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Interesting comparsions on the two.
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That's huge wraps on Najjarine. I'd heard he was ahead of Azani in the pecking order before injury. Lets hope he is as good.
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thats a big wrap
how did he look in that hour?
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+xthats a big wrap how did he look in that hour? I'll be honest, he was fairly quiet. Was out on the right wing and most of City's attack was going down the left. He did show brief glimpses of his technical ability though I thought, I think it's a case of him just needing minutes to get adjusted to the higher level and his teammates getting more confidence in his creative abilities also.. Definitely seems similar to Arzani in terms of directness but he didn't get too many chances to run with the ball at his feet. He is another youngster who loves a stepover haha. I was just pleased to see McGree, Wales, Atkinson and Najjarine on the pitch for City. McGree was probably the real midfield leader I thought. He really reminds me of Mooy, I think he can be better that Aaron in a few years time.
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Arzani also said the Ramy was ahead of himself
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Ds98
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Two years later. Whats everyones thoughts?
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+xTwo years later. Whats everyones thoughts? He’s played poorly this season. He needs a bit more pace to really threaten. Clearly skilful though, but doesn’t look he has enough minutes in him nor enough confidence
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He may be technically better than Daniel, but the difference is Arzani is built for senior football. More of a Powerful athlete, Najjarine is always going to be that player that dominates in youth league but cant do it against men
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Starting him weekly next season. Didn't see too much of it for Olyroos. Good luck.
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Mombaerts talked about aggression and hunger during the week being a major floor of young Aussie players, Ramy not playing much this season all of a sudden makes sense including his generous cameo in the final tonight. He never looked up for it, was on his heels for any 50/50 that came his way and in general was far too much off the pace.
In saying that Wales and Noone were pretty bloody toothless tonight, so perhaps Melbourne City need to work on wingers for next season full-stop
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+xMombaerts talked about aggression and hunger during the week being a major floor of young Aussie players, Ramy not playing much this season all of a sudden makes sense including his generous cameo in the final tonight. He never looked up for it, was on his heels for any 50/50 that came his way and in general was far too much off the pace. In saying that Wales and Noone were pretty bloody toothless tonight, so perhaps Melbourne City need to work on wingers for next season full-stop Noone was terrible. I thought surprisingly Wales was good tonight. I actually don’t know why they took him off. He was stretching Sydney with his pace and giving King a really hard time. King looked much more comfortable after he went off.
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+x+xMombaerts talked about aggression and hunger during the week being a major floor of young Aussie players, Ramy not playing much this season all of a sudden makes sense including his generous cameo in the final tonight. He never looked up for it, was on his heels for any 50/50 that came his way and in general was far too much off the pace. In saying that Wales and Noone were pretty bloody toothless tonight, so perhaps Melbourne City need to work on wingers for next season full-stop Noone was terrible. I thought surprisingly Wales was good tonight. I actually don’t know why they took him off. He was stretching Sydney with his pace and giving King a really hard time. King looked much more comfortable after he went off. That's true, Wales got past King a few times. Credit where credit is due, King was pretty damn solid tonight overall, great performance from a 19-year- old in a GF.
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I think he's disappointed, I expected better development from him this season considering his potential but as mentioned even though he might be more of a technical player than the likes of Wales and Noone it seems he lacks in a few things mostly mental and physical which the later have and as wingers this is important (Even Arzani has this in some degree)
He looks shy and uncomfortable when he plays, he tends to back away rather than take a lead like Arzani where he's all confidence I cant say the same thing with Najjarine unfortunately.
I can see Mombaerts where he's coming about the lack of aggression and in general risk adversity in Australian players.
He should take hope with Max Burgess a similar player but a few years playing below the aleague in the NPL has done him a world of good to build his confidence and his physical capacity, just another reason why the lack of opportunities and game time has really stunted players from the ages of 17 to 23.
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When someone is compared unfavourably to Lachie Wales, its time for them to get a real job. Wales is fast and flash, but where is the end product?
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+xWhen someone is compared unfavourably to Lachie Wales, its time for them to get a real job. Wales is fast and flash, but where is the end product? All of these young guys at Melbourne City have showed glimpses of what they can do whether that be in the AL or for the Young Socceroos. They've just never done it consistently, bar Metcalfe to an extent and Atkinson. I remember when Wales literally burst on the scene for CCM and got an assist in his first app. I was like gee this kids got a bit about him, but since then he hasn't improved to the extent where he's doing that consistently, even with the move to Melbourne City.
