Australia vs England Semi-Final


Australia vs England Semi-Final

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Langer has said Handscomb will play. Stoinis passed fit. Some suggestion Wade might replace Maxwell too which I think would be a weird selection- to beat England we need Maxwell and Wade in the middle order. Maxwell has provided much more as an allround package than Stoinis this tournament. 

What I expect: Warner Finch Smith Handscomb Wade/Maxwell Stoinis Carey Cummins Starc Lyon Behrendroff
What Id strongly consider: Warner Finch Smith Handscomb Maxwell Wade Carey Cummins Starc Lyon Behrendroff or Warner Finch Smith Carey Maxwell Wade Stoinis Cummins Starc Lyon Behrendroff

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No matter who is finally IN, just do it fellas !
Look forward to this game.


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RedKat - 10 Jul 2019 10:59 AM
Langer has said Handscomb will play. Stoinis passed fit. Some suggestion Wade might replace Maxwell too which I think would be a weird selection- to beat England we need Maxwell and Wade in the middle order. Maxwell has provided much more as an allround package than Stoinis this tournament. 

What I expect: Warner Finch Smith Handscomb Wade/Maxwell Stoinis Carey Cummins Starc Lyon Behrendroff
What Id strongly consider: Warner Finch Smith Handscomb Maxwell Wade Carey Cummins Starc Lyon Behrendroff or Warner Finch Smith Carey Maxwell Wade Stoinis Cummins Starc Lyon Behrendroff

Does Handscomb deserve a place based on performances? 
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rumour is maxwell dropped for wade which leaves us with 10 overs from stoinis (who has been the weaker batter of the 2)
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Handscomb did very well in the India and Pakistan series before the World Cup and only got dropped for Smith. 

If were going five bowlers it has to be Maxwell over Stoinis. Hoping it’s some mind games but otherwise it’ll be yet again poor management of Maxwell 

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RedKat - 11 Jul 2019 8:05 AM
Handscomb did very well in the India and Pakistan series before the World Cup and only got dropped for Smith. 

If were going five bowlers it has to be Maxwell over Stoinis. Hoping it’s some mind games but otherwise it’ll be yet again poor management of Maxwell 

Handscomb comes in as Aussies bat first. Play.
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yeah maxwell hasn't been in great form but he has been the better of stoinis/maxwell

Mind you having either bowler bowl for 10 overs is a little frightening to me
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Maxwell's been hitting it really well and evidently been given the role of accelerating at a sprint. Hes striking around 200 so hes done that job and been very tidy with the ball. He may not have taken wickets but overall hes contributed more as an allround package than Stoinis and dropping him would be the wrong decision I think

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RedKat - 11 Jul 2019 9:14 AM
Maxwell's been hitting it really well and evidently been given the role of accelerating at a sprint. Hes striking around 200 so hes done that job and been very tidy with the ball. He may not have taken wickets but overall hes contributed more as an allround package than Stoinis and dropping him would be the wrong decision I think

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jaszyjim - I cannot believe how many of you are staying with Maxwell & talking about
how he will accelerate the batting in the middle order.
Yes he averages 200 but in the last 4 matches barley faces 10 odd balls.
He has been an absolute disaster in the middle order batting.
Bowling OK & fielding excellent.
Agree though he is a better choice than Stoinis.
No mention of M. Marsh, so I assume he is not being considered. 
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jaszyjim - 11 Jul 2019 12:25 PM
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Gday RK,
jaszyjim - I cannot believe how many of you are staying with Maxwell & talking about
how he will accelerate the batting in the middle order.
Yes he averages 200 but in the last 4 matches barley faces 10 odd balls.
He has been an absolute disaster in the middle order batting.
Bowling OK & fielding excellent.
Agree though he is a better choice than Stoinis.
No mention of M. Marsh, so I assume he is not being considered. 

marsh can't be considered under icc rules unless stoinis is injured but he recovered
Marsh is an upgrade on Stoinis. But lets hope faith in stoinis will pay off
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grazorblade - 11 Jul 2019 3:05 PM
jaszyjim - 11 Jul 2019 12:25 PM

marsh can't be considered under icc rules unless stoinis is injured but he recovered
Marsh is an upgrade on Stoinis. But lets hope faith in stoinis will pay off

Gday all,
jaszyjim - been busy and have only just started watching the match & seen the team.
We are 1 wicket down with Finch not moving his feet again - that aside with the team
the selectors have gone for we have lost.
This team will not beat England.
I hope I am proved wrong, but have totally lost faith in the selectors


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jaszyjim - 11 Jul 2019 7:43 PM
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Gday all,
jaszyjim - been busy and have only just started watching the match & seen the team.
We are 1 wicket down with Finch not moving his feet again - that aside with the team
the selectors have gone for we have lost.
This team will not beat England.
I hope I am proved wrong, but have totally lost faith in the selectors


Unfortunately, two down, JJ! 

