Yes - the cap should stay it keeps the league fair
No - time to let clubs manage there own finances
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Davstar
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Simple question would you keep the salary cap? and why?
Me personally I hate the salary cap I understand why it exists but I think it is killing the HAL and is probably the biggest reason the league has stopped improving (possibly only 2 nd to a lack of promotion/relegation). If it was me I’d let the cream rise to the top because all the best leagues in the world are dominated by a few big clubs and us trying to be different is clearly not working.
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Burztur
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It’s not even a proper cap anymore with all the variables. May as well get rid of it.
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Waz
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No. It served a purpose that’s long past.
There needs to be some mechanism for financial control (not as absurd as UEFAs FFP) that stops debt ballooning under the wrong ownership but this can be achieved quite simply.
Apart from CFG there’s no club with any real financial clout anyway, even Victory straddle breakeven most years so I don’t think we’ll see a massive change in spending anyway.
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+xNo. It served a purpose that’s long past. There needs to be some mechanism for financial control (not as absurd as UEFAs FFP) that stops debt ballooning under the wrong ownership but this can be achieved quite simply. Apart from CFG there’s no club with any real financial clout anyway, even Victory straddle breakeven most years so I don’t think we’ll see a massive change in spending anyway. Agree with this sentiment
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I said yes accident and dont know how to change it
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Josh
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No
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Scrap the cap and all the other A-Leagueisms. They aren't helping anything, they are holding the game back.
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+xScrap the cap and all the other A-Leagueisms. They aren't helping anything, they are holding the game back. So many to get rid of.
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Yep, scrap the cap and let teams reach their full potential.
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RedKat
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What we have now is barely a cap
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sub007
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Keep it. We don't need a broken system where the league becomes an oligarchy where the richer clubs dominate in terms of success on the pitch as well as having power over the other clubs.
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+xKeep it. We don't need a broken system where the league becomes an oligarchy where the richer clubs dominate in terms of success on the pitch as well as having power over the other clubs. agree.i would get nothing out of my team winning because they have more money than every other team combined. that would be shit for every one.
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Bundoora B
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i think the cap is too small. and i think the marquee rule is dumb. scrap the marquee rule and triple the cap.
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+xi think the cap is too small. and i think the marquee rule is dumb. scrap the marquee rule and triple the cap. I think something like this makes sense. Once p&r is introduced, then scrap the cap and let everyone sort it out from there. Keep it for now but heavily amend it.
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I don't want to keep it because it keeps things fair, i just caught foresee many clubs surviving.
We need 2 division that are self sustaining, then pro/rel and then scrap the cap... i could see that taking 40 years.
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+xI don't want to keep it because it keeps things fair, i just caught foresee many clubs surviving. We need 2 division that are self sustaining, then pro/rel and then scrap the cap... i could see that taking 40 years. That will never happen though with a stand alone 2nd div. If the HAL is not self sustaining (which it is not currently) than a 2nd div is going to be even worse off. The transition from 2nd div to a system with P&R with the HAL needs to happen over a fairly short timeline which is carefully planned and set in stone right from the get go. A 2nd div will struggle to gain traction without the carrot of promotion to the HAL directly in front of them. Saying, we'll talk about it when the time comes doesn't work. However if they know that within 5 years (for example), P&R with the HAL will definitely be in place, than far more investment will occur from both 2nd div clubs as well as the HAL clubs. People worry about casualties of such systems, but these casualties are required to enable proper growth.
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keep the cap but double it to $6 million. scrap all the other loopholes except for one marquee spot. but this marquee spot can only be used to bring in a big fish marquee like a Del Piero or Honda type.
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+xkeep the cap but double it to $6 million. scrap all the other loopholes except for one marquee spot. but this marquee spot can only be used to bring in a big fish marquee like a Del Piero or Honda type. problem is, who decides when a marquee is big fish? this has already been an issue with the ffa.
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+x+xkeep the cap but double it to $6 million. scrap all the other loopholes except for one marquee spot. but this marquee spot can only be used to bring in a big fish marquee like a Del Piero or Honda type. problem is, who decides when a marquee is big fish? this has already been an issue with the ffa. This. The club should choose who their marquees are.
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+xkeep the cap but double it to $6 million. scrap all the other loopholes except for one marquee spot. but this marquee spot can only be used to bring in a big fish marquee like a Del Piero or Honda type. The problem with doubling it is that most clubs would go bust under the current salary cap rules there is a floor to the cap i think it is at 'least 80%' (or something like that) of the cap max needs to be spent on the squad. You would have to scrap the cap floor otherwise most sides would go bust ie CCM would be gone in 1 season For me i'd be rid of it we dont need it anymore perhaps when the league started it served a purpose but now it just promotes mediocrity where shit players get paid to much and good players leave the league because they get to little and we have this broken marquee system
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+x+xkeep the cap but double it to $6 million. scrap all the other loopholes except for one marquee spot. but this marquee spot can only be used to bring in a big fish marquee like a Del Piero or Honda type. The problem with doubling it is that most clubs would go bust under the current salary cap rules there is a floor to the cap i think it is at 'least 80%' (or something like that) of the cap max needs to be spent on the squad. You would have to scrap the cap floor otherwise most sides would go bust ie CCM would be gone in 1 season For me i'd be rid of it we dont need it anymore perhaps when the league started it served a purpose but now it just promotes mediocrity where shit players get paid to much and good players leave the league because they get to little and we have this broke marquee system Most people want the cap floor gone. The shit players are close to minimum wage. The best players are always going to go to a better league which is a good thing as they get exposed to a higher level of competition.
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+x+x+xkeep the cap but double it to $6 million. scrap all the other loopholes except for one marquee spot. but this marquee spot can only be used to bring in a big fish marquee like a Del Piero or Honda type. The problem with doubling it is that most clubs would go bust under the current salary cap rules there is a floor to the cap i think it is at 'least 80%' (or something like that) of the cap max needs to be spent on the squad. You would have to scrap the cap floor otherwise most sides would go bust ie CCM would be gone in 1 season For me i'd be rid of it we dont need it anymore perhaps when the league started it served a purpose but now it just promotes mediocrity where shit players get paid to much and good players leave the league because they get to little and we have this broke marquee system Most people want the cap floor gone. The shit players are close to minimum wage. The best players are always going to go to a better league which is a good thing as they get exposed to a higher level of competition. A lot dont go to better leagues too many are going to the UAE or CSL or other rubbish places for quick cash because the HAL cant complete with those levels of wages mark Milligan is a prime example of a player who never reached his potential because he was chasing money in Asia
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+x+x+x+xkeep the cap but double it to $6 million. scrap all the other loopholes except for one marquee spot. but this marquee spot can only be used to bring in a big fish marquee like a Del Piero or Honda type. The problem with doubling it is that most clubs would go bust under the current salary cap rules there is a floor to the cap i think it is at 'least 80%' (or something like that) of the cap max needs to be spent on the squad. You would have to scrap the cap floor otherwise most sides would go bust ie CCM would be gone in 1 season For me i'd be rid of it we dont need it anymore perhaps when the league started it served a purpose but now it just promotes mediocrity where shit players get paid to much and good players leave the league because they get to little and we have this broke marquee system Most people want the cap floor gone. The shit players are close to minimum wage. The best players are always going to go to a better league which is a good thing as they get exposed to a higher level of competition. A lot dont go to better leagues too many are going to the UAE or CSL or other rubbish places for quick cash because the HAL cant complete with those levels of wages mark Milligan is a prime example of a player who never reached his potential because he was chasing money in Asia That happens as well. Plenty of European leagues can't compete with the cashed up Asian leagues. Cap or no cap, they are still going to outspend us by some distance.
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+x+x+xkeep the cap but double it to $6 million. scrap all the other loopholes except for one marquee spot. but this marquee spot can only be used to bring in a big fish marquee like a Del Piero or Honda type. The problem with doubling it is that most clubs would go bust under the current salary cap rules there is a floor to the cap i think it is at 'least 80%' (or something like that) of the cap max needs to be spent on the squad. You would have to scrap the cap floor otherwise most sides would go bust ie CCM would be gone in 1 season For me i'd be rid of it we dont need it anymore perhaps when the league started it served a purpose but now it just promotes mediocrity where shit players get paid to much and good players leave the league because they get to little and we have this broke marquee system Most people want the cap floor gone. The shit players are close to minimum wage. The best players are always going to go to a better league which is a good thing as they get exposed to a higher level of competition. The floor is just min wage. Everything else can be whatever the clubs are willing to pay.
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sub007
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+x+x+x+xkeep the cap but double it to $6 million. scrap all the other loopholes except for one marquee spot. but this marquee spot can only be used to bring in a big fish marquee like a Del Piero or Honda type. The problem with doubling it is that most clubs would go bust under the current salary cap rules there is a floor to the cap i think it is at 'least 80%' (or something like that) of the cap max needs to be spent on the squad. You would have to scrap the cap floor otherwise most sides would go bust ie CCM would be gone in 1 season For me i'd be rid of it we dont need it anymore perhaps when the league started it served a purpose but now it just promotes mediocrity where shit players get paid to much and good players leave the league because they get to little and we have this broke marquee system Most people want the cap floor gone. The shit players are close to minimum wage. The best players are always going to go to a better league which is a good thing as they get exposed to a higher level of competition. The floor is just min wage. Everything else can be whatever the clubs are willing to pay. The salary cap floor is where clubs have to spend a minimum of 90% of the cap. My understanding of it is that it doesn't have anything to do with individual wages.
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+x+x+x+x+xkeep the cap but double it to $6 million. scrap all the other loopholes except for one marquee spot. but this marquee spot can only be used to bring in a big fish marquee like a Del Piero or Honda type. The problem with doubling it is that most clubs would go bust under the current salary cap rules there is a floor to the cap i think it is at 'least 80%' (or something like that) of the cap max needs to be spent on the squad. You would have to scrap the cap floor otherwise most sides would go bust ie CCM would be gone in 1 season For me i'd be rid of it we dont need it anymore perhaps when the league started it served a purpose but now it just promotes mediocrity where shit players get paid to much and good players leave the league because they get to little and we have this broke marquee system Most people want the cap floor gone. The shit players are close to minimum wage. The best players are always going to go to a better league which is a good thing as they get exposed to a higher level of competition. The floor is just min wage. Everything else can be whatever the clubs are willing to pay. The salary cap floor is where clubs have to spend a minimum of 90% of the cap. My understanding of it is that it doesn't have anything to do with individual wages. isnt there a lock on squad numbers? if that is the case then it certainly does?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xkeep the cap but double it to $6 million. scrap all the other loopholes except for one marquee spot. but this marquee spot can only be used to bring in a big fish marquee like a Del Piero or Honda type. The problem with doubling it is that most clubs would go bust under the current salary cap rules there is a floor to the cap i think it is at 'least 80%' (or something like that) of the cap max needs to be spent on the squad. You would have to scrap the cap floor otherwise most sides would go bust ie CCM would be gone in 1 season For me i'd be rid of it we dont need it anymore perhaps when the league started it served a purpose but now it just promotes mediocrity where shit players get paid to much and good players leave the league because they get to little and we have this broke marquee system Most people want the cap floor gone. The shit players are close to minimum wage. The best players are always going to go to a better league which is a good thing as they get exposed to a higher level of competition. The floor is just min wage. Everything else can be whatever the clubs are willing to pay. The salary cap floor is where clubs have to spend a minimum of 90% of the cap. My understanding of it is that it doesn't have anything to do with individual wages. isnt there a lock on squad numbers? if that is the case then it certainly does? Teams are allowed 20-23 players in their squads. Marquees and junior marquee are outside the squad as well as the mature aged rookie and scholarship players. All of these players wages are outside the cap. However their is a minimum wage, just like any other occupation.
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Voted yes but I'd prefer to move to a middle option like a FFP system.
If I was completely in charge though, I'd be weird and create a hybrid FFP where it wasn't just based on income but also spending such as infrastructure or maybe junior development. So if you were investing in a new stadium, you were rewarded with the ability to spend more. That way, if a rich owner for instance wanted to increase wages above the team's income, it would also require long-term investments. I imagine I'm "unique" and no one in the world would like this though :)
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+xVoted yes but I'd prefer to move to a middle option like a FFP system. Scrapping the salary cap and FFP go hand in hand. Can't scrap the cap without bringing in some form of FFP. If we must have a cap though, i'd much rather see a strict cap of $10M (no exemptions) than what we have now. Salary floor needs to go as well. Salary floor should simply be based on whatever the min wage is as per the CBA.
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I'd say no salary cap for VISAs and a larger cap for Australians. I just dont want to see City buying all of the best Australians and having them sit on the bench. Think removing the cap for VISAs will help us be more competitive attracting players on the world market, more competitive in the champions league while also keeping a spread of the local talent. I'd say allowing for transfer fees is more important at the moment.
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No. Salary cap is for pussies. You cannot on one hand want more financial investment into the league, which it is crying out for, and then on another hand place very stringent measures on how an investor spends it and how they spend it.
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Eventually no, and allow transfers and loans to happen which has to happen I.e the Bruno situation would have been resolved by now.
If they do keep it in some form they should allow foreign players to get payed more so it allows to keep the best ones here, like what they do in Holland.
But eventually no until we get the 2nd division up and running where it will create a market for players and coaches to come in and out of the league system.
It’s time our league grows up and moves with the rest of the world marketplace.
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Nup. Handbrake on the game.
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Scap the cap and salary cap floor. The salary cap doesn't work, the A-league is no more competitive than overseas leagues.
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get rid of it. reward clubs who invest in their own squad.
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That means regional clubs will have no chance and we’ll have a constant lopsided competition. We’ll know what boring really means then.
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“That means regional clubs will have no chance and we’ll have a constant lopsided competition. We’ll know what boring really means then.“ No one watches the A league for the Mariners.
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+x“That means regional clubs will have no chance and we’ll have a constant lopsided competition. We’ll know what boring really means then.“No one watches the A league for the Mariners. Most people would rather the Mariners be successful than a club like Victory.
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+xget rid of it. reward clubs who buy the league. Fixed
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+x+xget rid of it. reward clubs who buy the league. Fixed well it failed anyway because sydney fc and melbourne victory are winning title most of the titles so just scrap it
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How many times do we have to go over this
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Yes and no.
If you keep it should be a hard cap. This arrangement at the moment where there are so many exemptions and where the FFA subsidies a strong team with Honda is stupid. It is not doing its job as an equalization measure so it is useless.
Once you get to that stage it should be no cap.
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+x... This arrangement at the moment where there are so many exemptions and where the FFA subsidies a strong team with Honda is stupid. It is not doing its job as an equalization measure so it is useless. Once you get to that stage it should be no cap. This. I don't get how people can support the current setup. It's significantly flawed.
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No to the cap
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Depends on what your goal is with said cap:
If the goal is competition equalisation, than it needs to be a hard cap. As others have already mentioned, there are too many loopholes in the current cap for it to be effective as an equalisation measure.
If the goal is financial security, then it needs to be scrapped and replaced with FFP (or a form of it). This will allow clubs to expand and contract as necessary, whilst ensuring they don't over reach their financial capability.
My preference would be overwhelmingly the latter - implement a proper football environment and we'll get a much improved professional scene.
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I voted no. Get rid of it, more negatives than positives with the cap.
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“well it failed anyway because sydney fc and melbourne victory are winning title most of the titles so just scrap it”
In the last 7 years there’s been 5 different champions.
In the last 8 years SFC have been champions once
Sounds like the cap is equalising things after all
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+x“well it failed anyway because sydney fc and melbourne victory are winning title most of the titles so just scrap it”In the last 7 years there’s been 5 different champions. In the last 8 years SFC have been champions once Sounds like the cap is equalising things after all I'd say the cap has made the competition fairer most clubs have felt some level of success but it has NOT grown the competition TV views and attendance has stalled if not gone a little backwards lately because the games gone stale. It is great there is a few new clubs joining the league. Which will hopefully increase interest next season however if Nix leave we are back to a 10 teams (11 when South Sydney join) season so i hope they can get there sh*t together. Just because the league is competitive doesnt make it 'good' and it doesnt seem to be making it more entertaining, wouldnt you agree?
