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RedsUnited wrote:On a completely different topic, Pohang defeated CAF champions Mazembe last night with two strikes from Denilson. Let's hope we get good form going into the ACL, and take points from the Chinese and Japanese clubs, and maybe hold off Pohang as much as we can. Would have been nice if we could have poached denilson from pohang
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redcup wrote: I just hope he get's away with it this week 'cause he does seem to be trying.
YEAH!! now for the next nine games. Well in Viddie!! Pity Marrone's transfer can't be reversed. Did anyone see Pantelis having a little whinge on the news last night? Edited by REDCUP: 13/12/2009 12:45:55 PM
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redcup wrote:redcup wrote: I just hope he get's away with it this week 'cause he does seem to be trying.
YEAH!! now for the next nine games. Well in Viddie!! Pity Marrone's transfer can't be reversed. Did anyone see Pantelis having a little whinge on the news last night? Edited by REDCUP: 13/12/2009 12:45:55 PM No i didn't... what did he say?
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RedEyeRob wrote:redcup wrote:redcup wrote: I just hope he get's away with it this week 'cause he does seem to be trying.
YEAH!! now for the next nine games. Well in Viddie!! Pity Marrone's transfer can't be reversed. Did anyone see Pantelis having a little whinge on the news last night? Edited by REDCUP: 13/12/2009 12:45:55 PM No i didn't... what did he say? He said he couldn't see why he'd been left out, he seemed quite miffed as he is vice-captain after all!! But to be fair to the man he did say all the stock standard things like - " I'll have to work harder at training and win my spot back "Hopefully he means it and from now actually puts in and doesn't regard being VC a ticket to an automatic starting berth.
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Or... we leave him out completely and delist him at the end of the season. Pantelis and Hughes should never feature in another Adelaide United game, especially when we have players like Barbiero and Leckie to play in those positions. Heck, even if Sarkies is leaving, he can play better than they have and ever will in those positions.
Oh Marrone... your performance last night will make your departure even harder for us Adelaide United supporters. I was looking forward to your development here as one of our permanent defenders. And surprisingly, a 3-man backline did us wonders. Fyfe was surprisingly good and Mullen was solid for most the match. Having Alemao as a mobile right-mid was good too as was Cassio on the left.
Barbiero showed spirit for the whole match and his ventures forward looked dangerous. Leckie was even better - his vision and patience was top-notch. Like what loki said in the match thread, he is what Dodd should be. I am losing faith in Dodd, to be honest. His pace is good when he gives a damn, but unfortunately that's not the full 90 minutes.
Eugene was bloody fantastic again. I don't think I'm overexaggerating when I say he single handedly kept us in the game.
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DO we know if it was Michael's desision to leave - if it was theres nothing we can do about it
I loved the changes that were made and this can be our turing point - one thing I will say I would love to see Monterosso start but I get why we would rather ease youngersters into the game, especially strikers
to me I think id still waant Robbie and Lucas to be in the team but they now finally see that that have to work for it which is good thing
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King Billy
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UnitedGal wrote:DO we know if it was Michael's desision to leave - if it was theres nothing we can do about it
I loved the changes that were made and this can be our turing point - one thing I will say I would love to see Monterosso start but I get why we would rather ease youngersters into the game, especially strikers
to me I think id still waant Robbie and Lucas to be in the team but they now finally see that that have to work for it which is good thing Personally, I would prefer to see them in an opposition team
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RedEyeRob
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King Billy wrote:UnitedGal wrote:DO we know if it was Michael's desision to leave - if it was theres nothing we can do about it
I loved the changes that were made and this can be our turing point - one thing I will say I would love to see Monterosso start but I get why we would rather ease youngersters into the game, especially strikers
to me I think id still waant Robbie and Lucas to be in the team but they now finally see that that have to work for it which is good thing Personally, I would prefer to see them in an opposition team lol same here.