We are 2-13 with both openers out for very little. 
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Australia need to go with the same team they have. Warner, Finch, Khawaja, Smith, Maxwell, Stoinis, Carey, Cummins, Starc, Behrendorff and Lyons.

Australia made the right choice 5 games ago by bringing in Behrendorff to open with Starc, as we now have 2 of our top 3 bowlers in all forms of the game in the side and unfortunately the selectors didn't choose Pattinson so he can't play. Last time Australia played England Starc and Behrendorff took 9/87, they were no hope and if the batsmen can't match that then they deserve to lose. Our 4th best bowler in Cummins needs to step up and justify his mouth about how cricketers deserve longer contracts by proving he is worthy of such faith. He has done nothing in this series at least NCN made a significant contribution with the bat to allow us to be playing SF, but he has been dropped.

I doubt Wade nor Handscomb bring much extra with regards to Khawaja but Wade for Smith maybe? They have the winning formula with a slight hiccup against SA but that was only because Finch, Khawaja, and Smith failed so badly so they need to knuckle down for the early part and play sensibly then let Maxwell Stoinis and Carey explode towards the end. I do believe that we now have the bowling attack to win (if only Pattinson was playing), not only this but the upcoming Ashes series.
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Mitch Marsh cant be considered because Stoinis was ruled fit. Similarly Khawaja has been ruled out so cant be picked. Handscomb has been confirmed as a replacement and will probably bat 4. 

Insane to suggest dropping Smith. If he wasnt at the other end, NCN wouldnt have made the knock. Smith is a big game player whos big knock last semi got us into the final.

Maxwell's a momentum changer. His 46* off 22 and 32 off 10 were major knocks were big accelerators at the end. You want him there in overs 40-50. Also hes a tidy bowler and one of the best fielders in the world. He balances the team out way too much to drop. 

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Archer and Woakes are bowling well. 
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Decentric - 11 Jul 2019 7:56 PM
Archer and Woakes are bowling well. 

Gday Dc,
jaszyjim - lost Warner whilst I was posting & Hanscombe now gone.
What I can't understand, is who in their right mind would put Hanscombe in this team at 4
or any position & Smith @ 3 - Wade would have been a far better option as many stated previous
This has to be the most ludicrous team we have ever fielded in any international ODI.
How do we win - Smith 200 & Maxwell a 100 - just don't hold your breath
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jaszyjim - 11 Jul 2019 8:05 PM
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What I can't understand, is who in their right mind would put Hanscombe in this team at 4
or any position & Smith @ 3 - Wade would have been a far better option as many stated previous
This has to be the most ludicrous team we have ever fielded in any international ODI.


Good day, JJ. 

It seems all but you, me and Andrew Symonds think Handscomb should not have been selected! 
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Decentric - 11 Jul 2019 8:22 PM
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Good day, JJ. 

It seems all but you, me and Andrew Symonds think Handscomb should not have been selected! 

Meant selected! 
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Three down 

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RedKat - 11 Jul 2019 8:00 PM
Three down 

Can we win from here? 
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Decentric - 11 Jul 2019 8:24 PM
RedKat - 11 Jul 2019 8:00 PM

Can we win from here? 

Yes. Depends on Smiffy & Starc though

I thought WE were the doom & gloom merchants :-)
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Yes. Depends on Smiffy & Starc though

I thought WE were the doom & gloom merchants :-)

I’m a realist! 

Two of the top scorers in the WC back in the pavilion, plus
our third best performing batter injured! 
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Apparently, we have the second worst figures for batters 3-6 in the WC! 
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Nice 4 from a Smith pull, but experts have confirmed what I predicted. 

He isn’t as good as he was. 
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Good straight drive for 4 from Smith! 

3-53 from 25 overs. 
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Smith is looking better than he has. 

Another nice cut for 4.
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Another nice hook for 4 from Smith. 
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Wrong shot from Carey there just as we were getting things back on track 

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hopefully this means something in the pitch

Carey gone a bit early. We needed these two to last another 8 or so overs
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Carey has gone. 

Caught in the deep of leggy  Rashid in the 40s. 

4-117 in the 27th isn’t too good. 
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stoinis gone for a duck

need maxwell here gee
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Now Stoinis out LBW for a second ball duck. Can’t he pick a googly from Rashid? 
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we have to bat the 50 and make at least 250
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grazorblade - 11 Jul 2019 9:38 PM
we have to bat the 50 and make at least 250

Good day, Grazor. 