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+x+x“well it failed anyway because sydney fc and melbourne victory are winning title most of the titles so just scrap it”In the last 7 years there’s been 5 different champions. In the last 8 years SFC have been champions once Sounds like the cap is equalising things after all I'd say the cap has made the competition fairer most clubs have felt some level of success but it has NOT grown the competition TV views and attendance has stalled if not gone a little backwards lately because the games gone stale. It is great there is a few new clubs joining the league. Which will hopefully increase interest next season however if Nix leave we are back to a 10 teams (11 when South Sydney join) season so i hope they can get there sh*t together. Just because the league is competitive doesnt make it 'good' and it doesnt seem to be making it more entertaining, wouldnt you agree? The removal of the salary cap also won't suddenly increase interest as fans will probably know the result of a lot of the games before a ball has even been kicked. Also ff we have a league dominated by a couple of clubs, we could well have plenty of matches where teams park the bus and still lose by 3,4,5 goals. One sided games aren't going to increase interest. Games that are close with both teams going for the win will increase interest. The quality of football increases every year anyway while also evening out the competition so removing the cap won't increase interest.
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+x+x+x“well it failed anyway because sydney fc and melbourne victory are winning title most of the titles so just scrap it”In the last 7 years there’s been 5 different champions. In the last 8 years SFC have been champions once Sounds like the cap is equalising things after all I'd say the cap has made the competition fairer most clubs have felt some level of success but it has NOT grown the competition TV views and attendance has stalled if not gone a little backwards lately because the games gone stale. It is great there is a few new clubs joining the league. Which will hopefully increase interest next season however if Nix leave we are back to a 10 teams (11 when South Sydney join) season so i hope they can get there sh*t together. Just because the league is competitive doesnt make it 'good' and it doesnt seem to be making it more entertaining, wouldnt you agree? The removal of the salary cap also won't suddenly increase interest as fans will probably know the result of a lot of the games before a ball has even been kicked. Also ff we have a league dominated by a couple of clubs, we could well have plenty of matches where teams park the bus and still lose by 3,4,5 goals. One sided games aren't going to increase interest. Games that are close with both teams going for the win will increase interest. The quality of football increases every year anyway while also evening out the competition so removing the cap won't increase interest. the top 5 leagues in the world are all dominated by a few clubs so your clearly wrong....people still turn up to watch Huddersfield and Fulham even tho they are terrible this season, because fans love the club and are battling relegation is actually interesting. Having a league like ours makes teams struggling like WSW uninteresting thus there fan base has basically decided not to turn up but if WSW were on a knifes edge to go down they would be seeing 12-20k a week to support the club in a tough time You need to look at the facts not just make 'sh*t' up that was our FFA has done and it had f***d our league
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+x+x+x+x“well it failed anyway because sydney fc and melbourne victory are winning title most of the titles so just scrap it”In the last 7 years there’s been 5 different champions. In the last 8 years SFC have been champions once Sounds like the cap is equalising things after all I'd say the cap has made the competition fairer most clubs have felt some level of success but it has NOT grown the competition TV views and attendance has stalled if not gone a little backwards lately because the games gone stale. It is great there is a few new clubs joining the league. Which will hopefully increase interest next season however if Nix leave we are back to a 10 teams (11 when South Sydney join) season so i hope they can get there sh*t together. Just because the league is competitive doesnt make it 'good' and it doesnt seem to be making it more entertaining, wouldnt you agree? The removal of the salary cap also won't suddenly increase interest as fans will probably know the result of a lot of the games before a ball has even been kicked. Also ff we have a league dominated by a couple of clubs, we could well have plenty of matches where teams park the bus and still lose by 3,4,5 goals. One sided games aren't going to increase interest. Games that are close with both teams going for the win will increase interest. The quality of football increases every year anyway while also evening out the competition so removing the cap won't increase interest. the top 5 leagues in the world are all dominated by a few clubs so your clearly wrong....people still turn up to watch Huddersfield and Fulham even tho they are terrible this season, because fans love the club and are battling relegation is actually interesting. Having a league like ours makes teams struggling like WSW uninteresting thus there fan base has basically decided not to turn up but if WSW were on a knifes edge to go down they would be seeing 12-20k a week to support the club in a tough time You need to look at the facts not just make 'sh*t' up that was our FFA has done and it had f***d our league Your whole point is solved by pro / rel and a 2nd division. Hardly a salary cap argument.
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+x+x+x+x+x“well it failed anyway because sydney fc and melbourne victory are winning title most of the titles so just scrap it”In the last 7 years there’s been 5 different champions. In the last 8 years SFC have been champions once Sounds like the cap is equalising things after all I'd say the cap has made the competition fairer most clubs have felt some level of success but it has NOT grown the competition TV views and attendance has stalled if not gone a little backwards lately because the games gone stale. It is great there is a few new clubs joining the league. Which will hopefully increase interest next season however if Nix leave we are back to a 10 teams (11 when South Sydney join) season so i hope they can get there sh*t together. Just because the league is competitive doesnt make it 'good' and it doesnt seem to be making it more entertaining, wouldnt you agree? The removal of the salary cap also won't suddenly increase interest as fans will probably know the result of a lot of the games before a ball has even been kicked. Also ff we have a league dominated by a couple of clubs, we could well have plenty of matches where teams park the bus and still lose by 3,4,5 goals. One sided games aren't going to increase interest. Games that are close with both teams going for the win will increase interest. The quality of football increases every year anyway while also evening out the competition so removing the cap won't increase interest. the top 5 leagues in the world are all dominated by a few clubs so your clearly wrong....people still turn up to watch Huddersfield and Fulham even tho they are terrible this season, because fans love the club and are battling relegation is actually interesting. Having a league like ours makes teams struggling like WSW uninteresting thus there fan base has basically decided not to turn up but if WSW were on a knifes edge to go down they would be seeing 12-20k a week to support the club in a tough time You need to look at the facts not just make 'sh*t' up that was our FFA has done and it had f***d our league Most of your points are solved and more so resolved by pro / rel and a 2nd division. Hardly a salary cap argument though. wont ever have pro/rel with the salary cap we need around 28 teams to have pro/ rel we struggle to sustain 10 teams there is 'not enough money' simply put at the moment 10 teams salary cap (without extras) is 2.6 million so between the 10 teams that is 26 million (that is just squad costs) so if we had 28 teams thats brings you a touch under 73 million..... to have a proper pro/rel league we need to triple the money in the game, where is that money going to come from? sure more teams would result in more money but not that much more? The reality is some clubs would need to pay there squad min wage to field a team and some clubs can afford to pay all starting players big money ie Victory or SFC but regardless you would have 28 teams which results in a much bigger league more opportunity for players and a better standard. It is nice to say we want pro/rel but it wont happen under this model soon as the FFA realise that the best 76 million on player wages add all the extra ie pitch costs, coaching, flights, medical team, marketing etc and it is probably over 110 million to have a pro/rel league if you have no cap it could be a lot cheaper and the league would be a lot more interesting it would also result in a better transfer market for Australian players. Team could sell players overseas for millions opposed to letting players go for small transfer fees the game would be in a much better place. you need to think big to make the league big the salary cap has already seen 3 clubs fold with nix likely to be the 4th club to go under...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x“well it failed anyway because sydney fc and melbourne victory are winning title most of the titles so just scrap it”In the last 7 years there’s been 5 different champions. In the last 8 years SFC have been champions once Sounds like the cap is equalising things after all I'd say the cap has made the competition fairer most clubs have felt some level of success but it has NOT grown the competition TV views and attendance has stalled if not gone a little backwards lately because the games gone stale. It is great there is a few new clubs joining the league. Which will hopefully increase interest next season however if Nix leave we are back to a 10 teams (11 when South Sydney join) season so i hope they can get there sh*t together. Just because the league is competitive doesnt make it 'good' and it doesnt seem to be making it more entertaining, wouldnt you agree? The removal of the salary cap also won't suddenly increase interest as fans will probably know the result of a lot of the games before a ball has even been kicked. Also ff we have a league dominated by a couple of clubs, we could well have plenty of matches where teams park the bus and still lose by 3,4,5 goals. One sided games aren't going to increase interest. Games that are close with both teams going for the win will increase interest. The quality of football increases every year anyway while also evening out the competition so removing the cap won't increase interest. the top 5 leagues in the world are all dominated by a few clubs so your clearly wrong....people still turn up to watch Huddersfield and Fulham even tho they are terrible this season, because fans love the club and are battling relegation is actually interesting. Having a league like ours makes teams struggling like WSW uninteresting thus there fan base has basically decided not to turn up but if WSW were on a knifes edge to go down they would be seeing 12-20k a week to support the club in a tough time You need to look at the facts not just make 'sh*t' up that was our FFA has done and it had f***d our league Most of your points are solved and more so resolved by pro / rel and a 2nd division. Hardly a salary cap argument though. wont ever have pro/rel with a salary caps we need around 28 teams to have pro/ rel we struggle to sustain 10 teams there is 'not enough money' simply put at the moment 10 teams salary cap (without extras) is 2.6 million so between the 10 teams that 26 million so if we had 28 teams thats brings you a touch under 73 million..... to have a proper pro/rel league we need to triple the money in the game, where is that money going to come from? sure more teams would result in more money but not that much more? The reality is some clubs would need to pay there squad almost all players min wage and some clubs can afford to pay all players half a million ie Victory or SFC but regardless you would have 28 teams which results in a much bigger league more opportunity for players and a better standard. It is nice to say we want pro/rel but it wont happen under this model 76 million on player wages add all the extra ie pitch costs, coaching, flights etc and it is probably over 100million to have a pro/rel league if you have no cap it could be a lot cheaper and the league would be a lot more interesting So the resolution is to get rid of the salary cap, have half the league as sacrificial lambs paying a whole squad min wage. All to make the league more exciting and competitive in the aus and asian market? eeek. Somehow i don't agree with that.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x“well it failed anyway because sydney fc and melbourne victory are winning title most of the titles so just scrap it”In the last 7 years there’s been 5 different champions. In the last 8 years SFC have been champions once Sounds like the cap is equalising things after all I'd say the cap has made the competition fairer most clubs have felt some level of success but it has NOT grown the competition TV views and attendance has stalled if not gone a little backwards lately because the games gone stale. It is great there is a few new clubs joining the league. Which will hopefully increase interest next season however if Nix leave we are back to a 10 teams (11 when South Sydney join) season so i hope they can get there sh*t together. Just because the league is competitive doesnt make it 'good' and it doesnt seem to be making it more entertaining, wouldnt you agree? The removal of the salary cap also won't suddenly increase interest as fans will probably know the result of a lot of the games before a ball has even been kicked. Also ff we have a league dominated by a couple of clubs, we could well have plenty of matches where teams park the bus and still lose by 3,4,5 goals. One sided games aren't going to increase interest. Games that are close with both teams going for the win will increase interest. The quality of football increases every year anyway while also evening out the competition so removing the cap won't increase interest. the top 5 leagues in the world are all dominated by a few clubs so your clearly wrong....people still turn up to watch Huddersfield and Fulham even tho they are terrible this season, because fans love the club and are battling relegation is actually interesting. Having a league like ours makes teams struggling like WSW uninteresting thus there fan base has basically decided not to turn up but if WSW were on a knifes edge to go down they would be seeing 12-20k a week to support the club in a tough time You need to look at the facts not just make 'sh*t' up that was our FFA has done and it had f***d our league Most of your points are solved and more so resolved by pro / rel and a 2nd division. Hardly a salary cap argument though. wont ever have pro/rel with a salary caps we need around 28 teams to have pro/ rel we struggle to sustain 10 teams there is 'not enough money' simply put at the moment 10 teams salary cap (without extras) is 2.6 million so between the 10 teams that 26 million so if we had 28 teams thats brings you a touch under 73 million..... to have a proper pro/rel league we need to triple the money in the game, where is that money going to come from? sure more teams would result in more money but not that much more? The reality is some clubs would need to pay there squad almost all players min wage and some clubs can afford to pay all players half a million ie Victory or SFC but regardless you would have 28 teams which results in a much bigger league more opportunity for players and a better standard. It is nice to say we want pro/rel but it wont happen under this model 76 million on player wages add all the extra ie pitch costs, coaching, flights etc and it is probably over 100million to have a pro/rel league if you have no cap it could be a lot cheaper and the league would be a lot more interesting So the resolution is to get rid of the salary cap, have half the league as sacrificial lambs paying a whole squad min wage. All to make the league more exciting and competitive in the aus and asian market? eeek. Somehow i don't agree with that. Well, if half the league is on min wage, then at least those 5 teams will be playing competitive against one another :) Do you think fans of the clubs will be happy paying min wage for a squad year on year? The demands to be competitive would mean clubs would spend more on players.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x“well it failed anyway because sydney fc and melbourne victory are winning title most of the titles so just scrap it”In the last 7 years there’s been 5 different champions. In the last 8 years SFC have been champions once Sounds like the cap is equalising things after all I'd say the cap has made the competition fairer most clubs have felt some level of success but it has NOT grown the competition TV views and attendance has stalled if not gone a little backwards lately because the games gone stale. It is great there is a few new clubs joining the league. Which will hopefully increase interest next season however if Nix leave we are back to a 10 teams (11 when South Sydney join) season so i hope they can get there sh*t together. Just because the league is competitive doesnt make it 'good' and it doesnt seem to be making it more entertaining, wouldnt you agree? The removal of the salary cap also won't suddenly increase interest as fans will probably know the result of a lot of the games before a ball has even been kicked. Also ff we have a league dominated by a couple of clubs, we could well have plenty of matches where teams park the bus and still lose by 3,4,5 goals. One sided games aren't going to increase interest. Games that are close with both teams going for the win will increase interest. The quality of football increases every year anyway while also evening out the competition so removing the cap won't increase interest. the top 5 leagues in the world are all dominated by a few clubs so your clearly wrong....people still turn up to watch Huddersfield and Fulham even tho they are terrible this season, because fans love the club and are battling relegation is actually interesting. Having a league like ours makes teams struggling like WSW uninteresting thus there fan base has basically decided not to turn up but if WSW were on a knifes edge to go down they would be seeing 12-20k a week to support the club in a tough time You need to look at the facts not just make 'sh*t' up that was our FFA has done and it had f***d our league Most of your points are solved and more so resolved by pro / rel and a 2nd division. Hardly a salary cap argument though. wont ever have pro/rel with a salary caps we need around 28 teams to have pro/ rel we struggle to sustain 10 teams there is 'not enough money' simply put at the moment 10 teams salary cap (without extras) is 2.6 million so between the 10 teams that 26 million so if we had 28 teams thats brings you a touch under 73 million..... to have a proper pro/rel league we need to triple the money in the game, where is that money going to come from? sure more teams would result in more money but not that much more? The reality is some clubs would need to pay there squad almost all players min wage and some clubs can afford to pay all players half a million ie Victory or SFC but regardless you would have 28 teams which results in a much bigger league more opportunity for players and a better standard. It is nice to say we want pro/rel but it wont happen under this model 76 million on player wages add all the extra ie pitch costs, coaching, flights etc and it is probably over 100million to have a pro/rel league if you have no cap it could be a lot cheaper and the league would be a lot more interesting So the resolution is to get rid of the salary cap, have half the league as sacrificial lambs paying a whole squad min wage. All to make the league more exciting and competitive in the aus and asian market? eeek. Somehow i don't agree with that. Well, if half the league is on min wage, then at least those 5 teams will be playing competitive against one another :) Do you think fans of the clubs will be happy paying min wage for a squad year on year? The demands to be competitive would mean clubs would spend more on players. CCM fans have been doing it for years that have been spending the min cap requirements and have not been a competitive team for 3 seasons...Nix are guilty of this too but this season that have uncovered a few top young players The fact is without pro/rel there is no consequence at least if we removed the cap floated another 10-12 teams for a 2nd division and see how ti goes...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x“well it failed anyway because sydney fc and melbourne victory are winning title most of the titles so just scrap it”In the last 7 years there’s been 5 different champions. In the last 8 years SFC have been champions once Sounds like the cap is equalising things after all I'd say the cap has made the competition fairer most clubs have felt some level of success but it has NOT grown the competition TV views and attendance has stalled if not gone a little backwards lately because the games gone stale. It is great there is a few new clubs joining the league. Which will hopefully increase interest next season however if Nix leave we are back to a 10 teams (11 when South Sydney join) season so i hope they can get there sh*t together. Just because the league is competitive doesnt make it 'good' and it doesnt seem to be making it more entertaining, wouldnt you agree? The removal of the salary cap also won't suddenly increase interest as fans will probably know the result of a lot of the games before a ball has even been kicked. Also ff we have a league dominated by a couple of clubs, we could well have plenty of matches where teams park the bus and still lose by 3,4,5 goals. One sided games aren't going to increase interest. Games that are close with both teams going for the win will increase interest. The quality of football increases every year anyway while also evening out the competition so removing the cap won't increase interest. the top 5 leagues in the world are all dominated by a few clubs so your clearly wrong....people still turn up to watch Huddersfield and Fulham even tho they are terrible this season, because fans love the club and are battling relegation is actually interesting. Having a league like ours makes teams struggling like WSW uninteresting thus there fan base has basically decided not to turn up but if WSW were on a knifes edge to go down they would be seeing 12-20k a week to support the club in a tough time You need to look at the facts not just make 'sh*t' up that was our FFA has done and it had f***d our league Most of your points are solved and more so resolved by pro / rel and a 2nd division. Hardly a salary cap argument though. wont ever have pro/rel with a salary caps we need around 28 teams to have pro/ rel we struggle to sustain 10 teams there is 'not enough money' simply put at the moment 10 teams salary cap (without extras) is 2.6 million so between the 10 teams that 26 million so if we had 28 teams thats brings you a touch under 73 million..... to have a proper pro/rel league we need to triple the money in the game, where is that money going to come from? sure more teams would result in more money but not that much more? The reality is some clubs would need to pay there squad almost all players min wage and some clubs can afford to pay all players half a million ie Victory or SFC but regardless you would have 28 teams which results in a much bigger league more opportunity for players and a better standard. It is nice to say we want pro/rel but it wont happen under this model 76 million on player wages add all the extra ie pitch costs, coaching, flights etc and it is probably over 100million to have a pro/rel league if you have no cap it could be a lot cheaper and the league would be a lot more interesting So the resolution is to get rid of the salary cap, have half the league as sacrificial lambs paying a whole squad min wage. All to make the league more exciting and competitive in the aus and asian market? eeek. Somehow i don't agree with that. Well, if half the league is on min wage, then at least those 5 teams will be playing competitive against one another :) Do you think fans of the clubs will be happy paying min wage for a squad year on year? The demands to be competitive would mean clubs would spend more on players. I believe your question should be directed to Coffee Jackal not me haha.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x“well it failed anyway because sydney fc and melbourne victory are winning title most of the titles so just scrap it”In the last 7 years there’s been 5 different champions. In the last 8 years SFC have been champions once Sounds like the cap is equalising things after all I'd say the cap has made the competition fairer most clubs have felt some level of success but it has NOT grown the competition TV views and attendance has stalled if not gone a little backwards lately because the games gone stale. It is great there is a few new clubs joining the league. Which will hopefully increase interest next season however if Nix leave we are back to a 10 teams (11 when South Sydney join) season so i hope they can get there sh*t together. Just because the league is competitive doesnt make it 'good' and it doesnt seem to be making it more entertaining, wouldnt you agree? The removal of the salary cap also won't suddenly increase interest as fans will probably know the result of a lot of the games before a ball has even been kicked. Also ff we have a league dominated by a couple of clubs, we could well have plenty of matches where teams park the bus and still lose by 3,4,5 goals. One sided games aren't going to increase interest. Games that are close with both teams going for the win will increase interest. The quality of football increases every year anyway while also evening out the competition so removing the cap won't increase interest. the top 5 leagues in the world are all dominated by a few clubs so your clearly wrong....people still turn up to watch Huddersfield and Fulham even tho they are terrible this season, because fans love the club and are battling relegation is actually interesting. Having a league like ours makes teams struggling like WSW uninteresting thus there fan base has basically decided not to turn up but if WSW were on a knifes edge to go down they would be seeing 12-20k a week to support the club in a tough time You need to look at the facts not just make 'sh*t' up that was our FFA has done and it had f***d our league Most of your points are solved and more so resolved by pro / rel and a 2nd division. Hardly a salary cap argument though. wont ever have pro/rel with the salary cap we need around 28 teams to have pro/ rel we struggle to sustain 10 teams there is 'not enough money' simply put at the moment 10 teams salary cap (without extras) is 2.6 million so between the 10 teams that is 26 million (that is just squad costs) so if we had 28 teams thats brings you a touch under 73 million..... to have a proper pro/rel league we need to triple the money in the game, where is that money going to come from? sure more teams would result in more money but not that much more? The reality is some clubs would need to pay there squad min wage to field a team and some clubs can afford to pay all starting players big money ie Victory or SFC but regardless you would have 28 teams which results in a much bigger league more opportunity for players and a better standard. It is nice to say we want pro/rel but it wont happen under this model soon as the FFA realise that the best 76 million on player wages add all the extra ie pitch costs, coaching, flights, medical team, marketing etc and it is probably over 110 million to have a pro/rel league if you have no cap it could be a lot cheaper and the league would be a lot more interesting it would also result in a better transfer market for Australian players. Team could sell players overseas for millions opposed to letting players go for small transfer fees the game would be in a much better place. you need to think big to make the league big the salary cap has already seen 3 clubs fold with nix likely to be the 4th club to go under... But thats just it, the model definitely needs to change. But does the Salary Cap have to be removed completely??