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I agree with keeping Shin1 in the team, but Pants... nah, he can get delisted - was a great player and servant of the club, but he is no longer at the level we need. With regard to Marrone, we offered him a contract - he chose the NQF one instead, he has said that he is looking to move out of his comfort zone (it is a bit to easy here for him) and NQF gives him a safe option to do so (unlike trying his hand overseas, sensible move). I said on Stephen's blog that we should play the kids, good to see them get a run :)
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my previous posts state exactly what i think of Marrone and i'm shattered he's leaving. But should we really play him now?
There's 2 arguments to be made:
1) He is our best (IMO) Right Back Defender and has such a creative spark to take on players. His inclusion in our team makes us better at a time when we need better players to dig us out of the hole we're in.
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2) He has signed for another club. Absolutely no point playing him. Traitor! Judas! Give the spot to someone else.
My mind says "play him", but the heart says "forget about him".
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After Saturday....PLAY HIM.
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http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,26480699-5006373,00.html"United assistant boss Phil Stubbins said he did not want to discuss why South Australian-born Marrone would wear a green shirt for the Queensland side next season.
Marrone will join three other former Reds South Australians Osama Malik, Fred Agius and Jason Spagnuolo in Townsville.
"I don't really want to discuss and go on about next year," Stubbins said yesterday.
"We all know the salary cap's in place and everything else and we've got to shuffle the pack.
"On last night's performance he's looking like it's a loss for us"It was a loss well before Saturday night's game, Phil.
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I would say play him as well. In all the games that he has played for us, he's provided us some stability and speed at the back. Pairing him up with Mullen and Fyfe was actually an interesting concept when I saw that change made, but it paid off.
Why don't we play attacking formations like this back here at Hindmarsh?
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Taken from the Adelaide Reds forum, take from it what you will:
Prospective Adelaide United owner Alan Young has revealed the club’s future will be decided by March 31 next year and hinges on a move to Adelaide Oval.
Young’s consortium of 20-stakeholders must commit to a new Reds ownership structure by the end of February to buy back the club licence from Football Federation Australia.
United, says Young, will not survive playing a majority of fixtures at Hindmarsh and must evolve to become SA’s second biggest sports team with a membership between 25,000-30,000.
‘‘If you look at the next five or 10 years we have to ask ourselves how to get growth,’’ said gun businessman Young, who has set up 20 companies.
‘‘We certainly would rather see 25,000-30,000 supporting soccer on a Friday night in the CBD. We can’t do that at the present stadium. We are looking at Adelaide Oval."
"We can see a future for Hindmarsh Stadium, just not totally dependent on Adelaide United."
It's a case of no new stadium deal, no future for the Reds.
The revenue vital to keeping United afloat would be generated by the 10,000 extra fans that can't fit into a 15,000 capacity Hindmarsh.
"There has to be an option to grow attendance and membership and to not have a stadium to accommodate that would be a deal breaker," said Young, noting United regularly draws crowds over 20,000 when playing at Adelaide Oval.
"With a bit more organisation I think we can get up to 25,000 attendances and get revenue to invest in the club, be really safe and certain of expenses going forward."
Young's new business model draws on the successful blueprint used by dual A-league champion Melbourne Victory. Young's team will be working round the clock over the festive period to deliver SA soccer a gift that keeps on giving.
"If we do go ahead we will prepare a business plan, put that to the FFA by March 31 and negotiate the purchase," said Young, principal partner of stockbroking firm Baker Young.
"We have looked at a lot of the other club models, particularly Melbourne Victory.
"It is run very well and has very good branding in the community. It has good connection with sponsors and business."
"The truth is the old model has not been successful which is why the previous promoters or owners disappeared."
The investors Young leads include a plethora of medium-sized companies who like the scale and accessibility of involvement of a revised Reds structure that would also afford national and international exposure.
"We have to come up with a model that builds revenue and that can only happen from season ticket sales, walk-up numbers, matches and sponsors," Young said.
