Fact remains that he's yet to achieve anything outside of the A-League though.

Fair enough point, but what have the other two Aussie candidates that everyone speaks of done ? Muscat , zilch, Popovic Asian cup, but no domestic success. ( Grand final wins ). Not much difference in the three of them.

And Ange hadn't done anything outside of Australia prior to his appointment either. 

This is always going to happen when a coach is successful in the domestic league. He is going to make enemies among opposition supporters. It's like Lazio fans finding it hard to cheer for Totti in an Italian shirt etc (shows how up to date my o/s references are).

Either had Ange before he was appointed, and he coached the team to an Asian title. 

If we beat Palestine 4-0 on Friday will all this be forgotten?
If we make it to the semis will all this be forgotten?

It was gobsmakingly stupid for the FFA to hire Arnie again after he had already had the job before and failed badly. Excuses about why he failed last time are just that, excuses. Geewiz so everything was not perfect for him, it's not supposed to be easy to coach a national team. He was terrible.

Now the FFA choose to put him in an almost identical position, he is taking over from a big name, short term, Dutch coach, right after the World Cup heading into the Asian cup. The biggest difference is that this time around he has a much worse squad! 

Our upcoming failure for as long as Arnie is in the job, because he is not a good coach, is not his fault. He will do his best, the best he could be expected to do, it will not be good enough again. 

It is entirely the FFAs fault for giving him a job he had already shown he is not up for. Of course we need to sack GA ASAP but more importunely those who decided to hire him again should not be allowed anywhere near the next hiring decision.

Even if we win the cup (unless the rest of the tournament was won in extremely convincing style) I'm still not sure he's our best option going forward, especially for $1.4 million per annum.

Ange had coached in Greece, and is currently doing a whole lot better than Arnie did in Japan.

I think pointing the finger at inter club bias is a bit simplistic, although Arnie certainly knows how to rub people up the wrong way.

More needs to be made of Arnie's $1.4 million salary. He'd easily be among the top 50 paid coaches in the world. Very likely he'd be one of the top 10 national team coaches.

Highest Paid Football Managers In 2016-17 Season

NO#	MANAGER	TEAM	SALARY
1	Pep Guardiola (New)	Manchester City	£15m (3 year deal set to start in 2016-17 season
2	Jose Mourinho (new)	Manchester United	£13.8m (3 year deal with option to extend to fourth year)
3	Carlo Ancelotti (new)	Bayern Munich	£9m (signed a 3 year deal to remain at Bayern till 2019)
4	Arsene Wenger	Arsenal	£8.30m (signed a 3 year deal in May 2014)
5	Zinedine Zidane	Real Madrid	£8m (2 and half year deal)
6	Jurgen Klopp	Liverpool	£7m (3 year deal)
7	Antonio Conte (new)	Chelsea	£6.5m (3 year deal from 2016-17 season)
8	Luis Enrique	FC Barcelona	£7m
9	Mauricio Pochettino (new deal)	Tottenham	£5.5m (signed 5 year extension till 2021 season)
10	Unai Emery (new)	PSG	£5.65m
11	Ronald Koeman	Everton	£6m (signed a 3 year deal)
12	Rafael Benitez	Newcastle United	£4.5m (signed a three year deal after newcastle were relegated)
13	Diego Simone	Atletico Madrid	£4.4m (signed a new three year deal back in summer 2015)
14	Massimiliano Allegri	Juventus	£3.50m
15	Sam Allerdyce (new)	England	£3.50m
16	Frank De Boer (new)	Inter Milan	£3.20m
17	Claudio Ranieri	Leicester City	£3m (signed a improved deal in 2016. £5m bonus for League win)
18	Slaven Bilic	West Ham United	£2.95m
19	Joachim Low	Germany	£2.80m
20	Tite	Brazil	£2.5m
21	Walter Mazzarri	Watford	£2.5m
22	Alan Pardew	Benfica	£2m
23	Vincenzo Montella	AC Milan	£1.8m
24	Rui Vitória	Benfica	£1.5m

https://www.totalsportek.com/money/highest-paid-football-managers/

I think we can do a bit better with that budget if we were willing to look a bit further.

I never meant it to be the sole reason but I do believe it plays a part.

Also, Ange coached for one (?) season in Greece (was it even 2nd division?) and the point was what they had done BEFORE being appointed Socceroos manager.

I think that one season could easily be cancelled out by Arnie's time spent as an assistant to good coaches

Wow just incredible.

Where is the value for money?

I just threw up in my mouth. That's mind boggling. 

Somewhat OT, but I'll do you one better and state it was gobsmackingly stupid of the FFA to not just have appointed their o/s coach for the SA 2010 campaign (obv. turned out to be Pim) in time for that Asian Cup. And given the Lowys were in the prime of their FFA stewardship, don't believe for a second it was because 'there was no money'..!

Did have a little giggle at the small error in the chart with Alan Pardew's club.

Do you know how Ange's sojourn in the Greek Second worked out?  Depending on who you believe, he was chased out or quit.  He didn't make it for a full season.  It is not something to point at as a qualification for national coach.