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+x+x+x+x“well it failed anyway because sydney fc and melbourne victory are winning title most of the titles so just scrap it”In the last 7 years there’s been 5 different champions. In the last 8 years SFC have been champions once Sounds like the cap is equalising things after all I'd say the cap has made the competition fairer most clubs have felt some level of success but it has NOT grown the competition TV views and attendance has stalled if not gone a little backwards lately because the games gone stale. It is great there is a few new clubs joining the league. Which will hopefully increase interest next season however if Nix leave we are back to a 10 teams (11 when South Sydney join) season so i hope they can get there sh*t together. Just because the league is competitive doesnt make it 'good' and it doesnt seem to be making it more entertaining, wouldnt you agree? The removal of the salary cap also won't suddenly increase interest as fans will probably know the result of a lot of the games before a ball has even been kicked. Also ff we have a league dominated by a couple of clubs, we could well have plenty of matches where teams park the bus and still lose by 3,4,5 goals. One sided games aren't going to increase interest. Games that are close with both teams going for the win will increase interest. The quality of football increases every year anyway while also evening out the competition so removing the cap won't increase interest. the top 5 leagues in the world are all dominated by a few clubs so your clearly wrong....people still turn up to watch Huddersfield and Fulham even tho they are terrible this season, because fans love the club and are battling relegation is actually interesting. Having a league like ours makes teams struggling like WSW uninteresting thus there fan base has basically decided not to turn up but if WSW were on a knifes edge to go down they would be seeing 12-20k a week to support the club in a tough time You need to look at the facts not just make 'sh*t' up that was our FFA has done and it had f***d our league "the top 5 leagues in the world are all dominated by a few clubs so your clearly wrong" - They are and I said that's the case. Fulham and Huddersfield have bigger fanbases than A-League sides so of course they are going to have ok crowds. However, being a fan of an EPL club outside the top 6 is boring unless you support a newly promoted club as the highest you can finish is 7th and as a result, teams stagnate because they can't finish any higher and get relegated like Stoke or West Brom for example. Your WSW point is dumb because everyone knows the real reason fans aren't turning up is because they are playing away from Parramatta and fans are having issues with the Police, Stadium management, etc. Their crowds aren't suddenly going to jump because they could go down. Look at Sunderland and Villa. Their crowds dropped. Those are only two examples. Aston Villa 2014-15 attendance: 34,133. Aston Villa 2015-16 attendance: 33,690 (Year they went down) Sunderland 2015-16 attendance: 43,071Sunderland 2016-17 attendance: 41,287 (Year they went down) I suggest you look at facts rather than call your opinions facts.
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+x“well it failed anyway because sydney fc and melbourne victory are winning title most of the titles so just scrap it”In the last 7 years there’s been 5 different champions. In the last 8 years SFC have been champions once Sounds like the cap is equalising things after all This. Plus Perth are favourites to win this year so there could be 6 champions in 8 years. It shows that anyone can win if they get their recruitment right.
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Cap should be kept, Its done wonders for the Nix & CCM.
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@ coffee jackal
Agree with all that. I’m not in favour of the cap. I was just pointing out the reality of recent winners in light of an earlier comment
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Get rid of it.
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+xGet rid of it. Communism is failure in any shape or form. this
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Some clubs will only truly spend up big if they can see a return on their investment.
The model will have to change to allow:
1/ significantly increased prize money for winning the Premiership and Championship, rewarding success
2/ Increased ability to increase revenue streams
3/ continued increases in ACL prizemoney by the AFC, further driving clubs to increase spending to better compete in Asia
Overall, at present clubs are not really rewarded by spending up big, even if that brings success on the park in the HAL. Melbourne City have stated they won’t increase spending until the model changes, but who knows how other clubs will undertake the process if the cap is lifted.
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+x Simple question would you keep the salary cap? and why?
Me personally I hate the salary cap I understand why it exists but I think it is killing the HAL and is probably the biggest reason the league has stopped improving (possibly only 2 nd to a lack of promotion/relegation). If it was me I’d let the cream rise to the top because all the best leagues in the world are dominated by a few big clubs and us trying to be different is clearly not working. Seems to me the league this year is the highest quality it's ever been.
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+x+x Simple question would you keep the salary cap? and why?
Me personally I hate the salary cap I understand why it exists but I think it is killing the HAL and is probably the biggest reason the league has stopped improving (possibly only 2 nd to a lack of promotion/relegation). If it was me I’d let the cream rise to the top because all the best leagues in the world are dominated by a few big clubs and us trying to be different is clearly not working. Seems to me the league this year is the highest quality it's ever been. what you smoking bloke im a Victory fan and ill tell you the league hit its highs when Roar had Ange (with Berisha leading the line in his prime) and WSW won the ACL i'd actually say this is probably one of the poorer seasons we have had in recent years the lack of youth (Australian youth not Nz) is a testament to the league having an average season you still got players like Matt Simon getting a run... If anything i'd say this is one of the poorer season and Victory are sitting second with there marquee out for at least another 3 weeks
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+x+x+x Simple question would you keep the salary cap? and why?
Me personally I hate the salary cap I understand why it exists but I think it is killing the HAL and is probably the biggest reason the league has stopped improving (possibly only 2 nd to a lack of promotion/relegation). If it was me I’d let the cream rise to the top because all the best leagues in the world are dominated by a few big clubs and us trying to be different is clearly not working. Seems to me the league this year is the highest quality it's ever been. what you smoking bloke im a Victory fan and ill tell you the league hit its highs when Roar had Ange (with Berisha leading the line in his prime) and WSW won the ACL i'd actually say this is probably one of the poorer seasons we have had in recent years the lack of youth (Australian youth not Nz) is a testament to the league having an average season you still got players like Matt Simon getting a run... If anything i'd say this is one of the poorer season and Victory are sitting second with there marquee out for at least another 3 weeks " How is Australian football?A: Australian football is very pure, very physical and in the process of growth. The professional league only takes 15-16 years. Since I arrived, I have noticed a lot of improvement year after year, both technically and tactically." - IsaiasMost posters on here hold the view that the league gets better every year.
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+x+x+x+x Simple question would you keep the salary cap? and why?
Me personally I hate the salary cap I understand why it exists but I think it is killing the HAL and is probably the biggest reason the league has stopped improving (possibly only 2 nd to a lack of promotion/relegation). If it was me I’d let the cream rise to the top because all the best leagues in the world are dominated by a few big clubs and us trying to be different is clearly not working. Seems to me the league this year is the highest quality it's ever been. what you smoking bloke im a Victory fan and ill tell you the league hit its highs when Roar had Ange (with Berisha leading the line in his prime) and WSW won the ACL i'd actually say this is probably one of the poorer seasons we have had in recent years the lack of youth (Australian youth not Nz) is a testament to the league having an average season you still got players like Matt Simon getting a run... If anything i'd say this is one of the poorer season and Victory are sitting second with there marquee out for at least another 3 weeks " How is Australian football?A: Australian football is very pure, very physical and in the process of growth. The professional league only takes 15-16 years. Since I arrived, I have noticed a lot of improvement year after year, both technically and tactically." - IsaiasMost posters on here hold the view that the league gets better every year. Who would say the league is getting better? Since around season 7 the league has stagnated if not gone backwards the biggest thing to improve the league was the introduction of the coaching licence rules other then that nothing has been done to improve the HAL. I'd argue the lose of two of its more gifted coaches Ange and Arnold (and Popa for a while) has hurt the league. The cap is relatively the same, the marquees are still very much hit or miss and the other international players are better then when the league started but are also very much hit or miss there is no real reason for the league to improve? There is no bases for improvement perhaps with an additional team next season might be better but overall you argument is the league is getting miraculously getting better ever year makes no sense... This is probably one of the worst seasons of HAL in a few years
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+x+x+x+x+x Simple question would you keep the salary cap? and why?
Me personally I hate the salary cap I understand why it exists but I think it is killing the HAL and is probably the biggest reason the league has stopped improving (possibly only 2 nd to a lack of promotion/relegation). If it was me I’d let the cream rise to the top because all the best leagues in the world are dominated by a few big clubs and us trying to be different is clearly not working. Seems to me the league this year is the highest quality it's ever been. what you smoking bloke im a Victory fan and ill tell you the league hit its highs when Roar had Ange (with Berisha leading the line in his prime) and WSW won the ACL i'd actually say this is probably one of the poorer seasons we have had in recent years the lack of youth (Australian youth not Nz) is a testament to the league having an average season you still got players like Matt Simon getting a run... If anything i'd say this is one of the poorer season and Victory are sitting second with there marquee out for at least another 3 weeks " How is Australian football?A: Australian football is very pure, very physical and in the process of growth. The professional league only takes 15-16 years. Since I arrived, I have noticed a lot of improvement year after year, both technically and tactically." - IsaiasMost posters on here hold the view that the league gets better every year. Who would say the league is getting better? Since around season 7 the league has stagnated if not gone backwards Most posters on here as well as Isaias who the quote is attributed to.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x Simple question would you keep the salary cap? and why?
Me personally I hate the salary cap I understand why it exists but I think it is killing the HAL and is probably the biggest reason the league has stopped improving (possibly only 2 nd to a lack of promotion/relegation). If it was me I’d let the cream rise to the top because all the best leagues in the world are dominated by a few big clubs and us trying to be different is clearly not working. Seems to me the league this year is the highest quality it's ever been. what you smoking bloke im a Victory fan and ill tell you the league hit its highs when Roar had Ange (with Berisha leading the line in his prime) and WSW won the ACL i'd actually say this is probably one of the poorer seasons we have had in recent years the lack of youth (Australian youth not Nz) is a testament to the league having an average season you still got players like Matt Simon getting a run... If anything i'd say this is one of the poorer season and Victory are sitting second with there marquee out for at least another 3 weeks " How is Australian football?A: Australian football is very pure, very physical and in the process of growth. The professional league only takes 15-16 years. Since I arrived, I have noticed a lot of improvement year after year, both technically and tactically." - IsaiasMost posters on here hold the view that the league gets better every year. Who would say the league is getting better? Since around season 7 the league has stagnated if not gone backwards Most posters on here as well as Isaias who the quote is attributed to. Some team is always going to win the league. Some player is always going to kick a bag and stand out. Look across every league from the junior leagues right to the top and you see similar accomplishments and stats What determines a quality league is the grade. The grade of the league can't be determined internally, it is something that can only be measured comparatively. We have gone backwards in the ACL and the Socceroos have gone backwards. The youth teams have also gone backwards. We can't even play in the Olympics anymore. We see more and more of our best and stand out players go overseas and accomplish very little. Look at the sheer number of players who return a mere 1 or 2 seasons abroad The only thing I have seen is more teams give up 2 more 3 goal leads. And we also have this average of 3 goals a game. If you have a limited amount to spend then obviously that will favour strikers because thats the only way to win matches. So we see attack heavy games, goals a dozen - and yet strangely nobody who can play up front for the Socceroos because the overall grade is poor People are going to look at a league that has a lot of goals, and is the highest in the country, and say "Wow. That must be a great league. It just gets better and better each season!" It is the BBL of football
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x Simple question would you keep the salary cap? and why?
