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Unless they get rid of the communist league and allow real proper investment into clubs and the game here, i say blow it up.
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I say (and have said) destroy. https://forum.insidesport.com.au/2772301/Collapse-the-AleagueOr at the very least a major overhaul. 2nd div and pro / rel and if they can't sort that in the next couple of years I hope the whole thing blows up.
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JonoMV
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+x+xStill waiting for our comp to produce class players. Not many have come through. We have yet to have a player who began their career in the A League score at the World Cup. And yet we have a whole group of players who came through the A League and WON the Asian Cup. Yeah that was great, wouldn't say whole but the majority were players who started in the A-League were in the squad. I think of the starting line up in the final Jedinak, Milligan made their debuts in the NSL, Luongo never played in the A-League, neither did Davidson. Cahill never started in the A -League ether. So that was almost half of our starting line up.
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+xWithout the A-League Mooy doesn't play EPL. His game "developed" to the level where an overseas move was possible, and was clearly above Championship standard when ahe arrived there. The guy then scores against Manchester United.. He was the best midfielder on the park against Denmark and whisker from scoring a cracker against France.in a World Cup, Is that not "World Class"? LOL No. He is a good footballer though. World Class is pushing it, he has had some games where he has displayed it but no where near consistently enough.
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Enzo Bearzot
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Without the A-League Mooy doesn't play EPL. His game "developed" to the level where an overseas move was possible, and was clearly above Championship standard when ahe arrived there. The guy then scores against Manchester United.. He was the best midfielder on the park against Denmark and whisker from scoring a cracker against France.in a World Cup, Is that not "World Class"?
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MarkfromCroydon
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+xStill waiting for our comp to produce class players. Not many have come through. We have yet to have a player who began their career in the A League score at the World Cup. And yet we have a whole group of players who came through the A League and WON the Asian Cup.
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Gyfox
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+x+x+xPlayed for or in before they made their bigger money transfer. As I've edited in my prev. post, admittedly it's not the HAL clubs' fault intrinsically bc they weren't initially started up w/the aim of developing their own player pool from@ least U-14-15 level, for instance - thankfully that's begun to be remedied. But only a handful of guys - Rhyan Grant being the 1st immediate eg. to my mind - can qualify to be 'products' of HAL clubs in line with the traditional definition. I would think that during the transitional period any player that went on from a season or two in the NYL to become an established senior squad player in the A-League could be considered an A-League product. A quick check of the Socceroos cap list shows:- Borello Jeggo Grant Deng Mabil Arzani Petratos Jurman Geria Risdon Ibini Sainsbury Halloran Brilliante Ryan Behich There are also quite a few that have gone from state institutes straight to A-League clubs at a young age that might be considered A-League products.
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Gyfox
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+x+xPlayed for or in before they made their bigger money transfer. As I've edited in my prev. post, admittedly it's not the HAL clubs' fault intrinsically bc they weren't initially started up w/the aim of developing their own player pool from@ least U-14-15 level, for instance - thankfully that's begun to be remedied. But only a handful of guys - Rhyan Grant being the 1st immediate eg. to my mind - can qualify to be 'products' of HAL clubs in line with the traditional definition. I would think that during the transitional period any player that went on from a season or two in the NYL to become an established senior squad player in the A-League could be considered an A-League product.
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JonoMV
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Still waiting for our comp to produce class players. Not many have come through. We have yet to have a player who began their career in the A League score at the World Cup.
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+xWhat about Singh and Rogic? I mentioned Grant bc he actually transitioned to senior football with Sydney FC from their own NYL side. Rogic played his youth football with the Australian National University NPL side in Canberra FFS. Likewise Singh doesn't count bc he spent more of his formative years w/this mob https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onehunga_Sports than he did w/the Nux's junior setup :Whistling:
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+x+xPlayed for or in before they made their bigger money transfer. As I've edited in my prev. post, admittedly it's not the HAL clubs' fault intrinsically bc they weren't initially started up w/the aim of developing their own player pool from@ least U-14-15 level, for instance - thankfully that's begun to be remedied. But only a handful of guys - Rhyan Grant being the 1st immediate eg. to my mind - can qualify to be 'products' of HAL clubs in line with the traditional definition. What about Singh and Rogic?
