of actually going to the game..who was making a name for themselves at domestic level back in those days.. Bancroft and Harris played Uder 19s if not mistaken. But the avereag Joe would not know that unless they actually followed their careers. I do today.. but not when Ponting, Gilly  and Waugh came onto the scene.

It is my understanding that Ponting was followed as a school kid after Tasmania Cricket had to change all sorts of youth and junior rules because he wasn't getting out...

As for Steve Waugh - despite debuting in 1985 he took until the 1989 Ashes to get fan acceptance - and even then he was still in and out until 1992 or so? There was 1990/91 for his brother - and I think it happened again later...

But this isn't India's talent list - this list is India's current international squad!!!! I included no A players, nor Pandey nor Raina. I didn't even include Ahmed because I think he sucks. This is literally their talent pool for picking ODI and test teams from right now... They have more intl ready talent than anyone. I didn't even include Iyer who averages over 40 after 6 ODI's (probably because I forgot about him as him and Shaw are being billed as the next generation...)

Between the IPL, the Duleep, the A tours and all their intl games each year - India has assembled a mass of true intl level quality players. By contrast - excluding Saffir eligibility timers: NZ has one intl quality batsman not in the side, and arguably one in the team who should not be there...

England has no batting reserves* - at all... All rounders and wicket keepers - they got plenty...

Safrica's batting reserves appear light. And with Amla's decline and ABdV's retirment - problematic... I think they're one min if not two short now in their best test team unlesss some star debutante steps up.

WI are a batsman short in their main teams at least in Powell. And this is giving Chase, S Hope, Hetmeyer and Braithwaite a lot of generous credit...

SL and Bangladesh seem to be carrying spuds - Mahumudullah as captain of the Bangas - what is his playing role? - but in fairness to SL - I just don't follow their players enough to pass fair comment. I mean I follow Chandimal and Mathews, but most of the new names I know nothing about. Its been a long time since Saama, Jaya, Sanga, Tirrii, Dilshan - and you could see depth by who was left out. Now I don't.

Eng has Hales in odi, but they have no test spares at all... And Jennings has only ever looked good in Asia so far..
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Sri Lanka had circa 100 runs to win, with England needing three wickets for a clean sweep of a three Test series.
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Shah has reinstated your Black Caps back to earth Paddles. All out 90. 
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Took ten wickets in a day

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baggygreenmania - 27 Nov 2018 8:55 AM
Shah has reinstated your Black Caps back to earth Paddles. All out 90. 

I'm not sure the Black Caps ever left earth, but he sliced straight the Black Caps. Tbf, this collapse was rather predictable, and I did do so before the start of the day's play on cricforum. 

NZ were epic fools for playing an unchanged XI. As I said on here before the second test, Sodhi had to be dropped and replaced by a finger spinner, and elsewhere I said Will Young should come in for a lengthened batting order. Hopefully he is on the first plane over there right now. I hate being right at times.

Selectors and their "don't change a winning team mentality" is stupid. If a team wins despite glaring faults, remedy the faults so as to keep winning...



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Poms win three test series against Sri Lanka, in Sri Lanka, 3-0.
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Keyboard Warrior - 27 Nov 2018 10:07 PM
Poms win three test series against Sri Lanka, in Sri Lanka, 3-0.

That is a turn up for the books. Stokes is evidently getting plenty of praise. He did not score all that many runs but the Lankans are saying that he pulled off some vital plays in the field and  took some vital wickets. Always said he is better suited to the shorter formats. From what I heard and I did watch a little.. their spin pair of Leach and Rashid were the driving force behind the wins. That and the huge loss of spin maestro Herath early in the series.
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Paddles - 27 Nov 2018 9:39 AM
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I'm not sure the Black Caps ever left earth, but he sliced straight the Black Caps. Tbf, this collapse was rather predictable, and I did do so before the start of the day's play on cricforum. 

NZ were epic fools for playing an unchanged XI. As I said on here before the second test, Sodhi had to be dropped and replaced by a finger spinner, and elsewhere I said Will Young should come in for a lengthened batting order. Hopefully he is on the first plane over there right now. I hate being right at times.

Selectors and their "don't change a winning team mentality" is stupid. If a team wins despite glaring faults, remedy the faults so as to keep winning...



