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+x+xSurprise surprise everyone. Our openers have failed...again and again and again. Atrocious performance!! I feel sorry for them! They'll be having nightmares about Broad running in to bowl to them. Bancoft, Warner, Usman and Harris, and Head to a lesser extent, are going to need a good sports psychologist to get over the pasting they've had. Now Leach has flighted one and got Labu stumped! Now Leach has flighted one and got Labu stumped!
Yes DC. I have seen Marnus move his feet to the pitch of those in the series before. He was stuck on the crease and just propped forward with little conviction. That, unless mistaken is his first score under 20.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xPaddles I agree with your previous post, and thank's for the support, but a lot of what you are saying was back in 2015. On Hadlee who can blame him for wanting 3rd man or mid off, don't reward the batsman for getting him to do what you want him to do. But let me explain the discussion between Baggers and myself regarding Hazlewood has been for quite a few years, we've known each other for 6 or more years. I respect Baggers opinions, more so when we discuss shield cricket. But when it comes to Hazlewood he's over the top in his praise. When he came into the side back in 2014 he had been dropped from NSW after playing only 1 game against Vic when he took 3/140 in the match and Victoria won by 9 wickets. He never played any more games at shield level that year. At the same time Jason Behrendorff just demolished Qld taking 10/114. When it came to selection Hazlewood got the nod after 4 rounds of sheffield shield had been completed. Baggers said that they needed variation in the attack as Johnson and Starc were playing Behrendorff was another leftie. Fair enough, but back then I was questioning Starc's inclusion after the start he had to his test career, who wasn't. After 12 games at test level I had no problem with Hazlewood his record was impressive as Baggers will confirm (Paddles that was the 2015 era you're talking about). Then came the time of Johnson's retirement, which sort of came out of the blue, if you recall. Johnson's parting comments were that he felt that his bowling was not good enough to warrant continued selection for Australia. With a return of 3/170 who could blame him, it's wasn't but Hazlewood's return was 1/137 and Hazlewood was the opening bowler, Johnson was the first change. That got me questioning things afterall Johnson's comment were quite strange at the time, was he nudged out the door and it was a little parting shot at Starc and Hazlewood? Pattinson then came into the side for the West Indies. Now this is where Baggers coped a lot from a lot of people on the site we were on (I think it was Bigpond) especially when he posted a comment that Pattinson was taking a page out of the Hazlewood handbook on how to bowl. A lot of people were Pattinson fans and still are. Note that particular test Hazlewood took 0 wickets and Pattinson took 6 for. A lot of people objected to Baggers continued praise of Hazlewood and really gave it to him. I never said a word if you remember Baggers. I actually did feel sorry for Baggers, but he did bring it on himself at the time, and I think most posters on this site do know what i am talking about, but everyone is entitled to their opinions and as I said I do respect Baggers opinions. Since that period Baggers and I have constantly discussed Hazlewood's downward spiral, remembering Hazlewood is and has always been an opening bowler, and as an opening bowler he has to be judged as an opening bowler. As a 1st change bowler I have no objection to Hazlewood's presence how many times have I said that Baggers. But while he is opening he is preventing bowlers such as Jackson Bird, James Pattinson, even Cummins when Starc is playing from access to the new ball which is exactly what these bowlers are really good with, they are the 1st change expected to do the grunt work which their bowling styles are not suited to, there is no point in playing them. This is to the detriment of our attack. Honestly who doesn't want to see Pattinson and Cummins open the bowling? The only time we have seen that was the 1st test a test which Australia won. Even the recent 3rd test when push came to shove, Pattinson was completely by-passed for Hazlewood and Cummins and the end result we lost the test, and where is Pattinson now. In and out of the side, no chance of establishing form with continued match play. But after all these years still no-one including Baggers and posters on this site has ever put forward a single argument well supported with any facts contrary to what I have written. Paddles can attest to that. You make think it is rubbish but prove it? That is the beauty of Forums you can give a difference in opinion, which can make you think, I never post a comment without support. I believe that this bowler is a great bowler because I like him doesn't hold much factual basis does it. Exactly who are you and should I be impressed? Let me ask you this if Baggers posts that he measures a bowlers ability on the number of plays and misses a bowler can achieve do you see a problem with this statement? The admission that the batsmen are missing yet no wicket falls, no bowled no LBW doesn't that suggest wrong line? Or maybe it's just me. But I can back off if you wish, and just praise the best bowling attack in the world, which I can assure is just not true. Was it necessary to give everyone a life story of our forum relationship Mike. If Hazlewood warrants criticism I will accept that. But he has bowled superbly.. admittedly against not the most superior of opposition (Paddles) regardless.. he does not deserve your excessive criticism.. His figures back that up..I posted them earlier) tho they have taken a hit from these T20 like tonking sessions by Stokes and Buttler. I admire the way Josh has matured and learnt from his frailties in Ashes 2015. He has not gone looking for swing and has bowled a near impeccable 7/8mts for much of the time. All bowlers even the most accurate stray on occasions.. he is not a robot. You wont back off Mike. Come summer on our flat drop ins where Hazlewood struggles and you will be back with the ribbing and use of him as your personal punching bag.. So nothing will change. As I said your constant rubbishing of Josh is becoming boring so I will be ignoring them from now on. I'm not comming between you and mike baggers, cos I know deep down you're close which was obvious before the forum I found you both on - but Josh nailed the 2015 Ashes. He knocked it out of the park and dominated. Johnson was crap. Not Haze that series. Read Mike's post again. You miss this point. No he didnt nail 2015 mate. He bowled like the rookie he was. 4-16 @25. Tho the comms said he bowled expertly using the Lords slope. His inexperience showed up when he lost his accuracy searching for swing at Nottingham and paid the price.. rather unfairly I said at the time. Johnson was pretty ordinary that tour but it was debutant rookie that got canned. I was scathing at the time with McDermott as their bowling coach. huh? 25 is below his career average. If 25 is bad or rookie - how is Broad's 27 career and 29 this series very good? Be consistent Baggers :P No matter how much you keep banging on how useless Broad is, he has destroyed most of our early batsmen, mate. I’m getting pissed off looking at the big goose strutting around the pitch as if he owns it. He must have about 25 wickets in this series. KW I reckon he has earned the right to strut around as he likes. He has made life a nitemare for our lefties and made Warner and Harris.. specially.. look like park cricketers. Now Broad has just bowled a short pitched ball to leg, and dismisses Smith caught at leg slip for 23! At 4-85 we are gone. 2-2. Bugger. That is also Smithy's first failure. Had to happen . The man must be frazzled mentally from propping up this disgraceful batting lineup all series.