When a transfer does happen and the clubs are negotiating a fee, yes all those things come into play. However, the values posted on sites like transfermarkt are based primarily based on contract values. These values should not be taken as gospel. Sometimes they are accurate, other times they are way off. Just because a player happens to be on a good contract doesn't mean they are worth. Sometimes it just means they have a good agent. 

I don't believe that is accurate.

Contract values are stipulated by retrospective performances, reputation, and what the market is willing to pay and offer in most cases.

Players can however fall out of form, but values can only be retrospective in nature as no one can predict the future. In these cases, it is possible for a player to be over priced, just like there is a possibility for a young player to be under valued.

Yes there is a lot of correlation between player values and quality, consistency, reputation and performance. 

 Bruno Fornaroli is still valued at €1.5M even though he's not playing. In comparison Toivenen is valued at €1.35M. I know which one I'd rather have in my squad. Transfer values don't tell the full story. 

Transfer values are purely based on actual contract values and have nothing to do with performance. The price is based on how much it would cost to purchase player from a club including paying out a current contract at that point in time. Obviously there is some correlation between transfer value and player quality, but it's a very loose correlation and not close to being definitive. 

It isn't good for the league.

All it does is establish mediocrity.

Sure, in the other leagues, including Spain and Italy, the championship is dominated by 5 or 6 clubs. But they have such giants as Barcelona and Real Madrid. And yes, they are going to take the championship a lot.

Even as a lower ranked team, it is a privilege to play against such power houses. For many, it is a highlight in their careers. Players are blooded and made and it is their chance to impress, because who knows, they too might end up at Barcelona or Real Madrid.

If Spain had a salary cap, then the Barcelona's and Real Madrids of this world won't exist.

The bottom end of the league develop and blood all the youngsters and home grown talent. It's a system that works and every players looks forward to the day they play against Barcelona and Real Madrid. These clubs also feed off the big end of town because they are on the money gravy train. The develop players and Barcelona and Real Madrid come along and sign those players for millions. It's big business and every club has its purpose and goals.

Salary Cap is a hand brake against development and it also reduces the quality of the product.

Communism is a failed concept...

Without a salary cap, our league would be better, faster, more exciting, and the crowds would be bigger because there would be more draw-cards. Also, we would produce better players as well, and we would be taken more seriously internationally attracting even more players.

And these spin offs will also apply to the Socceroos which would have better players and more depth.

Salary cap has enabled every Oz team to win the title except for a PERTH which may well happen this season the way they’re going.

That can only be good for the league whilst the alternative is for a couple clubs to constantly win the trophy ala Scottish Professional League and interest is lost elsewhere.

Leave the cap until the league fully establishes itself with more clubs and second division.

If the Australian players in the HAL were in demand by European Leagues, then they would be sort after.

The transfer market isn't just internal. It is global.

Those Transfermarkt values can't be used to directly compare leagues. You will find they are influenced by the football economy in the individual countries. Australian doesn't have an internal transfer system so our players are generally worth less than other 'top' Asian countries. 

True!

One is a 20 team league and we are comparing to a 10 league team. Yes that needs to be considered also.

But still, when you do the sums, they are still out in front. The Segunda team average is about twice that of the HAL average.

Yep fair enough 👍
I’ll allow it, in a way. I mean, I think you’re right in these leagues being “better”, but probably not to the extent that you’re saying.

But just remember also, you’re posting total transfer market values, comparing a 20 team league to a 10 team league. An average would be better (which I think works out to Segunda averaging twice an A-League team)

I didn't bring up the Cyprus League to compare how good it is. Sub007 bought the Cyprus League and since he bought it up, I did a scientific comparison on what the HAL is worth and compared it to the Cyprus First Division.

I have also been to Cyprus First Division Games. I have seen Apoel, Appollon, Omonia, AEL, and Anorthosis play. It definitely is a cut above the HAL. Everyone knows this to be the case. But don't take my word for it. Look at the transfer market and the players who play there.

They have better development, more money, pay higher wages, have more teams, a longer season, and promotion and relegation. Even a dead rubber at the bottom is significant because the bottom teams also have something to play for. The League has more money and is run more professionally.That is why Giannou is there.

Giannou is tearing the pitch up in the AFC and in Cyprus he is literally a scrubber good for peeling the oranges.

Sorry, but there are more teams in the Greek Super League too, and some HAL teams might do OK against the bottom 6 teams, but the Greek Super League is a cut above the A league.

Similarly, if an NBL team beats an NBA team that is struggling or a Greek Basketball team, it doesn't mean that the NBL is better than the NBA or Greek Basketball League.

Your logic doesn't make any sense at all.

The only metric one can see to compare the leagues is the transfer market and the market caps of the leagues in question. By doing it this way, we are scientifically comparing the net worth of both leagues.

Fair enough i get when you are coming from i still think Las Palmas would beat anyone in the HAL 

TBH i would say the Spanish 2nd division is better then the J-league let alone the HAL 

You have to remember we have a league with no promotion and Relegation and the season is barely 6 months long. Teams play each other AT LEAST 3 times a season the Spanish 2nd division goes for 9 months play at least 19 different teams in the league (home and away) and play  in the Copper Del Rey have the fear of relegation and hope of promotion even the bottom half of the league this would be true. 

The HAL is a semi-pro league with professional wages, you cant have a serious league with no promo/rel and only ten sides that last 6 months most teams will play around 31-37 games depending on a cup run and finals you cant compare that with a league that doesn't suffer from these clear short comings. 