250 seems a long way off with 5 batting wickets down. 
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grazorblade - 11 Jul 2019 9:38 PM
we have to bat the 50 and make at least 250

250 might well do it tbh
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250 might well do it tbh

Everything you fantasize about doing to us Aussies is not far away, TP! 
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wish we had mitch marsh for stoinis
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grazorblade - 11 Jul 2019 9:40 PM
wish we had mitch marsh for stoinis

Stoinis’ average for his batting  must have been awful for this WC. 
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maxwell has to dig in here

he wouldnt have trained much for this situation

nervous times
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maxwell survives

well done, 4 more spin overs
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archer on
maxwell struggled against quick short ones when the ball is newish
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well he's not leaving short ones alone

pulled to the boundary
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Maxwell executed on decent pull off Archer that was controlled enough to speed over the ground for 4. 
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actually he ducked a short one that was outside off. Good sign but 2 edges and a near edge at the start of maxwells innings
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grazorblade - 11 Jul 2019 9:50 PM
actually he ducked a short one that was outside off. Good sign but 2 edges and a near edge at the start of maxwells innings

As usual. 

Maxwell can really strike a ball though. 
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Decentric - 11 Jul 2019 9:54 PM
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As usual. 

Maxwell can really strike a ball though. 

he has batted well in tough conditions before in test

but here he has probably trained to go on the attack so its hard to adjust
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maxwell hits rashid for 6

showing intent, I hope its the right play
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I like the look of wrist spinner Rashid for the Ashes. 

I love watching wristies bowl. 

Good reaching, lofted on drive for 6 by Maxwell. 
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survived another rashid over

he has 3 left joffra has 4
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survived another joffra over

perhaps his last before the death
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grazorblade - 11 Jul 2019 9:59 PM
survived another joffra over

perhaps his last before the death

He is bowling again! 
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hit for 2 against the spin

maxwell attacking rashid here, key moment. Hope he survives
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Maxwell really cracked that long hop off the back foot for 4! 
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that was a long hope, put away for four
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survived, more thrived, off another rashid over
152 up

need to survive as long as we can
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joffra on for 1 more. Need to survive

could be joy late
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grazorblade - 11 Jul 2019 10:03 PM
joffra on for 1 more. Need to survive

could be joy late

Smiffy looks like he wants to review when the ball holds up in the Edgbunsen pitch lol
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Smiffy looks like he wants to review when the ball holds up in the Edgbunsen pitch lol

I could’ve been over there with your lot gloating about beating us, TP! 

I have relatives all over England. 

LOL! 
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Decentric - 11 Jul 2019 10:14 PM
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I could’ve been over there with your lot gloating about beating us, TP! 

I have relatives all over England. 

LOL! 

Wish I were in Oz now instead of Japan where not a soul is aware of this epic contest!
Cricket? Croquet?
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Wish I were in Oz now instead of Japan where not a soul is aware of this epic contest!
Cricket? Croquet?

Ha ha!
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Wish I were in Oz now instead of Japan where not a soul is aware of this epic contest!
Cricket? Croquet?

I’m glad you are in Japan - where nobody knows what cricket is! 

LOL! 
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Decentric - 11 Jul 2019 10:24 PM
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I’m glad you are in Japan - where nobody knows what cricket is! 

LOL! 

My missus does.... but.  “171 for 7” means precisely nothing to her :-(


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Maxwell gone jsut as he was settling. Needed to just see our the last two archer deliveries out. 

ARNIE= LEGEND

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maxwell spoons a ball to cover

cummins can survive a bit too. Fingers crossed we make 250ish
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still a pretty good innings in the circumstances from maxwell

wish we got a 20 odd from stoinis, could of been decisive
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250? I’ll take 200 tbh

ARNIE= LEGEND

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cummins survives

they'll probably bowl joffra out here
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Wish Maxwell could've stayed for longer.
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Keyboard Warrior - 11 Jul 2019 10:09 PM
Wish Maxwell could've stayed for longer.

yeah another 3-4 overs and it could of gotten oz to safety

spewing handscomb/stoinis couldn't survive a few more, or carey

still a chance to make a score though
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huge responsibility on smith here
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survive another over

take this innings deep boys!
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Rashid is getting drift and dip in the air as well as spin both ways! 

I can’t remember this from an English wrist spinner. 

As a former wrist spinner what do you think about Rashid, Grazor? 
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Decentric - 11 Jul 2019 10:12 PM
Rashid is getting drift and dip in the air as well as spin both ways! 

I can’t remember this from an English wrist spinner. 

As a former wrist spinner what do you think about Rashid, Grazor? 

i'm glad England selected at least 1 guy that can bowl! Mind you its been unhappy times for wrist spinners this cup!

The key to watch is going accross the eyeline 3 times

1. you want it to flight enough to go above the eyeline
2. you want it to drift eye enough to go accross them (start on off and pitch on middle/leg)
3. you want to do more than straighten, if it goes towards off and you cross 3 eyelines you will pick up wickets
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i'm glad England selected at least 1 guy that can bowl! Mind you its been unhappy times for wrist spinners this cup!