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xPaddles I agree with your previous post, and thank's for the support, but a lot of what you are saying was back in 2015. On Hadlee who can blame him for wanting 3rd man or mid off, don't reward the batsman for getting him to do what you want him to do. But let me explain the discussion between Baggers and myself regarding Hazlewood has been for quite a few years, we've known each other for 6 or more years. I respect Baggers opinions, more so when we discuss shield cricket. But when it comes to Hazlewood he's over the top in his praise. When he came into the side back in 2014 he had been dropped from NSW after playing only 1 game against Vic when he took 3/140 in the match and Victoria won by 9 wickets. He never played any more games at shield level that year. At the same time Jason Behrendorff just demolished Qld taking 10/114. When it came to selection Hazlewood got the nod after 4 rounds of sheffield shield had been completed. Baggers said that they needed variation in the attack as Johnson and Starc were playing Behrendorff was another leftie. Fair enough, but back then I was questioning Starc's inclusion after the start he had to his test career, who wasn't. After 12 games at test level I had no problem with Hazlewood his record was impressive as Baggers will confirm (Paddles that was the 2015 era you're talking about). Then came the time of Johnson's retirement, which sort of came out of the blue, if you recall. Johnson's parting comments were that he felt that his bowling was not good enough to warrant continued selection for Australia. With a return of 3/170 who could blame him, it's wasn't but Hazlewood's return was 1/137 and Hazlewood was the opening bowler, Johnson was the first change. That got me questioning things afterall Johnson's comment were quite strange at the time, was he nudged out the door and it was a little parting shot at Starc and Hazlewood? Pattinson then came into the side for the West Indies. Now this is where Baggers coped a lot from a lot of people on the site we were on (I think it was Bigpond) especially when he posted a comment that Pattinson was taking a page out of the Hazlewood handbook on how to bowl. A lot of people were Pattinson fans and still are. Note that particular test Hazlewood took 0 wickets and Pattinson took 6 for. A lot of people objected to Baggers continued praise of Hazlewood and really gave it to him. I never said a word if you remember Baggers. I actually did feel sorry for Baggers, but he did bring it on himself at the time, and I think most posters on this site do know what i am talking about, but everyone is entitled to their opinions and as I said I do respect Baggers opinions. Since that period Baggers and I have constantly discussed Hazlewood's downward spiral, remembering Hazlewood is and has always been an opening bowler, and as an opening bowler he has to be judged as an opening bowler. As a 1st change bowler I have no objection to Hazlewood's presence how many times have I said that Baggers. But while he is opening he is preventing bowlers such as Jackson Bird, James Pattinson, even Cummins when Starc is playing from access to the new ball which is exactly what these bowlers are really good with, they are the 1st change expected to do the grunt work which their bowling styles are not suited to, there is no point in playing them. This is to the detriment of our attack. Honestly who doesn't want to see Pattinson and Cummins open the bowling? The only time we have seen that was the 1st test a test which Australia won. Even the recent 3rd test when push came to shove, Pattinson was completely by-passed for Hazlewood and Cummins and the end result we lost the test, and where is Pattinson now. In and out of the side, no chance of establishing form with continued match play. But after all these years still no-one including Baggers and posters on this site has ever put forward a single argument well supported with any facts contrary to what I have written. Paddles can attest to that. You make think it is rubbish but prove it? That is the beauty of Forums you can give a difference in opinion, which can make you think, I never post a comment without support. I believe that this bowler is a great bowler because I like him doesn't hold much factual basis does it. Exactly who are you and should I be impressed? Let me ask you this if Baggers posts that he measures a bowlers ability on the number of plays and misses a bowler can achieve do you see a problem with this statement? The admission that the batsmen are missing yet no wicket falls, no bowled no LBW doesn't that suggest wrong line? Or maybe it's just me. But I can back off if you wish, and just praise the best bowling attack in the world, which I can assure is just not true. Was it necessary to give everyone a life story of our forum relationship Mike. If Hazlewood warrants criticism I will accept that. But he has bowled superbly.. admittedly against not the most superior of opposition (Paddles) regardless.. he does not deserve your excessive criticism.. His figures back that up..I posted them earlier) tho they have taken a hit from these T20 like tonking sessions by Stokes and Buttler. I admire the way Josh has matured and learnt from his frailties in Ashes 2015. He has not gone looking for swing and has bowled a near impeccable 7/8mts for much of the time. All bowlers even the most accurate stray on occasions.. he is not a robot. You wont back off Mike. Come summer on our flat drop ins where Hazlewood struggles and you will be back with the ribbing and use of him as your personal punching bag.. So nothing will change. As I said your constant rubbishing of Josh is becoming boring so I will be ignoring them from now on. I'm not comming between you and mike baggers, cos I know deep down you're close which was obvious before the forum I found you both on - but Josh nailed the 2015 Ashes. He knocked it out of the park and dominated. Johnson was crap. Not Haze that series. Read Mike's post again. You miss this point. No he didnt nail 2015 mate. He bowled like the rookie he was. 4-16 @25. Tho the comms said he bowled expertly using the Lords slope. His inexperience showed up when he lost his accuracy searching for swing at Nottingham and paid the price.. rather unfairly I said at the time. Johnson was pretty ordinary that tour but it was debutant rookie that got canned. I was scathing at the time with McDermott as their bowling coach. huh? 25 is below his career average. If 25 is bad or rookie - how is Broad's 27 career and 29 this series very good? Be consistent Baggers :P No matter how much you keep banging on how useless Broad is, he has destroyed most of our early batsmen, mate. I’m getting pissed off looking at the big goose strutting around the pitch as if he owns it. He must have about 25 wickets in this series. KW I reckon he has earned the right to strut around as he likes. He has made life a nitemare for our lefties and made Warner and Harris.. specially.. look like park cricketers. Now Broad has just bowled a short pitched ball to leg, and dismisses Smith caught at leg slip for 23! At 4-85 we are gone. 2-2. Bugger. That is also Smithy's first failure. Had to happen . The man must be frazzled mentally from propping up this disgraceful batting lineup all series. Root has finally found a way to dismiss the master batsman. You watch all attacks will be using a similar tactic now when Smithy comes to the crease.