Me personally I hate the salary cap I understand why it exists but I think it is killing the HAL and is probably the biggest reason the league has stopped improving (possibly only 2 nd to a lack of promotion/relegation). If it was me I’d let the cream rise to the top because all the best leagues in the world are dominated by a few big clubs and us trying to be different is clearly not working. Seems to me the league this year is the highest quality it's ever been. what you smoking bloke im a Victory fan and ill tell you the league hit its highs when Roar had Ange (with Berisha leading the line in his prime) and WSW won the ACL i'd actually say this is probably one of the poorer seasons we have had in recent years the lack of youth (Australian youth not Nz) is a testament to the league having an average season you still got players like Matt Simon getting a run... If anything i'd say this is one of the poorer season and Victory are sitting second with there marquee out for at least another 3 weeks " How is Australian football?A: Australian football is very pure, very physical and in the process of growth. The professional league only takes 15-16 years. Since I arrived, I have noticed a lot of improvement year after year, both technically and tactically." - IsaiasMost posters on here hold the view that the league gets better every year. Who would say the league is getting better? Since around season 7 the league has stagnated if not gone backwards Most posters on here as well as Isaias who the quote is attributed to. Some team is always going to win the league. Some player is always going to kick a bag and stand out. Look across every league from the junior leagues right to the top and you see similar accomplishments and stats What determines a quality league is the grade. The grade of the league can't be determined internally, it is something that can only be measured comparatively. We have gone backwards in the ACL and the Socceroos have gone backwards. The youth teams have also gone backwards. We can't even play in the Olympics anymore. We see more and more of our best and stand out players go overseas and accomplish very little. Look at the sheer number of players who return a mere 1 or 2 seasons abroad The only thing I have seen is more teams give up 2 more 3 goal leads. And we also have this average of 3 goals a game. If you have a limited amount to spend then obviously that will favour strikers because thats the only way to win matches. So we see attack heavy games, goals a dozen - and yet strangely nobody who can play up front for the Socceroos because the overall grade is poor People are going to look at a league that has a lot of goals, and is the highest in the country, and say "Wow. That must be a great league. It just gets better and better each season!" It is the BBL of football Spot on post. Our standard is very low, and the football market is very immature. The media are also not helping the situation. I remember the days when our Youth Teams were dominating. We had great players coming through. Our NT was stronger. Now we can't take a trick and we barely can compete with the likes of Jordan, Syria and Oman. These are truly footballing minnows. Our players are getting chewed up overseas and spat out too. I use the term PEAK FOOTBALL. That is my way of saying we are going backwards and regressing. The HAL is NOT getting better each year, It is regressing and the level of player is getting poorer and poorer. Part of the problem is in fact the delusion tyhat we are getting better. This needs to end. So what are the solutions? Well, I am not sure if the salary cap will improve things. it could. But right now there is a massive disconnect between grass roots and the HAL. We need more teams and a second ier, plus promotion and relegation. A closed shop is bringing us closer to disaster each year. Last night, Australia was very lucky.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x Simple question would you keep the salary cap? and why?
Me personally I hate the salary cap I understand why it exists but I think it is killing the HAL and is probably the biggest reason the league has stopped improving (possibly only 2 nd to a lack of promotion/relegation). If it was me I’d let the cream rise to the top because all the best leagues in the world are dominated by a few big clubs and us trying to be different is clearly not working. Seems to me the league this year is the highest quality it's ever been. what you smoking bloke im a Victory fan and ill tell you the league hit its highs when Roar had Ange (with Berisha leading the line in his prime) and WSW won the ACL i'd actually say this is probably one of the poorer seasons we have had in recent years the lack of youth (Australian youth not Nz) is a testament to the league having an average season you still got players like Matt Simon getting a run... If anything i'd say this is one of the poorer season and Victory are sitting second with there marquee out for at least another 3 weeks " How is Australian football?A: Australian football is very pure, very physical and in the process of growth. The professional league only takes 15-16 years. Since I arrived, I have noticed a lot of improvement year after year, both technically and tactically." - IsaiasMost posters on here hold the view that the league gets better every year. Who would say the league is getting better? Since around season 7 the league has stagnated if not gone backwards Most posters on here as well as Isaias who the quote is attributed to. Some team is always going to win the league. Some player is always going to kick a bag and stand out. Look across every league from the junior leagues right to the top and you see similar accomplishments and stats What determines a quality league is the grade. The grade of the league can't be determined internally, it is something that can only be measured comparatively. We have gone backwards in the ACL and the Socceroos have gone backwards. The youth teams have also gone backwards. We can't even play in the Olympics anymore. We see more and more of our best and stand out players go overseas and accomplish very little. Look at the sheer number of players who return a mere 1 or 2 seasons abroad The only thing I have seen is more teams give up 2 more 3 goal leads. And we also have this average of 3 goals a game. If you have a limited amount to spend then obviously that will favour strikers because thats the only way to win matches. So we see attack heavy games, goals a dozen - and yet strangely nobody who can play up front for the Socceroos because the overall grade is poor People are going to look at a league that has a lot of goals, and is the highest in the country, and say "Wow. That must be a great league. It just gets better and better each season!" It is the BBL of football That's relative. If the A-League is getting better but at a slower rate than another league it's still getting better. But, the salary cap is so porous that it should be gotten rid of. There will have to be something like the fair play system that the UK has, or a soft cap with luxury tax like the US.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x Simple question would you keep the salary cap? and why?
Me personally I hate the salary cap I understand why it exists but I think it is killing the HAL and is probably the biggest reason the league has stopped improving (possibly only 2 nd to a lack of promotion/relegation). If it was me I’d let the cream rise to the top because all the best leagues in the world are dominated by a few big clubs and us trying to be different is clearly not working. Seems to me the league this year is the highest quality it's ever been. what you smoking bloke im a Victory fan and ill tell you the league hit its highs when Roar had Ange (with Berisha leading the line in his prime) and WSW won the ACL i'd actually say this is probably one of the poorer seasons we have had in recent years the lack of youth (Australian youth not Nz) is a testament to the league having an average season you still got players like Matt Simon getting a run... If anything i'd say this is one of the poorer season and Victory are sitting second with there marquee out for at least another 3 weeks " How is Australian football?A: Australian football is very pure, very physical and in the process of growth. The professional league only takes 15-16 years. Since I arrived, I have noticed a lot of improvement year after year, both technically and tactically." - IsaiasMost posters on here hold the view that the league gets better every year. Who would say the league is getting better? Since around season 7 the league has stagnated if not gone backwards Most posters on here as well as Isaias who the quote is attributed to. Some team is always going to win the league. Some player is always going to kick a bag and stand out. Look across every league from the junior leagues right to the top and you see similar accomplishments and stats What determines a quality league is the grade. The grade of the league can't be determined internally, it is something that can only be measured comparatively. We have gone backwards in the ACL and the Socceroos have gone backwards. The youth teams have also gone backwards. We can't even play in the Olympics anymore. We see more and more of our best and stand out players go overseas and accomplish very little. Look at the sheer number of players who return a mere 1 or 2 seasons abroad The only thing I have seen is more teams give up 2 more 3 goal leads. And we also have this average of 3 goals a game. If you have a limited amount to spend then obviously that will favour strikers because thats the only way to win matches. So we see attack heavy games, goals a dozen - and yet strangely nobody who can play up front for the Socceroos because the overall grade is poor People are going to look at a league that has a lot of goals, and is the highest in the country, and say "Wow. That must be a great league. It just gets better and better each season!" It is the BBL of football There will have to be something like the fair play system that the UK has, or a soft cap with luxury tax like the US. Why not wait to see which problems present?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x Simple question would you keep the salary cap? and why?
Me personally I hate the salary cap I understand why it exists but I think it is killing the HAL and is probably the biggest reason the league has stopped improving (possibly only 2 nd to a lack of promotion/relegation). If it was me I’d let the cream rise to the top because all the best leagues in the world are dominated by a few big clubs and us trying to be different is clearly not working. Seems to me the league this year is the highest quality it's ever been. what you smoking bloke im a Victory fan and ill tell you the league hit its highs when Roar had Ange (with Berisha leading the line in his prime) and WSW won the ACL i'd actually say this is probably one of the poorer seasons we have had in recent years the lack of youth (Australian youth not Nz) is a testament to the league having an average season you still got players like Matt Simon getting a run... If anything i'd say this is one of the poorer season and Victory are sitting second with there marquee out for at least another 3 weeks " How is Australian football?A: Australian football is very pure, very physical and in the process of growth. The professional league only takes 15-16 years. Since I arrived, I have noticed a lot of improvement year after year, both technically and tactically." - IsaiasMost posters on here hold the view that the league gets better every year. Who would say the league is getting better? Since around season 7 the league has stagnated if not gone backwards Most posters on here as well as Isaias who the quote is attributed to. No one thinks this is the best season of HAL they have seen and if they do they dont watch the HAL very often Dont let bias cloud your judgement, Bluebird hit the nail on the head all signs point to Australian football going backwards to say we are improving when we clearly are not is half the problem with football in this country we simply cant admit we are making mistakes and we dont react well to constructive feedback. Our FFA are the biggest idiots because they know most of the problems in Aus football are due to there mismanagement but they cant fill there pockets up if they actually fix whats wrong with the game; It was clearly a mistake to follow a dutch system and since the AIS has lost a load of funding our development has died. People dont realise this but the AIS produced more then half of our top players back in the day and without it doing what it used to do we have dropped off a lot. The reliance on the HAL to produce players isnt bring though the same quality and we need to admit that and ask why? because there is more money in the game then there ever was during the NSL but the players being produced are of half the quality. We need to re-evaluate what we are doing wrong? because what we are doing now clearly isnt working.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x Simple question would you keep the salary cap? and why?
Me personally I hate the salary cap I understand why it exists but I think it is killing the HAL and is probably the biggest reason the league has stopped improving (possibly only 2 nd to a lack of promotion/relegation). If it was me I’d let the cream rise to the top because all the best leagues in the world are dominated by a few big clubs and us trying to be different is clearly not working. Seems to me the league this year is the highest quality it's ever been. what you smoking bloke im a Victory fan and ill tell you the league hit its highs when Roar had Ange (with Berisha leading the line in his prime) and WSW won the ACL i'd actually say this is probably one of the poorer seasons we have had in recent years the lack of youth (Australian youth not Nz) is a testament to the league having an average season you still got players like Matt Simon getting a run... If anything i'd say this is one of the poorer season and Victory are sitting second with there marquee out for at least another 3 weeks " How is Australian football?A: Australian football is very pure, very physical and in the process of growth. The professional league only takes 15-16 years. Since I arrived, I have noticed a lot of improvement year after year, both technically and tactically." - IsaiasMost posters on here hold the view that the league gets better every year. Who would say the league is getting better? Since around season 7 the league has stagnated if not gone backwards Most posters on here as well as Isaias who the quote is attributed to. No one thinks this is the best season of HAL they have seen and if they do they dont watch the HAL very often Dont let bias cloud your judgement, Bluebird hit the nail on the head all signs point to Australian football going backwards to say we are improving when we clearly are not is half the problem with football in this country we simply cant admit we are making mistakes and we dont react well to constructive feedback. "Don't let bias cloud your judgement" I literally quoted a captain of an A-League club while you are claiming the league is going backwards but have absolutely no evidence to back up that claim, nor do you have any quotes from a player, coach or pundit to back up your view. I'm always going to agree with a player who actually plays in the league and has done so for a long time now over two random guys on the internet who have no evidence to back up their opinions. Here's another quote from Isaias.
Q: In the comparison in Spain-Australia football, where would the A-League fit?A: It is a difficult question to answer. But I always said when I arrived that I would put it between 2a and 2b. Although perhaps now it would place it closer to 2a. (2a I'm pretty sure is the segunda division while 2b is the segunda division b)
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+x+x+x+x+x Simple question would you keep the salary cap? and why?
Me personally I hate the salary cap I understand why it exists but I think it is killing the HAL and is probably the biggest reason the league has stopped improving (possibly only 2 nd to a lack of promotion/relegation). If it was me I’d let the cream rise to the top because all the best leagues in the world are dominated by a few big clubs and us trying to be different is clearly not working. Seems to me the league this year is the highest quality it's ever been. what you smoking bloke im a Victory fan and ill tell you the league hit its highs when Roar had Ange (with Berisha leading the line in his prime) and WSW won the ACL i'd actually say this is probably one of the poorer seasons we have had in recent years the lack of youth (Australian youth not Nz) is a testament to the league having an average season you still got players like Matt Simon getting a run... If anything i'd say this is one of the poorer season and Victory are sitting second with there marquee out for at least another 3 weeks " How is Australian football?A: Australian football is very pure, very physical and in the process of growth. The professional league only takes 15-16 years. Since I arrived, I have noticed a lot of improvement year after year, both technically and tactically." - IsaiasMost posters on here hold the view that the league gets better every year. Who would say the league is getting better? Since around season 7 the league has stagnated if not gone backwards the biggest thing to improve the league was the introduction of the coaching licence rules other then that nothing has been done to improve the HAL. I'd argue the lose of two of its more gifted coaches Ange and Arnold (and Popa for a while) has hurt the league. The cap is relatively the same, the marquees are still very much hit or miss and the other international players are better then when the league started but are also very much hit or miss there is no real reason for the league to improve? There is no bases for improvement perhaps with an additional team next season might be better but overall you argument is the league is getting miraculously getting better ever year makes no sense... This is probably one of the worst seasons of HAL in a few years Yeh it makes no sense alright. Your post is spot on. The only thing most of us are noticing is that the standard of play is getting worse. The league is indeed at a point of stagnation and boring us to tears and we are seeing it in the decline in spectator numbers over the last 3 years. Talent is drying up and some teams are there to just make up the numbers. I think the days where we can blindly say we are getting better are long gone. Reality is setting in.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x Simple question would you keep the salary cap? and why?
Me personally I hate the salary cap I understand why it exists but I think it is killing the HAL and is probably the biggest reason the league has stopped improving (possibly only 2 nd to a lack of promotion/relegation). If it was me I’d let the cream rise to the top because all the best leagues in the world are dominated by a few big clubs and us trying to be different is clearly not working. Seems to me the league this year is the highest quality it's ever been. what you smoking bloke im a Victory fan and ill tell you the league hit its highs when Roar had Ange (with Berisha leading the line in his prime) and WSW won the ACL i'd actually say this is probably one of the poorer seasons we have had in recent years the lack of youth (Australian youth not Nz) is a testament to the league having an average season you still got players like Matt Simon getting a run... If anything i'd say this is one of the poorer season and Victory are sitting second with there marquee out for at least another 3 weeks " How is Australian football?A: Australian football is very pure, very physical and in the process of growth. The professional league only takes 15-16 years. Since I arrived, I have noticed a lot of improvement year after year, both technically and tactically." - IsaiasMost posters on here hold the view that the league gets better every year. Who would say the league is getting better? Since around season 7 the league has stagnated if not gone backwards the biggest thing to improve the league was the introduction of the coaching licence rules other then that nothing has been done to improve the HAL. I'd argue the lose of two of its more gifted coaches Ange and Arnold (and Popa for a while) has hurt the league. The cap is relatively the same, the marquees are still very much hit or miss and the other international players are better then when the league started but are also very much hit or miss there is no real reason for the league to improve? There is no bases for improvement perhaps with an additional team next season might be better but overall you argument is the league is getting miraculously getting better ever year makes no sense... This is probably one of the worst seasons of HAL in a few years Yeh it makes no sense alright. Your post is spot on. The only thing most of us are noticing is that the standard of play is getting worse. The league is indeed at a point of stagnation and boring us to tears and we are seeing it in the decline in spectator numbers over the last 3 years. Talent is drying up and some teams are there to just make up the numbers. I think the days where we can blindly say we are getting better are long gone. Reality is setting in. exactly the FFA did a good job bring in the licencing rules that are the same as Europe because because before any idiot could be a manager and have a few lucky wins and look like a star the truth was we needed a formal educational process like they have in Europe. Because good coaching is the key to good development I think the A-licence rules were put in place around season 4? that is when we saw about 2-3 years of MASSIVE improvement in the HAL - If you watch HAL seasons 1-2 and compare it to seasons 6-7 the league is ALOT better BUT the FFA have done NOTHING to improve the HAL since. The NYL was a decent idea but i dont know why clubs still dont have junior football academies? You cant just expect the league is going to get better because the league is older. If anything we are now being raided by asian leagues more then ever and poor quality European leagues (like the SPL) for talent because the players are cheap which is probably why the league has gone backwards since around season 7 I dont know what you are seeing to make you think the league is getting better and as i said before we have actually lost some good coaches which is the only real way a budget conscious league will improve (good coaching is key). All sign point to declining standards - perhaps when coaches like Kewell get more experience and decide to coach in here in Australia you might see the league pick up but otherwise the league has had no reason to improve and if you ask me it has declined NOTE: Give credit to the FFA they are trying to add a few new teams so perhaps that will help the league grow but at this moment the league is declining
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What apilly said. Plus get rid of the salary floor. Stupidest thing ever
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x Simple question would you keep the salary cap? and why?
