The ends of AAMI hold a bit over 5k each and with safe standing you can add about 50% capacity so roughly 5k extra.  Is the egress from each end designed for the extra capacity and are there enough WC's for the extra capacity?  Both of those issues are specified in the BCA.

The previous consideration was of course done against FIFA requirements for a World Cup so the requirements are not covered simply by compliance with the BCA.  With regard to safe standing there are stadiums in Germany with different capacities for Bundesliga and international games so it can be worked around.

you can do cosmetic things to increase the capacity at AAMI Park though. eg. you probably could add 3-4,000 to the capacity if you made all of both ends safe standing. 

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The design was originally for a 20k capacity stadium but during negotiations with potential users it was agreed by Government to increase capacity and 30k was all that could be fitted on the length of the site with the stretched version of the design they had chosen.  That being the case in the design stage there was no provision to remove the roof.  During contract negotiations the contractor arranged an increase in price to "future proof" the stadium by strengthening the footings.

When it came to looking at stadium requirements and availability for our World Cup bid it was found that we couldn't have both the MCG and Etihad so attention turned to what could be done at Melbourne Rectangular Stadium.    There was a sketch design around that showed a scheme for increasing capacity but in the words of an acquaintance of mine who worked on the stadium requirements for the bid it was an abortion and something you would never do.  When that plan was costed it was found that by the time the roof was cut apart and the architectural programme below it was changed to increase capacity and comply with FIFA requirements and the roof then rebuilt on site it was cheaper to build a new stadium elsewhere.

IIRC it has a special roof that can be taken off and put on again when the capacity is increased.

Later they realised increasing the capacity would cost more than rebuilding the whole thing, hence the jokes about the roof

“only the Sydneys and MV would need bigger” ... c’mon - the two Sydney sides average 12-15k typically. A 20k capacity stadium would be fine for either of them.

According to the wiki page its 30k seating with a heap of other stuff (double dressing rooms, museum etc) for total cost of 80m Euro (AUD$130m ). so a decent 20k should be doable for $100m one would guess?

Had a look at those bear stadium designs - who gives a shit if they aren't architecturally beautiful? 50 years minimum design life. months to build not years, and upgrade-able between seasons. There is absolutely no detail on final cost that I can see but if its half the price or less - wow. 
20k capacity would serve all but the biggest clubs. imagine if Adelaide, Brisbane, Perth, CCM, Newcastle, MelbC (Nix?) all owned their own profitable boutique stadia? only the Sydneys and MV  would need bigger, and only for the big matches. In some cases multi-team citys could even co-own the stadium, doubling the revenue it generates to pay for itself sooner. Probably only really work for the Melbournes atm though.

the sooner the sport fucks off oversized multi-use stadia and starts to own its main revenue streams the faster the game can expand.

There's no doubt that's the main reason. Every stadium needs to be architecturally designed and built world class. If we want more clubs to own their own stadiums one day, we need to accept simpler stadiums.

Why does the roof at AAMI keep coming up?  Roof costs are normally around 10% of a stadiums cost and even with a fancy roof it's not an overly expensive part of the project.  The costly parts are normally super-structure, back of house facilities and services, all over 20% and on a bad site just getting out of the ground can exceed 20% of the cost.

i think blaming high construction costs is a convenient excuse. i think we would save money if they didn't always build stadiums with all the bells and whistles. AAMI Park could have been built far cheaper (or had a bigger capacity) had it had a more simplified roof. dick measuring contests between cities and/or state governments in a bid to try and outdo each other is a significant factor in pushing up costs. 

Not sure what profit margins you think Builders make on these kind of projects, but if they're not losing money or breaking even, I'd say their profit margins are ranging between 1.5-4% after off-site overheads are taken out. 

If true, this is further proof that the Qld government needs to get the f@ck out of the stadium business.  The only entity that should be deciding if Ballymore is suitable for redevelopment is the QRU.  

Some are, many arent.

Clubs in Europe such as in Italy are converting their running track stadium to rectangular - left right and centre. Same in Brazil and other countries.

Small crowds in an oval ground can't get any uglier.

Planning a trip to the United Arab Emirates for next year’s Asian Cup?

Group stage matches: Australia v Jordan, Qatar v Lebanon, Kyrgyzstan v South Korea, United Arab Emirates v Thailand, Vietnam v YemenKnockout stage matches: Round of 16 (Runner-up Group A v Runner-Up Group C), Quarter-final, Semi-finalAL-MAKTOUM STADIUMThe home ground of Al-Nasr Sports Club, who play in the UAE Arabian Gulf League, Al-Maktoum Stadium is being upgraded for the Asian Cup and is expected to fit 15,000 fans come the tournament.Located in Dubai, the stadium will host six games, including a quarter-final, a Round of 16 match and four group games.