Still your BCs made a good first of the second innings. Showed real character to comeback from that humiliation.
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baggygreenmania - 28 Nov 2018 8:57 AM
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Still your BCs made a good first of the second innings. Showed real character to comeback from that humiliation.

Team needed more batting and less Sodhi. I called it before the match.

NZC Selectors are dumb.
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baggygreenmania - 28 Nov 2018 8:55 AM
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That is a turn up for the books. Stokes is evidently getting plenty of praise. He did not score all that many runs but the Lankans are saying that he pulled off some vital plays in the field and  took some vital wickets. Always said he is better suited to the shorter formats. From what I heard and I did watch a little.. their spin pair of Leach and Rashid were the driving force behind the wins. That and the huge loss of spin maestro Herath early in the series.

Wow that is harsh on Ali. He took 18 wickets at 24.5. It was very much a spin trio :P

Herath was barely keeping his place in the team of late and was given a farewell retirement test. Perera, Dananjaya andSandankan all had better years than Herath, with Pushpakumara not that far behind.

This was a 3 match test series. Over 100 wickets feel to spin. A world record.

 If Sri Lanka ever gets a good seamer and they lose him, that will be a huge loss.



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baggygreenmania - 28 Nov 2018 8:55 AM
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That is a turn up for the books. Stokes is evidently getting plenty of praise. He did not score all that many runs but the Lankans are saying that he pulled off some vital plays in the field and  took some vital wickets. Always said he is better suited to the shorter formats. From what I heard and I did watch a little.. their spin pair of Leach and Rashid were the driving force behind the wins. That and the huge loss of spin maestro Herath early in the series.

It is interesting  to read your post about the Sri Lankans' view of Stokes, Baggers.
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Kane Williamson keeps writing his legacy. His composure has ensured the Black Caps will post a competitive score to kick off the Third UAE Test.  Wattling offered good support as per usual.

A major talking point this side of  the ditch.. is the inclusion of  former Blues off spinner Will Somerville in the Black Caps lineup. Will played several years for the Blues but was never able to cement a permanent spot. Will, who was evidently eligible to play for both Australia and NZ.. obviously aspired to play international cricket. When CA did not come calling I suspect NZ Cricket pounced and signed him.  I always rated Will with his classic off spin action but a bowling spot in the Baggy Greens was never going to happen while we had the GOAT occupying the off spinner's role. So a year on and the big fellar is now making his Test debut at 34. Well done Will.
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baggygreenmania - 4 Dec 2018 10:24 AM
Kane Williamson keeps writing his legacy. His composure has ensured the Black Caps will post a competitive score to kick off the Third UAE Test.  Wattling offered good support as per usual.

A major talking point this side of  the ditch.. is the inclusion of  former Blues off spinner Will Somerville in the Black Caps lineup. Will played several years for the Blues but was never able to cement a permanent spot. Will, who was evidently eligible to play for both Australia and NZ.. obviously aspired to play international cricket. When CA did not come calling I suspect NZ Cricket pounced and signed him.  I always rated Will with his classic off spin action but a bowling spot in the Baggy Greens was never going to happen while we had the GOAT occupying the off spinner's role. So a year on and the big fellar is now making his Test debut at 34. Well done Will.

Will, born in NZ, played 3 years of FC in NZ from 2005-08 when he went to Uni at Otago, and because he never rep'd Australia - was always eligible for NZ as well (more or less). 

He showed very good composure with the bat. And I am hopeful he bowls with good control. I wanted him in for the last test. I've not seen him bowl that I recall. But with Santner and Tastle injured, and Sodhi just not test standard, Patel needed support that was better. Sommerville has very good stats for an NZ/Aus FC career. Mid 20-s is not to be jeered at. So I am hopeful for him. 

Right now - he just needs to try and bat and hour two with Watling as NZ seek to post 300. The ball was turning dquare on day 1 from their off spinner. Believe it or not, Somerville's batting right now could be as influential as his bowling. Because Watling is not a dasher. And Pakistan will not have a FC innings collapse on their hands, they do it in the second innings... but there may noit be a 4th if NZC do not enough runs first up. Because this pitch is getting worse... and the NZC top and middle order was horrid...
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Will, born in NZ, played 3 years of FC in NZ from 2005-08 when he went to Uni at Otago, and because he never rep'd Australia - was always eligible for NZ as well (more or less). 