Me personally I hate the salary cap I understand why it exists but I think it is killing the HAL and is probably the biggest reason the league has stopped improving (possibly only 2 nd to a lack of promotion/relegation). If it was me I’d let the cream rise to the top because all the best leagues in the world are dominated by a few big clubs and us trying to be different is clearly not working. Seems to me the league this year is the highest quality it's ever been. what you smoking bloke im a Victory fan and ill tell you the league hit its highs when Roar had Ange (with Berisha leading the line in his prime) and WSW won the ACL i'd actually say this is probably one of the poorer seasons we have had in recent years the lack of youth (Australian youth not Nz) is a testament to the league having an average season you still got players like Matt Simon getting a run... If anything i'd say this is one of the poorer season and Victory are sitting second with there marquee out for at least another 3 weeks " How is Australian football?A: Australian football is very pure, very physical and in the process of growth. The professional league only takes 15-16 years. Since I arrived, I have noticed a lot of improvement year after year, both technically and tactically." - IsaiasMost posters on here hold the view that the league gets better every year. Who would say the league is getting better? Since around season 7 the league has stagnated if not gone backwards the biggest thing to improve the league was the introduction of the coaching licence rules other then that nothing has been done to improve the HAL. I'd argue the lose of two of its more gifted coaches Ange and Arnold (and Popa for a while) has hurt the league. The cap is relatively the same, the marquees are still very much hit or miss and the other international players are better then when the league started but are also very much hit or miss there is no real reason for the league to improve? There is no bases for improvement perhaps with an additional team next season might be better but overall you argument is the league is getting miraculously getting better ever year makes no sense... This is probably one of the worst seasons of HAL in a few years Yeh it makes no sense alright. Your post is spot on. The only thing most of us are noticing is that the standard of play is getting worse. The league is indeed at a point of stagnation and boring us to tears and we are seeing it in the decline in spectator numbers over the last 3 years. Talent is drying up and some teams are there to just make up the numbers. I think the days where we can blindly say we are getting better are long gone. Reality is setting in. BUT the FFA have done NOTHING to improve the HAL since. The NYL was a decent idea but i dont know why clubs still dont have junior football academies? You cant just expect the league is going to get better because the league is older. If anything we are now being raided by asian leagues more then ever and poor quality European leagues (like the SPL) for talent because the players are cheap which is probably why the league has gone backwards since around season 7 I dont know what you are seeing to make you think the league is getting better and as i said before we have actually lost some good coaches which is the only real way a budget conscious league will improve (good coaching is key). All sign point to declining standards - perhaps when coaches like Kewell get more experience and decide to coach in here in Australia you might see the league pick up but otherwise the league has had no reason to improve and if you ask me it has declined When it comes to league quality, it needs to be put into perspective. Every league in the world will see quality fluctuations, it's only natural. But the comparison that should be looked at is quality vs spend. Considering clubs are spending roughly $3-5M on a squad, how high can the expectation of quality really be? Then there is the spend on coaches which would also be quite low. I don't think this season has been the highest quality we have seen, but it's not that bad either. Personally I believe the quality is fairly representative of the current spending. This is where things need to change. Quality can only really improve if spending increases. That means being able to keep players here for longer rather than letting them go to lower quality leagues just for bigger wages. Keeping higher quality players here increases competition not only between clubs but within squads as well. The last few years it's been fairly steady. This is a symptom of the combination of a salary cap, lack of incentives for doing well and no risks for doing poorly. Obviously I'm only looking at the HAL as that is the topic of the thread, but issues relating to youth development are also a large contributing factor. Playing in the Aussie Summer does us no favours either, especially when it comes to keeping up pace for 90 mins. Shifting the comp to Winter would have an instant impact on the pace of the game and the perceived quality. The lack of dedicated football infrastructure is the limiting factor there though.
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some people have made some astute observations. the salary cap floor is as much of an issue (if not more) than the cap itself. if you double the cap (as per my suggestion), then the floor has to go, or at least be dropped to no higher than 50%.
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My heart wants the salary cap gone, and believes clubs could grow astute enough to remain competitive and work for a profit without compromise. Internal Transfer fees would have to be brought in to make it fair across the board so clubs can benefit of their now running academies, along with good fair compensation guidelines to properly compensate youngsters being poached before being contracted.
But my head believes the salary cap has some kind of place still. My main worries are the following.
- Aussie players exploiting this by collectively seeking/asking for higher wages across the board, OR clubs like City inflating the market.
- Clubs such as City stock piling all the best young talent. I would want transfer fees introduced but even then my worry isn't the unfair factor its the development of these younger players.
- Lastly is clubs succumbing to higher inflated wages to keep even their own average squadies and hitting financial troubles.
If we were to continue with a cap, i would lower the ceiling to 80% whilst also taking on a 4+1 rule (during the expansion and possible 2nd division phases we will need the extra foreigner, the 3+1 is still a while away for us IMO) . I would also give clubs 4 spots outside the cap for whatever they please but 1 has to be an asian spot outside the cap. Lets get serious about asia.
On top of this i would abolish the current contract / salary termination rules and allow clubs to pay out players without affecting their cap should they be willing to take that avenue.
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+xBut my head believes the salary cap has some kind of place still. My main worries are the following. - Aussie players exploiting this by collectively seeking/asking for higher wages across the board, OR clubs like City inflating the market. - Clubs such as City stock piling all the best young talent. I would want transfer fees introduced but even then my worry isn't the unfair factor its the development of these younger players. - Lastly is clubs succumbing to higher inflated wages to keep even their own average squadies and hitting financial troubles. Any professional football model has its risks, whether we have a salary cap or dont have one. I dont see why it needs to be "Salary Cap unless no Salary Cap is risk free and perfect" The Salary Cap has not and can not make 10 very different clubs financially viable The Salary Cap has not and can not balance a single season The Salary Cap has not and can not stop clubs from hoarding youth (like Heart did) and shipping them overseas for a profit The Salary Cap has not and can not stop inflated wages because unlike the AFL / NRL, wages in our league are driven by a global market The whole point of a salary cap is to regulate player payments in a local market so that money isnt the deciding factor in determining how players are distributed. Thats the only purpose it serves. It has failed because it is impossible to implement in our game So why keep this tool that doesnt serve a single purpose and rationalise / imagine the benefits until we can prove that the alternative is 100% risk free? The smartest way forward is to remove the salary cap, knowing we have a 3+1 rule to prevent teams from buying the league, and then react to any real problems that arise (instead of the hysterical speculative ones)
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+x+xBut my head believes the salary cap has some kind of place still. My main worries are the following. - Aussie players exploiting this by collectively seeking/asking for higher wages across the board, OR clubs like City inflating the market. - Clubs such as City stock piling all the best young talent. I would want transfer fees introduced but even then my worry isn't the unfair factor its the development of these younger players. - Lastly is clubs succumbing to higher inflated wages to keep even their own average squadies and hitting financial troubles. Any professional football model has its risks, whether we have a salary cap or dont have one. I dont see why it needs to be "Salary Cap unless no Salary Cap is risk free and perfect" The Salary Cap has not and can not make 10 very different clubs financially viable The Salary Cap has not and can not balance a single season The Salary Cap has not and can not stop clubs from hoarding youth (like Heart did) and shipping them overseas for a profit The Salary Cap has not and can not stop inflated wages because unlike the AFL / NRL, wages in our league are driven by a global market The whole point of a salary cap is to regulate player payments in a local market so that money isnt the deciding factor in determining how players are distributed. Thats the only purpose it serves. It has failed because it is impossible to implement in our game So why keep this tool that doesnt serve a single purpose and rationalise / imagine the benefits until we can prove that the alternative is 100% risk free? The smartest way forward is to remove the salary cap, knowing we have a 3+1 rule to prevent teams from buying the league, and then react to any real problems that arise (instead of the hysterical speculative ones) I don't necessarily disagree. And i certainly don't believe the current model is good either, it has a fair few tweaks to be made as i stated. But i am interested in exactly how no salary cap can make 10 different clubs financially viable? Also City is the only club that currently has "youth hoarding" ability due to their completely unique set up. Where as more cashed up clubs would all be able to hoard in a salary cap-less league with the huge wages. That was my "hypothetical" point with that. And there isn't really a "global" or "universal" market on wages or value in the world. It is all dependent on stance, demand, where that demand is and that windows inflation. If the premierleague or any of the big euro clubs want you your potentially going from say being a top earner in your league on $850k to quadrupling that instantly, and Every market has its own thing because at the end of the day, 90% of local talent is going to come through locally in its own bubble. For example a semi comparable league in the Dutch has an average wage of around $280k euros. Most clubs hover around $200k whereas the big fish average much more. Sides like Ajax only recently ran them selves into big trouble and have there own "internal" cap. Scotland also, Celtic average wage is 800K whilst the rest languish around 150k.
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+x+x+x[quote]But my head believes the salary cap has some kind of place still. My main worries are the following. - Aussie players exploiting this by collectively seeking/asking for higher wages across the board, OR clubs like City inflating the market. - Clubs such as City stock piling all the best young talent. I would want transfer fees introduced but even then my worry isn't the unfair factor its the development of these younger players. - Lastly is clubs succumbing to higher inflated wages to keep even their own average squadies and hitting financial troubles. Any professional football model has its risks, whether we have a salary cap or dont have one. I dont see why it needs to be "Salary Cap unless no Salary Cap is risk free and perfect" The Salary Cap has not and can not make 10 very different clubs financially viable The Salary Cap has not and can not balance a single season The Salary Cap has not and can not stop clubs from hoarding youth (like Heart did) and shipping them overseas for a profit The Salary Cap has not and can not stop inflated wages because unlike the AFL / NRL, wages in our league are driven by a global market The whole point of a salary cap is to regulate player payments in a local market so that money isnt the deciding factor in determining how players are distributed. Thats the only purpose it serves. It has failed because it is impossible to implement in our game So why keep this tool that doesnt serve a single purpose and rationalise / imagine the benefits until we can prove that the alternative is 100% risk free? The smartest way forward is to remove the salary cap, knowing we have a 3+1 rule to prevent teams from buying the league, and then react to any real problems that arise (instead of the hysterical speculative ones) But i am interested in exactly how no salary cap can make 10 different clubs financially viable? Financial viability and stability are the most important things for any professional football club. This cannot be achieved by somebody pulling a figure out of their ass and telling 10 clubs thats all they can spend on 20 players Gryfox has estimated that the average spend from A League clubs is $7.5m - more than twice the salary cap. We have seen three clubs fold and several clubs hand their licence back in less than 15 years A salary cap has nothing to do with financial viability or stability. They are two very separate problems Whether there is a salary cap or no salary cap is moot. Economic reality is going to determine what a club can spend. Lack of management ability or inability to forecast will determine what problems arise or what promises they cannot keep Only people who dont understand the salary cap will use it as a means of financial stability
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+x+x+x+x[quote]But my head believes the salary cap has some kind of place still. My main worries are the following. - Aussie players exploiting this by collectively seeking/asking for higher wages across the board, OR clubs like City inflating the market. - Clubs such as City stock piling all the best young talent. I would want transfer fees introduced but even then my worry isn't the unfair factor its the development of these younger players. - Lastly is clubs succumbing to higher inflated wages to keep even their own average squadies and hitting financial troubles. Any professional football model has its risks, whether we have a salary cap or dont have one. I dont see why it needs to be "Salary Cap unless no Salary Cap is risk free and perfect" The Salary Cap has not and can not make 10 very different clubs financially viable The Salary Cap has not and can not balance a single season The Salary Cap has not and can not stop clubs from hoarding youth (like Heart did) and shipping them overseas for a profit The Salary Cap has not and can not stop inflated wages because unlike the AFL / NRL, wages in our league are driven by a global market The whole point of a salary cap is to regulate player payments in a local market so that money isnt the deciding factor in determining how players are distributed. Thats the only purpose it serves. It has failed because it is impossible to implement in our game So why keep this tool that doesnt serve a single purpose and rationalise / imagine the benefits until we can prove that the alternative is 100% risk free? The smartest way forward is to remove the salary cap, knowing we have a 3+1 rule to prevent teams from buying the league, and then react to any real problems that arise (instead of the hysterical speculative ones) But i am interested in exactly how no salary cap can make 10 different clubs financially viable? Financial viability and stability are the most important things for any professional football club. This cannot be achieved by somebody pulling a figure out of their ass and telling 10 clubs thats all they can spend on 20 players Gryfox has estimated that the average spend from A League clubs is $7.5m - more than twice the salary cap. We have seen three clubs fold and several clubs hand their licence back in less than 15 years A salary cap has nothing to do with financial viability or stability. They are two very separate problems Whether there is a salary cap or no salary cap is moot. Economic reality is going to determine what a club can spend. Lack of management ability or inability to forecast will determine what problems arise or what promises they cannot keep Only people who dont understand the salary cap will use it as a means of financial stability F**k me Bluebird i agree with you 100% and this pretty much sum up the flaw in our salary cap structure
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So how does no salary cap keep teams financially viable?
Seems like more of a salary floor issue and adding transfer fees rather then a no salary cap case that your making.
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+x+x+x+x[quote]But my head believes the salary cap has some kind of place still. My main worries are the following. - Aussie players exploiting this by collectively seeking/asking for higher wages across the board, OR clubs like City inflating the market. - Clubs such as City stock piling all the best young talent. I would want transfer fees introduced but even then my worry isn't the unfair factor its the development of these younger players. - Lastly is clubs succumbing to higher inflated wages to keep even their own average squadies and hitting financial troubles. Any professional football model has its risks, whether we have a salary cap or dont have one. I dont see why it needs to be "Salary Cap unless no Salary Cap is risk free and perfect" The Salary Cap has not and can not make 10 very different clubs financially viable The Salary Cap has not and can not balance a single season The Salary Cap has not and can not stop clubs from hoarding youth (like Heart did) and shipping them overseas for a profit The Salary Cap has not and can not stop inflated wages because unlike the AFL / NRL, wages in our league are driven by a global market The whole point of a salary cap is to regulate player payments in a local market so that money isnt the deciding factor in determining how players are distributed. Thats the only purpose it serves. It has failed because it is impossible to implement in our game So why keep this tool that doesnt serve a single purpose and rationalise / imagine the benefits until we can prove that the alternative is 100% risk free? The smartest way forward is to remove the salary cap, knowing we have a 3+1 rule to prevent teams from buying the league, and then react to any real problems that arise (instead of the hysterical speculative ones) But i am interested in exactly how no salary cap can make 10 different clubs financially viable? Financial viability and stability are the most important things for any professional football club. This cannot be achieved by somebody pulling a figure out of their ass and telling 10 clubs thats all they can spend on 20 players Gryfox has estimated that the average spend from A League clubs is $7.5m - more than twice the salary cap. We have seen three clubs fold and several clubs hand their licence back in less than 15 years A salary cap has nothing to do with financial viability or stability. They are two very separate problems Whether there is a salary cap or no salary cap is moot. Economic reality is going to determine what a club can spend. Lack of management ability or inability to forecast will determine what problems arise or what promises they cannot keep Only people who dont understand the salary cap will use it as a means of financial stability Good post.
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+x+x+x+x[quote]But my head believes the salary cap has some kind of place still. My main worries are the following. - Aussie players exploiting this by collectively seeking/asking for higher wages across the board, OR clubs like City inflating the market. - Clubs such as City stock piling all the best young talent. I would want transfer fees introduced but even then my worry isn't the unfair factor its the development of these younger players. - Lastly is clubs succumbing to higher inflated wages to keep even their own average squadies and hitting financial troubles. Any professional football model has its risks, whether we have a salary cap or dont have one. I dont see why it needs to be "Salary Cap unless no Salary Cap is risk free and perfect" The Salary Cap has not and can not make 10 very different clubs financially viable The Salary Cap has not and can not balance a single season The Salary Cap has not and can not stop clubs from hoarding youth (like Heart did) and shipping them overseas for a profit The Salary Cap has not and can not stop inflated wages because unlike the AFL / NRL, wages in our league are driven by a global market The whole point of a salary cap is to regulate player payments in a local market so that money isnt the deciding factor in determining how players are distributed. Thats the only purpose it serves. It has failed because it is impossible to implement in our game So why keep this tool that doesnt serve a single purpose and rationalise / imagine the benefits until we can prove that the alternative is 100% risk free? The smartest way forward is to remove the salary cap, knowing we have a 3+1 rule to prevent teams from buying the league, and then react to any real problems that arise (instead of the hysterical speculative ones) But i am interested in exactly how no salary cap can make 10 different clubs financially viable? Financial viability and stability are the most important things for any professional football club. This cannot be achieved by somebody pulling a figure out of their ass and telling 10 clubs thats all they can spend on 20 players Gryfox has estimated that the average spend from A League clubs is $7.5m - more than twice the salary cap. We have seen three clubs fold and several clubs hand their licence back in less than 15 years A salary cap has nothing to do with financial viability or stability. They are two very separate problems Whether there is a salary cap or no salary cap is moot. Economic reality is going to determine what a club can spend. Lack of management ability or inability to forecast will determine what problems arise or what promises they cannot keep Only people who dont understand the salary cap will use it as a means of financial stability From what I have heard $7.5M is less than anyone is spending.