Young's vision for United sees it becoming the state's second-biggest sports outfit - unrivalled during summer.
"The Crows have 50,000 members so I can see no reason why we can't have 25,000," said Young, who believes the A-league should start later that August to avoid clashing with AFL finals and increase sponsorship and exposure.
"Then we can have capacity to build the club."
"Port Adelaide at the worst get around 19,000 people to games. We could be near them soon."
"Potential sponsors tell me that future growth in sport in Australia will be in soccer. They can through AFL, their kids did but now their grandkids are playing soccer."
For now, Young just wants to stabilise an orphan club that is rockbottom of the A-league ladder.
"The club needs direction but has the support of our consortium and the loyal fans who keep turning up irrespective of on-field performance," he said.
Richard Earle The Advertiser
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Looks like we get to choose between:
a) Hindmarsh & no owner b) Adelaide Oval + owner
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King Billy wrote:Looks like we get to choose between:
a) Hindmarsh & no owner b) Adelaide Oval + owner It's probably more likely we don't get to choose at all, and the FFA will choose for us. :p You know which one they'll choose...
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King Billy wrote:Looks like we get to choose between:
a) Hindmarsh & no owner b) Adelaide Oval + owner That's right. I hate Adelaide Oval for football but if it means doing what MV have done at Telstra Dome/Etihad the past 5 years.. ie get a solid membership base of 20k-30k then get a new football stadium in the CBD, then i'd be up for that sacrifice. Problem is there's no mention of that and even if there was it would be damn hard to make it happen. I stand by my opinion that there is space for a purpose built, 30k seat football stadium next door to Adelaide Oval. You'd have to get passed all the conservationists, the ACC, the SAG (who funded Hindmarsh), and then find private investors probably. Tough gig, but there is space. Build an underground car park, upgrade the River Torrens to include more bars, restaurants, night clubs so people have something to do after a United/Crows/Power/Memorial Drive match. Money back into the economy. Build an 18 story hotel/resort for all the travelling teams and to attract overseas tourists and you have what it takes to build what i call the "Parklands Sports & Entertainment Precinct". Dreaming is fun.
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It pains me to say it but: Isn't that basically what the Liberals have suggested happens at the railway? BTW: I want to see more of Monterosso! He is on 8 goals in the NYL, 1 behind the current top scorer. In the HAL we have... no one near the top scorer.
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RedEyeRob wrote:King Billy wrote:Looks like we get to choose between:
a) Hindmarsh & no owner b) Adelaide Oval + owner That's right. I hate Adelaide Oval for football but if it means doing what MV have done at Telstra Dome/Etihad the past 5 years.. ie get a solid membership base of 20k-30k then get a new football stadium in the CBD, then i'd be up for that sacrifice. Problem is there's no mention of that and even if there was it would be damn hard to make it happen. I stand by my opinion that there is space for a purpose built, 30k seat football stadium next door to Adelaide Oval. You'd have to get passed all the conservationists, the ACC, the SAG (who funded Hindmarsh), and then find private investors probably. Tough gig, but there is space. Build an underground car park, upgrade the River Torrens to include more bars, restaurants, night clubs so people have something to do after a United/Crows/Power/Memorial Drive match. Money back into the economy. Build an 18 story hotel/resort for all the travelling teams and to attract overseas tourists and you have what it takes to build what i call the "Parklands Sports & Entertainment Precinct". Dreaming is fun. Crazy talk!! It is much more important to have a new hospital that no one wants and all our sport being played at a stadium that has nothing going for it apart from tradition and a convenient location..... :roll: Seriously though, as much as I love Hindmarsh Stadium I think this is a necessary move for us if we are to ever have a decent football stadium in the CBD.
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The best thing that could happen for AUFC is to have 20-25k members. Young is 100% right on that front. If I have to watch games at Adelaide Oval for this to happen then so be it.