He showed very good composure with the bat. And I am hopeful he bowls with good control. I wanted him in for the last test. I've not seen him bowl that I recall. But with Santner and Tastle injured, and Sodhi just not test standard, Patel needed support that was better. Sommerville has very good stats for an NZ/Aus FC career. Mid 20-s is not to be jeered at. So I am hopeful for him. 

Right now - he just needs to try and bat and hour two with Watling as NZ seek to post 300. The ball was turning dquare on day 1 from their off spinner. Believe it or not, Somerville's batting right now could be as influential as his bowling. Because Watling is not a dasher. And Pakistan will not have a FC innings collapse on their hands, they do it in the second innings... but there may noit be a 4th if NZC do not enough runs first up. Because this pitch is getting worse... and the NZC top and middle order was horrid...

Came to OZ while a child. Returned to NZ in 2005. Back in Oz where he entered Sydney Uni or was it UNSW? It was from there that he was chosen for the Blues. He must have graduated before returning to his birth country. Was wondering what he was learning.

Will hung around with Watling for 99 balls. Boult strikes early with a double. Gee hes a good bowler. Wish we had a lefty with his ability.
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Came to OZ while a child. Returned to NZ in 2005. Back in Oz where he entered Sydney Uni or was it UNSW? It was from there that he was chosen for the Blues. He must have graduated before returning to his birth country. Was wondering what he was learning.

Will hung around with Watling for 99 balls. Boult strikes early with a double. Gee hes a good bowler. Wish we had a lefty with his ability.

Moved to Aus after 9 years of age,

He went to Uni in NZ at Otago (possibly 2002 or 2003 I'd imagine), played FC for 3 years playing  from 2005 - 08 then back to Sydney after graduating after a couple of years in England...

https://www.nzc.nz/news-items/will-somerville-replaces-todd-astle-in-blackcaps-test-squad

According to Wiki he is an accountant...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Somerville_(cricketer)

By my rough maths, he equalish time in NZ and Aus with 2 years in England... and was NZC academy...

Came back to NZ at the end of last season...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjnuIgpIFwg

He is very much a modern day journeyman...

NZC has a tone Safricans on a timer that kiwi fans cannot wait to see in international. Rippon, Nofal, Foxcroft, Conway - we have stacks of them over here. :-)
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Paddles - 4 Dec 2018 8:48 PM
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Nah - he went to Uni in NZ at Otago (possibly 2002 or 2003 I'd imagine), played FC for 3 years playing  from 2005 - then back to Sydney after graduating after a couple of years in England...

https://www.nzc.nz/news-items/will-somerville-replaces-todd-astle-in-blackcaps-test-squad

According to Wiki he is an accountant...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Somerville_(cricketer)

By my rough maths, he equalish time in NZ and Aus with 2 years in England... and was NZC academy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjnuIgpIFwg

He is very much a modern day journeyman...

He's not getting much spin - that I will say...

4 overs 0/6 - seems to go for flight and accuracy so far..

The slower he bowls , the better he looks, but he's bowling too fast at the moment. 

Still - seems to have far more control than Sodhi...
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I saw Somerville bowl last summer in the big bash. It was obviously pretty flat and fast, he didn't flight too many. I think he's more of an economy bowler than a wicket taker. 
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I saw Somerville bowl last summer in the big bash. It was obviously pretty flat and fast, he didn't flight too many. I think he's more of an economy bowler than a wicket taker. 

4/75 off 36 (incl 3 batsmen) - and bowler during a run out - I'lll take it.

Definitely an improvement on Sodhi...

I agree that think he bowls too fast (too much time on roads). But his economy is due to his control (possibly as a result). He can hit a line and not overpitch or bowl short.

He can turn it nicely when he slows it down.

Very good debut - if he had played the last test - this series may have already been NZ's...

As I predicted he would - he bowled more overs than Ajaz - so he already has the captain's trust...
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KW has got NZ into a good position here.

Lead 119 - plenty of wickets in hand - but only 4 sessions left after this one.

Will he play for the guaranteed draw... or look to snag a win?

(The problem isn't KW - SR 66 - it is Nicholls SR 37
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Black Caps are thanking god for Kane Williamson.
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So NZ upped the ante from ball 1, NZ slogged 81 runs in 9 overs or so... Declared... Set 280 in 79 overs.