The key to watch is going accross the eyeline 3 times

1. you want it to flight enough to go above the eyeline
2. you want it to drift eye enough to go accross them (start on off and pitch on middle/leg)
3. you want to do more than straighten, if it goes towards off and you cross 3 eyelines you will pick up wickets

Not many leggies can do all this - well.
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1 more ball

need to survive
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Another good googly from Rashid. 

Cummins edges him to slip, for a good catch. 

7-166 off 37. 

At this rate we aren’t going to get to 50 overs. 
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come one starc and smith
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what is par on this pitch?
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Even though he is a Pom, I love watching Rashid. 

An attacking wrist spinner. 

Hope he plays in the Ashes. 
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rashid bowled out and joffra 1 to go

shame we have only 3 in hand
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it was an unplayable ball to a tail ender the one that got cummins

a googly that looks like a long hop that spins a mile!
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grazorblade - 11 Jul 2019 10:24 PM
it was an unplayable ball to a tail ender the one that got cummins

a googly that looks like a long hop that spins a mile!

It was a good ball. 
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easier bowling now

if only we had more wickets in hand...
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grazorblade - 11 Jul 2019 10:25 PM
easier bowling now

if only we had more wickets in hand...

More wickets would be nice! 
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into the last 10

can we get 60 odd?
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grazorblade - 11 Jul 2019 10:27 PM
into the last 10

can we get 60 odd?

All very well, but can we preserve 3 wickets? 
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All very well, but can we preserve 3 wickets? 

Over 9 overs. 
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khawaja feels a big loss now!

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just 1 off that over

we will probably play watchfully until 5 left
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very generous to not call that wide!
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great running that over
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gee if carey lasts a couple more overs, if we had khawaja, if stoinis/maxwell last a couple more overs each we could've put on a commanding score

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grazorblade - 11 Jul 2019 10:36 PM
gee if carey lasts a couple more overs, if we had khawaja, if stoinis/maxwell last a couple more overs each we could've put on a commanding score

Cudda wudda shudder when Starc comes onto bowl later
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bowler got in smiths way and nearly caused a runout!
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australia to survive 2 more then have a hit for the last 5 i reckon
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great shot from starc
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grazorblade - 11 Jul 2019 10:41 PM
great shot from starc

A few of them! 
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Wood is only bowling in the low to mid 140s, but batters seem late in playing him. 

They must be picking him him up late with his skiddy action. 
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Decentric - 11 Jul 2019 10:44 PM
Wood is only bowling in the low to mid 140s, but batters seem late in playing him. 

They must be picking him him up late with his skiddy action. 

He is  fast at times.
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6 overs to go 192 up

Australia have shown some grit here

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starc plunks it for 6
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200 up

something to bowl at

England are a batter short and maybe there is something in the pitch
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smith smokes one

good over from oz there
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grazorblade - 11 Jul 2019 10:48 PM
smith smokes one

good over from oz there

Yep!
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Nice pull for 4 from Smith.
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happy hour will be reduced to happy half hour today

5 overs left and anything from 20-60 is possible
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kept low! unplayable but smith gets it off the middle for 1
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This is one of Woakes’ better games against Oz. 
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just 2 off 4 for this woakes over
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Review?

In an earlier one like that, in this or another game, it was given out by the umpire, and the reviewing team lost the review.
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oz hurry through the single England try a review
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umpires call!

phew!
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grazorblade - 11 Jul 2019 10:54 PM
umpires call!

phew!

It clipped the top of the stumps. 
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7 off that

both teams probably ok with that as Oz inch closer to a par score
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Smith gone - run out!

8-217 from 47 overs.
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smith run out

no century there sadly but what a knock when his country needed him

hope we can get some runs off the last 17
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I'd take 17 runs from here

34 probably is the maximum we can get if we play out of our skins
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Starc caught behind - scored 29 off 36 balls. 
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Keyboard Warrior - 11 Jul 2019 11:02 PM
Starc caught behind - scored 29 off 36 balls. 

important innings

one of only 4 to make double figures!
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important innings

one of only 4 to make double figures!

The groundsman can bat, 11 is a bit low
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well its 9 down now and oz just have to bat out the 50

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come on lyon!
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hope the loss of khawaja and marsh hasn't cost us the cup!

We are probably 25 runs short of where we need to be!
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12 balls left

would love a few runs here
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England will need at least 220 which gives us a chance
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grazorblade - 11 Jul 2019 11:07 PM
England will need at least 220 which gives us a chance

No doubt

This is uncharted territory



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No doubt

This is uncharted territory



Good!

Hopefully, your lot will crack.
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australia fail to bat 50

224 to win

16 short for mine, that run out for smith was key
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223 isn’t close to enough

ARNIE= LEGEND

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gee we ended up missing khawaja. Could have guided us to an unplayable 260 odd
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meanwhile a 5th bowler like richardson would have been better than stoinis in hindsight
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I’d say the opposite. Wade instead of Stoinis would have been good 

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RedKat - 11 Jul 2019 11:18 PM
I’d say the opposite. Wade instead of Stoinis would have been good 

anyone but stoinis

why the faith in him after so long?
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ah what I'd do for 20 more runs haha

hope starc/dorff have a blinder!
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grazorblade - 11 Jul 2019 11:21 PM
ah what I'd do for 20 more runs haha

hope starc/dorff have a blinder!

