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+x+xWhy does Burns deserve a chance when he failed twice in a pressure game against the same team we play in a few days? Because hes been statistically the best sheild opener over the last few seasons and to me that type of consistency counts more than failing in two innings. Hes one of the few who also has a FC of 40+. A lot of our selection issues have come from picking the guy whos had a good two games as opposed to the guy whos had a good few years. Patterson is a great case because hes both had great form with the unbeaten hundreds but also has been there abouts for a few years. I do agree the team I had lacks a bit of dynamism but the whole squad does and speaks to the levels that youre banking on a 20 year old to be a match winner. Ive said before Id have had Maxwell and Wade at 5 and 6. Fair comments, Red Kat. Some stats to support Burns' case is he has played 14 Tests, averages 37, has 3 centuries and 4 fifties in those Tests. I don't think he is in good form ATM though.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI wouldnt mind him playing at #6 if we were coming off a comprehensive series win against India and sandpaper gate never happened and there was a pretty settled top 4. But I dont think the test squad is a currently good environment for a 20 year old with 8 FC games to be in. I do hope he proves me wrong though and has a career vaguely like Ponting Just on what I have seen of him so far he looks to have a more classical technique than Ricky. DC what is your team? I gave it earlier in the thread. I'm pretty sure on this line up after seeing most of the Bellerive 3 day game, CA 11 v SL. Khawaja Harris Patterson Head Puck Paine/Labu Paine/Neser (if he is batting as well as his averaged of 50 in this year's Shield suggests, he is the pace bowling all rounder) Cummins (with istructions ot bowl within himself) Starc Lyon Meredith I would have dropped Hazlewood anyway. Over the last year his figures have faded dramatically. Paine is definitely captain/keeper, but I'm not sure on Labu or Neser. I remember now. I even commented on it re Neser. Four lefties in the top 4. Not a good game plan. If Paine has as good a FC record as the other #6s then ok pick him there . This allows for a further batting or bowling option or dare I say it.. an all rounder. Think Lyon may like some rough that all those LHB with bowlers around the wicket bowling to may leave behind. That may be the case.Some of our batsmen need all the help they can get and having a quick constantly bowling the same line around the wicket to them.. will build unwanted pressure.
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+x+x+x+x+xI wouldnt mind him playing at #6 if we were coming off a comprehensive series win against India and sandpaper gate never happened and there was a pretty settled top 4. But I dont think the test squad is a currently good environment for a 20 year old with 8 FC games to be in. I do hope he proves me wrong though and has a career vaguely like Ponting Just on what I have seen of him so far he looks to have a more classical technique than Ricky. DC what is your team? I gave it earlier in the thread. I'm pretty sure on this line up after seeing most of the Bellerive 3 day game, CA 11 v SL. Khawaja Harris Patterson Head Puck Paine/Labu Paine/Neser (if he is batting as well as his averaged of 50 in this year's Shield suggests, he is the pace bowling all rounder) Cummins (with istructions ot bowl within himself) Starc Lyon Meredith I would have dropped Hazlewood anyway. Over the last year his figures have faded dramatically. Paine is definitely captain/keeper, but I'm not sure on Labu or Neser. I remember now. I even commented on it re Neser. Four lefties in the top 4. Not a good game plan. If Paine has as good a FC record as the other #6s then ok pick him there . This allows for a further batting or bowling option or dare I say it.. an all rounder. Think Lyon may like some rough that all those LHB with bowlers around the wicket bowling to may leave behind.
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+x+x+x+xI wouldnt mind him playing at #6 if we were coming off a comprehensive series win against India and sandpaper gate never happened and there was a pretty settled top 4. But I dont think the test squad is a currently good environment for a 20 year old with 8 FC games to be in. I do hope he proves me wrong though and has a career vaguely like Ponting Just on what I have seen of him so far he looks to have a more classical technique than Ricky. DC what is your team? I gave it earlier in the thread. I'm pretty sure on this line up after seeing most of the Bellerive 3 day game, CA 11 v SL. Khawaja Harris Patterson Head Puck Paine/Labu Paine/Neser (if he is batting as well as his averaged of 50 in this year's Shield suggests, he is the pace bowling all rounder) Cummins (with istructions ot bowl within himself) Starc Lyon Meredith I would have dropped Hazlewood anyway. Over the last year his figures have faded dramatically. Paine is definitely captain/keeper, but I'm not sure on Labu or Neser. I remember now. I even commented on it re Neser. Four lefties in the top 4. Not a good game plan. If Paine has as good a FC record as the other #6s then ok pick him there . This allows for a further batting or bowling option or dare I say it.. an all rounder.