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+xWhen someone is compared unfavourably to Lachie Wales, its time for them to get a real job. Wales is fast and flash, but where is the end product? True, his crossing and finishing is terrible.
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Not good enough. As I said many moons ago. Doesn’t have the desire to be successful
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+xNot good enough. As I said many moons ago. Doesn’t have the desire to be successful Do you hold that view with grant? His clearly to good for the league let’s see him play somewhere else
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Brattan was a bit generous with praise 2 years ago. Ramy been playing while Arzani has been injured- only just started playing senior minutes again. Ramy has talent but seems to lack confidence?? Might benefit from beefing up a bit in the gym before next season
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Just goes to show how rare a talent Arzani was- skill, strength, intelligence and self belief.
I recall an interview where he said he told friends he would play at the World Cup in France when he was still a bit player at City.
Man I do hope Arzani recovers- a once in decade player for Australia.
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I haven't seen any evidence in the games that I have watched Najjarine play to say that he is better technically than Arzani , one of the games that I saw Najjarine play he missed a couple of real sitters because he tried to score with his left foot when technically the right foot was the correct/better option. Why did he not use his right foot, was it due to lack of confidence, nerves, poor technical ability or was it a combination of all ?
Brattan might have seen Najjarine do something at training once or twice and just decided then and there to talk him up, maybe it was an attempt to try and build Najjarine's confidence, maybe Brattan is right and for some reason it just hasn't happened for Najjarine in his A league games to date or maybe Brattan just got his assessment of Najjarine and Arzani's comparison of technical ability wrong, time will tell.
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+xI haven't seen any evidence in the games that I have watched Najjarine play to say that he is better technically than Arzani , one of the games that I saw Najjarine play he missed a couple of real sitters because he tried to score with his left foot when technically the right foot was the correct/better option. Why did he not use his right foot, was it due to lack of confidence, nerves, poor technical ability or was it a combination of all ? Brattan might have seen Najjarine do something at training once or twice and just decided then and there to talk him up, maybe it was an attempt to try and build Najjarine's confidence, maybe Brattan is right and for some reason it just hasn't happened for Najjarine in his A league games to date or maybe Brattan just got his assessment of Najjarine and Arzani's comparison of technical ability wrong, time will tell. All good points.
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Ive decided to bring it up and after my doubts on him originally in the covid bubble.
Tthe first two games in he's finally performing from the original hype, the kid doesnt realise how good he can become with magic left foot (aka wand) he's got.
Every time Newcastle looked to create a chance he's been a major part of it, best creative talent we had since Rogic.
Just shows how impotent game time is for these kids to develop overall, this period might be a blessing for Aus football in the long haul.
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+xIve decided to bring it up and after my doubts on him originally in the covid bubble. Tthe first two games in he's finally performing from the original hype, the kid doesnt realise how good he can become with magic left foot (aka wand) he's got. Every time Newcastle looked to create a chance he's been a major part of it, best creative talent we had since Rogic. Just shows how impotent game time is for these kids to develop overall, this period might be a blessing for Aus football in the long haul. Good point this last one - i actually think COVID along with the Olyroos qualifying for the Olympics will be the 2 best things have have happened to positively effect our national team in many many years. And will be proof also that a youth quota is required. The fact that Matty Simon continues to get a contract every season that the integration of youth into the A league is failing.
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Yea I’m one who bashed him earlier on too, not his biggest fan yet but he has something. If he can do it a few more times I’ll be on board. He was good tonight against the wobblers
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Being better than Arzani is setting the bar quite low currently. Is Arzani injured or has simply been dropped? It surely can't be the latter as he featured often enough.