Starc immediately settles into a rythm
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No wickets from the first  two overs.

Starc's pace worrying them.
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Bairstow seems to play it late as though waiting till the last moment to execute the shot.
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Dorff going past the outside edge from an out swinger  the  right hander after  swinging a few in.

He needs to  get early wickets, as he isn't much chop with an older ball.

Beautiful off drive for 4 from Roy.
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Another good Roy off drive for 4 on the up from a good length  150 KPH Starc thunderbolt. 
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Good Bairstow cut for 4 off Starc.

England looking ominous at 0-24 compared to Oz at about 2-13 at the same stage of the game.
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Decentric - 12 Jul 2019 12:03 AM


England looking ominous at 0-24 compared to Oz at about 2-13 at the same stage of the game.

Dunno about that, Roy could have been out off that flick for 6
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Dunno about that, Roy could have been out off that flick for 6

It was reasonably close.

The shot was unusual.
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It was reasonably close.

The shot was unusual.

Athers & Mel Jones dissecting that whippy flicked shot on comms just now
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I'm not not sure what the name of that wristy leg side  shot for 6 from Roy was called?
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Cummins straight  into the attack with 140 KPH plus deliveries with good line and length .

We need wickets though.

Dorff changes end.
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Decentric - 12 Jul 2019 12:09 AM
Cummins straight  into the attack with 140 KPH plus deliveries with good line and length .

V impressive first over
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both english batsmen to double figures

only 4 aussies made it this far

the pitch looks tricky but not unplayable. Thinking now we are 30 runs short rather than 16...
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Some nice straight bowling from Cummins at high 140 kph plus speed. 

He is is worrying the batters.
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our 3 biggest contributors - starc warner and finch - have all struggled to do anything so far this game.

Bad day for them to have a day off
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grazorblade - 12 Jul 2019 12:19 AM
our 3 biggest contributors - starc warner and finch - have all struggled to do anything so far this game.

Bad day for them to have a day off

It is.
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Decentric - 12 Jul 2019 12:21 AM
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It is.

also bad time to lose our best middle order batsman in khawaja!
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As Athers and Mel Jones are  saying on TV, Roy is like an Indian batter with his wristy technique.
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9th over and no wickets so far for oz

heartbreak for australia so far
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0-50 off 10.

England dominating.
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Decentric - 12 Jul 2019 12:24 AM
0-50 off 10.

England dominating.

what happened in our first 10? Was the ball seeming and swinging everywhere or did we just start poorly?
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what happened in our first 10? Was the ball seeming and swinging everywhere or did we just start poorly?

Some loose balls from Starc and Dorff, but not that many.

Roy has batted well.
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Decentric - 12 Jul 2019 12:32 AM
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Some loose balls from Starc and Dorff, but not that many.

Roy has batted well.

i mean the first 10 where we failed to bat
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grazorblade - 12 Jul 2019 12:32 AM
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i mean the first 10 where we failed to bat

The pitch was doing a bit with swing and seam.

Archer and Woakes bowled well too.

Handscomb ( why was he selected?) was hopeless playing down the wrong line, as did Finch (a failed Test opener). 

Warner lost concentration, edging it to slips.
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Decentric - 12 Jul 2019 12:36 AM
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The pitch was doing a bit with swing and seam.

Archer and Woakes bowled well too.

Handscomb ( why was he selected?) was hopeless playing down the wrong line, as did Finch (a failed Test opener). 

Warner lost concentration, edging it to slips.

finch has had a good tournament

shame we lost khawaja, could have been worth 40 runs
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grazorblade - 12 Jul 2019 12:25 AM
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what happened in our first 10? Was the ball seeming and swinging everywhere or did we just start poorly?

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baggygreenmania - 12 Jul 2019 11:16 AM
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There was plenty of life and movement from the deck in the early stages and the Pom bowlers took advantage.  Finch won the toss and shoulda bowled imho.  I cant help thinking that we need to start to get serious in limited overs cricket by picking specialist bowlers.. like the Poms do. No Anderson ..no Broad.



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0-13 off Lyon's first over, but he nearly got wickets with 2 balls.
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just about every defensive shot off the middle of the bat so far

ball not doing that much
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grazorblade - 12 Jul 2019 12:32 AM


ball not doing that much

That Cummins ball did enough to go for five wides with Carey doing his utmost not to land on his chin lol
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ouch 5 wides from cummins

falling apart here
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scoreboard pressure is funny

if we had another 20 on the board we probably take a few wickets by now
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we needed luck this chase but so far the luck has gone the other way...
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starc going scatter gun here
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well our 3 best players became 3 liabilities in the semi-final. I think this match is over

Wonder if starc can at least break the record
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smith on

rolling the dice, you never know
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grazorblade - 12 Jul 2019 12:57 AM
smith on

rolling the dice, you never know

Gives Roy the chance to hit the fourth biggest six of CWC 2019
Thank you kindly
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well thats disappointing

nap time for me, go NZ!
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Congratulations England.