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+x+x+xI wouldnt mind him playing at #6 if we were coming off a comprehensive series win against India and sandpaper gate never happened and there was a pretty settled top 4. But I dont think the test squad is a currently good environment for a 20 year old with 8 FC games to be in. I do hope he proves me wrong though and has a career vaguely like Ponting Just on what I have seen of him so far he looks to have a more classical technique than Ricky. DC what is your team? I gave it earlier in the thread. I'm pretty sure on this line up after seeing most of the Bellerive 3 day game, CA 11 v SL. Khawaja Harris Patterson Head Puck Paine/Labu Paine/Neser (if he is batting as well as his averaged of 50 in this year's Shield suggests, he is the pace bowling all rounder) Cummins (with instructions to bowl within himself) Starc Lyon Meredith I would have dropped Hazlewood anyway. Over the last year his figures have faded dramatically. Paine is definitely captain/keeper, but I'm not sure on Labu or Neser. The fire comes from Meredith and Starc. The most hostile and fastest bowling in Australia that I've seen this season, has come from Meredith. Stanlake has also bowled some withering spells, but he does not have the stamina for FC cricket. His is a Mickey Mouse cricket specialist.
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+x+xWhy does Burns deserve a chance when he failed twice in a pressure game against the same team we play in a few days? Because hes been statistically the best sheild opener over the last few seasons and to me that type of consistency counts more than failing in two innings. Hes one of the few who also has a FC of 40+. A lot of our selection issues have come from picking the guy whos had a good two games as opposed to the guy whos had a good few years. Patterson is a great case because hes both had great form with the unbeaten hundreds but also has been there abouts for a few years You are saying consistency should be the main criteria for selection. It most certainly should. Good long term Shield form should be rewarded. That I think is the reason CA has not considered either Wade, Doolan or Cooper as those three lack consistency as FC level.
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+x+x+x+xPucovski carrying the drinks is perfect for him. He gets the exposure to the squad and gets an idea of the levels. He gets the joy and motivation of the call up but doesnt get flung into the pressure cooker that is the test squad currently. That is a fair call. Our past greats did it that way. Recall Ponting played that role in the Windies in the mid 90s. We need Puck now! It is not as though we have any experienced, great batters with decent Test records keeping him out of the team ATM. True. I have him in my side. Burns or Labu to go. They will hold onto Head I feel. Is it a lay down misere that Patterson is in the starting X1? CA may fool the lot of us.
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+xWhy does Burns deserve a chance when he failed twice in a pressure game against the same team we play in a few days? Because hes been statistically the best sheild opener over the last few seasons and to me that type of consistency counts more than failing in two innings. Hes one of the few who also has a FC of 40+. A lot of our selection issues have come from picking the guy whos had a good two games as opposed to the guy whos had a good few years. Patterson is a great case because hes both had great form with the unbeaten hundreds but also has been there abouts for a few years. I do agree the team I had lacks a bit of dynamism but the whole squad does and speaks to the levels that youre banking on a 20 year old to be a match winner. Ive said before Id have had Maxwell and Wade at 5 and 6.
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+x+x+xPucovski carrying the drinks is perfect for him. He gets the exposure to the squad and gets an idea of the levels. He gets the joy and motivation of the call up but doesnt get flung into the pressure cooker that is the test squad currently. That is a fair call. Our past greats did it that way. Recall Ponting played that role in the Windies in the mid 90s. We need Puck now! It is not as though we have any experienced, great batters with decent Test records keeping him out of the team ATM. True. I have him in my side. Burns or Labu to go. They will hold onto Head I feel.
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+x+xPucovski carrying the drinks is perfect for him. He gets the exposure to the squad and gets an idea of the levels. He gets the joy and motivation of the call up but doesnt get flung into the pressure cooker that is the test squad currently. That is a fair call. Our past greats did it that way. Recall Ponting played that role in the Windies in the mid 90s. We need Puck now! It is not as though we have any experienced, great batters with decent Test records keeping him out of the team ATM.