The thing about football - the important thing about football - is its not just about football. - Sir Terry Pratchett in Unseen Academicals For pro/rel in Australia across the entire pyramid, the removal of artificial impediments to the development of the game and its players. On sabbatical Youth Coach and formerly part of The Cove FC
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I hate to be the pessimist in this situation, but the other possibility of moving to Adelaide Oval is what is currently happening with Brisbane Roar and their Suncorp Stadium dilemma. I can't see Adelaide Oval allowing current pricing on tickets and if our club don't start performing more consistently on the field, I doubt that's going to attract new members, let alone the 20k that Mr Young is expectng.
Don't get me wrong, I would love it if our member base rose to those numbers, but I just don't see it realistically happening for at least another 10 years or more. At current estimates, I think we only have a solid core of about 7k members at the moment.
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RedsUnited wrote:I hate to be the pessimist in this situation, but the other possibility of moving to Adelaide Oval is what is currently happening with Brisbane Roar and their Suncorp Stadium dilemma. I can't see Adelaide Oval allowing current pricing on tickets and if our club don't start performing more consistently on the field, I doubt that's going to attract new members, let alone the 20k that Mr Young is expectng.
Don't get me wrong, I would love it if our member base rose to those numbers, but I just don't see it realistically happening for at least another 10 years or more. At current estimates, I think we only have a solid core of about 7k members at the moment. You have to remember we are actually one of the most expensive clubs to be a member with at the moment. Hindmarsh cannot support large enough numbers to reduce the membership cost. But if we could half the cost of membership and triple the number of members that would result in a much improved cash flow for the club.
The thing about football - the important thing about football - is its not just about football. - Sir Terry Pratchett in Unseen Academicals For pro/rel in Australia across the entire pyramid, the removal of artificial impediments to the development of the game and its players. On sabbatical Youth Coach and formerly part of The Cove FC
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The reality is that neither stadium solution will be in place for many years. Between now and then we have every opportunity to get new owners in place and build the club and brand to a position of prominence in SA. The World Cup will help but a marqee player plan and a winning culture will be even more useful. Most useful will be a genuine attempt to entice every young player (male and female) in Adelaide to attend AUFC matches and dream of playing for the club as the first stage in their glorious career.
Clubs grow from the grassroots in combination with high-profile media presence. We do ok for media presence in Adelaide but it can be better. We do ok for grassroots contact also. We just need to be excellent at both.
If, by the time the new stadiums are ready, we are drawing full-houses each home match we will be in a position to move accross with our support intact. To move prematurely would be a disaster. Hindmarsh is a GREAT football stadium and even with 8-9000 can generate atmosphere. Adelaide Oval is a HORRIBLE football ground (at present) where atmosphere dissappears before it even gets to the edge of the pitch. Sight lines are atrocious and you can imagine the deafening silence of playing there with 8-9000 fans. It would kill us.
I hopw whoever takes over puts in place a structured and deisciplined plan to get out into the community and the media on a consistent level over 3-5 years. I really believe we could regularly attract 15-20,000 fans to home games but it isn't going to happen by hoping.
It will happen when there is a vision and enough financial and administrative clout to see a plan through to completion.
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P.S. New blog is up guys. The new 442 system lets me load them up. I put it into the system before writing the last post and when I checked the front page again it was there! Amazing. Nice to know I didn't give KA many editing nightmares this week. :) Edited by Jessesdad: 14/12/2009 03:49:24 PM
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I don't understand why people in Adelaide find Hindmarsh so difficult to get to. It's 2kms from Adelaide oval and 2 and a bit from the CBD. Sure, parking would be a bit of a nightmare, but Bowden Train station is across the road. Mind you, I am unaware of Adelaides train system. The two away games I've attended at Hindmarsh I've gotten to by Taxi (Me, a Melburnian, had to direct the Adelaide cabbie, who said he had lived in the city for 2 or 3 years from memory, to Hindmarsh) from North Terrace. Cost no more than $15 from memory.