The better team won on the day.

Australia might have been effective over the early rounds, but faded when it counted.
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Decentric - 12 Jul 2019 7:51 AM
Congratulations England.

The better team won on the day.

Australia might have been effective over the early rounds, but faded when it counted.

Gday DC,
jaszyjim - went to bed early without much expectations, just watched the rest
of the match on video. Took my little Aussie Terrier Scruf for a walk and
asked him what he thought of the team selection.
He just looked at me & laughed - he is very astute when it comes to cricket.
The selectors could learn from him.

So all those who keep quoting stats this is a wake up call.
Stats are fine, but being accumulated in the early matches means little.
You need to look at what is actually happening, which is why I have forecast doom gloom & disaster.

Firstly the selectors just got it wrong with probably 1/2 the squad, and bringing in Handscomb
with his behind the crease play was never going to work against a top attack. I posted this as soon
as I found out he was in the team.

The teams in the final are there because their top 3 bowlers were superb & their top order batsmen performed.
India & Australia are out because of the reverse of the above - except for Smith.

From the top - 
Finch - out as I predicted not moving his feet & the English bowlers have worked it out - should never play
in any international matches of any sort again.
Warner - out to a good ball but hung his bat out on a angle - disappointing but will play in all formats of
international cricket.
Smith - can't believe it was mentioned to drop him - he has struggled but is one of the few players you
stick with, because you know he will come good & he did.
Handscomb - what a joke, it would be interesting to hear the rationale behind the decision to select him ahead
of Wade or M. Marsh. He should never play international again in any format.
Carey - one of the few decisions the selectors finally got right moving him to 5, but should have happened
long ago. A plucky and well deserved 46. Will be interesting to see what happens to him now?
Stoinis - generally felt by most that he shouldn't be in the team & he proved it.
If this is the best he's got, not to be played internationally again.
Maxwell - Probably his highest score but he is just a slogger with little foot movement. Batted at a time we needed
time at the crease, interesting he wasn't bowled. I've constantly criticised him and he is another that should never play
international cricket in any format again.
Starc - a great knock, similar batsman to Maxwell & with a bit of luck can score.
The rest of the bowlers batted like bowlers, including Cummins.

Bowling wise we just weren't there. We were there about's but in a semi not good enough.
NZ & England showed how to bowl at this end of the tournament & they both thoroughly
deserve to be in the final.

Overall an expected result but still disappointing.
Despite some thinking I am negative, I just want to see Australia win & if I cannot see that happening
with the team selected, I will put it out there.
There really needs to be an inquisition into the selectors as they just continually get it wrong.
I think that the most disappointing aspect of this whole cup, is the initial selection of the
squad which had so many question marks over it & in the end proved lacking.

That's all folks - jaszyjim


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jaszyjim - 12 Jul 2019 11:20 AM
Decentric - 12 Jul 2019 7:51 AM

Gday DC,
jaszyjim - went to bed early without much expectations, just watched the rest
of the match on video. Took my little Aussie Terrier Scruf for a walk and
asked him what he thought of the team selection.
He just looked at me & laughed - he is very astute when it comes to cricket.
The selectors could learn from him.

So all those who keep quoting stats this is a wake up call.
Stats are fine, but being accumulated in the early matches means little.
You need to look at what is actually happening, which is why I have forecast doom gloom & disaster.

Firstly the selectors just got it wrong with probably 1/2 the squad, and bringing in Handscomb
with his behind the crease play was never going to work against a top attack. I posted this as soon
as I found out he was in the team.

The teams in the final are there because their top 3 bowlers were superb & their top order batsmen performed.
India & Australia are out because of the reverse of the above - except for Smith.

From the top - 
Finch - out as I predicted not moving his feet & the English bowlers have worked it out - should never play
in any international matches of any sort again.
Warner - out to a good ball but hung his bat out on a angle - disappointing but will play in all formats of
international cricket.
Smith - can't believe it was mentioned to drop him - he has struggled but is one of the few players you
stick with, because you know he will come good & he did.
Handscomb - what a joke, it would be interesting to hear the rationale behind the decision to select him ahead
of Wade or M. Marsh. He should never play international again in any format.
Carey - one of the few decisions the selectors finally got right moving him to 5, but should have happened
long ago. A plucky and well deserved 46. Will be interesting to see what happens to him now?
Stoinis - generally felt by most that he shouldn't be in the team & he proved it.
If this is the best he's got, not to be played internationally again.
Maxwell - Probably his highest score but he is just a slogger with little foot movement. Batted at a time we needed
time at the crease, interesting he wasn't bowled. I've constantly criticised him and he is another that should never play
international cricket in any format again.
Starc - a great knock, similar batsman to Maxwell & with a bit of luck can score.
The rest of the bowlers batted like bowlers, including Cummins.

