Who said this is Flores' "fault"? Nobodies to blame. He wants more money, we can't afford him. And? It's not going to stop me from pouring scorn on Flores. He knows how we all feel about Victory. He is a professional so he will probably just deal with it. In a few years time, he'll be retired, made mountans of cash and will be forgotten. But until then, us fans will remind him who gave him the opportunity in the first place and who he is now in bed with.



Where and what did the club say that has painted Flores in a bad light?

I've read the club's most recent statement, i can't see anything wrong with it, so you must be referring to something else...

Proven my point perfectly - focus on the statement to avoid the real issue...

Played like fools

Anyone have any idea what the expecting date is for the team song or the candidates?

Real issue? The fact he proclaimed his love for Adelaide, the city, the club, the fans, the life he had here, and then sign for our biggest rivals? If you have read our posts, none of us would have cared if he had signed for any other club, even any other A-League club, but Flores clearly doesn't understand (or has chosen to ignore) how much animosity we have for our crossborder rivals. To me, he has no integrity whatsoever, and this move has just proven it not only to us, but the rest of the A-League too.

Moreca$h Flore$ ;)

I can't really blame the guy for chasing the money, that's what you do as a professional footballer. But as others have said, if you make a decision as a professional you cop the criticism as a professional. I respect what he did for the club while he was here, but by signing for Victory he goes against all that he said before about his connection with the fans of Adelaide and has knowingly disrespected those same fans. Backlash, warranted or otherwise, is to be expected and it's simply something he'll have to put up with.

Regarding the club's efforts to sign him, I don't think any blame can seriously be attached really. As they've explained, he was asking far too much for a single player, even as a marquee; if it was a case of living beyond our means by signing him, I doubt any fan would want to put the signing of a single player ahead of the financial security of the club.

tbh i feel for you red fans. when Hernandez was rumored to join you guys it was also tough to come to terms with.

but to say he all about the money is implying that YOUR NOT.
simple fact is were ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.

There is no club loyalty in modern football. I think when people write "Flore$" and so on they give the wrong impression (the one you eluded to), but in reality the real reason we're disappointed is the one you can probably work out for yourself, i.e. about how he confessed his so-called love for the club and the city, etc and then signed for our biggest rivals. The "Flore$" term is probably just simply something people are using to vent their frustrations with.

I have no idea what you're on about.

All i'm hearing from you is complaining about how United is run, yet you offer no substance to your claims, other than "stop being tight with money".

Exactly. There is LITTLE club loyalty amongst players.

However there is MUCH club loyalty amongst supporters.

As long as these 2 entities continue to behave in these 2 different ways, then these reactions will live on. It's just how it is.

Well put. Makes us appreciate how much it means to the supporters to have players like Cassio here, Archie at MV and so on.

I don't buy the defense about him going for more money.

Yes in nearly all professions people will go for the biggest paycheck they can get (relative to terms of course). However this is one thing I can't stand about footballers. In my honest opinion as a footballer one should acknowledge that what they do and where they go with their job can effect alot of peoples emotions in good and bad ways. Hence if one is to keep their nose clean and avoid backlashes like what has been witnessed today, then there should be certain moralities and thought processes put behind their professional decisions.

In this case, if his mind was truly in it for the money as he has now revealed, then he should have never preached in the manner he did in Adelaide. I spoke to a devastated friend earlier whom said "One of the saddest days of my life what a dirty liar, he out right said to me he would never go to victory.". I too spoke to him personally about staying (back last year) and he preached his love for the place. He inspired so many people while in Adelaide and made so many fantastic promises and statements, which he should never ever have made if his heart was not truly loyal to our club.

Some footballers choose to be loyal to clubs, some follow money like in other professions and some are just looking for a break. But what ever choices a footballer make they should always consider the emotional ramifications that their decisions can have on fans, that is all apart of being in the public eye. He has chosen to turn his back on every comment and promise he made while in Adelaide by going to the absolute worst case scenario club knowing full well the reactions it would receive (if he didn't he is daft). For this reason I have absolutely no sympathy for the abuse, etc that he receives, he has taken that step as a professional footballer and needs to face the music.

+1 he speaks out of his ass. And remember it people when he comes out with his sob story of why he signed for victory.

haha i know i know... i'm waiting for it too. He'll probably record some YouTube video holding his guitar and romantically serenading the AU fans into believing his story
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From what ive read and heard in January Flores was told he could look for another club which he did. At that time Adelaide united was basically noway we have our team marques no room for Flores.