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+xBeing better than Arzani is setting the bar quite low currently. Is Arzani injured or has simply been dropped? It surely can't be the latter as he featured often enough. Saw pics of him training with Senior team just before their last match but didn’t make 1st team or Jong Utrecht squads 😡 Has there ever been a more frustrating start to a Euro career than his?! Would be very surprised if he ever plays in 1st Utrecht team again at this stage
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+x+xBeing better than Arzani is setting the bar quite low currently. Is Arzani injured or has simply been dropped? It surely can't be the latter as he featured often enough. Saw pics of him training with Senior team just before their last match but didn’t make 1st team or Jong Utrecht squads 😡 Has there ever been a more frustrating start to a Euro career than his?! Would be very surprised if he ever plays in 1st Utrecht team again at this stage You don't seem to be anywhere near as harsh/brash and/or critical towards FC Utrecht and their manager, as you were towards that of Celtic and Lennon with regards to Arzani's lack of playing time🤔..... It's nice seeing this calming side of you 🙂 Maybe my advice managed to somehow find it's way to you subconscious after all 😉😁
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+x+x+xBeing better than Arzani is setting the bar quite low currently. Is Arzani injured or has simply been dropped? It surely can't be the latter as he featured often enough. Saw pics of him training with Senior team just before their last match but didn’t make 1st team or Jong Utrecht squads 😡 Has there ever been a more frustrating start to a Euro career than his?! Would be very surprised if he ever plays in 1st Utrecht team again at this stage You don't seem to be anywhere near as harsh/brash and/or critical towards FC Utrecht and their manager, as you were towards that of Celtic and Lennon with regards to Arzani's lack of playing time🤔..... It's nice seeing this calming side of you 🙂 Maybe my advice managed to somehow find it's way to you subconscious after all 😉😁 😂😂😂
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+x+x+xBeing better than Arzani is setting the bar quite low currently. Is Arzani injured or has simply been dropped? It surely can't be the latter as he featured often enough. Saw pics of him training with Senior team just before their last match but didn’t make 1st team or Jong Utrecht squads 😡 Has there ever been a more frustrating start to a Euro career than his?! Would be very surprised if he ever plays in 1st Utrecht team again at this stage You don't seem to be anywhere near as harsh/brash and/or critical towards FC Utrecht and their manager, as you were towards that of Celtic and Lennon with regards to Arzani's lack of playing time🤔..... It's nice seeing this calming side of you 🙂 Maybe my advice managed to somehow find it's way to you subconscious after all 😉😁 Arzani has been subbed on in 4 Senior games at Utrecht- just 1 assist. Sadly, this is way more than he ever played for celtic, before injury under Rodgers and after recovery under Lennon. Also, Eredivisie is about the 12th best league in world, where SPFL is about 25th - still some hope Arzani can do ok in Europe🤞
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+x+x+x+xBeing better than Arzani is setting the bar quite low currently. Is Arzani injured or has simply been dropped? It surely can't be the latter as he featured often enough. Saw pics of him training with Senior team just before their last match but didn’t make 1st team or Jong Utrecht squads 😡 Has there ever been a more frustrating start to a Euro career than his?! Would be very surprised if he ever plays in 1st Utrecht team again at this stage You don't seem to be anywhere near as harsh/brash and/or critical towards FC Utrecht and their manager, as you were towards that of Celtic and Lennon with regards to Arzani's lack of playing time🤔..... It's nice seeing this calming side of you 🙂 Maybe my advice managed to somehow find it's way to you subconscious after all 😉😁 Arzani has been subbed on in 4 Senior games at Utrecht- just 1 assist. Sadly, this is way more than he ever played for celtic, before injury under Rodgers and after recovery under Lennon. Also, Eredivisie is about the 12th best league in world, where SPFL is about 25th - still some hope Arzani can do ok in Europe🤞 That's being kind to SPFL, oops sorry, that's being unkind, it's probably better than that, but SPFL is just not my cup of tea.
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+x+x+x+x+xBeing better than Arzani is setting the bar quite low currently. Is Arzani injured or has simply been dropped? It surely can't be the latter as he featured often enough. Saw pics of him training with Senior team just before their last match but didn’t make 1st team or Jong Utrecht squads 😡 Has there ever been a more frustrating start to a Euro career than his?! Would be very surprised if he ever plays in 1st Utrecht team again at this stage You don't seem to be anywhere near as harsh/brash and/or critical towards FC Utrecht and their manager, as you were towards that of Celtic and Lennon with regards to Arzani's lack of playing time🤔..... It's nice seeing this calming side of you 🙂 Maybe my advice managed to somehow find it's way to you subconscious after all 😉😁 Arzani has been subbed on in 4 Senior games at Utrecht- just 1 assist. Sadly, this is way more than he ever played for celtic, before injury under Rodgers and after recovery under Lennon. Also, Eredivisie is about the 12th best league in world, where SPFL is about 25th - still some hope Arzani can do ok in Europe🤞 That's being kind to SPFL, oops sorry, that's being unkind, it's probably better than that, but SPFL is just not my cup of tea. https://www.globalfootballrankings.com/
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+x+x+xBeing better than Arzani is setting the bar quite low currently. Is Arzani injured or has simply been dropped? It surely can't be the latter as he featured often enough. Saw pics of him training with Senior team just before their last match but didn’t make 1st team or Jong Utrecht squads 😡 Has there ever been a more frustrating start to a Euro career than his?! Would be very surprised if he ever plays in 1st Utrecht team again at this stage You don't seem to be anywhere near as harsh/brash and/or critical towards FC Utrecht and their manager, as you were towards that of Celtic and Lennon with regards to Arzani's lack of playing time🤔..... If Karamoko Dembele can't get a run Arzani was never going to get one..