Bowling wise we just weren't there. We were there about's but in a semi not good enough.
NZ & England showed how to bowl at this end of the tournament & they both thoroughly
deserve to be in the final.

Overall an expected result but still disappointing.
Despite some thinking I am negative, I just want to see Australia win & if I cannot see that happening
with the team selected, I will put it out there.
There really needs to be an inquisition into the selectors as they just continually get it wrong.
I think that the most disappointing aspect of this whole cup, is the initial selection of the
squad which had so many question marks over it & in the end proved lacking.

That's all folks - jaszyjim


Overall an expected result but still disappointing.
Despite some thinking I am negative, I just want to see Australia win & if I cannot see that happening
with the team selected, I will put it out there.
There really needs to be an inquisition into the selectors as they just continually get it wrong.
I think that the most disappointing aspect of this whole cup, is the initial selection of the
squad which had so many question marks over it & in the end proved lacking.

Spot on jaszyjim. They got it correct with Behendorff. Never gave our two best death bowlers Kane Richardson and Andrew Tye anywhere near  the game time they should have got. With Cummins  down on the form he came into the WC with.. one of these two should have played tonite. Also leaving out a wicket taker and a player the Poms do not handle all that well in Adam Zampa was a major mistake.


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baggygreenmania - 12 Jul 2019 1:00 PM
jaszyjim - 12 Jul 2019 11:20 AM

Overall an expected result but still disappointing.
Despite some thinking I am negative, I just want to see Australia win & if I cannot see that happening
with the team selected, I will put it out there.
There really needs to be an inquisition into the selectors as they just continually get it wrong.
I think that the most disappointing aspect of this whole cup, is the initial selection of the
squad which had so many question marks over it & in the end proved lacking.

Spot on jaszyjim. They got it correct with Behendorff. Never gave our two best death bowlers Kane Richardson and Andrew Tye anywhere near  the game time they should have got. With Cummins  down on the form he came into the WC with.. one of these two should have played tonite. Also leaving out a wicket taker and a player the Poms do not handle all that well in Adam Zampa was a major mistake.


I think it was a lack of talent that was the issue - not selectors, Baggers. 

Cummins was also forced to become first change to fit Dorf in. 

Also, Smith and Warner are not the players they were. 

Carey was also a poor keeper, albeit being an excellent batter. 
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Decentric - 12 Jul 2019 1:21 PM
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I think it was a lack of talent that was the issue - not selectors, Baggers. 

Cummins was also forced to become first change to fit Dorf in. 

Also, Smith and Warner are not the players they were. 

Carey was also a poor keeper, albeit being an excellent batter. 

Lack of talent.. equates to poor selections.  Not picking specialist death bowlers in Kane Richardson and Andrew Tye for more games were poor selections. Not picking Zampa for past three games was a poor selection. Not picking Wade for Maxwell  and Marsh for Stoinis were poor selections.
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Lack of talent.. equates to poor selections.  Not picking specialist death bowlers in Kane Richardson and Andrew Tye for more games were poor selections. Not picking Zampa for past three games was a poor selection. Not picking Wade for Maxwell  and Marsh for Stoinis were poor selections.

How was Carey a poor keeper? Did he drop vital chances, miss runouts or stumpings? He made the Oz side on the strength of his keeping. So has his keeping dropped off while his batting has hit another level?
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How was Carey a poor keeper? Did he drop vital chances, miss runouts or stumpings? He made the Oz side on the strength of his keeping. So has his keeping dropped off while his batting has hit another level?

When I watched him, Carey didn’t make too many mistakes. 

Grazor, who was watching the games from North America, thought he made 8 key mistakes that were decisive. 

I did not watch a lot of cricket after 12 midnight EST that Grazor did. 
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Lack of talent.. equates to poor selections.  Not picking specialist death bowlers in Kane Richardson and Andrew Tye for more games were poor selections. Not picking Zampa for past three games was a poor selection. Not picking Wade for Maxwell  and Marsh for Stoinis were poor selections.

Who is Andrew Tye? 

He did not play Shield cricket in Tas last season did he? 

In the bowling I saw from Lyon and Zampa, I thought the Test incumbent was the better bowler. 

However, I still missed some cricket. 
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From the top - 
Finch - out as I predicted not moving his feet & the English bowlers have worked it out - should never play
in any international matches of any sort again.



Harsh!
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Handscomb - what a joke, it would be interesting to hear the rationale behind the decision to select him ahead
of Wade or M. Marsh. 