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+x+xBurns is a far better opener than Renshaw currently. Realise too I thought Handscomb was in the squad but hes not. It should be Burns Harris Khawaja Patterson Head Labu/Pucovski Paine Cummins Starc Richardson Lyon But Id be tempted to play Burns at 6 and Renshaw open because Im not convinced with either Labuschagne (who needs a few years to develop his game more before being considered for tests) or Pucovski (only 8 FC games and a big short ball weakness- id rather see him develop his game and learn to play the short stuff at FC level before getting exposed in tests). That said Pucovski sounds a lock in but if they dont consider Burns at 6 (but i also dont like selecting a player whos gotten in on form in one position to play somewhere else- see Finch), Id prefer Labu. Puck has the class to dominate the SL attack - even now, despite the short ball weakness. Nobody else based on what they've done empirically, has that level of talent in your top 6, apart from Patterson hammering the SL attacking in Hobart and at a fair clip. We need Puck now. Burns has failed twice as an opener at Bellerive against SL in the last few days. Why does Burns deserve a chance when he failed twice in a pressure game against the same team we play in a few days? My point exactly. I would play him at #5 or #6 as he does bring experience to the table.. tho not a lot of Test experience. Think he has played 8 games or so at a not very flattering average. His second chance..he has to grab it.
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+x+xI wouldnt mind him playing at #6 if we were coming off a comprehensive series win against India and sandpaper gate never happened and there was a pretty settled top 4. But I dont think the test squad is a currently good environment for a 20 year old with 8 FC games to be in. I do hope he proves me wrong though and has a career vaguely like Ponting Just on what I have seen of him so far he looks to have a more classical technique than Ricky. DC what is your team?
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+xBurns is a far better opener than Renshaw currently. Realise too I thought Handscomb was in the squad but hes not. It should be Burns Harris Khawaja Patterson Head Labu/Pucovski Paine Cummins Starc Richardson Lyon But Id be tempted to play Burns at 6 and Renshaw open because Im not convinced with either Labuschagne (who needs a few years to develop his game more before being considered for tests) or Pucovski (only 8 FC games and a big short ball weakness- id rather see him develop his game and learn to play the short stuff at FC level before getting exposed in tests). That said Pucovski sounds a lock in but if they dont consider Burns at 6 (but i also dont like selecting a player whos gotten in on form in one position to play somewhere else- see Finch), Id prefer Labu. Puck has the class to dominate the SL attack - even now, despite the short ball weakness. Nobody else based on what they've done empirically, has that level of talent in your top 6, apart from Patterson hammering the SL attacking in Hobart and at a fair clip. We need Puck now. Burns has failed twice as an opener at Bellerive against SL in the last few days. Why does Burns deserve a chance when he failed twice in a pressure game against the same team we play in a few days?
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+xI wouldnt mind him playing at #6 if we were coming off a comprehensive series win against India and sandpaper gate never happened and there was a pretty settled top 4. But I dont think the test squad is a currently good environment for a 20 year old with 8 FC games to be in. I do hope he proves me wrong though and has a career vaguely like Ponting Just on what I have seen of him so far he looks to have a more classical technique than Ricky.
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I wouldnt mind him playing at #6 if we were coming off a comprehensive series win against India and sandpaper gate never happened and there was a pretty settled top 4. But I dont think the test squad is a currently good environment for a 20 year old with 8 FC games to be in. I do hope he proves me wrong though and has a career vaguely like Ponting
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+xPucovski carrying the drinks is perfect for him. He gets the exposure to the squad and gets an idea of the levels. He gets the joy and motivation of the call up but doesnt get flung into the pressure cooker that is the test squad currently. That is a fair call. Our past greats did it that way. Recall Ponting played that role in the Windies in the mid 90s.
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Pucovski carrying the drinks is perfect for him. He gets the exposure to the squad and gets an idea of the levels. He gets the joy and motivation of the call up but doesnt get flung into the pressure cooker that is the test squad currently.