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+x+xBut my head believes the salary cap has some kind of place still. My main worries are the following. - Aussie players exploiting this by collectively seeking/asking for higher wages across the board, OR clubs like City inflating the market. - Clubs such as City stock piling all the best young talent. I would want transfer fees introduced but even then my worry isn't the unfair factor its the development of these younger players. - Lastly is clubs succumbing to higher inflated wages to keep even their own average squadies and hitting financial troubles. Any professional football model has its risks, whether we have a salary cap or dont have one. I dont see why it needs to be "Salary Cap unless no Salary Cap is risk free and perfect" The Salary Cap has not and can not make 10 very different clubs financially viable The Salary Cap has not and can not balance a single season The Salary Cap has not and can not stop clubs from hoarding youth (like Heart did) and shipping them overseas for a profit The Salary Cap has not and can not stop inflated wages because unlike the AFL / NRL, wages in our league are driven by a global market The whole point of a salary cap is to regulate player payments in a local market so that money isnt the deciding factor in determining how players are distributed. Thats the only purpose it serves. It has failed because it is impossible to implement in our game So why keep this tool that doesnt serve a single purpose and rationalise / imagine the benefits until we can prove that the alternative is 100% risk free? The smartest way forward is to remove the salary cap, knowing we have a 3+1 rule to prevent teams from buying the league, and then react to any real problems that arise (instead of the hysterical speculative ones) It can inflate wages because there are restrictions based on the nationality of players. If you remove all restrictions then it will more align with salaries around the world.
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+xBut my head believes the salary cap has some kind of place still. My main worries are the following.
- Aussie players exploiting this by collectively seeking/asking for higher wages across the board, OR clubs like City inflating the market.
- Clubs such as City stock piling all the best young talent. I would want transfer fees introduced but even then my worry isn't the unfair factor its the development of these younger players.
- Lastly is clubs succumbing to higher inflated wages to keep even their own average squadies and hitting financial troubles.
On your points: 1. The Clubs have just as strong if not more of a bargaining position that the Players. The Clubs would be in a better position to know their own financial position and if they can't afford something, they would not be pressured into buying. 2. I don't think a stockpiling issue would arise - at least not a major one. Most players would want to earn a wage and play, not sit on the bench. 3. Wage inflation is already an existing issue. The salary cap is actually forcing teams to break up every few years as well.
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+xMy heart wants the salary cap gone, and believes clubs could grow astute enough to remain competitive and work for a profit without compromise. Internal Transfer fees would have to be brought in to make it fair across the board so clubs can benefit of their now running academies, along with good fair compensation guidelines to properly compensate youngsters being poached before being contracted. But my head believes the salary cap has some kind of place still. My main worries are the following. - Aussie players exploiting this by collectively seeking/asking for higher wages across the board, OR clubs like City inflating the market. - Clubs such as City stock piling all the best young talent. I would want transfer fees introduced but even then my worry isn't the unfair factor its the development of these younger players. - Lastly is clubs succumbing to higher inflated wages to keep even their own average squadies and hitting financial troubles. If we were to continue with a cap, i would lower the ceiling to 80% whilst also taking on a 4+1 rule (during the expansion and possible 2nd division phases we will need the extra foreigner, the 3+1 is still a while away for us IMO) . I would also give clubs 4 spots outside the cap for whatever they please but 1 has to be an asian spot outside the cap. Lets get serious about asia. On top of this i would abolish the current contract / salary termination rules and allow clubs to pay out players without affecting their cap should they be willing to take that avenue. Well thought out post. Pretty hard to disagree with anything other than the 80% ceiling. I would look at an increase of 20%
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+x+xMy heart wants the salary cap gone, and believes clubs could grow astute enough to remain competitive and work for a profit without compromise. Internal Transfer fees would have to be brought in to make it fair across the board so clubs can benefit of their now running academies, along with good fair compensation guidelines to properly compensate youngsters being poached before being contracted. But my head believes the salary cap has some kind of place still. My main worries are the following. - Aussie players exploiting this by collectively seeking/asking for higher wages across the board, OR clubs like City inflating the market. - Clubs such as City stock piling all the best young talent. I would want transfer fees introduced but even then my worry isn't the unfair factor its the development of these younger players. - Lastly is clubs succumbing to higher inflated wages to keep even their own average squadies and hitting financial troubles. If we were to continue with a cap, i would lower the ceiling to 80% whilst also taking on a 4+1 rule (during the expansion and possible 2nd division phases we will need the extra foreigner, the 3+1 is still a while away for us IMO) . I would also give clubs 4 spots outside the cap for whatever they please but 1 has to be an asian spot outside the cap. Lets get serious about asia. On top of this i would abolish the current contract / salary termination rules and allow clubs to pay out players without affecting their cap should they be willing to take that avenue. Well thought out post. Pretty hard to disagree with anything other than the 80% ceiling. I would look at an increase of 20% yeah it is a fair enough post im very much against the cap but if it was to be kept it would need to be adjusted to make the league competitive with other leagues in asia
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The cap is a necessary evil. Basically every club has gone broke and been bailed out multiple times by FFA (yes I know except MV :) ) The temptation to buy success is just too great and there is the small matter of paying the bills...
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Many people seem to be of the belief that as soon as the cap is gone, the bigger clubs are going to start spending ridiculous amounts of money on squads. Why would they do that? It is a highly unlikely scenario unless a bunch of other things change as well. There is simply not enough incentive for clubs to spend the big bucks at the moment. No prize money for winning the league. No risk of relegation. ACL spots would become a little more valuable because without the cap, Aussie clubs have the potential to become genuine contenders in the comp. Hardly incentive to spend ridiculously big though. The league will still be restricted by squads required to be mostly Australian and I can't see Aussie players (especially the better more expensive players) opting to play for a HAL club over an EPL/Championship club even if a HAL club can match the price. A player like Mooy for example is not going to return to Australia just because the wage is the same. The value within the pool of Aussie players is simply not that high in the grander scheme of things to facilitate massive spends. If transfer fees were also introduced, we would still have a similar issue. The only incentive to pay a substantial transfer fee for a player from a rival HAL club would be if they feel they can then sell the player for a decent profit overseas. Clubs aren't going to spend millions on transfer fees in the hope of winning the title. With the exception of MV, all other clubs run at a loss. Spending big just increases those loses with very little in return.
Even if you don't agree that scrapping the cap is the way forward, I think most people would agree that the cap (in it's current form) is not working as intended and is causing more problems than it solves. The 'richer' clubs are consistently top 5. MV and SFC combined account for 46% of premierships. MV and SFC combined account for 54% of Championships. Hardly an even competition.
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+xMany people seem to be of the belief that as soon as the cap is gone, the bigger clubs are going to start spending ridiculous amounts of money on squads. Why would they do that? It is a highly unlikely scenario unless a bunch of other things change as well. There is simply not enough incentive for clubs to spend the big bucks at the moment. No prize money for winning the league. No risk of relegation. ACL spots would become a little more valuable because without the cap, Aussie clubs have the potential to become genuine contenders in the comp. Hardly incentive to spend ridiculously big though. The league will still be restricted by squads required to be mostly Australian and I can't see Aussie players (especially the better more expensive players) opting to play for a HAL club over an EPL/Championship club even if a HAL club can match the price. A player like Mooy for example is not going to return to Australia just because the wage is the same. The value within the pool of Aussie players is simply not that high in the grander scheme of things to facilitate massive spends. If transfer fees were also introduced, we would still have a similar issue. The only incentive to pay a substantial transfer fee for a player from a rival HAL club would be if they feel they can then sell the player for a decent profit overseas. Clubs aren't going to spend millions on transfer fees in the hope of winning the title. With the exception of MV, all other clubs run at a loss. Spending big just increases those loses with very little in return. Even if you don't agree that scrapping the cap is the way forward, I think most people would agree that the cap (in it's current form) is not working as intended and is causing more problems than it solves. The 'richer' clubs are consistently top 5. MV and SFC combined account for 46% of premierships. MV and SFC combined account for 54% of Championships. Hardly an even competition. Great post.
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Agree with someguyjc.
Without the cap, spending will still be very modest but then teams will more likely stay together and clubs can determine their own expenditure.
The cap is currently broken and the easiest fix is to get rid of it. You can try tweaking but the underlying issue will still remain - clubs don’t have full control of their costs.
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3+1 foreign rule
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It is hilarious to read a post about the improvement of Australian Football year after year and then compare Australia's ranking to Jordan and Cyprus.
I do not see it but there are many things that could be done to improve the game, such as. Introduction of more teams, a second tier comp with promotion and relegation. Also the abolition of the salary cap could see better players into the competition and a higher standard.
I agree that the salary cap has little to do with protecting club's viability.
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It serves no purpose. The only place where a salary cap works is where all of the best players in the world play in the one league, i.e. AFL. For football, it doesn't work. If you look at the A-League table, it does not reflect a salary capped competition. Every season, Fox should give their handouts, then it's up to the club to spend more on players if they choose. Coupled with this should be transfer fees. Give clubs incentives to develop players, otherwise we'll forever be forced to try and get excited about 'mutual terminal windows'.
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+xIt serves no purpose. The only place where a salary cap works is where all of the best players in the world play in the one league, i.e. AFL. For football, it doesn't work. If you look at the A-League table, it does not reflect a salary capped competition. Every season, Fox should give their handouts, then it's up to the club to spend more on players if they choose. Coupled with this should be transfer fees. Give clubs incentives to develop players, otherwise we'll forever be forced to try and get excited about 'mutual terminal windows'. On top of this, the argument from some is that some clubs will be too strong. At the end of the day, each club is limited to 5 visa players. Majority of the time 2 of the 5 are marquees anyway, paid outside the cap. That leaves a lot of room to spend on 3 other visa players. The rest of your squad are Australian. No club would be stupid enough to pay $500k a season for Matt Simon.
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You quoted a delusional A League player who is trying to up talk the standard from reality to up-talk their own value. The reality of course is that the HAL isn't anywhere near those leagues mentioned. Here are some of the market values of the teams in 2a and 2b https://www.transfermarkt.com/rayo-vallecano/startseite/verein/367https://www.transfermarkt.com/sd-huesca/startseite/verein/5358
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+xYou quoted a delusional A League player who is trying to up talk the standard from reality to up-talk their own value. The reality of course is that the HAL isn't anywhere near those leagues mentioned. "A delusional A-League player" There's one delusional person here and it ain't Isaias.
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+x+xYou quoted a delusional A League player who is trying to up talk the standard from reality to up-talk their own value. The reality of course is that the HAL isn't anywhere near those leagues mentioned. "A delusional A-League player" There's one delusional person here and it ain't Isaias. You got to look at the reasons why an A League player might want to say false things like this. Firstly, 2 teams alone in the 2a are worth as much as all the HAL teams combined. You can look at the deluded opinions of whoever you like, but I look at the facts. Here are some of the market values of the teams in 2a and 2b https://www.transfermarkt.com/rayo-vallecano/startseite/verein/367https://www.transfermarkt.com/sd-huesca/startseite/verein/5358
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🤦🤦🤦 Those teams are in La Liga
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🤦🤦🤦 That's last season. Both of those sides got promoted.
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+x+x+xYou quoted a delusional A League player who is trying to up talk the standard from reality to up-talk their own value. The reality of course is that the HAL isn't anywhere near those leagues mentioned. "A delusional A-League player" There's one delusional person here and it ain't Isaias. You got to look at the reasons why an A League player might want to say false things like this. Firstly, 2 teams alone in the 2a are worth as much as all the HAL teams combined. You can look at the deluded opinions of whoever you like, but I look at the facts. Here are some of the market values of the teams in 2a and 2b https://www.transfermarkt.com/rayo-vallecano/startseite/verein/367https://www.transfermarkt.com/sd-huesca/startseite/verein/5358 According to Transfermarkt, the worst La Liga 2 team would finish 9th in the A-League. That would imply that Isaias is correct. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jumplist/startseite/wettbewerb/AUS1https://www.transfermarkt.com/jumplist/startseite/wettbewerb/ES2
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+x+xYou quoted a delusional A League player who is trying to up talk the standard from reality to up-talk their own value. The reality of course is that the HAL isn't anywhere near those leagues mentioned. "A delusional A-League player" There's one delusional person here and it ain't Isaias. Sorry Sub007 you are delusional there is loads of evidence being presented to you, you're simply not listening to it Isaias isn't delusional sure, but he isnt going to turn around and say the league is a low standard either he is being paid by the AU and at large the HAL he isnt going to bite the hand that feeds him that is just common sense. If you think this is the best season you have seen power to you but i would stay it is probably better then the 1st 4 season of the HAL but it was worst then seasons 5-7 in par with what we have seen in the past few years....
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+x+x+xYou quoted a delusional A League player who is trying to up talk the standard from reality to up-talk their own value. The reality of course is that the HAL isn't anywhere near those leagues mentioned. "A delusional A-League player" There's one delusional person here and it ain't Isaias. Sorry Sub007 you are delusional there is loads of evidence being presented to you, you're simply not listening to it Isaias isn't delusional sure, but he isnt going to turn around and say the league is a low standard either he is being paid by the AU and at large the HAL he isnt going to bite the hand that feeds him that is just common sense. If you think this is the best season you have seen power to you but i would stay it is probably better then the 1st 4 season of the HAL but it was worst then seasons 5-7 in par with what we have seen in the past few years.... There has not been a single piece of evidence to back up your view. All of what you and Aikhme have posted are your opinions, which you two have presented as facts, yet have not displayed a single piece of evidence at all. I'm also pretty sure that Bozza along with the other Fox Sports pundits have also said on air that the standard is the best it's ever been.
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+xSeems to indicate the A-league must be pretty decent then, perhaps better than League 2 Spain Most of the players that made it big over there, were actually NSL products or early A League. That generation. Now there isn't much going on like there use to be, so that indicates something different to me. +x+x+x+xYou quoted a delusional A League player who is trying to up talk the standard from reality to up-talk their own value. The reality of course is that the HAL isn't anywhere near those leagues mentioned. "A delusional A-League player" There's one delusional person here and it ain't Isaias. Sorry Sub007 you are delusional there is loads of evidence being presented to you, you're simply not listening to it Isaias isn't delusional sure, but he isnt going to turn around and say the league is a low standard either he is being paid by the AU and at large the HAL he isnt going to bite the hand that feeds him that is just common sense. If you think this is the best season you have seen power to you but i would stay it is probably better then the 1st 4 season of the HAL but it was worst then seasons 5-7 in par with what we have seen in the past few years.... There has not been a single piece of evidence to back up your view. All of what you and Aikhme have posted are your opinions, which you two have presented as facts, yet have not displayed a single piece of evidence at all. I'm also pretty sure that Bozza along with the other Fox Sports pundits have also said on air that the standard is the best it's ever been. I have postd a lot of evidence that indicates that the HAL isn't anywhere close to the standard of LaLiga2. As mentioned above, you are not paying any attention to it. LaLiga 2 is 4 times the value of the A League for a start. What does that tell you? They pay more right? Hence far better players too.
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+x+xSeems to indicate the A-league must be pretty decent then, perhaps better than League 2 Spain Most of the players that made it big over there, were actually NSL products or early A League. That generation. Now there isn't much going on like there use to be, so that indicates something different to me. +x+x+x+xYou quoted a delusional A League player who is trying to up talk the standard from reality to up-talk their own value. The reality of course is that the HAL isn't anywhere near those leagues mentioned. "A delusional A-League player" There's one delusional person here and it ain't Isaias. Sorry Sub007 you are delusional there is loads of evidence being presented to you, you're simply not listening to it Isaias isn't delusional sure, but he isnt going to turn around and say the league is a low standard either he is being paid by the AU and at large the HAL he isnt going to bite the hand that feeds him that is just common sense. If you think this is the best season you have seen power to you but i would stay it is probably better then the 1st 4 season of the HAL but it was worst then seasons 5-7 in par with what we have seen in the past few years.... There has not been a single piece of evidence to back up your view. All of what you and Aikhme have posted are your opinions, which you two have presented as facts, yet have not displayed a single piece of evidence at all. I'm also pretty sure that Bozza along with the other Fox Sports pundits have also said on air that the standard is the best it's ever been. I have postd a lot of evidence that indicates that the HAL isn't anywhere close to the standard of LaLiga2. As mentioned above, you are not paying any attention to it. LaLiga 2 is 4 times the value of the A League for a start. What does that tell you? They pay more right? Hence far better players too. Yet again you have moved the goalposts. Coffee jackal said the league isn't as good as it was. Neither of you have provided any evidence to back up that claim. As for the debate comparing the HAL to the Segunda division. A-League sides are similar in ability to the bottom half of the Segunda division. That means that Isaias is correct in saying the HAL is as good as the Segunda Division as HAL clubs are the same quality as the bottom half of the Segunda division.
