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+xGood to see expectations are falling in line with attendances. This was a mere 4 years ago (before the WSW stadium move) Melbourne Victory 22,008 Western Sydney Wanderers 17,746 Sydney FC 16,001 Brisbane Roar 13,892 Melbourne City 10,593 Perth Glory 10,533 Adelaide United 9,565 Newcastle Jets 8,645 Central Coast Mariners 7,395 Wellington Phoenix 6,211 That year was Wanderers first season away from Parramatta and included the 60k attendance at the derby at ANZ.
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+xGood to see expectations are falling in line with attendances. This was a mere 4 years ago (before the WSW stadium move) Melbourne Victory 22,008 Western Sydney Wanderers 17,746 Sydney FC 16,001 Brisbane Roar 13,892 Melbourne City 10,593 Perth Glory 10,533 Adelaide United 9,565 Newcastle Jets 8,645 Central Coast Mariners 7,395 Wellington Phoenix 6,211 by now everybody understands we have gone backwards.
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bettega
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You're going to see many ups and downs across the course of many seasons.
You can't expect to go in one direction in perpetuity!
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+xYou're going to see many ups and downs across the course of many seasons. You can't expect to go in one direction in perpetuity! And yet we are going in one direction. Downwards. And have been for 5 consecutive seasons
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bettega
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+x+xYou're going to see many ups and downs across the course of many seasons. You can't expect to go in one direction in perpetuity! And yet we are going in one direction. Downwards. And have been for 5 consecutive seasons from hereon in, the only way is up!
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Gyfox
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If all games involving Western United are eliminated from the count the average this season so far would be 10,211 compared to 10,584 last season after the same number of games. While the direction is strongly downward 60% of the drop can be attributed to the addition of Western United to the competition.
I wouldn't be surprised if Macarthur also had a downward effect on average attendance next season but hopefully nowhere near as large.
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+xIf all games involving Western United are eliminated from the count the average this season so far would be 10,211 compared to 10,584 last season after the same number of games. While the direction is strongly downward 60% of the drop can be attributed to the addition of Western United to the competition. I wouldn't be surprised if Macarthur also had a downward effect on average attendance next season but hopefully nowhere near as large. AFL crowds dropped by about 5,500 in 2 years when they expanded (37,000 in 2010 to 31,500 in 2012). they still haven't reached 37,000 7 years later (they averaged 35,000 in 2019).
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Interestingly Brisbane Roar have sold out and got larger attendances at Dolphin Stadium than some of the games they have had at Suncorp. Dolphin which is a 5th of the size of Suncorp is obviously more attractive for fans to attend games. If it was 15k to 20k and positioned in the middle of the city instead of the outer northern suburbs, I reckon it would of sold out. Smaller boutique stadiums are the future for crowds in a league. People want to go to packed stadiums. It's simple.
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+xThey are not awful. Most might be down on previous highs, but they are not awful. Three clubs are over 12k, and the next 5 clubs are over 8k. That's fine, nothing wrong with that. As we expand, we'll get more clubs averaging around 5k to 7k, that's normal. I did over react a bit. They are poor, not awful. There's no doubt that if Victory and Wanderers were kicking arse the average would look different.
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bettega
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+x+xIf all games involving Western United are eliminated from the count the average this season so far would be 10,211 compared to 10,584 last season after the same number of games. While the direction is strongly downward 60% of the drop can be attributed to the addition of Western United to the competition. I wouldn't be surprised if Macarthur also had a downward effect on average attendance next season but hopefully nowhere near as large. AFL crowds dropped by about 5,500 in 2 years when they expanded (37,000 in 2010 to 31,500 in 2012). they still haven't reached 37,000 7 years later (they averaged 35,000 in 2019). This is an important point for us to keep in mind. Our all time average attendance record was when we only had 8 clubs, and four games per weekend. We're now up to 11 clubs, soon to be 12 clubs, that will be 6 games per week, and in the near future, we will be up to 14 clubs and 7 games per week. It's a near impossibility that we will ever reach those highs from the early seasons when there were only 8 clubs. Expansion not only means more games per round, but it means more clubs which are starting from scratch, and they will invariably have below average attendances. We just have to accept that's the case. We'll probably be sitting in the 9k to 10k range, across the whole league, for years to come. And that's NOT a problem!