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They've just posted top wicket takers for the series.
Cummins 29
Archer, Broad 22.
Lyon, Hazlewood 20.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xPaddles I agree with your previous post, and thank's for the support, but a lot of what you are saying was back in 2015. On Hadlee who can blame him for wanting 3rd man or mid off, don't reward the batsman for getting him to do what you want him to do. But let me explain the discussion between Baggers and myself regarding Hazlewood has been for quite a few years, we've known each other for 6 or more years. I respect Baggers opinions, more so when we discuss shield cricket. But when it comes to Hazlewood he's over the top in his praise. When he came into the side back in 2014 he had been dropped from NSW after playing only 1 game against Vic when he took 3/140 in the match and Victoria won by 9 wickets. He never played any more games at shield level that year. At the same time Jason Behrendorff just demolished Qld taking 10/114. When it came to selection Hazlewood got the nod after 4 rounds of sheffield shield had been completed. Baggers said that they needed variation in the attack as Johnson and Starc were playing Behrendorff was another leftie. Fair enough, but back then I was questioning Starc's inclusion after the start he had to his test career, who wasn't. After 12 games at test level I had no problem with Hazlewood his record was impressive as Baggers will confirm (Paddles that was the 2015 era you're talking about). Then came the time of Johnson's retirement, which sort of came out of the blue, if you recall. Johnson's parting comments were that he felt that his bowling was not good enough to warrant continued selection for Australia. With a return of 3/170 who could blame him, it's wasn't but Hazlewood's return was 1/137 and Hazlewood was the opening bowler, Johnson was the first change. That got me questioning things afterall Johnson's comment were quite strange at the time, was he nudged out the door and it was a little parting shot at Starc and Hazlewood? Pattinson then came into the side for the West Indies. Now this is where Baggers coped a lot from a lot of people on the site we were on (I think it was Bigpond) especially when he posted a comment that Pattinson was taking a page out of the Hazlewood handbook on how to bowl. A lot of people were Pattinson fans and still are. Note that particular test Hazlewood took 0 wickets and Pattinson took 6 for. A lot of people objected to Baggers continued praise of Hazlewood and really gave it to him. I never said a word if you remember Baggers. I actually did feel sorry for Baggers, but he did bring it on himself at the time, and I think most posters on this site do know what i am talking about, but everyone is entitled to their opinions and as I said I do respect Baggers opinions. Since that period Baggers and I have constantly discussed Hazlewood's downward spiral, remembering Hazlewood is and has always been an opening bowler, and as an opening bowler he has to be judged as an opening bowler. As a 1st change bowler I have no objection to Hazlewood's presence how many times have I said that Baggers. But while he is opening he is preventing bowlers such as Jackson Bird, James Pattinson, even Cummins when Starc is playing from access to the new ball which is exactly what these bowlers are really good with, they are the 1st change expected to do the grunt work which their bowling styles are not suited to, there is no point in playing them. This is to the detriment of our attack. Honestly who doesn't want to see Pattinson and Cummins open the bowling? The only time we have seen that was the 1st test a test which Australia won. Even the recent 3rd test when push came to shove, Pattinson was completely by-passed for Hazlewood and Cummins and the end result we lost the test, and where is Pattinson now. In and out of the side, no chance of establishing form with continued match play. But after all these years still no-one including Baggers and posters on this site has ever put forward a single argument well supported with any facts contrary to what I have written. Paddles can attest to that. You make think it is rubbish but prove it? That is the beauty of Forums you can give a difference in opinion, which can make you think, I never post a comment without support. I believe that this bowler is a great bowler because I like him doesn't hold much factual basis does it. Exactly who are you and should I be impressed? Let me ask you this if Baggers posts that he measures a bowlers ability on the number of plays and misses a bowler can achieve do you see a problem with this statement? The admission that the batsmen are missing yet no wicket falls, no bowled no LBW doesn't that suggest wrong line? Or maybe it's just me. But I can back off if you wish, and just praise the best bowling attack in the world, which I can assure is just not true. Was it necessary to give everyone a life story of our forum relationship Mike. If Hazlewood warrants criticism I will accept that. But he has bowled superbly.. admittedly against not the most superior of opposition (Paddles) regardless.. he does not deserve your excessive criticism.. His figures back that up..I posted them earlier) tho they have taken a hit from these T20 like tonking sessions by Stokes and Buttler. I admire the way Josh has matured and learnt from his frailties in Ashes 2015. He has not gone looking for swing and has bowled a near impeccable 7/8mts for much of the time. All bowlers even the most accurate stray on occasions.. he is not a robot. You wont back off Mike. Come summer on our flat drop ins where Hazlewood struggles and you will be back with the ribbing and use of him as your personal punching bag.. So nothing will change. As I said your constant rubbishing of Josh is becoming boring so I will be ignoring them from now on. I'm not comming between you and mike baggers, cos I know deep