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+x+x+x+xBeing better than Arzani is setting the bar quite low currently. Is Arzani injured or has simply been dropped? It surely can't be the latter as he featured often enough. Saw pics of him training with Senior team just before their last match but didn’t make 1st team or Jong Utrecht squads 😡 Has there ever been a more frustrating start to a Euro career than his?! Would be very surprised if he ever plays in 1st Utrecht team again at this stage You don't seem to be anywhere near as harsh/brash and/or critical towards FC Utrecht and their manager, as you were towards that of Celtic and Lennon with regards to Arzani's lack of playing time🤔..... If Karamoko Dembele can't get a run Arzani was never going to get one.. Fair point. As the season is now pretty much done, I wouldn't complain too much if a few of the younger lads on the fringes of the first team get some decent game time over the next couple of months - Dembele in particular.
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The loan to Newcastle this season might turn out to be a great career move.
He needs full SEASONS in the a-league though, not just flashy season, before his agent tries to cash in and he's warming a bench in Europe for 3 years or so before coming home with his tail between his legs like so many before him.
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+xThe loan to Newcastle this season might turn out to be a great career move. He needs full SEASONS in the a-league though, not just flashy season, before his agent tries to cash in and he's warming a bench in Europe for 3 years or so before coming home with his tail between his legs like so many before him. This!
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I saw bits and pieces of the game and he looked great. He looks way better centrally than as a 10.
Interestingly DDS as we know is also very good technically and has a low centre of gravity but has done the opposite and looks way better out wide. Any idea why this is the case?
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+xI saw bits and pieces of the game and he looked great. He looks way better centrally than as a 10. Interestingly DDS as we know is also very good technically and has a low centre of gravity but has done the opposite and looks way better out wide. Any idea why this is the case? No idea. I'm just glad both are playing reasonable finally.
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+xI saw bits and pieces of the game and he looked great. He looks way better centrally than as a 10. Interestingly DDS as we know is also very good technically and has a low centre of gravity but has done the opposite and looks way better out wide. Any idea why this is the case? DDS has too much going on in his head. You play him out wide and his options are less and he makes decisions better. He has all the skills - just not the decision making. I think Staj will be a good for him.
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+x+xI saw bits and pieces of the game and he looked great. He looks way better centrally than as a 10. Interestingly DDS as we know is also very good technically and has a low centre of gravity but has done the opposite and looks way better out wide. Any idea why this is the case? DDS has too much going on in his head. You play him out wide and his options are less and he makes decisions better. He has all the skills - just not the decision making. I think Staj will be a good for him. The last couple of games I've watched DDS he's played well. I reckon he gets unfairly targeted - maybe because there was so much expectation/ hype with him when he started
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+x+xI saw bits and pieces of the game and he looked great. He looks way better centrally than as a 10. Interestingly DDS as we know is also very good technically and has a low centre of gravity but has done the opposite and looks way better out wide. Any idea why this is the case? DDS has too much going on in his head. You play him out wide and his options are less and he makes decisions better. He has all the skills - just not the decision making. I think Staj will be a good for him. Yeah that makes sense. He played well in the last game, fingers crossed it continues. .
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Finally getting to see what Brattan was talking about a couple of years ago, doesn't rely on pace, has had some real good touches and played some nice balls, splitting the defence, his delivery of the ball into the box was also good and in the first two games on occasions he has beaten defenders in tight situations with ease.
Dorrans tried to get into his head, tried to intimidate him and had to pull him back and hack him from behind to stop him.
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This kid looks the goods
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He looks a bit different, we have seen some decent midfielders in the last few weeks, but they are either defensive mids, box to box mids or wide mids, the guy has that bit of difference, he's a ball player, we don't see too many of them in this country.
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Maybe it was the comparisons to Arzani that put me off. I was pretty critical of Najjarine's fleeting appearances for City, but it looks like we're playing to his strengths - ie. not giving him 15 minutes shunted out to the wing when chasing a game. He's revelling in a free central role. Add some goals and he's as good a Petratos replacement as we could hope for. I think he has a higher ceiling than Dimi, but also perhaps suffers from making some things look easy. (Just been listening to commentators rave about Lachlan Rose all game because he runs fast and looks like he's trying hard.)