Agree with this.
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Pathetic effort by the Wattyls when the chips were down. Was it complacency again? We were always going to struggle once our two flat track sluggers went cheaply. Even the freakish Steve Smith came up short. Ran out of partners. Starc failed when we needed him at his best. The biggest positive is the emergence of Alex Carey.. Ponting and Michael Vaughan want him to play in the Ashes.

Cummins low yield of only 14 wickets for the series has been a surprise after coming into the WC in career best form. I liked Behrendorff's productivity. CA missed a trick imho not picking the wicket taking Adam Zampa instead of a defensive bowler like Lyon. Isnt the priority in ODI cricket to reduce the run rate by taking wickets. 

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I should also say how well England played last night. 

Roy’s batting was outstanding. 

Their bowling was good too. 

Rashid was a potent wrist spinner, something  the Poms  have rarely had. 
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Decentric - 12 Jul 2019 1:24 PM
I should also say how well England played last night. 

Roy’s batting was outstanding. 

Their bowling was good too. 

Rashid was a potent wrist spinner, something  the Poms  have rarely had. 

We needed our potent wristie Zampa. Lyon was next to useless.. and Smithy lost his length.
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Keyboard Warrior - 6 Years Ago
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Decentric - 6 Years Ago
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TokyoPom - 6 Years Ago
RedKat - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
             250? I’ll take 200 tbh
RedKat - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
             Wish Maxwell could've stayed for longer.
Keyboard Warrior - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
             huge responsibility on smith here
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
Decentric - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
                     + x [quote] [b] grazorblade - 11 Jul 2019 10:18 PM [/b]...
Keyboard Warrior - 6 Years Ago
             1 more ball need to survive
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
Decentric - 6 Years Ago
             come one starc and smith
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
             what is par on this pitch?
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
Decentric - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
Decentric - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
Decentric - 6 Years Ago
             into the last 10 can we get 60 odd?
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
Decentric - 6 Years Ago
                     + x [quote] [b] Decentric - 11 Jul 2019 10:29 PM [/b]...
Decentric - 6 Years Ago
             khawaja feels a big loss now!
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
             very generous to not call that wide!
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
             great running that over
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
TokyoPom - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
             great shot from starc
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
Decentric - 6 Years Ago
Decentric - 6 Years Ago
Keyboard Warrior - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
             starc plunks it for 6
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
             smith smokes one good over from oz there
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
Keyboard Warrior - 6 Years Ago
             Nice pull for 4 from Smith.
Keyboard Warrior - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
Decentric - 6 Years Ago
             just 2 off 4 for this woakes over
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
Keyboard Warrior - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
             umpires call! phew!
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
Decentric - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
Keyboard Warrior - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
Keyboard Warrior - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
                     + x [quote] [b] grazorblade - 11 Jul 2019 11:02 PM [/b]...
TokyoPom - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
             come on lyon!
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
             12 balls left would love a few runs here
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
TokyoPom - 6 Years Ago
                     + x [quote] [b] TokyoPom - 11 Jul 2019 11:10 PM [/b]...
Keyboard Warrior - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
             223 isn’t close to enough
RedKat - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
RedKat - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
TokyoPom - 6 Years Ago
Decentric - 6 Years Ago
Decentric - 6 Years Ago
Decentric - 6 Years Ago
Decentric - 6 Years Ago
Decentric - 6 Years Ago
TokyoPom - 6 Years Ago
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Decentric - 6 Years Ago
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TokyoPom - 6 Years Ago
Decentric - 6 Years Ago
Decentric - 6 Years Ago
TokyoPom - 6 Years Ago
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Decentric - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
Decentric - 6 Years Ago
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grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
Decentric - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
             0-50 off 10. England dominating.
Decentric - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
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Decentric - 6 Years Ago
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grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
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Decentric - 6 Years Ago
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grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
                     + x [quote] [b] grazorblade - 12 Jul 2019 12:25 AM [/b]...
baggygreenmania - 6 Years Ago
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baggygreenmania - 6 Years Ago
Decentric - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
TokyoPom - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
             starc going scatter gun here
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
TokyoPom - 6 Years Ago
grazorblade - 6 Years Ago
Decentric - 6 Years Ago
jaszyjim - 6 Years Ago
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baggygreenmania - 6 Years Ago
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Decentric - 6 Years Ago
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baggygreenmania - 6 Years Ago
                                 + x [quote] [b] baggygreenmania - 13 Jul 2019 1:07 PM...
baggygreenmania - 6 Years Ago
                                     + x [quote] [b] baggygreenmania - 13 Jul 2019 1:10 PM...
Decentric - 6 Years Ago
                                 + x [quote] [b] baggygreenmania - 13 Jul 2019 1:07 PM...
Decentric - 6 Years Ago
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Decentric - 6 Years Ago
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Decentric - 6 Years Ago
baggygreenmania - 6 Years Ago
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