down you're close which was obvious before the forum I found you both on - but Josh nailed the 2015 Ashes. He knocked it out of the park and dominated. Johnson was crap. Not Haze that series. Read Mike's post again. You miss this point. No he didnt nail 2015 mate. He bowled like the rookie he was. 4-16 @25. Tho the comms said he bowled expertly using the Lords slope. His inexperience showed up when he lost his accuracy searching for swing at Nottingham and paid the price.. rather unfairly I said at the time. Johnson was pretty ordinary that tour but it was debutant rookie that got canned. I was scathing at the time with McDermott as their bowling coach. huh? 25 is below his career average. If 25 is bad or rookie - how is Broad's 27 career and 29 this series very good? Be consistent Baggers :P No matter how much you keep banging on how useless Broad is, he has destroyed most of our early batsmen, mate. I’m getting pissed off looking at the big goose strutting around the pitch as if he owns it. He must have about 25 wickets in this series. KW I reckon he has earned the right to strut around as he likes. He has made life a nitemare for our lefties and made Warner and Harris.. specially.. look like park cricketers. Now Broad has just bowled a short pitched ball to leg, and dismisses Smith caught at leg slip for 23! At 4-85 we are gone. 2-2. Bugger. That is also Smithy's first failure. Had to happen . The man must be frazzled mentally from propping up this disgraceful batting lineup all series. Root has finally found a way to dismiss the master batsman. You watch all attacks will be using a similar tactic now when Smithy comes to the crease. Was it luck or fatigue?
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+xThey've just posted top wicket takers for the series. Cummins 29 Archer, Broad 22. Lyon, Hazlewood 20. Any goose who reckons Hazlewood or Broad aren’t much good is talking out of their backside. Kudos to Paddy Cummins though taking 29 scalps. Lyon got 20 in the end with a crook finger.
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Great catch from Burns in slip off Marsh, but No Ball is called!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xPaddles I agree with your previous post, and thank's for the support, but a lot of what you are saying was back in 2015. On Hadlee who can blame him for wanting 3rd man or mid off, don't reward the batsman for getting him to do what you want him to do. But let me explain the discussion between Baggers and myself regarding Hazlewood has been for quite a few years, we've known each other for 6 or more years. I respect Baggers opinions, more so when we discuss shield cricket. But when it comes to Hazlewood he's over the top in his praise. When he came into the side back in 2014 he had been dropped from NSW after playing only 1 game against Vic when he took 3/140 in the match and Victoria won by 9 wickets. He never played any more games at shield level that year. At the same time Jason Behrendorff just demolished Qld taking 10/114. When it came to selection Hazlewood got the nod after 4 rounds of sheffield shield had been completed. Baggers said that they needed variation in the attack as Johnson and Starc were playing Behrendorff was another leftie. Fair enough, but back then I was questioning Starc's inclusion after the start he had to his test career, who wasn't. After 12 games at test level I had no problem with Hazlewood his record was impressive as Baggers will confirm (Paddles that was the 2015 era you're talking about). Then came the time of Johnson's retirement, which sort of came out of the blue, if you recall. Johnson's parting comments were that he felt that his bowling was not good enough to warrant continued selection for Australia. With a return of 3/170 who could blame him, it's wasn't but Hazlewood's return was 1/137 and Hazlewood was the opening bowler, Johnson was the first change. That got me questioning things afterall Johnson's comment were quite strange at the time, was he nudged out the door and it was a little parting shot at Starc and Hazlewood? Pattinson then came into the side for the West Indies. Now this is where Baggers coped a lot from a lot of people on the site we were on (I think it was Bigpond) especially when he posted a comment that Pattinson was taking a page out of the Hazlewood handbook on how to bowl. A lot of people were Pattinson fans and still are. Note that particular test Hazlewood took 0 wickets and Pattinson took 6 for. A lot of people objected to Baggers continued praise of Hazlewood and really gave it to him. I never said a word if you remember Baggers. I actually did feel sorry for Baggers, but he did bring it on himself at the time, and I think most posters on this site do know what i am talking about, but everyone is entitled to their opinions and as I said I do respect Baggers opinions. Since that period Baggers and I have constantly discussed Hazlewood's downward spiral, remembering Hazlewood is and has always been an opening bowler, and as an opening bowler he has to be judged as an opening bowler. As a 1st change bowler I have no objection to Hazlewood's presence how many times have I said that Baggers. But while he is opening he is preventing bowlers such as Jackson Bird, James Pattinson, even Cummins when Starc is playing from access to the new ball which is exactly what these bowlers are really good with, they are the 1st change expected to do the grunt work which their bowling styles are not suited to, there is no point in playing them. This is to the detriment of our attack. Honestly who doesn't want to see Pattinson and Cummins open the bowling? The only time we have seen that was the 1st test a test which Australia won. Even the recent 3rd test when push came to shove, Pattinson was completely by-passed for Hazlewood and Cummins and the end result we lost the test, and where is Pattinson now. In and out of the side, no chance of establishing form with continued match play. But