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+xBurns is a far better opener than Renshaw currently. Realise too I thought Handscomb was in the squad but hes not. It should be Burns Harris Khawaja Patterson Head Labu/Pucovski Paine Cummins Starc Richardson Lyon But Id be tempted to play Burns at 6 and Renshaw open because Im not convinced with either Labuschagne (who needs a few years to develop his game more before being considered for tests) or Pucovski (only 8 FC games and a big short ball weakness- id rather see him develop his game and learn to play the short stuff at FC level before getting exposed in tests). That said Pucovski sounds a lock in but if they dont consider Burns at 6 (but i also dont like selecting a player whos gotten in on form in one position to play somewhere else- see Finch), Id prefer Labu. I could be swayed if Burns bats late order. Burns does not have the technique needed to handle the new moving ball. At least against international attacks. Check out his two dismissals in the tour match.. whereas Renshaw perished to good balls. As I have already said Renshaw has been resurrected due to his contention for an Ashes berth. I have picked Labu on his all round ability. He is not even close to being a top notch spinner but he does have a knack of picking up vital wickets. Pucovski has been picked on potential. I dont see the sense in having him carry the drinks. His second innings.. tho only 33.. was impressive.
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Burns is a far better opener than Renshaw currently. Realise too I thought Handscomb was in the squad but hes not. It should be Burns Harris Khawaja Patterson Head Labu/Pucovski Paine Cummins Starc Richardson Lyon But Id be tempted to play Burns at 6 and Renshaw open because Im not convinced with either Labuschagne (who needs a few years to develop his game more before being considered for tests) or Pucovski (only 8 FC games and a big short ball weakness- id rather see him develop his game and learn to play the short stuff at FC level before getting exposed in tests). That said Pucovski sounds a lock in but if they dont consider Burns at 6 (but i also dont like selecting a player whos gotten in on form in one position to play somewhere else- see Finch), Id prefer Labu.
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+x+xOk who makes way for Patterson as surely he is in the First Test if reports are correct? I want Renshaw, Harris and Pucovski. Burns carries the drinks for mine. Renshaw, Harris, Khawaja, Pucovski, Labuchagne, Head is my top six. He s also level headed young man. Fox Cricket has confirmed Patterson's elevation to the squad. Cricket Australia has confirmed NSW Blues batsman Kurtis Patterson will join the Test squad ahead of the Sri Lanka series, following two centuries in a tour match last week.
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+xOk who makes way for Patterson as surely he is in the First Test if reports are correct? I want Renshaw, Harris and Pucovski. Burns carries the drinks for mine. Renshaw, Harris, Khawaja, Pucovski, Labuchagne, Head is my top six. Kurtis Patterson is a level headed young man. Feet firmly planted on terra firma. This is part of a recent media interview.
“My focus is to try and win games of cricket for whatever team I happen to be playing for. This week it’s the Cricket Australia XI, on the weekend it was St George. It’s a goal in the back of my mind to represent my country one day but it’s not the reason why I get up to go to training in the morning. I do that because I’m really lucky to have a job that I love and I’m passionate about.
We play to the situation of the match and do whatever is required for the team. From a leadership point of view it’s about rewarding players who do that and for me it’s about going out and winning games . I’ve been quite consistent in the last three years of Shield cricket. It’s something I really pride myself on with my batting."
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Ok who makes way for Patterson as surely he is in the First Test if reports are correct? I want Renshaw, Harris and Pucovski. Burns carries the drinks for mine.
Renshaw, Harris, Khawaja, Pucovski, Labuchagne, Head is my top six.