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BA81
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+xPlayed for or in before they made their bigger money transfer. As I've edited in my prev. post, admittedly it's not the HAL clubs' fault intrinsically bc they weren't initially started up w/the aim of developing their own player pool from@ least U-14-15 level, for instance - thankfully that's begun to be remedied. But only a handful of guys - Rhyan Grant being the 1st immediate eg. to my mind - can qualify to be 'products' of HAL clubs in line with the traditional definition.
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Enzo Bearzot
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? The PFA seems to like it. Actually, they want it gone, based on John Didulica's opinion. I am glad they are listening to their members as the previous strongly held opinion was that the salary cap was the only thing preventing the A League clubs from paying their players a pittance. They also believed that it was the most effective way to drive up player wages in Australia. They of course were wrong. +x+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? I also don't think we'll have pro-rel by then either so we wouldn't have a place to relegate clubs who won't be able to compete purely becuase they aren't owned by a loaded sugardaddy. Why would a team fold just because they cant compete? They get a hand out from the central league, they are in a big enough league to attract sponsors and commercial partners, believe it or not some people actually like going to the football which is why we have never seen a crowd of zero This win or die is an AFL / NRL mentality that has held our game back too long Ironic that you say if Adelaide were gone you would only follow the Socceroos, yet they dont have a chance of winning the world cup. Why is it OK for you to support the Socceroos but not OK for people of Gosford or Newcastle to want to see their team do that little bit better each year? have you seen what's happened to victory's attendances when they are doing poorly? Like now? Do you think there is a correlation between winning games and match day attendances, memberships, viewership figures? Do you think clubs need a base level of support in those areas to remain viable? This but throw in merchandise sales, sponsorship, etc. Fans can only take so much. CCM have been through hell and back over the last 5 years and fans are turning away. If they are forced into finishing last every year, even some of the most diehard fans will lose interest. It is honestly so disheartening to see your club forced into eternal mediocrity simply because your club isn't owned by a loaded sugar daddy. Even UEFA were considering bringing in a form of salary cap a while back. As for Bluebird's point about following the Roos and not AUFC, it's not ironic at all and a ridiculous attempt at a gotcha. Success can be bought in club football. You can't go and buy a bunch of players from elsewhere to play for your NT. A League clubs don't generate income through merchandise, the FFA does and then distributes it via the dividend payment made to each club.Sponsorship is direct club income, one of the few forms of revenue they can bank on next to corporate sales. Also success cannot be bought in Australia for a football club due to the restrictions that are placed on the finances of all clubs in order to create an artificially "level" competition - I think a better description to "level" is mediocre, as in it encourages mediocrity rather than excellence. So Adelaide's run in the AFC Champions League was "mediocre"? Wanderers winning it was "mediocre"? Roar under Postecoglou were mediocre? Every starting player in the 1-2 loss against World Champions France in 2018 having played in the A League was also "mediocre"? How are those questions exactly relevant? How good are CCM? What does WP actually do for Australian football? What is the purpose of PG having the oldest playing list? Why can't I get a cevapi at an A League game? The same League produced all 11 players that took it up to the current World Champions AT THE WORLD CUP. How is this "mediocre"? Define 'produced' bc if we're going by the definition that's universally-accepted across the football world, the HAL clubs haven't produced sh1t :exclamationmark: played for or in before they made their bigger money transfer.