after all these years still no-one including Baggers and posters on this site has ever put forward a single argument well supported with any facts contrary to what I have written. Paddles can attest to that. You make think it is rubbish but prove it? That is the beauty of Forums you can give a difference in opinion, which can make you think, I never post a comment without support. I believe that this bowler is a great bowler because I like him doesn't hold much factual basis does it. Exactly who are you and should I be impressed? Let me ask you this if Baggers posts that he measures a bowlers ability on the number of plays and misses a bowler can achieve do you see a problem with this statement? The admission that the batsmen are missing yet no wicket falls, no bowled no LBW doesn't that suggest wrong line? Or maybe it's just me. But I can back off if you wish, and just praise the best bowling attack in the world, which I can assure is just not true. Was it necessary to give everyone a life story of our forum relationship Mike. If Hazlewood warrants criticism I will accept that. But he has bowled superbly.. admittedly against not the most superior of opposition (Paddles) regardless.. he does not deserve your excessive criticism.. His figures back that up..I posted them earlier) tho they have taken a hit from these T20 like tonking sessions by Stokes and Buttler. I admire the way Josh has matured and learnt from his frailties in Ashes 2015. He has not gone looking for swing and has bowled a near impeccable 7/8mts for much of the time. All bowlers even the most accurate stray on occasions.. he is not a robot. You wont back off Mike. Come summer on our flat drop ins where Hazlewood struggles and you will be back with the ribbing and use of him as your personal punching bag.. So nothing will change. As I said your constant rubbishing of Josh is becoming boring so I will be ignoring them from now on. I'm not comming between you and mike baggers, cos I know deep down you're close which was obvious before the forum I found you both on - but Josh nailed the 2015 Ashes. He knocked it out of the park and dominated. Johnson was crap. Not Haze that series. Read Mike's post again. You miss this point. No he didnt nail 2015 mate. He bowled like the rookie he was. 4-16 @25. Tho the comms said he bowled expertly using the Lords slope. His inexperience showed up when he lost his accuracy searching for swing at Nottingham and paid the price.. rather unfairly I said at the time. Johnson was pretty ordinary that tour but it was debutant rookie that got canned. I was scathing at the time with McDermott as their bowling coach. huh? 25 is below his career average. If 25 is bad or rookie - how is Broad's 27 career and 29 this series very good? Be consistent Baggers :P No matter how much you keep banging on how useless Broad is, he has destroyed most of our early batsmen, mate. I’m getting pissed off looking at the big goose strutting around the pitch as if he owns it. He must have about 25 wickets in this series. KW I reckon he has earned the right to strut around as he likes. He has made life a nitemare for our lefties and made Warner and Harris.. specially.. look like park cricketers. Now Broad has just bowled a short pitched ball to leg, and dismisses Smith caught at leg slip for 23! At 4-85 we are gone. 2-2. Bugger. That is also Smithy's first failure. Had to happen . The man must be frazzled mentally from propping up this disgraceful batting lineup all series. Smith has been playing with the flu this entire test, he looked out of it this innings in particular.
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I’m going to miss some of these Pommy commentators like Tuffers, Aggers and Sir Geoffrey Boycott.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xPaddles I agree with your previous post, and thank's for the support, but a lot of what you are saying was back in 2015. On Hadlee who can blame him for wanting 3rd man or mid off, don't reward the batsman for getting him to do what you want him to do. But let me explain the discussion between Baggers and myself regarding Hazlewood has been for quite a few years, we've known each other for 6 or more years. I respect Baggers opinions, more so when we discuss shield cricket. But when it comes to Hazlewood he's over the top in his praise. When he came into the side back in 2014 he had been dropped from NSW after playing only 1 game against Vic when he took 3/140 in the match and Victoria won by 9 wickets. He never played any more games at shield level that year. At the same time Jason Behrendorff just demolished Qld taking 10/114. When it came to selection Hazlewood got the nod after 4 rounds of sheffield shield had been completed. Baggers said that they needed variation in the attack as Johnson and Starc were playing Behrendorff was another leftie. Fair enough, but back then I was questioning Starc's inclusion after the start he had to his test career, who wasn't. After 12 games at test level I had no problem with Hazlewood his record was impressive as Baggers will confirm (Paddles that was the 2015 era you're talking about). Then came the time of Johnson's retirement, which sort of came out of the blue, if you recall. Johnson's parting comments were that he felt that his bowling was not good enough to warrant continued selection for Australia. With a return of 3/170 who could blame him, it's wasn't but Hazlewood's return was 1/137 and Hazlewood was the opening bowler, Johnson was the first change. That got me questioning things afterall Johnson's comment were quite strange at the time, was he nudged out the door and it was a little parting shot at Starc and Hazlewood? Pattinson then came into the side for the West Indies. Now this is where Baggers coped a lot from a lot of people on the site we were on (I think it was Bigpond) especially when he posted a comment that Pattinson was taking a page out of the Hazlewood handbook on how to bowl. A lot of people