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+x+x+x+xReports Patterson has been added to the test squad. No brainer really should be making his debut in the first test. Shame. I think Pattinson is being selected on name and past performances, not current form and performances. At Bellerive this year in the Shield, he has looked like a pop gun compared to bowlers like Riley Meredith, Billy Stanlake and Jhye Richardson. If the selectors want a pop gun bowler with Shield form, by all means his Vic teammates, Tremain and Boland, have done better in the Shield and can bowl long spells. Arguably Michael Neser, who can also bat, is more venomous than the current incarnation of Patto. He was a terrific bowler few years back, before injury, but he isn't the same bowler anymore. I feel sorry for him. Patto doesn't have the stamina to play a five day Test and bowl long spells either. The axiom about Greg Chappell, in cricketing circles is that he is so arrogant as a selector, he doesn't even need to watch the Shield, or tour games against international teams, because he knows everything already about all players' ability! How can a panel of selectors select a Test squad before a 3 day tour game with Sri Lanka playing a CA 11? It is ludicrous. Squad players failed ( Burns, Renshaw), whilst others not included in the squad, like Patterson, and Doran for that matter ( even though his Shield form doesn't warrant a selection), performed well. Patterson DC.. not Pattinson. The one who posted dual centuries in tour match. Evidently it has not been confirmed by CA. Where there is smoke....... Excellent!!!!!!!!!!! Kurtis Patterson really deserves his chance. Even if he fails he has earned the right. He should go straight into the Test team. Moreover, when the three above him ( Renshaw, Burns, Labu) were struggling on what looked like a tricky Bellerive pitch, Patterson had no trouble on the Bellerive wicket. Patterson has suffered from non conversion in his FC career. Scores heaps of half tons but the three figures have evaded him. Only has 7 from memory. With these two back to back tons and against international opposition, hopefully the monkey is now off his back . Like all quality red ball batsmen Patterson has so much time to play his shots. His driving is immaculate as his his pull shot. I love the improvement in his spin play. Specially in his use of feet and crease. He is ready for Test cricket.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCan Holland bowl his team to victory. No. The game is a draw. Renshaw 4 Burns 4 Labu 5 Patterson 10 Pucovski 5 Sangha 4 Doran 7 Tremain 5 Neser 5 Boland 5 Holland 6 From attending most of the game live, I'd give: Renshaw 1 ( was my pick for our best long term long term batter from the young blokes about 20 years old) Burns 2 Labu 6 - is improving batting and right arm wrist spin bowling. Bowled a few flippers that nearly got him some LBQs. Made a solid 50 in 2nd innings. Patterson 10 Pucovski 7 Sangha, batting 1, bowling 4. Doran, 9 Batting, 5 keeping. Tremain 3 (plodder) action doesn't take much out of him though - good for donkey work. Too many balls hit middle of Sri Lankan bat. Boland 3 (plodder) action doesn't take much out of him - good for donkey work. Too many balls hit middle of SL bat. Neser 4 - bowled livelier spells, but his action takes a bit out of him. Didn't see him bat, although his regular FC average is 23, and he has 50 average this season. Holland 6 - impressive in second innings. Patterson gets 10 as a TCA mate who is a former Shield VC and state selector, rates Patterson's footwork, back foot stroke play, front foot stroke play and concentration to be very impressive. He finds technical faults with every current top 6 Aussie Test batter. Pucoski gets 7 - because he rates him as very, very good, and very talented, apart from the short ball, but he played a few decent hooks and pulls I didn't see in his second innings. This former Shield VC finds fault with nearly every batter in the world, including Warner and Smith, apart from Kohli, Pujara and Kane Williamson. He thinks few Aussie Test batters can concentrate for sufficient periods. Apparently Jhye Richardson is 3 months younger than Meredith - both 22. Richardson is more experienced and has been selected on ODI form. He may be more consistent than Meredith, but from what I've seen is less explosive. IMO Richardson and Meredith should've played this CA 11 game against SL, not Mickey Mouse cricket instead. SL very competent against Aussie pacemen, who were nagging and accurate, apart from Neser at times. No Philander or Abbas in our lot. Kumara was easily the most threatening fast bowler in the match. SL will miss Herath, although before declaration SL spin from both ends was worrying Pucovski (less) and Patterson, who was dropped twice in the 80s. Really surprisingly, Aus's best bowlers in second innings, on what is usually a tough pitch for spin, were Holland, Labu and Sangha! You said you gave points based on what you saw live. Not what your TCA mate says. In which case Pucovski has to be rated on what we saw in this game..not what he will produce in future. that is why I gave him 5.. His 23, 33 warranted a pass mark only. Threw away his wicket in first innings with a poor execution of his achilles heel.. the short ball. Look far more composed in the second innings. Reason I have him in my First Test side. Pucoski looked good to all and sundry, but many had untrained eyes. The former Shield VC, substantiated, in detail, what we thought looked good with him - good front foot shots, good cutter, lot of time to play his shots, good footwork, got side on - his Achilles heel being the short ball - in the first innings. 33 NO looked good in the second dig for Pucoski. He is not going to succeed at test level if he has no way to handle the short ball. Steve Waugh found a way, it was ugly, sometimes very ugly but effective. If Waugh found a way Puck will too. Look what Tugga managed once he abandoned his riskiest shots. Became one of the best 'stonewallers' we have produced. Puck is the most exciting young batter I've seen for some time. My thoughts were confirmed by experts. I'm sure he has the talent, even now, or at least in the imminent future, to dominate opposition Test attacks. None of our current players do, apart from Smith home and away, and Warner on home pitches. I wish Sangha had lasted longer than his 3 off 9 balls, because I've read rave reviews about him too. Totally with you and your TCA mates.. Puck is our most exciting red ball batsmen in a generation. Sangha never got started because he too fell to the short ball. These young blokes feel they have to impose themselves on the bowling early in their innings. I put it down to the plethora of limited overs cricket.
