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Olyroos put five past China's U23s in Olympic qualification preperation

https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/olyroos-put-five-past-chinas-u23s-in-olympic-qualification-preperation-534065



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Just nice to see so many of those names in a team together and also doing well in this game. Toure, Folami are very exciting. Still not entirely show Armenakas will go all the way. Italiano seems a cut above. 
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johnszasz - 16 Nov 2019 1:15 PM
Just nice to see so many of those names in a team together and also doing well in this game. Toure, Folami are very exciting. Still not entirely show Armenakas will go all the way. Italiano seems a cut above. 

Yeh the goals from Folami and Toure were promising. Folami's touch to set up a clear shot on goal was nice. 
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Looks like the massive investment China has made into Football the past decade or so is paying dividends.

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The football version of Belt and Road initiative......Sent down the road after being belted.
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johnszasz - 16 Nov 2019 1:15 PM
Just nice to see so many of those names in a team together and also doing well in this game. Toure, Folami are very exciting. Still not entirely show Armenakas will go all the way. Italiano seems a cut above. 

Honestly I thought Armenakas was excellent. He looked to take on his man, great touch, great delivery. I know we have a surplus of wingers but regardless of his gametime and club situation, it's obvious he has that X-factor. 
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crimsoncrusoe - 16 Nov 2019 3:41 PM
The football version of Belt and Road initiative......Sent down the road after being belted.

lololol
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bettega - 16 Nov 2019 3:35 PM
Looks like the massive investment China has made into Football the past decade or so is paying dividends.

Pulling their best U23 players out of the league for two months of military style drills sure did the trick.
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bettega - 16 Nov 2019 3:35 PM
Looks like the massive investment China has made into Football the past decade or so is paying dividends.

There seems to be a number of structural issues with Chinese football, as something isn’t clicking even with all that money going into the game. 

Our Olyroos side really isn’t that strong, and with the well understood challenges we are facing with youth development in this country, it’s certainly an interesting result. 

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johnszasz - 16 Nov 2019 1:15 PM

Honestly I thought Armenakas was excellent. He looked to take on his man, great touch, great delivery. I know we have a surplus of wingers but regardless of his gametime and club situation, it's obvious he has that X-factor. 

Good to hear. He's really got to kick on and play continuously. 
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Heart_fan - 16 Nov 2019 6:39 PM
bettega - 16 Nov 2019 3:35 PM

There seems to be a number of structural issues with Chinese football, as something isn’t clicking even with all that money going into the game. 

Our Olyroos side really isn’t that strong, and with the well understood challenges we are facing with youth development in this country, it’s certainly an interesting result. 

I have to disagree with you on that one Heart_fan, this Olyroos team has a lot of talent compared to previous sides.

I think you are underestimating their quality, the finishes which were top class.
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It's the most promising olyroos side I can remember in years you're still missing Mcgree and a bunch of others 
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lukerobinho - 16 Nov 2019 8:19 PM
It's the most promising olyroos side I can remember in years you're still missing Mcgree and a bunch of others 

McGree, Wales, Koutroumbis, Silvera, de Silva, Buhagiar, Thurgate, Wilson, Atkinson, Genreau, Pierias, Ivanovic, Iredale et al - these are all good youngsters who either have been rested or can't make the team - very promising signs. 
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Heart_fan - 16 Nov 2019 6:39 PM
bettega - 16 Nov 2019 3:35 PM

There seems to be a number of structural issues with Chinese football, as something isn’t clicking even with all that money going into the game. 

Our Olyroos side really isn’t that strong, and with the well understood challenges we are facing with youth development in this country, it’s certainly an interesting result. 

Nothing we haven't seen before. ME teams have pumped money into football for decades and have inexplicably only just seemed to catch up to us despite our lack of investment and a generation of stagnation. Qatar is the only one who has got it right and that only just happened.
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Liked the 4th goal. Made me look like proper mugs.

China look static. 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SlyyBf_LbEA

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bettega - 16 Nov 2019 3:35 PM
Looks like the massive investment China has made into Football the past decade or so is paying dividends.

Marcello Lippi has quit as the senior national team coach after losing to Syria. I guess you just can't teach China how to play team sports?
Apparently Lippi was on $20m Euro a year, but he quit. I guess at 71 years old, he wants his last coaching job to leave some legacy... it aint gonna happen with China.

Some of my Chinese friends have told me,, that even though China has poured so much money into football, its not being run correctly.  ie. run by football people...  kinda like the FFA in some ways I guess.

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Marcello Lippi has quit as the senior national team coach after losing to Syria. I guess you just can't teach China how to play team sports?
Apparently Lippi was on $20m Euro a year, but he quit. I guess at 71 years old, he wants his last coaching job to leave some legacy... it aint gonna happen with China.

Some of my Chinese friends have told me,, that even though China has poured so much money into football, its not being run correctly.  ie. run by football people...  kinda like the FFA in some ways I guess.

I think the problem for Chinese soccer is that China as an emerging economy has been focused on education and jobs before sport. I noticed in China when travelling around how few open sporting fields their are. The polution in the big cities doesn't help. They have tried in the past to do the eastern block thing of identifying young players and putting them into a system but hasn't worked. 

Chinese football will get better as the middle class keeps growing and second generation kids will have more time to focus on 'lifestyle' pursuits like sport and art. 