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+x+x+xSeems to indicate the A-league must be pretty decent then, perhaps better than League 2 Spain Most of the players that made it big over there, were actually NSL products or early A League. That generation. Now there isn't much going on like there use to be, so that indicates something different to me. +x+x+x+xYou quoted a delusional A League player who is trying to up talk the standard from reality to up-talk their own value. The reality of course is that the HAL isn't anywhere near those leagues mentioned. "A delusional A-League player" There's one delusional person here and it ain't Isaias. Sorry Sub007 you are delusional there is loads of evidence being presented to you, you're simply not listening to it Isaias isn't delusional sure, but he isnt going to turn around and say the league is a low standard either he is being paid by the AU and at large the HAL he isnt going to bite the hand that feeds him that is just common sense. If you think this is the best season you have seen power to you but i would stay it is probably better then the 1st 4 season of the HAL but it was worst then seasons 5-7 in par with what we have seen in the past few years.... There has not been a single piece of evidence to back up your view. All of what you and Aikhme have posted are your opinions, which you two have presented as facts, yet have not displayed a single piece of evidence at all. I'm also pretty sure that Bozza along with the other Fox Sports pundits have also said on air that the standard is the best it's ever been. I have postd a lot of evidence that indicates that the HAL isn't anywhere close to the standard of LaLiga2. As mentioned above, you are not paying any attention to it. LaLiga 2 is 4 times the value of the A League for a start. What does that tell you? They pay more right? Hence far better players too. Yet again you have moved the goalposts. Coffee jackal said the league isn't as good as it was. Neither of you have provided any evidence to back up that claim. As for the debate comparing the HAL to the Segunda division. A-League sides are similar in ability to the bottom half of the Segunda division. That means that Isaias is correct in saying the HAL is as good as the Segunda Division as HAL clubs are the same quality as the bottom half of the Segunda division. How can we compare on a 1 against 1 basis? That is impossible. All we can do is compare the quality of players in that era to today. The facts indicate, there was more Australian talent in Europe and the Australian NT was stronger then to the dismal level of today. And what more evidence can there be than declining spectators. People are switching off and not going to matches because they have had enough of the stale product on offer. 4 years ago, average attendance was nearly 14000. Today it is 10900. And still in decline. And secondly, you can say the A League might be similar to the bottom half of the Cyprus League, but certainly not the top half. therefore, Segunda and Cyprus are stronger leagues. the standard is NOT the same. The evidence we have provided you is the net worth of the Segunda and compared it to the HAL. Segunda is 400% the value of the A League. You do the sums.
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And then similarly, you replace the bottom half of the Segunda, with the 10 A-League clubs, do you get a comparable value?
You do the sums
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+xAnd then similarly, you replace the bottom half of the Segunda, with the 10 A-League clubs, do you get a comparable value?You do the sums Yep
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Problem solved. A-League clubs are approximately at the same standard as half of the Segunda Liga in spain. Just remember mouflon, only 3 (or 4?) get relegated, so there’s at least 3 seasons worth of A-League in that
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+xProblem solved. A-League clubs are approximately at the same standard as half of the Segunda Liga in spain. Just remember mouflon, only 3 (or 4?) get relegated, so there’s at least 3 seasons worth of A-League in that Riht and so by that logic if a couple of NBL clubs are at the same standard as the bottom NBA teams, the NBL is then at the same level of the NBA is it? Keep dreaming. If the top teams are worth as much as 4 HAL teams, then there is no chance the HAL is at this level. Even the bottom clubs, that may be worth the same on paper according to transfermarkt, does't mean the HJAL is at LaLiga2 level. Once again, laLiga is worth 330 million Euro HAL is worth 82 million Euro. Big difference. We had this argument about the Dutch League too. The Dutch League has a market cap of 1.1 Billion Euros. The HAL is not at the same level opf the Dutch League or the LaLiga2
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+xProblem solved. A-League clubs are approximately at the same standard as half of the Segunda Liga in spain. Just remember mouflon, only 3 (or 4?) get relegated, so there’s at least 3 seasons worth of A-League in that Im not taking ANYONES (i dont know how good the Cyp league is) side but there is no chance the HAL is close to the Segunda Liga in Spain i wouldnt even put it on par with the Spanish 3rd division if you think Perth or MVFC could beat a team like deportivo then you are on the pipe i'd argue a squad made of 2nd div Spanish players would beat our Socceroos let alone our HAL sides...
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Just remember, all of us are talking about the bottom half of the Segunda, not the top.
If you think a go kart can beat Lewis Hamilton in his Mercedes W08, then go ahead, I’d suggest you’re an idiot.
We’re talking about clubs like Numancia, Las Palmas
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+xJust remember, all of us are talking about the bottom half of the Segunda, not the top. If you think a go kart can beat Lewis Hamilton in his Mercedes W08, then go ahead, I’d suggest you’re an idiot.We’re talking about clubs like Numancia, Las Palmas Fair enough i get when you are coming from i still think Las Palmas would beat anyone in the HAL TBH i would say the Spanish 2nd division is better then the J-league let alone the HAL You have to remember we have a league with no promotion and Relegation and the season is barely 6 months long. Teams play each other AT LEAST 3 times a season the Spanish 2nd division goes for 9 months play at least 19 different teams in the league (home and away) and play in the Copper Del Rey have the fear of relegation and hope of promotion even the bottom half of the league this would be true. The HAL is a semi-pro league with professional wages, you cant have a serious league with no promo/rel and only ten sides that last 6 months most teams will play around 31-37 games depending on a cup run and finals you cant compare that with a league that doesn't suffer from these clear short comings. You can call people 'idiots' all you want but how can you say a league that has more money, more games, better development, better league structure is comparative to a league that has less games, a smaller talent pool to develop, no relegation and less money???? People might not like this but the HAL is probably about the level of 2nd div dutch league
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+xAnd then similarly, you replace the bottom half of the Segunda, with the 10 A-League clubs, do you get a comparable value?You do the sums Can you do the same with the NBL and the NBA or the Greek Basketball League. Doesn't mean the NBL is anywhere near the NBA or the Greek Basketball League. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jumplist/startseite/wettbewerb/AUS1https://www.transfermarkt.com/jumplist/startseite/wettbewerb/ES2
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Ok let’s do it your way mouflon
If you mop the floor is it really clean?
Or are you just adding more crap to it
By that logic, Segunda is crap because there is more teams
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My point is, since you bring up how good the Cyprus League, that ONE SINGLE TEAM makes the champions league playoff stage every year, that the league is so great and Champions League quality, the “half the Segunda is the same market value as the A-League teams” is at least as valid.
Your Cyprus wankfest teams are whipping boys in the Champions League most seasons. Admit it, and then I might think about admitting you’re right
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+xMy point is, since you bring up how good the Cyprus League, that ONE SINGLE TEAM makes the champions league playoff stage every year, that the league is so great and Champions League quality, the “half the Segunda is the same market value as the A-League teams” is at least as valid.Your Cyprus wankfest teams are whipping boys in the Champions League most seasons. Admit it, and then I might think about admitting you’re right I didn't bring up the Cyprus League to compare how good it is. Sub007 bought the Cyprus League and since he bought it up, I did a scientific comparison on what the HAL is worth and compared it to the Cyprus First Division. I have also been to Cyprus First Division Games. I have seen Apoel, Appollon, Omonia, AEL, and Anorthosis play. It definitely is a cut above the HAL. Everyone knows this to be the case. But don't take my word for it. Look at the transfer market and the players who play there. They have better development, more money, pay higher wages, have more teams, a longer season, and promotion and relegation. Even a dead rubber at the bottom is significant because the bottom teams also have something to play for. The League has more money and is run more professionally.That is why Giannou is there. Giannou is tearing the pitch up in the AFC and in Cyprus he is literally a scrubber good for peeling the oranges.
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Yep fair enough 👍
I’ll allow it, in a way. I mean, I think you’re right in these leagues being “better”, but probably not to the extent that you’re saying.
But just remember also, you’re posting total transfer market values, comparing a 20 team league to a 10 team league. An average would be better (which I think works out to Segunda averaging twice an A-League team)
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+xYep fair enough 👍 I’ll allow it, in a way. I mean, I think you’re right in these leagues being “better”, but probably not to the extent that you’re saying.But just remember also, you’re posting total transfer market values, comparing a 20 team league to a 10 team league. An average would be better (which I think works out to Segunda averaging twice an A-League team) True! One is a 20 team league and we are comparing to a 10 league team. Yes that needs to be considered also. But still, when you do the sums, they are still out in front. The Segunda team average is about twice that of the HAL average.
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+xOk let’s do it your way mouflonIf you mop the floor is it really clean?Or are you just adding more crap to itBy that logic, Segunda is crap because there is more teams Sorry, but there are more teams in the Greek Super League too, and some HAL teams might do OK against the bottom 6 teams, but the Greek Super League is a cut above the A league. Similarly, if an NBL team beats an NBA team that is struggling or a Greek Basketball team, it doesn't mean that the NBL is better than the NBA or Greek Basketball League. Your logic doesn't make any sense at all. The only metric one can see to compare the leagues is the transfer market and the market caps of the leagues in question. By doing it this way, we are scientifically comparing the net worth of both leagues.
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Transfermarkt squad values (in millions)
MVC: 12.49
SYD: 10.31
MCY: 9.32
PER: 8.55
BRI: 8.33
WSW: 7.22
NEW: 7.1
ADL: 6.62
Reus Deportiu: 6.60
WEL: 6.53
CCM: 6.28
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+xTransfermarkt squad values (in millions) MVC: 12.49 SYD: 10.31 MCY: 9.32 PER: 8.55 BRI : 8.33WSW: 7.22 NEW: 7.1 ADL: 6.62 Reus Deportiu: 6.60WEL: 6.53 CCM: 6.28 hahahaha, that teamed is currently 20th in the league standings and is likely to be relegated. So basically, you are saying the HAL is about as good as that. Bottom of LaLiga2 and LaLiga3 Wow, don't you aim high. lol
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+x+xTransfermarkt squad values (in millions) MVC: 12.49 SYD: 10.31 MCY: 9.32 PER: 8.55 BRI : 8.33WSW: 7.22 NEW: 7.1 ADL: 6.62 Reus Deportiu: 6.60WEL: 6.53 CCM: 6.28 hahahaha, that teamed is currently 20th in the league standings and is likely to be relegated. So basically, you are saying the HAL is about as good as that. Bottom of LaLiga2 and LaLiga3 Wow, don't you aim high. lol It's about bottom half of the Segunda which shows that the A-League is much better than what it was.
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+x+x+xTransfermarkt squad values (in millions) MVC: 12.49 SYD: 10.31 MCY: 9.32 PER: 8.55 BRI : 8.33WSW: 7.22 NEW: 7.1 ADL: 6.62 Reus Deportiu: 6.60WEL: 6.53 CCM: 6.28 hahahaha, that teamed is currently 20th in the league standings and is likely to be relegated. So basically, you are saying the HAL is about as good as that. Bottom of LaLiga2 and LaLiga3 Wow, don't you aim high. lol It's about bottom half of the Segunda which shows that the A-League is much better than what it was. You do not have any evidence of how good the HAL was in years gone by. I would agree that today's HAL is better than the first few years yes, but it is now in decline in the last 4 years. And the only thing you have proven is that the bottom 4 teams of LaLiga2 is where the HAL is at. in other words, LaLiga3 level. HAL is not the same level as LaLiga2
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+x+x+x+xTransfermarkt squad values (in millions) MVC: 12.49 SYD: 10.31 MCY: 9.32 PER: 8.55 BRI : 8.33WSW: 7.22 NEW: 7.1 ADL: 6.62 Reus Deportiu: 6.60WEL: 6.53 CCM: 6.28 hahahaha, that teamed is currently 20th in the league standings and is likely to be relegated. So basically, you are saying the HAL is about as good as that. Bottom of LaLiga2 and LaLiga3 Wow, don't you aim high. lol It's about bottom half of the Segunda which shows that the A-League is much better than what it was. You do not have any evidence of how good the HAL was in years gone by. The quote by Isaias.
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+x+x+x+x+xTransfermarkt squad values (in millions) MVC: 12.49 SYD: 10.31 MCY: 9.32 PER: 8.55 BRI : 8.33WSW: 7.22 NEW: 7.1 ADL: 6.62 Reus Deportiu: 6.60WEL: 6.53 CCM: 6.28 hahahaha, that teamed is currently 20th in the league standings and is likely to be relegated. So basically, you are saying the HAL is about as good as that. Bottom of LaLiga2 and LaLiga3 Wow, don't you aim high. lol It's about bottom half of the Segunda which shows that the A-League is much better than what it was. You do not have any evidence of how good the HAL was in years gone by. The quote by Isaias. I give you links based on the true market values of the teams. LaLiga2 = 330 million Euro HAL = 82 million Euro
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+x+x+x+x+x+xTransfermarkt squad values (in millions) MVC: 12.49 SYD: 10.31 MCY: 9.32 PER: 8.55 BRI : 8.33WSW: 7.22 NEW: 7.1 ADL: 6.62 Reus Deportiu: 6.60WEL: 6.53 CCM: 6.28 hahahaha, that teamed is currently 20th in the league standings and is likely to be relegated. So basically, you are saying the HAL is about as good as that. Bottom of LaLiga2 and LaLiga3 Wow, don't you aim high. lol It's about bottom half of the Segunda which shows that the A-League is much better than what it was. You do not have any evidence of how good the HAL was in years gone by. The quote by Isaias. I give you links based on the true market values of the teams. LaLiga2 = 330 million Euro HAL = 82 million Euro The bottom 10 of LaLiga2 is pretty much equivalent value wise as our 10 teams.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xTransfermarkt squad values (in millions) MVC: 12.49 SYD: 10.31 MCY: 9.32 PER: 8.55 BRI : 8.33WSW: 7.22 NEW: 7.1 ADL: 6.62 Reus Deportiu: 6.60WEL: 6.53 CCM: 6.28 hahahaha, that teamed is currently 20th in the league standings and is likely to be relegated. So basically, you are saying the HAL is about as good as that. Bottom of LaLiga2 and LaLiga3 Wow, don't you aim high. lol It's about bottom half of the Segunda which shows that the A-League is much better than what it was. You do not have any evidence of how good the HAL was in years gone by. The quote by Isaias. I give you links based on the true market values of the teams. LaLiga2 = 330 million Euro HAL = 82 million Euro The bottom 10 of LaLiga2 is pretty much equivalent value wise as our 10 teams. This. Therefore Isaias' claim that the A-League is the same standard as La Liga 2 is correct.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xTransfermarkt squad values (in millions) MVC: 12.49 SYD: 10.31 MCY: 9.32 PER: 8.55 BRI : 8.33WSW: 7.22 NEW: 7.1 ADL: 6.62 Reus Deportiu: 6.60WEL: 6.53 CCM: 6.28 hahahaha, that teamed is currently 20th in the league standings and is likely to be relegated. So basically, you are saying the HAL is about as good as that. Bottom of LaLiga2 and LaLiga3 Wow, don't you aim high. lol It's about bottom half of the Segunda which shows that the A-League is much better than what it was. You do not have any evidence of how good the HAL was in years gone by. The quote by Isaias. I give you links based on the true market values of the teams. LaLiga2 = 330 million Euro HAL = 82 million Euro The bottom 10 of LaLiga2 is pretty much equivalent value wise as our 10 teams. This. Therefore Isaias' claim that the A-League is the same standard as La Liga 2 is correct. No it doesn't because there are teams in that comp worth 30 and 40 million Euro. The most expensive HAL team is something like 9 million Euro.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xTransfermarkt squad values (in millions) MVC: 12.49 SYD: 10.31 MCY: 9.32 PER: 8.55 BRI : 8.33WSW: 7.22 NEW: 7.1 ADL: 6.62 Reus Deportiu: 6.60WEL: 6.53 CCM: 6.28 hahahaha, that teamed is currently 20th in the league standings and is likely to be relegated. So basically, you are saying the HAL is about as good as that. Bottom of LaLiga2 and LaLiga3 Wow, don't you aim high. lol It's about bottom half of the Segunda which shows that the A-League is much better than what it was. You do not have any evidence of how good the HAL was in years gone by. The quote by Isaias. I give you links based on the true market values of the teams. LaLiga2 = 330 million Euro HAL = 82 million Euro The bottom 10 of LaLiga2 is pretty much equivalent value wise as our 10 teams. This. Therefore Isaias' claim that the A-League is the same standard as La Liga 2 is correct. No it doesn't because there are teams in that comp worth 30 and 40 million Euro. The most expensive HAL team is something like 9 million Euro. If Segunda Liga is so much better, how does a bloke who struggled over here then go an absolutely tear it up in the Segunda division? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergi_Guardiola
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xTransfermarkt squad values (in millions) MVC: 12.49 SYD: 10.31 MCY: 9.32 PER: 8.55 BRI : 8.33WSW: 7.22 NEW: 7.1 ADL: 6.62 Reus Deportiu: 6.60WEL: 6.53 CCM: 6.28 hahahaha, that teamed is currently 20th in the league standings and is likely to be relegated. So basically, you are saying the HAL is about as good as that. Bottom of LaLiga2 and LaLiga3 Wow, don't you aim high. lol It's about bottom half of the Segunda which shows that the A-League is much better than what it was. You do not have any evidence of how good the HAL was in years gone by. The quote by Isaias. I give you links based on the true market values of the teams. LaLiga2 = 330 million Euro HAL = 82 million Euro The bottom 10 of LaLiga2 is pretty much equivalent value wise as our 10 teams. This. Therefore Isaias' claim that the A-League is the same standard as La Liga 2 is correct. No it doesn't because there are teams in that comp worth 30 and 40 million Euro. The most expensive HAL team is something like 9 million Euro. If Segunda Liga is so much better, how does a bloke who struggled over here then go an absolutely tear it up in the Segunda division? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergi_Guardiola +x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xTransfermarkt squad values (in millions) MVC: 12.49 SYD: 10.31 MCY: 9.32 PER: 8.55 BRI : 8.33WSW: 7.22 NEW: 7.1 ADL: 6.62 Reus Deportiu: 6.60WEL: 6.53 CCM: 6.28 hahahaha, that teamed is currently 20th in the league standings and is likely to be relegated. So basically, you are saying the HAL is about as good as that. Bottom of LaLiga2 and LaLiga3 Wow, don't you aim high. lol It's about bottom half of the Segunda which shows that the A-League is much better than what it was. You do not have any evidence of how good the HAL was in years gone by. The quote by Isaias. I give you links based on the true market values of the teams. LaLiga2 = 330 million Euro HAL = 82 million Euro The bottom 10 of LaLiga2 is pretty much equivalent value wise as our 10 teams. This. Therefore Isaias' claim that the A-League is the same standard as La Liga 2 is correct. No it doesn't because there are teams in that comp worth 30 and 40 million Euro. The most expensive HAL team is something like 9 million Euro. If Segunda Liga is so much better, how does a bloke who struggled over here then go an absolutely tear it up in the Segunda division? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergi_Guardiola There have been players that have gone from the HAL to the EPL, Seria A, laLiga, Erevedisie, Bundeslige, Belgium and Greece and also forged great careers. Football players are aspiration and will always try their luck in better leagues. that is what it is all about. But just because someone makes it in LaLiga2 or the EPL, or Serie A, does not mean that we are better or is in anyway a good comparison between the HAL and that other league. All it indicates is that this player has gone from the HAL to Segunda to further his career and prospects. If he makes it in LaLiga2 there will be more opportunity for him and more chance for him to be noticed but even better teams. Please be logical....