NZC had Pakistan 5 down by Lunch... Just good bowling.

Then Pakistan rallied a bit... But NZC got it done with over 30 overs to spare. 

England white washed SL, NZ beat Pakistan in UAE, now which SENA will conquer the Indian* Everest...


*Bangladesh ain't been beaten at home in a while neither...
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Congrats on our Kiwi cuzzies taking out the UAE series. 

Master stroke to pick Will Somerville by the Black Caps. I feel he had the game to be Australia's off spinner had Lyon not been there.
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baggygreenmania - 8 Dec 2018 9:08 AM
Congrats on our Kiwi cuzzies taking out the UAE series. 

Master stroke to pick Will Somerville by the Black Caps. I feel he had the game to be Australia's off spinner had Lyon not been there.

  I take my hat off to the Kiwis too.

They are showing us up.
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baggygreenmania - 8 Dec 2018 9:08 AM
Congrats on our Kiwi cuzzies taking out the UAE series. 

Master stroke to pick Will Somerville by the Black Caps. I feel he had the game to be Australia's off spinner had Lyon not been there.

Chances are this could be his only test. Or he could play next week. Noone knows...

Todd Astle (leggie with batting) and Mitch Santner (r /os with batting) are 1 and 2, then Ajaz Patel (lo) at 3, Somerville (r o/s) overtook Sodhi to goto #4.

The selectors have a really tough decision now.  But I think NZ wants some batting at 8 - so Astle and Santner are possibly favoured. 
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They’d be well advised to stick with somerville. He’s been excellent. Haha a first class average of 27 with the ball and he played for NSW in the Sheffield Shield. Patel also a good option.


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Lastbroadcast - 9 Dec 2018 9:26 AM
They’d be well advised to stick with somerville. He’s been excellent. Haha a first class average of 27 with the ball and he played for NSW in the Sheffield Shield. Patel also a good option.

I don't think Patel is a good option. He's good for a dustbowl. NZ is very different. We only have half a wicket block noted for spin, and that half rarely if ever gets used for tests...

(Literally the block has two different soils and is divided in half down the middle - Seddon Park Hamilton)

Somerville bowls very fast.. When he bowls slow, he is quite delightful to watch. But that is his cariation ball not his stock ball - easy to change though.

Todd Astle is our best option as a leggie who bats, but he's always freaking injured...
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baggygreenmania - 7 Dec 2018 9:05 AM
Black Caps are thanking god for Kane Williamson.

One of the Tas Crick Assoc members is a former Shield Vice Captain and subsequently a state selector. He finds fault in nearly every batter's technique.

Williamson is one of the few whose technique is close to flawless according to him.
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Paddles - 9 Dec 2018 3:57 PM
Lastbroadcast - 9 Dec 2018 9:26 AM

I don't think Patel is a good option. He's good for a dustbowl. NZ is very different. We only have half a wicket block noted for spin, and that half rarely if ever gets used for tests...

(Literally the block has two different soils and is divided in half down the middle - Seddon Park Hamilton)

Somerville bowls very fast.. When he bowls slow, he is quite delightful to watch. But that is his cariation ball not his stock ball - easy to change though.

Todd Astle is our best option as a leggie who bats, but he's always freaking injured...

There are some very scenic venues I've seen on TV in NZ.

The crowds are often disappointing though.
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There are some very scenic venues I've seen on TV in NZ.

The crowds are often disappointing though.

NZ crowds are generally terrible unless England or Australia are here, even then that's really only good for the limited overs crowds.

SL and Ind basically get the home crowd advantage when played in the more populated NZ regions and cities.

The holiday venues over christmas do put a decent crowd - but its typically the "B" tour with the "A" tour in March (India, Aus, Eng, SA). This year our A tour is Bangladesh... :-(
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Lastbroadcast - 9 Dec 2018 9:26 AM
They’d be well advised to stick with somerville. He’s been excellent. Haha a first class average of 27 with the ball and he played for NSW in the Sheffield Shield. Patel also a good option.

He's been dropped - I would have gone with Somerville over Patel - but I am not a selector. But I think I would have gone Tastle and Santner as 1 and 2 first...
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