You can call people 'idiots' all you want but how can you say a league that has more money, more games, better development, better league structure is comparative to a league that has less games, a smaller talent pool to develop, no relegation and less money???? 

People might not like this but the HAL is probably about the level of 2nd div dutch league  

Just remember, all of us are talking about the bottom half of the Segunda, not the top.

If you think a go kart can beat Lewis Hamilton in his Mercedes W08, then go ahead, I’d suggest you’re an idiot.

We’re talking about clubs like Numancia, Las Palmas

Im not taking ANYONES (i dont know how good the Cyp league is) side but there is no chance the HAL is close to the Segunda Liga in Spain i wouldnt even put it on par with the Spanish 3rd division 

if you think Perth or MVFC could beat a team like deportivo then you are on the pipe i'd argue a squad made of 2nd div Spanish players would beat our Socceroos let alone our HAL sides...

My point is, since you bring up how good the Cyprus League, that ONE SINGLE TEAM makes the champions league playoff stage every year, that the league is so great and Champions League quality, the “half the Segunda is the same market value as the A-League teams” is at least as valid.

Your Cyprus wankfest teams are whipping boys in the Champions League most seasons. Admit it, and then I might think about admitting you’re right

Ok let’s do it your way mouflon

If you mop the floor is it really clean?
Or are you just adding more crap to it
By that logic, Segunda is crap because there is more teams

Can you do the same with the NBL and the NBA or the Greek Basketball League.

Doesn't mean the NBL is anywhere near the NBA or the Greek Basketball League.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jumplist/startseite/wettbewerb/AUS1
https://www.transfermarkt.com/jumplist/startseite/wettbewerb/ES2

Riht and so by that logic if a couple of NBL clubs are at the same standard as the bottom NBA teams, the NBL is then at the same level of the NBA is it?

Keep dreaming.

If the top teams are worth as much as 4 HAL teams, then there is no chance the HAL is at this level. Even the bottom clubs, that may be worth the same on paper according to transfermarkt, does't mean the HJAL is at LaLiga2 level.

Once again, laLiga is worth 330 million Euro
HAL is worth 82 million Euro.

Big difference.

We had this argument about the Dutch League too. The Dutch League has a market cap of 1.1 Billion Euros.

The HAL is not at the same level opf the Dutch League or the LaLiga2

Problem solved. A-League clubs are approximately at the same standard as half of the Segunda Liga in spain. Just remember mouflon, only 3 (or 4?) get relegated, so there’s at least 3 seasons worth of A-League in that

Yep

And then similarly, you replace the bottom half of the Segunda, with the 10 A-League clubs, do you get a comparable value?
You do the sums

How can we compare on a 1 against 1 basis? That is impossible.

All we can do is compare the quality of players in that era to today. The facts indicate, there was more Australian talent in Europe and the Australian NT was stronger then to the dismal level of today.

And what more evidence can there be than declining spectators. People are switching off and not going to matches because they have had enough of the stale product on offer.

 4 years ago, average attendance was nearly 14000. Today it is 10900. And still in decline.

And secondly, you can say the A League might be similar to the bottom half of the Cyprus League, but certainly not the top half. therefore, Segunda and Cyprus are stronger leagues. the standard is NOT the same.

The evidence we have provided you is the net worth of the Segunda and compared it to the HAL. Segunda is 400% the value of the A League. You do the sums.

Yes Oar was in the Dutch League and was bought by Apoel so he went for 300K

He was always going to go for the money and glitz of Apoel. No player would go to the A League because Apoel play in the Champions League and are capable of anything.

Oar was getting pissed off because he wasn't getting any game time. After Bean was sacked it was pretty much the end of the road for Oar so he went to CCM. That was the only offer he had. Dutch didn't want him and the Cypriots didn't want him either.

Oar was a waste of money.

You could make the same argument with Oar at APOEL...

Yet again you have moved the goalposts. Coffee jackal said the league isn't as good as it was. Neither of you have provided any evidence to back up that claim.

As for the debate comparing the HAL to the Segunda division. A-League sides are similar in ability to the bottom half of the Segunda division. That means that Isaias is correct in saying the HAL is as good as the Segunda Division as HAL clubs are the same quality as the bottom half of the Segunda division. 

Most of the players that made it big over there, were actually NSL products or early A League. That generation.

Now there isn't much going on like there use to be, so that indicates something different to me.

I have postd a lot of evidence that indicates that the HAL isn't anywhere close to the standard of LaLiga2. As mentioned above, you are not paying any attention to it.

LaLiga 2 is 4 times the value of the A League for a start. What does that tell you? They pay more right? Hence far better players too.

Most of the players that made it big over there, were actually NSL products or early A League. That generation.

Now there isn't much going on like there use to be, so that indicates something different to me.

There has not been a single piece of evidence to back up your view. All of what you and Aikhme have posted are your opinions, which you two have presented as facts, yet have not displayed a single piece of evidence at all.

I'm also pretty sure that Bozza along with the other Fox Sports pundits have also said on air that the standard is the best it's ever been.

Sorry Sub007 you are delusional there is loads of evidence being presented to you, you're simply not listening to it 

Isaias isn't delusional sure, but he isnt going to turn around and say the league is a low standard either he is being paid by the AU and at large the HAL he isnt going to bite the hand that feeds him that is just common sense. 

If you think this is the best season you have seen power to you but i would stay it is probably better then the 1st 4 season of the HAL but it was worst then seasons 5-7 in par with what we have seen in the past few years....