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Enzo Bearzot
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? The PFA seems to like it. Actually, they want it gone, based on John Didulica's opinion. I am glad they are listening to their members as the previous strongly held opinion was that the salary cap was the only thing preventing the A League clubs from paying their players a pittance. They also believed that it was the most effective way to drive up player wages in Australia. They of course were wrong. +x+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? I also don't think we'll have pro-rel by then either so we wouldn't have a place to relegate clubs who won't be able to compete purely becuase they aren't owned by a loaded sugardaddy. Why would a team fold just because they cant compete? They get a hand out from the central league, they are in a big enough league to attract sponsors and commercial partners, believe it or not some people actually like going to the football which is why we have never seen a crowd of zero This win or die is an AFL / NRL mentality that has held our game back too long Ironic that you say if Adelaide were gone you would only follow the Socceroos, yet they dont have a chance of winning the world cup. Why is it OK for you to support the Socceroos but not OK for people of Gosford or Newcastle to want to see their team do that little bit better each year? have you seen what's happened to victory's attendances when they are doing poorly? Like now? Do you think there is a correlation between winning games and match day attendances, memberships, viewership figures? Do you think clubs need a base level of support in those areas to remain viable? This but throw in merchandise sales, sponsorship, etc. Fans can only take so much. CCM have been through hell and back over the last 5 years and fans are turning away. If they are forced into finishing last every year, even some of the most diehard fans will lose interest. It is honestly so disheartening to see your club forced into eternal mediocrity simply because your club isn't owned by a loaded sugar daddy. Even UEFA were considering bringing in a form of salary cap a while back. As for Bluebird's point about following the Roos and not AUFC, it's not ironic at all and a ridiculous attempt at a gotcha. Success can be bought in club football. You can't go and buy a bunch of players from elsewhere to play for your NT. A League clubs don't generate income through merchandise, the FFA does and then distributes it via the dividend payment made to each club.Sponsorship is direct club income, one of the few forms of revenue they can bank on next to corporate sales. Also success cannot be bought in Australia for a football club due to the restrictions that are placed on the finances of all clubs in order to create an artificially "level" competition - I think a better description to "level" is mediocre, as in it encourages mediocrity rather than excellence. So Adelaide's run in the AFC Champions League was "mediocre"? Wanderers winning it was "mediocre"? Roar under Postecoglou were mediocre? Every starting player in the 1-2 loss against World Champions France in 2018 having played in the A League was also "mediocre"? All of these are one offs, I know we had this discussion before with the Socceroos at the World Cup but how does a salary cap got to do with Socceroos players as being mediocre?
Look at the overall ACL wins/loss ratio from the start it’s not very good...it’s clearly how special WSW did it where we have not gone close once since.
Why is Australia obsessed with a salary cap where the rest of the world except for the MLS don’t have one? We aren't like the rest of the world. Football at the elite level here is a minor sport so there isn't much money in the game. The salary cap is a mechanism to moderate player costs so that the clubs have money left to allocate to all of those other areas of the business that are essential for the operation of a professional club. Has it worked is another question. - The Salary Cap facilitates competitive balance and parity between Clubs by ensuring that the playing talent is distributed amongst the Hyundai A-League Clubs. In doing so, this increases the attraction of the competition to fans, sponsors and broadcast partners.
- The Salary Cap also safeguards the economic viability of the Hyundai A-League by ensuring that Clubs are not put in a position where they are forced to spend beyond their financial capabilities in order to stay competitive on the field.
Some would argue that it has failed to deliver on both of those points. so what you're saying the salary cap failed to provide an even competiition and the solution is to make that even less even by allowing the more affluent clubs to buy the best players and that this will somehow make those smaller clubs and therefore the league more viable.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? The PFA seems to like it. Actually, they want it gone, based on John Didulica's opinion. I am glad they are listening to their members as the previous strongly held opinion was that the salary cap was the only thing preventing the A League clubs from paying their players a pittance. They also believed that it was the most effective way to drive up player wages in Australia. They of course were wrong. +x+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? I also don't think we'll have pro-rel by then either so we wouldn't have a place to relegate clubs who won't be able to compete purely becuase they aren't owned by a loaded sugardaddy. Why would a team fold just because they cant compete? They get a hand out from the central league, they are in a big enough league to attract sponsors and commercial partners, believe it or not some people actually like going to the football which is why we have never seen a crowd of zero This win or die is an AFL / NRL mentality that has held our game back too long Ironic that you say if Adelaide were gone you would only follow the Socceroos, yet they dont have a chance of winning the world cup. Why is it OK for you to support the Socceroos but not OK for people of Gosford or Newcastle to want to see their team do that little bit better each year? have you seen what's happened to victory's attendances when they are doing poorly? Like now? Do you think there is a correlation between winning games and match day attendances, memberships, viewership figures? Do you think clubs need a base level of support in those areas to remain viable? This but throw in merchandise sales, sponsorship, etc. Fans can only take so much. CCM have been through hell and back over the last 5 years and fans are turning away. If they are forced into finishing last every year, even some of the most diehard fans will lose interest. It is honestly so disheartening to see your club forced into eternal mediocrity simply because your club isn't owned by a loaded sugar daddy. Even UEFA were considering bringing in a form of salary cap a while back. As for Bluebird's point about following the Roos and not AUFC, it's not ironic at all and a ridiculous attempt at a gotcha. Success can be bought in club football. You can't go and buy a bunch of players from elsewhere to play for your NT. A League clubs don't generate income through merchandise, the FFA does and then distributes it via the dividend payment made to each club.Sponsorship is direct club income, one of the few forms of revenue they can bank on next to corporate sales. Also success cannot be bought in Australia for a football club due to the restrictions that are placed on the finances of all clubs in order to create an artificially "level" competition - I think a better description to "level" is mediocre, as in it encourages mediocrity rather than excellence. So Adelaide's run in the AFC Champions League was "mediocre"? Wanderers winning it was "mediocre"? Roar under Postecoglou were mediocre? Every starting player in the 1-2 loss against World Champions France in 2018 having played in the A League was also "mediocre"? All of these are one offs, I know we had this discussion before with the Socceroos at the World Cup but how does a salary cap got to do with Socceroos players as being mediocre?