Melbourne come along and said we would like you Flores if you want to come he said yes.


the deal was made up months ago and just signed off today.


could of Flores gave Adelaide more time during the transfer window to sort it out yes but Melbourne might not of waited then and he could of been stranded with a good deal down the drain.


the problem united fans have is. If if was true and he made the deal back in January then all this united talk of fan love and wanting to come back to Adelaide was all lies and backstabbing.

I would've been pissed if we HAD signed him by dismantling the team and paying more than he's worth. Remember he had one good season, didn't set the world on fire before hand and did nothing at one of the bottom clubs in China. If we could've signed him for a reasonable wage great but for what he wanted, hell no.

There are players as good out there who won't cost as much. We do need a creative AM and there a hundreds without clubs now who would be equally as good as Flores.

This.
It is simple economics.
- MF only has a finite time with which to earn money as a footballer.
- AU couldn't match his needs with an acceptable offer. MF talked about MV even when he was in a Red shirt as his original bargaining tool for a better contract. - mortgaging the farm for one player is daft...what if got injured first game? then we'd be at the clubs throat for doing another stupid Coolen-like deal.
- Melbourne as a city is 3-4 times bigger than Adelaide
- MelbVC gets many more fans through the gate than we do.
- The pool from which to gain corporate support is obviously deeper in a bigger city.
= MVC has more money than AU to spend on nice-to-have baubles like marquee players.
....Next time some w@nker suggests the best thing for the HAL would be getting rid of the Salary cap and roster limits. Think of how you feel right now. It would have been a much worse feeling if MF had gone direct from AU to MV (think Sol Campbell or Louis Figo) Imagine SFC and MVC doing this every off season to every club in the HAL. That's how it works in Europe(the supposed holy grail of football) The few clubs from bigger cities with more money hoover up the better players and dominate their leagues.
As it stands now even with Flores AUFC 'could' still beat MVC over 90 minutes if we play well as a team - football is a funny old game/business.

Edited by vanbasten88: 5/7/2012 05:36:11 AM

Well AU has no less than three chances to prove this, and I say this with relish all the way from Moscow that I can't wait to be there in person for every clash!

It is nice to see so much sense :)

To change the topic completely. I found this Q&A on Adelaide Reds quite good.


Hear these claims a lot about how we train softly here but it's good to get a well informed and structured answer to why we do things the way we do here.

This.
Those of my vintage may remember Gab Batistuta moving from River Plate > Boca, or Figo moving from Barca > Real Madrid, or Sol Campbell moving from Spurs > Arsenal.
It happens, but the club still goes on. We United fans just have to move on and support the club, and who nows we may pick up a 19yo player who's just as good, or
JB-D may surprise us all.

Crystal ball as with all future stuff.
Let Flores go and scream for the Reds.

Edited by redcup: 5/7/2012 03:11:28 PM

To change the subject away from a certain signing.

Who is going to play on the left of midfield if Ramsay is not there?

Vidosic can, but I rather us go and sign a pacey left-footer just in case.

2 spots left. Where are our priorities? Personally, I'd rather they signed no one else and kept those positions free until January if there's nothing on offer.

A solution to Ramsay being out (injury or suspension, not if he's bought by a club), Golec at LB and Cassio in LM. Not ideal but OK to fill a gap for a game or 2.

Yes, that is the solution I was thinking but another left midfield type of player would be good.

As the shitstorm is starting to settle, I'm getting more and more excited about the ACL. We're in the freaking QUARTER FINALS!

I think we all forgot about Teeboy :shock: Obviously another option but he's very young.

The more I think about it, we don't really need anyone. If we are to get another player, an AM that can make passes to play in Dario and Iain would enhance the team. Use the rest of the cap for one decent visa player.

A pacy AM that is both-footed and plays left or right or false nine. :D

It's good to dream.

He should also be able to hold up the ball :d

That or Iniesta, let's get him. Money isn't an issue according to some once Serge finds a new home we can get him on loan. He played too many minutes last year and he can "rest" here.

How about you try the sly old trick on Fifa 12. Loan the bloke in put the future fee upwards of 100 million in and don't buy him at the end of the deal.

Or we could use the Football Manager Editor to up our turnover and cherry pick the best players from the Spanish National Team + Messi and put them all on 10 year contracts and make them all very happy to earn $10k a month... :d

Did that once (kept Vidosic and Cassio), unsurprisingly went unbeaten for 2 seasons. Won the ACL and the Club World Cup. :d