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Gyfox
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+x+xThey are not awful. Most might be down on previous highs, but they are not awful. Three clubs are over 12k, and the next 5 clubs are over 8k. That's fine, nothing wrong with that. As we expand, we'll get more clubs averaging around 5k to 7k, that's normal. I did over react a bit. They are poor, not awful. There's no doubt that if Victory and Wanderers were kicking arse the average would look different. Interestingly Wanderers attendance is up by about 4,400 on last year due to moving to Bankwest Stadium. Hopefully their attendance will go up if they put a good squad together next season.
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Gyfox
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+x+x+xIf all games involving Western United are eliminated from the count the average this season so far would be 10,211 compared to 10,584 last season after the same number of games. While the direction is strongly downward 60% of the drop can be attributed to the addition of Western United to the competition. I wouldn't be surprised if Macarthur also had a downward effect on average attendance next season but hopefully nowhere near as large. AFL crowds dropped by about 5,500 in 2 years when they expanded (37,000 in 2010 to 31,500 in 2012). they still haven't reached 37,000 7 years later (they averaged 35,000 in 2019). This is an important point for us to keep in mind. Our all time average attendance record was when we only had 8 clubs, and four games per weekend. We're now up to 11 clubs, soon to be 12 clubs, that will be 6 games per week, and in the near future, we will be up to 14 clubs and 7 games per week. It's a near impossibility that we will ever reach those highs from the early seasons when there were only 8 clubs. Expansion not only means more games per round, but it means more clubs which are starting from scratch, and they will invariably have below average attendances. We just have to accept that's the case. We'll probably be sitting in the 9k to 10k range, across the whole league, for years to come. And that's NOT a problem! This is the average attendance the clubs are getting in South Korea.
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+x+x+x+xIf all games involving Western United are eliminated from the count the average this season so far would be 10,211 compared to 10,584 last season after the same number of games. While the direction is strongly downward 60% of the drop can be attributed to the addition of Western United to the competition. I wouldn't be surprised if Macarthur also had a downward effect on average attendance next season but hopefully nowhere near as large. AFL crowds dropped by about 5,500 in 2 years when they expanded (37,000 in 2010 to 31,500 in 2012). they still haven't reached 37,000 7 years later (they averaged 35,000 in 2019). This is an important point for us to keep in mind. Our all time average attendance record was when we only had 8 clubs, and four games per weekend. We're now up to 11 clubs, soon to be 12 clubs, that will be 6 games per week, and in the near future, we will be up to 14 clubs and 7 games per week. It's a near impossibility that we will ever reach those highs from the early seasons when there were only 8 clubs. Expansion not only means more games per round, but it means more clubs which are starting from scratch, and they will invariably have below average attendances. We just have to accept that's the case. We'll probably be sitting in the 9k to 10k range, across the whole league, for years to come. And that's NOT a problem! This is the average attendance the clubs are getting in South Korea.
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Do you think South Korea has as many arsehats as we do that constantly death ride the league? Our worst averaging team (CCM) would be siting in 9th on that table.
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Need to stop looking at average crowds and ratings as the measure of success and start looking at the players we develop and the success of our teams on the world stage.