were Pattinson fans and still are. Note that particular test Hazlewood took 0 wickets and Pattinson took 6 for. A lot of people objected to Baggers continued praise of Hazlewood and really gave it to him. I never said a word if you remember Baggers. I actually did feel sorry for Baggers, but he did bring it on himself at the time, and I think most posters on this site do know what i am talking about, but everyone is entitled to their opinions and as I said I do respect Baggers opinions. Since that period Baggers and I have constantly discussed Hazlewood's downward spiral, remembering Hazlewood is and has always been an opening bowler, and as an opening bowler he has to be judged as an opening bowler. As a 1st change bowler I have no objection to Hazlewood's presence how many times have I said that Baggers. But while he is opening he is preventing bowlers such as Jackson Bird, James Pattinson, even Cummins when Starc is playing from access to the new ball which is exactly what these bowlers are really good with, they are the 1st change expected to do the grunt work which their bowling styles are not suited to, there is no point in playing them. This is to the detriment of our attack. Honestly who doesn't want to see Pattinson and Cummins open the bowling? The only time we have seen that was the 1st test a test which Australia won. Even the recent 3rd test when push came to shove, Pattinson was completely by-passed for Hazlewood and Cummins and the end result we lost the test, and where is Pattinson now. In and out of the side, no chance of establishing form with continued match play. But after all these years still no-one including Baggers and posters on this site has ever put forward a single argument well supported with any facts contrary to what I have written. Paddles can attest to that. You make think it is rubbish but prove it? That is the beauty of Forums you can give a difference in opinion, which can make you think, I never post a comment without support. I believe that this bowler is a great bowler because I like him doesn't hold much factual basis does it. Exactly who are you and should I be impressed? Let me ask you this if Baggers posts that he measures a bowlers ability on the number of plays and misses a bowler can achieve do you see a problem with this statement? The admission that the batsmen are missing yet no wicket falls, no bowled no LBW doesn't that suggest wrong line? Or maybe it's just me. But I can back off if you wish, and just praise the best bowling attack in the world, which I can assure is just not true. Was it necessary to give everyone a life story of our forum relationship Mike. If Hazlewood warrants criticism I will accept that. But he has bowled superbly.. admittedly against not the most superior of opposition (Paddles) regardless.. he does not deserve your excessive criticism.. His figures back that up..I posted them earlier) tho they have taken a hit from these T20 like tonking sessions by Stokes and Buttler. I admire the way Josh has matured and learnt from his frailties in Ashes 2015. He has not gone looking for swing and has bowled a near impeccable 7/8mts for much of the time. All bowlers even the most accurate stray on occasions.. he is not a robot. You wont back off Mike. Come summer on our flat drop ins where Hazlewood struggles and you will be back with the ribbing and use of him as your personal punching bag.. So nothing will change. As I said your constant rubbishing of Josh is becoming boring so I will be ignoring them from now on. I'm not comming between you and mike baggers, cos I know deep down you're close which was obvious before the forum I found you both on - but Josh nailed the 2015 Ashes. He knocked it out of the park and dominated. Johnson was crap. Not Haze that series. Read Mike's post again. You miss this point. No he didnt nail 2015 mate. He bowled like the rookie he was. 4-16 @25. Tho the comms said he bowled expertly using the Lords slope. His inexperience showed up when he lost his accuracy searching for swing at Nottingham and paid the price.. rather unfairly I said at the time. Johnson was pretty ordinary that tour but it was debutant rookie that got canned. I was scathing at the time with McDermott as their bowling coach. huh? 25 is below his career average. If 25 is bad or rookie - how is Broad's 27 career and 29 this series very good? Be consistent Baggers :P No matter how much you keep banging on how useless Broad is, he has destroyed most of our early batsmen, mate. I’m getting pissed off looking at the big goose strutting around the pitch as if he owns it. He must have about 25 wickets in this series. KW I reckon he has earned the right to strut around as he likes. He has made life a nitemare for our lefties and made Warner and Harris.. specially.. look like park cricketers. Now Broad has just bowled a short pitched ball to leg, and dismisses Smith caught at leg slip for 23! At 4-85 we are gone. 2-2. Bugger. That is also Smithy's first failure. Had to happen . The man must be frazzled mentally from propping up this disgraceful batting lineup all series. Smith has been playing with the flu this entire test, he looked out of it this innings in particular. Makes sense. I read this somewhere too.
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+x+x+xSurprise surprise everyone. Our openers have failed...again and again and again. Atrocious performance!! I feel sorry for them! They'll be having nightmares about Broad running in to bowl to them. Bancoft, Warner, Usman and Harris, and Head to a lesser extent, are going to need a good sports psychologist to get over the pasting they've had. Now Leach has flighted one and got Labu stumped! Now Leach has flighted one and got Labu stumped!
Yes DC. I have seen Marnus move his feet to the pitch of those in the series before. He was stuck on the crease and just propped forward with little conviction. That, unless mistaken is his first score under 20. Labu has been very consistent.