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+x+x Mike has not been round much lately. Dont tell me he is slumming it in some exotic clime again. Where I live is perfect in warm weather - good beaches close to the city, few jellyfish in the sea, good entertainment, clean air, picturesque scenery, uncrowded, plus FC and international cricket to watch. I've travelled a lot. Few places I've visited are as pleasant as where I live in warm weather. Betting your home town does not have month long heatwaves as Sydney has been having this summer. You can do nothing in this weather other than cool off in a pool or switch on the aircon.
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+x+x+xReports Patterson has been added to the test squad. No brainer really should be making his debut in the first test. Shame. I think Pattinson is being selected on name and past performances, not current form and performances. At Bellerive this year in the Shield, he has looked like a pop gun compared to bowlers like Riley Meredith, Billy Stanlake and Jhye Richardson. If the selectors want a pop gun bowler with Shield form, by all means his Vic teammates, Tremain and Boland, have done better in the Shield and can bowl long spells. Arguably Michael Neser, who can also bat, is more venomous than the current incarnation of Patto. He was a terrific bowler few years back, before injury, but he isn't the same bowler anymore. I feel sorry for him. Patto doesn't have the stamina to play a five day Test and bowl long spells either. The axiom about Greg Chappell, in cricketing circles is that he is so arrogant as a selector, he doesn't even need to watch the Shield, or tour games against international teams, because he knows everything already about all players' ability! How can a panel of selectors select a Test squad before a 3 day tour game with Sri Lanka playing a CA 11? It is ludicrous. Squad players failed ( Burns, Renshaw), whilst others not included in the squad, like Patterson, and Doran for that matter ( even though his Shield form doesn't warrant a selection), performed well. Patterson DC.. not Pattinson. The one who posted dual centuries in tour match. Evidently it has not been confirmed by CA. Where there is smoke....... Excellent!!!!!!!!!!! Kurtis Patterson really deserves his chance. Even if he fails he has earned the right. He should go straight into the Test team. Moreover, when the three above him ( Renshaw, Burns, Labu) were struggling on what looked like a tricky Bellerive pitch, Patterson had no trouble on the Bellerive wicket.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCan Holland bowl his team to victory. No. The game is a draw. Renshaw 4 Burns 4 Labu 5 Patterson 10 Pucovski 5 Sangha 4 Doran 7 Tremain 5 Neser 5 Boland 5 Holland 6 From attending most of the game live, I'd give: Renshaw 1 ( was my pick for our best long term long term batter from the young blokes about 20 years old) Burns 2 Labu 6 - is improving batting and right arm wrist spin bowling. Bowled a few flippers that nearly got him some LBQs. Made a solid 50 in 2nd innings. Patterson 10 Pucovski 7 Sangha, batting 1, bowling 4. Doran, 9 Batting, 5 keeping. Tremain 3 (plodder) action doesn't take much out of him though - good for donkey work. Too many balls hit middle of Sri Lankan bat. Boland 3 (plodder) action doesn't take much out of him - good for donkey work. Too many balls hit middle of SL bat. Neser 4 - bowled livelier spells, but his action takes a bit out of him. Didn't see him bat, although his regular FC average is 23, and he has 50 average this season. Holland 6 - impressive in second innings. Patterson gets 10 as a TCA mate who is a former Shield VC and state selector, rates Patterson's footwork, back foot stroke play, front foot stroke play and concentration to be very impressive. He finds technical faults with every current top 6 Aussie Test batter. Pucoski gets 7 - because he rates him as very, very good, and very talented, apart from the short ball, but he played a few decent hooks and pulls I didn't see in his second innings. This former Shield VC finds fault