Beaten by Eldar
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+x+x+x+x+xIf all games involving Western United are eliminated from the count the average this season so far would be 10,211 compared to 10,584 last season after the same number of games. While the direction is strongly downward 60% of the drop can be attributed to the addition of Western United to the competition. I wouldn't be surprised if Macarthur also had a downward effect on average attendance next season but hopefully nowhere near as large. AFL crowds dropped by about 5,500 in 2 years when they expanded (37,000 in 2010 to 31,500 in 2012). they still haven't reached 37,000 7 years later (they averaged 35,000 in 2019). This is an important point for us to keep in mind. Our all time average attendance record was when we only had 8 clubs, and four games per weekend. We're now up to 11 clubs, soon to be 12 clubs, that will be 6 games per week, and in the near future, we will be up to 14 clubs and 7 games per week. It's a near impossibility that we will ever reach those highs from the early seasons when there were only 8 clubs. Expansion not only means more games per round, but it means more clubs which are starting from scratch, and they will invariably have below average attendances. We just have to accept that's the case. We'll probably be sitting in the 9k to 10k range, across the whole league, for years to come. And that's NOT a problem! This is the average attendance the clubs are getting in South Korea.
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Do you think South Korea has as many arsehats as we do that constantly death ride the league? Our worst averaging team (CCM) would be siting in 9th on that table. The market context is entirely different. They aren't competing with cricket, nrl and AFL for TV money.
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+x+x+xIf all games involving Western United are eliminated from the count the average this season so far would be 10,211 compared to 10,584 last season after the same number of games. While the direction is strongly downward 60% of the drop can be attributed to the addition of Western United to the competition. I wouldn't be surprised if Macarthur also had a downward effect on average attendance next season but hopefully nowhere near as large. AFL crowds dropped by about 5,500 in 2 years when they expanded (37,000 in 2010 to 31,500 in 2012). they still haven't reached 37,000 7 years later (they averaged 35,000 in 2019). This is an important point for us to keep in mind. Our all time average attendance record was when we only had 8 clubs, and four games per weekend. We're now up to 11 clubs, soon to be 12 clubs, that will be 6 games per week, and in the near future, we will be up to 14 clubs and 7 games per week. It's a near impossibility that we will ever reach those highs from the early seasons when there were only 8 clubs. Expansion not only means more games per round, but it means more clubs which are starting from scratch, and they will invariably have below average attendances. We just have to accept that's the case. We'll probably be sitting in the 9k to 10k range, across the whole league, for years to come. And that's NOT a problem! Attendances aren't the issue anyway. The money necessary for a professional league comes from the 📺 audience.
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bettega
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+x+x+x+xIf all games involving Western United are eliminated from the count the average this season so far would be 10,211 compared to 10,584 last season after the same number of games. While the direction is strongly downward 60% of the drop can be attributed to the addition of Western United to the competition. I wouldn't be surprised if Macarthur also had a downward effect on average attendance next season but hopefully nowhere near as large. AFL crowds dropped by about 5,500 in 2 years when they expanded (37,000 in 2010 to 31,500 in 2012). they still haven't reached 37,000 7 years later (they averaged 35,000 in 2019). This is an important point for us to keep in mind. Our all time average attendance record was when we only had 8 clubs, and four games per weekend. We're now up to 11 clubs, soon to be 12 clubs, that will be 6 games per week, and in the near future, we will be up to 14 clubs and 7 games per week. It's a near impossibility that we will ever reach those highs from the early seasons when there were only 8 clubs. Expansion not only means more games per round, but it means more clubs which are starting from scratch, and they will invariably have below average attendances. We just have to accept that's the case. We'll probably be sitting in the 9k to 10k range, across the whole league, for years to come. And that's NOT a problem! Attendances aren't the issue anyway. The money necessary for a professional league comes from the 📺 audience. True, and for the moment, we are making adequate TV money. We'll see in a couple of years whether we maintain it or not.