Group stage matches: South Korea v Philippines, Bahrain v Thailand, Lebanon v Saudi Arabia, Iran v IraqKnockout stage matches: Round of 16 (Winner Group B v third Group A/C/D), Quarter-finalAL-NAHYAN STADIUMOne of the smaller stadiums, Al-Nahyan Stadium in Dubai fits just 12,000 people and is the home ground of Al Wahda FC, which plays in the UAE Pro League.The stadium will host five games at the 2019 Asian Cup, including one Round of 16 clash and four group matches.

Group stage matches: Thailand v India, Japan v Turkmenistan, Vietnam v Iran, South Korea v China PRKnockout stage matches: Round of 16 (Winner Group E v Runner-up Group D)MAKTOUM BIN RASHID AL MAKTOUM STADIUMLocated in Dubai, the home of UAE Pro League club Shabab Al-Ahli Dubai FC fits just 12,000 spectators.The stadium will host one Round of 16 game and four group matches.That includes Palestine’s clash with the Socceroos.

Group stage matches: Saudi Arabia v North Korea, Palestine v Australia, Turkmenistan v Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan v PhilippinesKnockout stage matches: Round of 16 (Winner Group C v 3rd Group A/B/F)KHALIFA BIN ZAYED STADIUMLocated in Al Ain, this stadium is one of the home grounds of UAE Pro-League club Al-Ain FC.Khalifa bin Zayed Stadium has a capacity of approximately 16,000, though it is being upgraded for the tournament.It will host six games of the 2019 Asian Cup.That includes a Round of 16 game and five group stage clashes, including Australia’s match against Syria.

Group stage matches: China PR v Kyrgyzstan, Jordan v Syria, North Korea v Qatar, Australia v Syria, Japan v UzbekistanKnockout stage matches: Round of 16 (Runner-up Group B v Runner-up Group F)SHARJAH STADIUMThe home ground of Sharjah FC, this stadium is located in Sharjah and has an approximate capacity of 11,000.The stadium will host six games of the Asian Cup, including one Round of 16 game and five group games.

Group stage matches: Syria v Palestine, Uzbekistan v Oman, Yemen v Iraq, India v Bahrain, Lebanon v North KoreaKnockout stage matches: Round of 16 (Winner Group F v Runner-up Group E)

These venues are good enough for the Asian Cup. But would be borderline for an A-league club. We seem to be stadium snobs in this country.

It's good if Ballymore is canned. Even if city pay for an upgrade there's nothing worse than giving an opposing code a leg up.

But if that is true that the government won't allow any upgrade whatsoever, where to for Brisbane city? Why not their own home ground upgrade?

$3.41 Transport Fee recommended  (currently $6 ?), woohoo!



http://www.hpw.qld.gov.au/SiteCollectionDocuments/StadiumTaskforceInterimReportResponse.pdf

Hollow concrete slabs are a lot cheaper too

AEK are currently building one . Check out Agia Sophia Stadium it has a wiki page. Not sure about labour/ building costs in Europe at the moment or if it’s on track budget wise.

The Footscray Park site is too small for that type of thing. Victory are building 2 extra training pitches near Highpoint because there isn't enough room at Footscray Park.

My Foootball wet dream would be for our sport to find a way to buy AAMI Park, upgrade it to 50k, piss off the other sports, and turn it into Australia's version of Wembley. It will never happen, but I love the idea of it.  I also love Countdown catalogue.

QLD Government stadium task force report out today. Apparently recommends against building any more stadiums as well as stating ballymore is not suited for redevelopment as a stadium due to access issues and should be a training Center only.

First of all timber constructed stadiums as exampled in the modular transportable design are expensive in costs compared to steel and concrete when curved structural members are concerned ie roof. Not to mention regulatory requirements for the possibility of fire. Further, 20% of a stadiums cost is the foundations / footings (so costs are simalar here) with the roof being the major overall expense.

The $150 million to build a 15,000 seater stadium will include corporate facilities, media rooms, catering and kitchens etc all air conditioned and are high range in quality. If you want just seating and dunnies and no roof then that cost can be reduced by 2/3.

I would love for every A-League club to have their own boutique stadium of their own.
Starting with Victory, building one at Victoria Uni - Footscray Park.

you do know that the FFA has a minimum standard (aka. compliance), right? I'm not quite sure what that standard is, but I would say 10k is too low. I'm not totally convinced Lakeside Oval should be considered compliant at 12k. 

25k in Townsville is gonna be 300mil

So maybe half that?

-PB

Also $1,000 per seat seems pretty standard for your run of the mill stadium with no bells and whistles

Modular construction is pretty awesome but unfortunately the unions hold a lot of power in Australia which prevents innovative ideas like this in lieu of keeping labour jobs on site.

Dolphin (Oval) Stadium in Redcliffe is a 10k built for something like $25m for the two stands (excludes land)

Game changer if it meets Australian standards!!

Look at these stadiums perfect for A League and even second division/NPL teams

http://www.bearstadiums.com/en