with nearly every batter in the world, including Warner and Smith, apart from Kohli, Pujara and Kane Williamson. He thinks few Aussie Test batters can concentrate for sufficient periods. Apparently Jhye Richardson is 3 months younger than Meredith - both 22. Richardson is more experienced and has been selected on ODI form. He may be more consistent than Meredith, but from what I've seen is less explosive. IMO Richardson and Meredith should've played this CA 11 game against SL, not Mickey Mouse cricket instead. SL very competent against Aussie pacemen, who were nagging and accurate, apart from Neser at times. No Philander or Abbas in our lot. Kumara was easily the most threatening fast bowler in the match. SL will miss Herath, although before declaration SL spin from both ends was worrying Pucovski (less) and Patterson, who was dropped twice in the 80s. Really surprisingly, Aus's best bowlers in second innings, on what is usually a tough pitch for spin, were Holland, Labu and Sangha! You said you gave points based on what you saw live. Not what your TCA mate says. In which case Pucovski has to be rated on what we saw in this game..not what he will produce in future. that is why I gave him 5.. His 23, 33 warranted a pass mark only. Threw away his wicket in first innings with a poor execution of his achilles heel.. the short ball. Look far more composed in the second innings. Reason I have him in my First Test side. Pucoski looked good to all and sundry, but many had untrained eyes. The former Shield VC, substantiated, in detail, what we thought looked good with him - good front foot shots, good cutter, lot of time to play his shots, good footwork, got side on - his Achilles heel being the short ball - in the first innings. 33 NO looked good in the second dig for Pucoski. He is not going to succeed at test level if he has no way to handle the short ball. Steve Waugh found a way, it was ugly, sometimes very ugly but effective. If Waugh found a way Puck will too. Look what Tugga managed once he abandoned his riskiest shots. Became one of the best 'stonewallers' we have produced. Puck is the most exciting young batter I've seen for some time. My thoughts were confirmed by experts. I'm sure he has the talent, even now, or at least in the imminent future, to dominate opposition Test attacks. None of our current players do, apart from Smith home and away, and Warner on home pitches. I wish Sangha had lasted longer than his 3 off 9 balls, because I've read rave reviews about him too.
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+x+xReports Patterson has been added to the test squad. No brainer really should be making his debut in the first test. Shame. I think Pattinson is being selected on name and past performances, not current form and performances. At Bellerive this year in the Shield, he has looked like a pop gun compared to bowlers like Riley Meredith, Billy Stanlake and Jhye Richardson. If the selectors want a pop gun bowler with Shield form, by all means his Vic teammates, Tremain and Boland, have done better in the Shield and can bowl long spells. Arguably Michael Neser, who can also bat, is more venomous than the current incarnation of Patto. He was a terrific bowler few years back, before injury, but he isn't the same bowler anymore. I feel sorry for him. Patto doesn't have the stamina to play a five day Test and bowl long spells either. The axiom about Greg Chappell, in cricketing circles is that he is so arrogant as a selector, he doesn't even need to watch the Shield, or tour games against international teams, because he knows everything already about all players' ability! How can a panel of selectors select a Test squad before a 3 day tour game with Sri Lanka playing a CA 11? It is ludicrous. Squad players failed ( Burns, Renshaw), whilst others not included in the squad, like Patterson, and Doran for that matter ( even though his Shield form doesn't warrant a selection), performed well. Patterson DC.. not Pattinson. The one who posted dual centuries in tour match. Evidently it has not been confirmed by CA. Where there is smoke.......