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Gyfox
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIf all games involving Western United are eliminated from the count the average this season so far would be 10,211 compared to 10,584 last season after the same number of games. While the direction is strongly downward 60% of the drop can be attributed to the addition of Western United to the competition. I wouldn't be surprised if Macarthur also had a downward effect on average attendance next season but hopefully nowhere near as large. AFL crowds dropped by about 5,500 in 2 years when they expanded (37,000 in 2010 to 31,500 in 2012). they still haven't reached 37,000 7 years later (they averaged 35,000 in 2019). This is an important point for us to keep in mind. Our all time average attendance record was when we only had 8 clubs, and four games per weekend. We're now up to 11 clubs, soon to be 12 clubs, that will be 6 games per week, and in the near future, we will be up to 14 clubs and 7 games per week. It's a near impossibility that we will ever reach those highs from the early seasons when there were only 8 clubs. Expansion not only means more games per round, but it means more clubs which are starting from scratch, and they will invariably have below average attendances. We just have to accept that's the case. We'll probably be sitting in the 9k to 10k range, across the whole league, for years to come. And that's NOT a problem! This is the average attendance the clubs are getting in South Korea.
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Do you think South Korea has as many arsehats as we do that constantly death ride the league? Our worst averaging team (CCM) would be siting in 9th on that table. The market context is entirely different. They aren't competing with cricket, nrl and AFL for TV money. They televise professional baseball which is the biggest sport there, professional basketball which was their biggest sport, and professional volleyball as well as numerous other sports. Football has a lot of competition there.
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Gyfox
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+x+x+x+xIf all games involving Western United are eliminated from the count the average this season so far would be 10,211 compared to 10,584 last season after the same number of games. While the direction is strongly downward 60% of the drop can be attributed to the addition of Western United to the competition. I wouldn't be surprised if Macarthur also had a downward effect on average attendance next season but hopefully nowhere near as large. AFL crowds dropped by about 5,500 in 2 years when they expanded (37,000 in 2010 to 31,500 in 2012). they still haven't reached 37,000 7 years later (they averaged 35,000 in 2019). This is an important point for us to keep in mind. Our all time average attendance record was when we only had 8 clubs, and four games per weekend. We're now up to 11 clubs, soon to be 12 clubs, that will be 6 games per week, and in the near future, we will be up to 14 clubs and 7 games per week. It's a near impossibility that we will ever reach those highs from the early seasons when there were only 8 clubs. Expansion not only means more games per round, but it means more clubs which are starting from scratch, and they will invariably have below average attendances. We just have to accept that's the case. We'll probably be sitting in the 9k to 10k range, across the whole league, for years to come. And that's NOT a problem! Attendances aren't the issue anyway. The money necessary for a professional league comes from the 📺 audience. Broadcast rights for the A-League are around $45m, and with central sponsorship, club sponsorship and membership and gate takings the total is around $120-$130m pa before the owners put in another $20m to pay the bills. Broadcast rights may be dominant in other sports in Australia but for the A-League they are a very important contributor to a much larger pie.
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it's boring playing the same team three times a season hopefully 12 teams fixes that
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+xit's boring playing the same team three times a season hopefully 12 teams fixes that Oh man.
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Brisbane -Central Coast 8k
Sydney – Perth Glory 10k
City – Western Sydney 7k
Nix – Victory 7k
Adelaide – Newcastle 6k
I Think coronavirus will start affecting the crowd
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Roar are expecting their lowest ever A-League crowd for a game at Suncorp Stadium (sub 5k).
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+xRoar are expecting their lowest ever A-League crowd for a game at Suncorp Stadium (sub 5k). The news that the Hanks have been spreading Corvid-19 far and wide on the Gold Coast won't help.
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Waz
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+x+xRoar are expecting their lowest ever A-League crowd for a game at Suncorp Stadium (sub 5k). The news that the Hanks have been spreading Corvid-19 far and wide on the Gold Coast won't help. Ha. No it won’t lol
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As predicted, not many turned up last night, but probably ended up a bit better than I was exepcting:
Brisbane Football Review@BNEFootball · Crowd | 4,121 here at Suncorp Stadium1-0 #ALeague #BRIvCCM
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4,099 SFC v Glory.
Close the doors.
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They may as well cancel the season really,
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2.2k at City v WSW
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+xThey may as well cancel the season really, They don't have to cancel the season, but they could do away with finals. Pretty pointless playing finals if you're getting zero ticketing revenue. As soon as SFC has won the premiership, they could call it quits there and then.
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