All 32 Fifa World Cup 2018 Coaches Salaries (Revealed)

Managers	Annual Salary	Team
Joachim Löw	€3.85 million	Germany
Tite	€3.5 million	Brazil
Didier Deschamps	€3.5 million	France
Julen Lopetegui	€3 million	Spain
Stanislav Cherchesov	€2.6 million	Russia
Fernando Santos	€2.25 million	Portugal
Carlos Queiroz	€2 million	Iran
Gareth Southgate	€2 million	England
Jorge Sampaoli	€1.8 million	Argentina
Óscar Tabárez	€1.7 million	Uruguay
Héctor Cúper	€1.5 million	Egypt
José Pékerman	€1.5 million	Colombia
Juan Antonio Pizzi	€1.44 million	Saudi Arabia
TBC	€1.25 milllion	Australia
Ricardo Gareca	€1.15 million	Peru
Juan Carlos Osorio	€1.05 million	Mexico
Åge Hareide	€1 million	Denmark
Vahid Halilhodžić	€1 million	Japan
Roberto Martínez	€1 million	Belgium
Vladimir Petković	€850,000	Switzerland
Hervé Renard	€780,000	Morocco
Heimir Hallgrímsson	€700,000	Iceland
Zlatko Dalić	€550,000	Croatia
Gernot Rohr	€500,000	Nigeria
Janne Andersson	€450,000	Sweden
Shin Tae-yong	€450,000	South Korea
Hernán Darío Gómez	€400,000	Panama
Nabil Maâloul	€350,000	Tunisia
Mladen Krstajić	€300,000	Serbia
Adam Nawałka	€270,000	Poland
Aliou Cissé	€200,000	Senegal
Óscar Ramírez	€350,000	Costa Rica

https://www.totalsportek.com/money/fifa-world-cup-coaches-salaries/

If $1.4m is correct, then that equates to £786,200.  I doubt that puts him in the top 40

I am with AOK, once you do the currency conversion, he’d be nowhere near the top 40, probably not even top 100.

Let’s take this Arnie pay issue a bit further. Noting currency conversion is required, and estimates need to be updated to be more current than the three year old club figures, can anyone name a handful of coaches that FFA could have appointed for $1.4 million, who would be likely to have taken the job?

I said top 50 and I'd gladly yield if someone presented evidence to the contrary. Don't expect him to be on the same as Guardiola, but when an Australian coach with no success outside Australia is within the same range as EPL managers then questions should be ask. 

Certainly right up there for national team coaches though.

Ange was on about $600k IIRC.

A look at the 2018 World Cup salary list will show a few.

Arnie is on almost double of one of the finalists.

@paladisious, i had already looked at those from Iceland down and have no idea if they would have accepted an offer (do you know?) or if they are any good (do you know?). Admittedly, how can we know who would accept, but convincing a coach to take on our national job four years out from a WC is a big ask. And most of the others look like journeymen and I admit i don’t know if they are better than Arnie. I don’t propose to individually search all their credentials but given none leap out from a name recognition standpoint I will assume none of them are standouts with massive credentials.

That list works against your argument and indicates that he's not being overpaid by international standards. 

Arnold gets around the same as Herve Renard, the coach of Morocco. His pay packet would be firmly in the bottom half of all the coaches at the 2018 world cup. So what's the problem? You want us to have the lowest paid coach? 

I think the point is to see if we can get better value and as you surmised, it would be hard unless you're putting in the cash.

That said, Dalic would have been phenomenal value. So would Hallgrimsson. 

Also looks like BVM got paid 1.25m pounds for a half year gig. Not bad.

Stop blaming the coach.  This is the worst natonal team in 25 years.  If anyone is stealing a living its the players. Weren'e they one of the best paid in 2014 and 2018?  Played 6 lost 5 1 draw 1 point F5 A14.  An absolute disgrace to demand the sort of money they are on.  They're not even marketable now that Cahill has retired.

Arnold gets more money then Dalic..... bloke made the WC final..... how in the world does that work against his argument....Dalic out foxed England, GA just lost to Jordan...

Put it this way in the ENTIRE HISTORY OF FOOTBALL only 13 nations have EVER made the world cup final that includes Croatia. 13!! out of those 13 onle 8 teams have actually won it! 

There are is around 200 nations in the FIFA listing and the world cup started in 1930 and 13 teams have made the final and a coach who made the final gets less the our national team manager.....  

If you think GA is fair value for money my advice to you in NEVER start a business 

perefecto !
WTF is blaming GA so much you keyboard warriors.
We've been in decline for years and now pretty much at the worst - we can't even get a player to score 1 let alone get a double.
Think about it ? Cahill obviously and then Jedi have been our most dominant recent scorers then bloody hell who ?????? and it's Arnie's fault lol.......
He may not be most accredited coach but as I've quoted before its the players who need to stand up far more than Arnie imo.
How many balls were in the box area against Jordan and we came up zip, Rogic had a sitter to at least make the keeper make a save and he skied it at this level.
Just not on.
These players owe it to us farfar more than Arnold ffs, and a list of coachs wages for debating talk about desperate. 

because Croatio under Dalic ahived the biggest unexpected result in football history and they got there with 2 wins on penalty shoot outs.  Dalic will never achieve anything remotely on the same level.  How does Gemrany feel with Lowe?

Players dont select themselves 

Our Socceroos are MEGA over paid thanks to the bloody PFA and how much those blood sucking lawyers have taken from the game but in the end of the day you cant blame the players for losing to a team like Jordan 

Croatia came 3rd in 1998 how was it the most unexpected result in football? it isnt like there are iceland in the Euros, they had at least 5  world class players in there squad....

if anything the biggest unexpected result in football was Leicester city winning the EPL ODDS where literally 5000 to 1