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+xI’m going to miss some of these Pommy commentators like Tuffers, Aggers and Sir Geoffrey Boycott. They make me laugh. The recently knighted Sir Geoffrey Boycott, with his broad Yorkshire accent makes me laugh in particular!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xPaddles I agree with your previous post, and thank's for the support, but a lot of what you are saying was back in 2015. On Hadlee who can blame him for wanting 3rd man or mid off, don't reward the batsman for getting him to do what you want him to do. But let me explain the discussion between Baggers and myself regarding Hazlewood has been for quite a few years, we've known each other for 6 or more years. I respect Baggers opinions, more so when we discuss shield cricket. But when it comes to Hazlewood he's over the top in his praise. When he came into the side back in 2014 he had been dropped from NSW after playing only 1 game against Vic when he took 3/140 in the match and Victoria won by 9 wickets. He never played any more games at shield level that year. At the same time Jason Behrendorff just demolished Qld taking 10/114. When it came to selection Hazlewood got the nod after 4 rounds of sheffield shield had been completed. Baggers said that they needed variation in the attack as Johnson and Starc were playing Behrendorff was another leftie. Fair enough, but back then I was questioning Starc's inclusion after the start he had to his test career, who wasn't. After 12 games at test level I had no problem with Hazlewood his record was impressive as Baggers will confirm (Paddles that was the 2015 era you're talking about). Then came the time of Johnson's retirement, which sort of came out of the blue, if you recall. Johnson's parting comments were that he felt that his bowling was not good enough to warrant continued selection for Australia. With a return of 3/170 who could blame him, it's wasn't but Hazlewood's return was 1/137 and Hazlewood was the opening bowler, Johnson was the first change. That got me questioning things afterall Johnson's comment were quite strange at the time, was he nudged out the door and it was a little parting shot at Starc and Hazlewood? Pattinson then came into the side for the West Indies. Now this is where Baggers coped a lot from a lot of people on the site we were on (I think it was Bigpond) especially when he posted a comment that Pattinson was taking a page out of the Hazlewood handbook on how to bowl. A lot of people were Pattinson fans and still are. Note that particular test Hazlewood took 0 wickets and Pattinson took 6 for. A lot of people objected to Baggers continued praise of Hazlewood and really gave it to him. I never said a word if you remember Baggers. I actually did feel sorry for Baggers, but he did bring it on himself at the time, and I think most posters on this site do know what i am talking about, but everyone is entitled to their opinions and as I said I do respect Baggers opinions. Since that period Baggers and I have constantly discussed Hazlewood's downward spiral, remembering Hazlewood is and has always been an opening bowler, and as an opening bowler he has to be judged as an opening bowler. As a 1st change bowler I have no objection to Hazlewood's presence how many times have I said that Baggers. But while he is opening he is preventing bowlers such as Jackson Bird, James Pattinson, even Cummins when Starc is playing from access to the new ball which is exactly what these bowlers are really good with, they are the 1st change expected to do the grunt work which their bowling styles are not suited to, there is no point in playing them. This is to the detriment of our attack. Honestly who doesn't want to see Pattinson and Cummins open the bowling? The only time we have seen that was the 1st test a test which Australia won. Even the recent 3rd test when push came to shove, Pattinson was completely by-passed for Hazlewood and Cummins and the end result we lost the test, and where is Pattinson now. In and out of the side, no chance of establishing form with continued match play. But after all these years still no-one including Baggers and posters on this site has ever put forward a single argument well supported with any facts contrary to what I have written. Paddles can attest to that. You make think it is rubbish but prove it? That is the beauty of Forums you can give a difference in opinion, which can make you think, I never post a comment without support. I believe that this bowler is a great bowler because I like him doesn't hold much factual basis does it. Exactly who are you and should I be impressed? Let me ask you this if Baggers posts that he measures a bowlers ability on the number of plays and misses a bowler can achieve do you see a problem with this statement? The admission that the batsmen are missing yet no wicket falls, no bowled no LBW doesn't that suggest wrong line? Or maybe it's just me. But I can back off if you wish, and just praise the best bowling attack in the world, which I can assure is just not true. Was it necessary to give everyone a life story of our forum relationship Mike. If Hazlewood warrants criticism I will accept that. But he has bowled superbly.. admittedly against not the most superior of opposition (Paddles) regardless.. he does not deserve your excessive criticism.. His figures back that up..I posted them earlier) tho they have taken a hit from these T20 like tonking sessions by Stokes and Buttler. I admire the way Josh has matured and learnt from his frailties in Ashes 2015. He has not gone looking for swing and has bowled a near impeccable 7/8mts for much of the time. All bowlers even the most accurate stray on occasions.. he is not a robot. You wont back off Mike. Come summer on our flat drop ins where Hazlewood struggles and you will be back with the ribbing and use of him as your personal punching bag.. So nothing will change. As I said your constant rubbishing of Josh is becoming boring so I will be ignoring them from now on. I'm not comming between you and mike baggers, cos I know deep down you're close which was obvious before the forum I found you both on - but Josh nailed the 2015 Ashes. He knocked it out of the park and dominated. Johnson was crap. Not Haze that series. Read Mike's post again. You miss this point. No he didnt nail 2015 mate. He bowled like the rookie he was. 4-16 @25. Tho the comms said he bowled expertly using the Lords slope. His inexperience showed up when he lost his accuracy searching for swing at Nottingham and paid the price.. rather unfairly I said at the time. Johnson was pretty ordinary that tour but it was debutant rookie that got canned. I was scathing at the time with McDermott as their bowling coach. huh? 25 is below his career average. If 25 is bad or rookie - how is Broad's 27 career and 29 this series very good? Be consistent Baggers :P No matter how much you keep banging on how useless Broad is, he has destroyed most of our early batsmen, mate. I’m getting pissed off looking at the big goose strutting around the pitch as if he owns it. He must have about 25 wickets in this series. KW I reckon he has earned the right to strut around as he likes. He has made life a nitemare for our lefties and made Warner and Harris.. specially.. look like park cricketers. Now Broad has just bowled a short pitched ball to leg, and dismisses Smith caught at leg slip for 23! At 4-85 we are gone. 2-2. Bugger. That is also Smithy's first failure. Had to happen . The man must be frazzled mentally from propping up this disgraceful batting lineup all series. Smith has been playing with the flu this entire test, he looked out of it this innings in particular. Makes sense. I read this somewhere too. I've read some lurgy has gone through the whole team.
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What an amazing series for Smith. Despite the concussion and last test flu he still made 774 runs at 110. Both the fifth highest total runs and fifth highest average in Ashes series but factoring in how important those runs were its one of the greatest ashes series. Wonder what he could have done without the set backs. A shame too he just missed the 800 mark
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+xWhat an amazing series for Smith. Despite the concussion and last test flu he still made 774 runs at 110. Both the fifth highest total runs and fifth highest average in Ashes series but factoring in how important those runs were its one of the greatest ashes series. Wonder what he could have done without the set backs. A shame too he just missed the 800 mark Smith has been fantastic.