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lfc.mvfc.trfc wrote:I don't understand why people in Adelaide find Hindmarsh so difficult to get to. It's 2kms from Adelaide oval and 2 and a bit from the CBD. Sure, parking would be a bit of a nightmare, but Bowden Train station is across the road. Mind you, I am unaware of Adelaides train system. The two away games I've attended at Hindmarsh I've gotten to by Taxi (Me, a Melburnian, had to direct the Adelaide cabbie, who said he had lived in the city for 2 or 3 years from memory, to Hindmarsh) from North Terrace. Cost no more than $15 from memory.
People aren't going to pay $15 for a taxi to every home game though. I think the theory is that a lot of people will walk down King William Street to watch United and have a few beers on a Friday night because it is easy. Going to Hindmarsh with the boys after work requires more cohesion than anything I've seen at Hindmarsh this season
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I don't believe that people will just 'wander' into a Reds game wherever it is. Look at the crowds for SA cricket and that's played at Adelaide Oval. Nobody cares. People come to games when they have a reason to. They like the club or they're attracted by the publicity. Then it doesn't matter if it's Hindmarsh, Adelaide Oval of the notoriously inaccesible Football Park. They go because they care or they want to be part of what's going on.
When the Reds make that leap into the heart of Adelaide community consciousness then we'll be flying. It started last year. This year it's taken a beating. Next year....?
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lfc.mvfc.trfc wrote:I don't understand why people in Adelaide find Hindmarsh so difficult to get to. It's 2kms from Adelaide oval and 2 and a bit from the CBD. Sure, parking would be a bit of a nightmare, but Bowden Train station is across the road. Mind you, I am unaware of Adelaides train system. The two away games I've attended at Hindmarsh I've gotten to by Taxi (Me, a Melburnian, had to direct the Adelaide cabbie, who said he had lived in the city for 2 or 3 years from memory, to Hindmarsh) from North Terrace. Cost no more than $15 from memory.
I agree wholeheatedly and also with JD. Adelaide oval is a HORRIBLE place to watch football. Hindmarsh for me is just so far ahead of that dead coloseum dedicated to mobile meditation. In truth anyone who complains about parking or Hindmarsh being too far from the CBD has no experience living in cities of more than 1 million people. In short they don't realise how good they've got it. Adelaide is a large country town, and as such public transport is infrequent, unfortunately, as in the bigger city's taxi driving is usually a job easily accessible to new immigrants and as I have done in Sydney, Melbourne and even Perth ( which is almost as well laid out as Adelaide ) I have read maps in my first language and therefore actually DIRECTED driver's, but the reward is worth it!! Edited by redcup: 14/12/2009 04:22:22 PM
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General Ashnak wrote:It pains me to say it but: Isn't that basically what the Liberals have suggested happens at the railway?
Not quite...yes, the Liberals have suggested redevelopment of the Torrens River, but they have proposed a new AFL & Cricket stadium.... that means a new stadium + the existing Adelaide Oval. Seems ludicrous to me seeing as AFL and Cricket ovals can use the exact same dimensions. Added to the fact that one is in Winter and another is in Summer. It just makes sense for a city as big as ours to keep those 2 codes together and redevelop Adelaide Oval.
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jessesdad wrote:I don't believe that people will just 'wander' into a Reds game wherever it is. Look at the crowds for SA cricket and that's played at Adelaide Oval. Nobody cares. People come to games when they have a reason to. They like the club or they're attracted by the publicity. Then it doesn't matter if it's Hindmarsh, Adelaide Oval of the notoriously inaccesible Football Park. They go because they care or they want to be part of what's going on.
When the Reds make that leap into the heart of Adelaide community consciousness then we'll be flying. It started last year. This year it's taken a beating. Next year....? Agreed. Take a look at the "Reds and 36ers" thread from a few days ago. All those that are not into basketball bluntly said they would not go even if they received a free or discounted ticket in conjunction with the Reds ticket.
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