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Just seen highlights. Classy. Even better was to see the will to score and the players simply enjoying their football. As mentioned above there are a lot of other good options not in this squad. Bodes well for the future. 
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johnszasz - 17 Nov 2019 10:21 AM
Just seen highlights. Classy. Even better was to see the will to score and the players simply enjoying their football. As mentioned above there are a lot of other good options not in this squad. Bodes well for the future. 

Link?
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Scott20won posted it above...but here it is again

https://youtu.be/SlyyBf_LbEA

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Its a problem in a socialist/capitalistic police state dictatorship to encourage free  independent creative thought,when it is activle penalised.
Some of the chinese play at the back was worse than you would find at CCM at their worst.The chinese literally gifted a couple of goals.
But unlike previous Aussie sides ,this aussie side was clinical,finishing off chances in great style.
With this side and the recent efforts of the Joeys,there is a real sign of improved skills.
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crimsoncrusoe - 17 Nov 2019 11:41 AM
Its a problem in a socialist/capitalistic police state dictatorship to encourage free  independent creative thought,when it is activle penalised.
Some of the chinese play at the back was worse than you would find at CCM at their worst.The chinese literally gifted a couple of goals.
But unlike previous Aussie sides ,this aussie side was clinical,finishing off chances in great style.
With this side and the recent efforts of the Joeys,there is a real sign of improved skills.

Idk what your getting at but if you think the style of government is holding back teams, then you only have to look at performances from Eastern European states between 1960-1990 to know that it's not true.

The Soviet Union were champions once and runners up 3 times in the Euros and won Gold at in both the 56 and the 88 olympics (the second after professionals were allowed). Yugoslavia made the finals twice at the euros. Poland, East Germany and Hungary (multiple times) were also Olympic champions.

In club football, multiple teams across the Warsaw Pack went deep into UEFA tournaments and most notably Steau and Red Star Belgrade both won a European cup.


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When's the next game?.
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griff1 - 17 Nov 2019 11:36 AM
Scott20won posted it above...but here it is again

https://youtu.be/SlyyBf_LbEA

Thanks.
i like how clinical they were
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Idk what your getting at but if you think the style of government is holding back teams, then you only have to look at performances from Eastern European states between 1960-1990 to know that it's not true.

The Soviet Union were champions once and runners up 3 times in the Euros and won Gold at in both the 56 and the 88 olympics (the second after professionals were allowed). Yugoslavia made the finals twice at the euros. Poland, East Germany and Hungary (multiple times) were also Olympic champions.

In club football, multiple teams across the Warsaw Pack went deep into UEFA tournaments and most notably Steau and Red Star Belgrade both won a European cup.

Some good points except your sample is from 30 years ago....

The former Yugoslavia was not an eastern bloc nation and that leaves Poland and East Germany. Being Hungarian myself you can't look back 60 years - too far and they were only communist for a few when they dominated. Poland has had Lewindolski and Boniek in the last 40 years and who knows about East Germany and their drugs.

There has go to be something about a political culture (in terms of translating to football) that doesn't actively appreciate freedom of expression, thought and standing out and being creative. 




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I think the problem for Chinese soccer is that China as an emerging economy has been focused on education and jobs before sport. I noticed in China when travelling around how few open sporting fields their are. The polution in the big cities doesn't help. They have tried in the past to do the eastern block thing of identifying young players and putting them into a system but hasn't worked. 

Chinese football will get better as the middle class keeps growing and second generation kids will have more time to focus on 'lifestyle' pursuits like sport and art. 



I think this is very true for China and most Asian nations. As someone with Chinese background, I definitely agree that the mentality is to have a good education and get a stable job first before any passion pursuits. Makes perfect sense for developing countries.
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Aren’t we playing North Korea tonight at 7pm? 
Anyone find any updates or streams? 

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Podiacide - 17 Nov 2019 7:34 PM
Aren’t we playing North Korea tonight at 7pm? 
Anyone find any updates or streams? 

No stream 
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Zoltan - 17 Nov 2019 10:11 AM

I think this is very true for China and most Asian nations. As someone with Chinese background, I definitely agree that the mentality is to have a good education and get a stable job first before any passion pursuits. Makes perfect sense for developing countries.

Yes, thats true, but look how well China does at the Olympics,,,  they don't suck at sports,, they're just not good at Football, even when they've poured hundreds of millions into their football system, to provide an end result of world cup qualification.

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Zoltan - 17 Nov 2019 3:28 PM
melbourne_terrace - 17 Nov 2019 12:24 PM

Some good points except your sample is from 30 years ago....

The former Yugoslavia was not an eastern bloc nation and that leaves Poland and East Germany. Being Hungarian myself you can't look back 60 years - too far and they were only communist for a few when they dominated. Poland has had Lewindolski and Boniek in the last 40 years and who knows about East Germany and their drugs.

There has go to be something about a political culture (in terms of translating to football) that doesn't actively appreciate freedom of expression, thought and standing out and being creative. 




I do hear from my relatives in China and I know a few people I know amongst the staff at a particular CSL Club, that in China, they don't necessarily select the best kids with the best football skills into the national setup. Theres alot of bribing and what not that goes on in the backgroud.
I'm unsure if this is true or not, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if it was.

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