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xTransfermarkt squad values (in millions) MVC: 12.49 SYD: 10.31 MCY: 9.32 PER: 8.55 BRI : 8.33WSW: 7.22 NEW: 7.1 ADL: 6.62 Reus Deportiu: 6.60WEL: 6.53 CCM: 6.28 hahahaha, that teamed is currently 20th in the league standings and is likely to be relegated. So basically, you are saying the HAL is about as good as that. Bottom of LaLiga2 and LaLiga3 Wow, don't you aim high. lol It's about bottom half of the Segunda which shows that the A-League is much better than what it was. You do not have any evidence of how good the HAL was in years gone by. The quote by Isaias. I give you links based on the true market values of the teams. LaLiga2 = 330 million Euro HAL = 82 million Euro The bottom 10 of LaLiga2 is pretty much equivalent value wise as our 10 teams. This. Therefore Isaias' claim that the A-League is the same standard as La Liga 2 is correct. No it doesn't because there are teams in that comp worth 30 and 40 million Euro. The most expensive HAL team is something like 9 million Euro. If Segunda Liga is so much better, how does a bloke who struggled over here then go an absolutely tear it up in the Segunda division? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergi_Guardiola +x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xTransfermarkt squad values (in millions) MVC: 12.49 SYD: 10.31 MCY: 9.32 PER: 8.55 BRI : 8.33WSW: 7.22 NEW: 7.1 ADL: 6.62 Reus Deportiu: 6.60WEL: 6.53 CCM: 6.28 hahahaha, that teamed is currently 20th in the league standings and is likely to be relegated. So basically, you are saying the HAL is about as good as that. Bottom of LaLiga2 and LaLiga3 Wow, don't you aim high. lol It's about bottom half of the Segunda which shows that the A-League is much better than what it was. You do not have any evidence of how good the HAL was in years gone by. The quote by Isaias. I give you links based on the true market values of the teams. LaLiga2 = 330 million Euro HAL = 82 million Euro The bottom 10 of LaLiga2 is pretty much equivalent value wise as our 10 teams. This. Therefore Isaias' claim that the A-League is the same standard as La Liga 2 is correct. No it doesn't because there are teams in that comp worth 30 and 40 million Euro. The most expensive HAL team is something like 9 million Euro. If Segunda Liga is so much better, how does a bloke who struggled over here then go an absolutely tear it up in the Segunda division? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergi_Guardiola There have been players that have gone from the HAL to the EPL, Seria A, laLiga, Erevedisie, Bundeslige, Belgium and Greece and also forged great careers. Football players are aspiration and will always try their luck in better leagues. that is what it is all about. But just because someone makes it in LaLiga2 or the EPL, or Serie A, does not mean that we are better or is in anyway a good comparison between the HAL and that other league. All it indicates is that this player has gone from the HAL to Segunda to further his career and prospects. If he makes it in LaLiga2 there will be more opportunity for him and more chance for him to be noticed but even better teams. Please be logical.... You could make the same argument with Oar at APOEL...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xTransfermarkt squad values (in millions) MVC: 12.49 SYD: 10.31 MCY: 9.32 PER: 8.55 BRI : 8.33WSW: 7.22 NEW: 7.1 ADL: 6.62 Reus Deportiu: 6.60WEL: 6.53 CCM: 6.28 hahahaha, that teamed is currently 20th in the league standings and is likely to be relegated. So basically, you are saying the HAL is about as good as that. Bottom of LaLiga2 and LaLiga3 Wow, don't you aim high. lol It's about bottom half of the Segunda which shows that the A-League is much better than what it was. You do not have any evidence of how good the HAL was in years gone by. The quote by Isaias. I give you links based on the true market values of the teams. LaLiga2 = 330 million Euro HAL = 82 million Euro The bottom 10 of LaLiga2 is pretty much equivalent value wise as our 10 teams. This. Therefore Isaias' claim that the A-League is the same standard as La Liga 2 is correct. No it doesn't because there are teams in that comp worth 30 and 40 million Euro. The most expensive HAL team is something like 9 million Euro. If Segunda Liga is so much better, how does a bloke who struggled over here then go an absolutely tear it up in the Segunda division? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergi_Guardiola +x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xTransfermarkt squad values (in millions) MVC: 12.49 SYD: 10.31 MCY: 9.32 PER: 8.55 BRI : 8.33WSW: 7.22 NEW: 7.1 ADL: 6.62 Reus Deportiu: 6.60WEL: 6.53 CCM: 6.28 hahahaha, that teamed is currently 20th in the league standings and is likely to be relegated. So basically, you are saying the HAL is about as good as that. Bottom of LaLiga2 and LaLiga3 Wow, don't you aim high. lol It's about bottom half of the Segunda which shows that the A-League is much better than what it was. You do not have any evidence of how good the HAL was in years gone by. The quote by Isaias. I give you links based on the true market values of the teams. LaLiga2 = 330 million Euro HAL = 82 million Euro The bottom 10 of LaLiga2 is pretty much equivalent value wise as our 10 teams. This. Therefore Isaias' claim that the A-League is the same standard as La Liga 2 is correct. No it doesn't because there are teams in that comp worth 30 and 40 million Euro. The most expensive HAL team is something like 9 million Euro. If Segunda Liga is so much better, how does a bloke who struggled over here then go an absolutely tear it up in the Segunda division? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergi_Guardiola There have been players that have gone from the HAL to the EPL, Seria A, laLiga, Erevedisie, Bundeslige, Belgium and Greece and also forged great careers. Football players are aspiration and will always try their luck in better leagues. that is what it is all about. But just because someone makes it in LaLiga2 or the EPL, or Serie A, does not mean that we are better or is in anyway a good comparison between the HAL and that other league. All it indicates is that this player has gone from the HAL to Segunda to further his career and prospects. If he makes it in LaLiga2 there will be more opportunity for him and more chance for him to be noticed but even better teams. Please be logical.... You could make the same argument with Oar at APOEL... Yes Oar was in the Dutch League and was bought by Apoel so he went for 300K He was always going to go for the money and glitz of Apoel. No player would go to the A League because Apoel play in the Champions League and are capable of anything. Oar was getting pissed off because he wasn't getting any game time. After Bean was sacked it was pretty much the end of the road for Oar so he went to CCM. That was the only offer he had. Dutch didn't want him and the Cypriots didn't want him either. Oar was a waste of money.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xTransfermarkt squad values (in millions) MVC: 12.49 SYD: 10.31 MCY: 9.32 PER: 8.55 BRI : 8.33WSW: 7.22 NEW: 7.1 ADL: 6.62 Reus Deportiu: 6.60WEL: 6.53 CCM: 6.28 hahahaha, that teamed is currently 20th in the league standings and is likely to be relegated. So basically, you are saying the HAL is about as good as that. Bottom of LaLiga2 and LaLiga3 Wow, don't you aim high. lol It's about bottom half of the Segunda which shows that the A-League is much better than what it was. You do not have any evidence of how good the HAL was in years gone by. The quote by Isaias. I give you links based on the true market values of the teams. LaLiga2 = 330 million Euro HAL = 82 million Euro The bottom 10 of LaLiga2 is pretty much equivalent value wise as our 10 teams. So! The bottom 10 of LaLiga 2 still need to play the top 10, which means the competition is just stronger all round.
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How the hell is CCMs squad valued at more than $6m
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and that's in pounds
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I'm sure clubs are falling over themselves to sign Tommy Oar for over $2m Australian. The figures don't stack up. Craig Goodwin is valued at almost a third of Tommy Oar | 45 | |  | 27 |  | £540k |
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+xI'm sure clubs are falling over themselves to sign Tommy Oar for over $2m Australian. The figures don't stack up. Craig Goodwin is valued at almost a third of Tommy Oar | 45 | | | 27 | | £540k |
Player valuations have next to nothing to do with current performances. They are more about contract value. So if a player is on a long contract (or have a long time left on their contract) their value can appear to be higher than expected. The value is about how much it would potentially cost a club to purchase the player as this typically involves paying out the current contract.
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Seems to indicate the A-league must be pretty decent then, perhaps better than League 2 Spain
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+xSeems to indicate the A-league must be pretty decent then, perhaps better than League 2 Spain Most of the players that made it big over there, were actually NSL products or early A League. That generation. Now there isn't much going on like there use to be, so that indicates something different to me.
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Those Transfermarkt values can't be used to directly compare leagues. You will find they are influenced by the football economy in the individual countries. Australian doesn't have an internal transfer system so our players are generally worth less than other 'top' Asian countries.
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+xThose Transfermarkt values can't be used to directly compare leagues. You will find they are influenced by the football economy in the individual countries. Australian doesn't have an internal transfer system so our players are generally worth less than other 'top' Asian countries. If the Australian players in the HAL were in demand by European Leagues, then they would be sort after. The transfer market isn't just internal. It is global.
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+x+xThose Transfermarkt values can't be used to directly compare leagues. You will find they are influenced by the football economy in the individual countries. Australian doesn't have an internal transfer system so our players are generally worth less than other 'top' Asian countries. If the Australian players in the HAL were in demand by European Leagues, then they would be sort after. The transfer market isn't just internal. It is global. Transfer values are purely based on actual contract values and have nothing to do with performance. The price is based on how much it would cost to purchase player from a club including paying out a current contract at that point in time. Obviously there is some correlation between transfer value and player quality, but it's a very loose correlation and not close to being definitive.
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+x+x+xThose Transfermarkt values can't be used to directly compare leagues. You will find they are influenced by the football economy in the individual countries. Australian doesn't have an internal transfer system so our players are generally worth less than other 'top' Asian countries. If the Australian players in the HAL were in demand by European Leagues, then they would be sort after. The transfer market isn't just internal. It is global. Transfer values are purely based on actual contract values and have nothing to do with performance. The price is based on how much it would cost to purchase player from a club including paying out a current contract at that point in time. Obviously there is some correlation between transfer value and player quality, but it's a very loose correlation and not close to being definitive. I don't believe that is accurate. Contract values are stipulated by retrospective performances, reputation, and what the market is willing to pay and offer in most cases. Players can however fall out of form, but values can only be retrospective in nature as no one can predict the future. In these cases, it is possible for a player to be over priced, just like there is a possibility for a young player to be under valued. Yes there is a lot of correlation between player values and quality, consistency, reputation and performance.
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+x+x+x+xThose Transfermarkt values can't be used to directly compare leagues. You will find they are influenced by the football economy in the individual countries. Australian doesn't have an internal transfer system so our players are generally worth less than other 'top' Asian countries. If the Australian players in the HAL were in demand by European Leagues, then they would be sort after. The transfer market isn't just internal. It is global. Transfer values are purely based on actual contract values and have nothing to do with performance. The price is based on how much it would cost to purchase player from a club including paying out a current contract at that point in time. Obviously there is some correlation between transfer value and player quality, but it's a very loose correlation and not close to being definitive. I don't believe that is accurate. Contract values are stipulated by retrospective performances, reputation, and what the market is willing to pay and offer in most cases. Players can however fall out of form, but values can only be retrospective in nature as no one can predict the future. Yes there is a lot of correlation between player values and quality. When a transfer does happen and the clubs are negotiating a fee, yes all those things come into play. However, the values posted on sites like transfermarkt are based primarily based on contract values. These values should not be taken as gospel. Sometimes they are accurate, other times they are way off. Just because a player happens to be on a good contract doesn't mean they are worth. Sometimes it just means they have a good agent.
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+x+xThose Transfermarkt values can't be used to directly compare leagues. You will find they are influenced by the football economy in the individual countries. Australian doesn't have an internal transfer system so our players are generally worth less than other 'top' Asian countries. If the Australian players in the HAL were in demand by European Leagues, then they would be sort after. The transfer market isn't just internal. It is global. Bruno Fornaroli is still valued at €1.5M even though he's not playing. In comparison Toivenen is valued at €1.35M. I know which one I'd rather have in my squad. Transfer values don't tell the full story.
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Salary cap has enabled every Oz team to win the title except for a PERTH which may well happen this season the way they’re going. That can only be good for the league whilst the alternative is for a couple clubs to constantly win the trophy ala Scottish Professional League and interest is lost elsewhere. Leave the cap until the league fully establishes itself with more clubs and second division.
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+xSalary cap has enabled every Oz team to win the title except for a PERTH which may well happen this season the way they’re going.That can only be good for the league whilst the alternative is for a couple clubs to constantly win the trophy ala Scottish Professional League and interest is lost elsewhere.Leave the cap until the league fully establishes itself with more clubs and second division. It isn't good for the league. All it does is establish mediocrity. Sure, in the other leagues, including Spain and Italy, the championship is dominated by 5 or 6 clubs. But they have such giants as Barcelona and Real Madrid. And yes, they are going to take the championship a lot. Even as a lower ranked team, it is a privilege to play against such power houses. For many, it is a highlight in their careers. Players are blooded and made and it is their chance to impress, because who knows, they too might end up at Barcelona or Real Madrid. If Spain had a salary cap, then the Barcelona's and Real Madrids of this world won't exist. The bottom end of the league develop and blood all the youngsters and home grown talent. It's a system that works and every players looks forward to the day they play against Barcelona and Real Madrid. These clubs also feed off the big end of town because they are on the money gravy train. The develop players and Barcelona and Real Madrid come along and sign those players for millions. It's big business and every club has its purpose and goals. Salary Cap is a hand brake against development and it also reduces the quality of the product. Communism is a failed concept... Without a salary cap, our league would be better, faster, more exciting, and the crowds would be bigger because there would be more draw-cards. Also, we would produce better players as well, and we would be taken more seriously internationally attracting even more players. And these spin offs will also apply to the Socceroos which would have better players and more depth.
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