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He's a genuine 10, a position we've alw strugg with.
Hopefully, he won't dissp in big games like Rogic.
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A bit soon, I'm excited but let's just wait before we start cradling the balls
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"We haven't seen anything from him yet."The knock last year on Arzani was that he didn't work hard enough - "to be honest, everyone works harder than Daniel," Brattan joked."
Now I see why Arzani was never given a shot in Europe... doesn't train well.. why on earth did he even leave then? bizarre advice.
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+x"We haven't seen anything from him yet."The knock last year on Arzani was that he didn't work hard enough - "to be honest, everyone works harder than Daniel," Brattan joked." Now I see why Arzani was never given a shot in Europe... doesn't train well.. why on earth did he even leave then? bizarre advice. Don’t forget the ACL too. But wouldn’t every Aus player go to Europe if given the chance? Arzani back in 1st team squad again so must be doing at least some hard work at training now
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+x"We haven't seen anything from him yet."The knock last year on Arzani was that he didn't work hard enough - "to be honest, everyone works harder than Daniel," Brattan joked." Now I see why Arzani was never given a shot in Europe... doesn't train well.. why on earth did he even leave then? bizarre advice. Doesn't really say its in training. I reckon he was talking about Daniel not coming back to defend in games.
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+x+x"We haven't seen anything from him yet."The knock last year on Arzani was that he didn't work hard enough - "to be honest, everyone works harder than Daniel," Brattan joked." Now I see why Arzani was never given a shot in Europe... doesn't train well.. why on earth did he even leave then? bizarre advice. Doesn't really say its in training. I reckon he was talking about Daniel not coming back to defend in games. you don't play talent like this because you want them to defend anymorethan you get a CB expecting regular goals from them. this modern coaching infatuation with creative players defending is killing the players that make football special to watch. Ozil and Rodrigo James recent examples.internationally.
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charlied
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+x+x+x"We haven't seen anything from him yet."The knock last year on Arzani was that he didn't work hard enough - "to be honest, everyone works harder than Daniel," Brattan joked." Now I see why Arzani was never given a shot in Europe... doesn't train well.. why on earth did he even leave then? bizarre advice. Doesn't really say its in training. I reckon he was talking about Daniel not coming back to defend in games. you don't play talent like this because you want them to defend anymorethan you get a CB expecting regular goals from them. this modern coaching infatuation with creative players defending is killing the players that make football special to watch. Ozil and Rodrigo James recent examples.internationally. Well said
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+x+x+x"We haven't seen anything from him yet."The knock last year on Arzani was that he didn't work hard enough - "to be honest, everyone works harder than Daniel," Brattan joked." Now I see why Arzani was never given a shot in Europe... doesn't train well.. why on earth did he even leave then? bizarre advice. Doesn't really say its in training. I reckon he was talking about Daniel not coming back to defend in games. you don't play talent like this because you want them to defend anymorethan you get a CB expecting regular goals from them. this modern coaching infatuation with creative players defending is killing the players that make football special to watch. Ozil and Rodrigo James recent examples.internationally. Not saying i dont agree with you.
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Whats the most concerning is Sarota, Oar and Zullo were basically regulars at Utretcht... Oar mostly.
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Can he be better than McGree?
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+xCan he be better than McGree? Very different player, McGree is a No 8, box to box. We have lots of those. Ramy Najjarine is a very, very rare breed in Australian football, we don't create too many No 10s in this country.
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+x+xCan he be better than McGree? Very different player, McGree is a No 8, box to box. We have lots of those. Ramy Najjarine is a very, very rare breed in Australian football, we don't create too many No 10s in this country. We might produce more no.10's if once they got to 18 - 19 they weren't moved to wing or no.6 etc in favour of a marquee or older player. Rami had to go to jets and is lucky to be playing in his natural position.
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+x+x+xCan he be better than McGree? Very different player, McGree is a No 8, box to box. We have lots of those. Ramy Najjarine is a very, very rare breed in Australian football, we don't create too many No 10s in this country. We might produce more no.10's if once they got to 18 - 19 they weren't moved to wing or no.6 etc in favour of a marquee or older player. Rami had to go to jets and is lucky to be playing in his natural position. I haven't seen too many No 10s in all my watching of Australian football, not too many creative players.
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