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+xWhat an amazing series for Smith. Despite the concussion and last test flu he still made 774 runs at 110. Both the fifth highest total runs and fifth highest average in Ashes series but factoring in how important those runs were its one of the greatest ashes series. Wonder what he could have done without the set backs. A shame too he just missed the 800 mark I don't think Smith would worry too much about not reaching 800, RK. I'm not sure how often any other batters have exceeded 774 runs at 110 average over 4 tests? Retaining The Ashe in his return series after suspension would be a good feeling too.
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A good 50 under pressure from Wade, the former student at a school where I taught.
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+xI go to the fridge to get a frothy, being so pissed off with Broad for putting the Poms in the box seat to win and making it 2-2, and Smith and Lab have taken the score to 2-49! A good scrapping half ton by Wade.
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+xA good 50 under pressure from Wade, the former student at a school where I taught. Really DC. What school mate?
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+x+xA good 50 under pressure from Wade, the former student at a school where I taught. Really DC. What school mate? He was a student. I didn't teach him though. Lauderdale Primary School was the school. Ditto Paine. I bowled to Paine in the playground. Now Marsh is out, Paine and Wade will bat together after both attending the same school where I taught when they were students there. Wade's 50 has been made off only 65 balls.
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+x+xI go to the fridge to get a frothy, being so pissed off with Broad for putting the Poms in the box seat to win and making it 2-2, and Smith and Lab have taken the score to 2-49! A good scrapping half ton by Wade. A strike rate of over 70 is a very fast scoring rate.
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+x+xA good 50 under pressure from Wade, the former student at a school where I taught. Really DC. What school mate? Oh Marsh.. too soft. Just worked ball off his pads into the short legs hands. He needs to show more intent against spin if he gets a chance this summer. A bit too hesitant.
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+x+x+xA good 50 under pressure from Wade, the former student at a school where I taught. Really DC. What school mate? Oh Marsh.. too soft. Just worked ball off his pads into the short legs hands. He needs to show more intent against spin if he gets a chance this summer. A bit too hesitant. Has Marsh earned a cap for the summer. 17 and 23 with the bat to go with his 7 wickets.
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+x+x+x+xA good 50 under pressure from Wade, the former student at a school where I taught. Really DC. What school mate? Oh Marsh.. too soft. Just worked ball off his pads into the short legs hands. He needs to show more intent against spin if he gets a chance this summer. A bit too hesitant. Has Marsh earned a cap for the summer. 17 and 23 with the bat to go with his 7 wickets. Hitting the sack. I say we will get 240.
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if wade gets a century that will be at least one high to finish on
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+xThey've just posted top wicket takers for the series. Cummins 29 Archer, Broad 22. Lyon, Hazlewood 20. It is hard to believe some bozo reckons Hazlewood is a dud when the bloke takes 20 wickets in 3 tests. He has had a tremendous series. Almost 7 wickets per test is pretty damn good. By my reckoning, Lyon took 9 wickets in the first two innings of the series and 4 in the last. This is 13 wickets in 3 innings. For the other 7 innings he has only taken 7 wickets. 20 for the series is a good haul at an average of 4 wickets per test for the GOAT. Cummins has been really good. 29 wickets means nearly 6 wickets per test.
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+x+x+x+x+xA good 50 under pressure from Wade, the former student at a school where I taught. Really DC. What school mate? Oh Marsh.. too soft. Just worked ball off his pads into the short legs hands. He needs to show more intent against spin if he gets a chance this summer. A bit too hesitant. Has Marsh earned a cap for the summer. 17 and 23 with the bat to go with his 7 wickets. Hitting the sack. I say we will get 240. Sweet dreams!
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+xif wade gets a century that will be at least one high to finish on I think Wade has one 100, two 30s and this 60 in this Ashes series. Probably enough to be reselected at home given the awful performances of all other top six batters outside Smith and Labu.
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+x+xWhen is someone going to drum into the heads of blokes not to attempt to take close in catches with the fingers facing up. Just saw Harris spilling of Denly off that Hazlewood peach . A shocker. Schoolboy stuff. His average had now dropped to a mediocre @26. I dont wanna see Harris within cooee of the Test side this summer. We shud have the Poms 1-9 with Root now at the crease and the Dukes cherry still nice and hard. Hazlewood has once again shown his true colours. He has a one off good test where he took 9/115, a test we lost because Stokes took the long handle to him and Cummins, putting the rubbish out for collection. The other 3 tests 11/322 that's basically an average of 30 in a series where numerous bowlers are around 20. Before you argue that you have to look at everything Cummins has an overall average for the series of 20. a best match figures of 7/103 so the other tests he took 21/454 average 21.5. Jofra Archer av 17.5 best bowling of 8/85 other tests 14/295 average 21. Quality bowlers remain consistent across all tests, and aren't one show ponies. Sure they can have a one off bad test, all bowlers do, but surely the reverse of multiple bad tests with an occasional good one is not a reason for continued selection, especially when you lose the particular test where that good bowling effort occurred. Look at India and South Africa recent series if you want more proof. Cummins too has had dropped catches off him as well. But only Lyon has a bowled in this innings, maybe the bowlers should attack the stumps more and stop relying on poor batting shots for the catches. Mike, you can't genuinely expect to be taken seriously with your views on Hazlewood can you? The series leading wicket takers have been released and H has taken 20 wickets in 3 Tests! This is an amazing return of nearly 7 wickets per Test! Don get me wrong I like all the content in your posts, but your opinion that H is a poor bowler is ludicrous.
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Paine is getting a few boundaries after a leg glance for 4 and a few cover drives that hit the boundary.
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