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+xReports Patterson has been added to the test squad. No brainer really should be making his debut in the first test. Shame. I think Pattinson is being selected on name and past performances, not current form and performances. At Bellerive this year in the Shield, he has looked like a pop gun compared to bowlers like Riley Meredith, Billy Stanlake and Jhye Richardson. If the selectors want a pop gun bowler with Shield form, by all means his Vic teammates, Tremain and Boland, have done better in the Shield and can bowl long spells. Arguably Michael Neser, who can also bat, is more venomous than the current incarnation of Patto. He was a terrific bowler few years back, before injury, but he isn't the same bowler anymore. I feel sorry for him. Patto doesn't have the stamina to play a five day Test and bowl long spells either. The axiom about Greg Chappell, in cricketing circles is that he is so arrogant as a selector, he doesn't even need to watch the Shield, or tour games against international teams, because he knows everything already about all players' ability! How can a panel of selectors select a Test squad before a 3 day tour game with Sri Lanka playing a CA 11? It is ludicrous. Squad players failed ( Burns, Renshaw), whilst others not included in the squad, like Patterson, and Doran for that matter ( even though his Shield form doesn't warrant a selection), performed well.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xCan Holland bowl his team to victory. No. The game is a draw. Renshaw 4 Burns 4 Labu 5 Patterson 10 Pucovski 5 Sangha 4 Doran 7 Tremain 5 Neser 5 Boland 5 Holland 6 From attending most of the game live, I'd give: Renshaw 1 ( was my pick for our best long term long term batter from the young blokes about 20 years old) Burns 2 Labu 6 - is improving batting and right arm wrist spin bowling. Bowled a few flippers that nearly got him some LBQs. Made a solid 50 in 2nd innings. Patterson 10 Pucovski 7 Sangha, batting 1, bowling 4. Doran, 9 Batting, 5 keeping. Tremain 3 (plodder) action doesn't take much out of him though - good for donkey work. Too many balls hit middle of Sri Lankan bat. Boland 3 (plodder) action doesn't take much out of him - good for donkey work. Too many balls hit middle of SL bat. Neser 4 - bowled livelier spells, but his action takes a bit out of him. Didn't see him bat, although his regular FC average is 23, and he has 50 average this season. Holland 6 - impressive in second innings. Patterson gets 10 as a TCA mate who is a former Shield VC and state selector, rates Patterson's footwork, back foot stroke play, front foot stroke play and concentration to be very impressive. He finds technical faults with every current top 6 Aussie Test batter. Pucoski gets 7 - because he rates him as very, very good, and very talented, apart from the short ball, but he played a few decent hooks and pulls I didn't see in his second innings. This former Shield VC finds fault with nearly every batter in the world, including Warner and Smith, apart from Kohli, Pujara and Kane Williamson. He thinks few Aussie Test batters can concentrate for sufficient periods. Apparently Jhye Richardson is 3 months younger than Meredith - both 22. Richardson is more experienced and has been selected on ODI form. He may be more consistent than Meredith, but from what I've seen is less explosive. IMO Richardson and Meredith should've played this CA 11 game against SL, not Mickey Mouse cricket instead. SL very competent against Aussie pacemen, who were nagging and accurate, apart from Neser at times. No Philander or Abbas in our lot. Kumara was easily the most threatening fast bowler in the match. SL will miss Herath, although before declaration SL spin from both ends was worrying Pucovski (less) and Patterson, who was dropped twice in the 80s. Really surprisingly, Aus's best bowlers in second innings, on what is usually a tough pitch for spin, were Holland, Labu and Sangha! You said you gave points based on what you saw live. Not what your TCA mate says. In which case Pucovski has to be rated on what we saw in this game..not what he will produce in future. that is why I gave him 5.. His 23, 33 warranted a pass mark only. Threw away his wicket in first innings with a poor execution of his achilles heel.. the short ball. Look far more composed in the second innings. Reason I have him in my First Test side. Pucoski looked good to all and sundry, but many had untrained eyes. The former Shield VC, substantiated, in detail, what we thought looked good with him - good front foot shots, good cutter, lot of time to play his shots, good footwork, got side on - his Achilles heel being the short ball - in the first innings. 33 NO looked good in the second dig for Pucoski. He is not going to succeed at test level if he has no way to handle the short ball. Steve Waugh found a way, it was ugly, sometimes very ugly but effective. If Waugh found a way Puck will too. Look what Tugga managed once he abandoned his riskiest shots. Became one of the best 'stonewallers' we have produced.
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