Look at the overall ACL wins/loss ratio from the start it’s not very good...it’s clearly how special WSW did it where we have not gone close once since.
Why is Australia obsessed with a salary cap where the rest of the world except for the MLS don’t have one? We aren't like the rest of the world. Football at the elite level here is a minor sport so there isn't much money in the game. The salary cap is a mechanism to moderate player costs so that the clubs have money left to allocate to all of those other areas of the business that are essential for the operation of a professional club. Has it worked is another question. If that were true then there would be a financial ratio, not a single figure cap. ie- If a club only has $4m, and the cap is $4m, then that hardly ensures the club has enough money for other areas of the game If there isnt much money in the game then you'll find the salary cap is a placebo anyway. Bit like telling a homeless person he cant spend more than $6m a week on food Problems require direct solutions. Nobody enforces a salary cap and hopes that everything else falls into place. We have a salary cap because thats what the other codes have. People can (and will) rationalise it all they want, but it has no more significance than that
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BA81
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? The PFA seems to like it. Actually, they want it gone, based on John Didulica's opinion. I am glad they are listening to their members as the previous strongly held opinion was that the salary cap was the only thing preventing the A League clubs from paying their players a pittance. They also believed that it was the most effective way to drive up player wages in Australia. They of course were wrong. +x+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? I also don't think we'll have pro-rel by then either so we wouldn't have a place to relegate clubs who won't be able to compete purely becuase they aren't owned by a loaded sugardaddy. Why would a team fold just because they cant compete? They get a hand out from the central league, they are in a big enough league to attract sponsors and commercial partners, believe it or not some people actually like going to the football which is why we have never seen a crowd of zero This win or die is an AFL / NRL mentality that has held our game back too long Ironic that you say if Adelaide were gone you would only follow the Socceroos, yet they dont have a chance of winning the world cup. Why is it OK for you to support the Socceroos but not OK for people of Gosford or Newcastle to want to see their team do that little bit better each year? have you seen what's happened to victory's attendances when they are doing poorly? Like now? Do you think there is a correlation between winning games and match day attendances, memberships, viewership figures? Do you think clubs need a base level of support in those areas to remain viable? This but throw in merchandise sales, sponsorship, etc. Fans can only take so much. CCM have been through hell and back over the last 5 years and fans are turning away. If they are forced into finishing last every year, even some of the most diehard fans will lose interest. It is honestly so disheartening to see your club forced into eternal mediocrity simply because your club isn't owned by a loaded sugar daddy. Even UEFA were considering bringing in a form of salary cap a while back. As for Bluebird's point about following the Roos and not AUFC, it's not ironic at all and a ridiculous attempt at a gotcha. Success can be bought in club football. You can't go and buy a bunch of players from elsewhere to play for your NT. A League clubs don't generate income through merchandise, the FFA does and then distributes it via the dividend payment made to each club.Sponsorship is direct club income, one of the few forms of revenue they can bank on next to corporate sales. Also success cannot be bought in Australia for a football club due to the restrictions that are placed on the finances of all clubs in order to create an artificially "level" competition - I think a better description to "level" is mediocre, as in it encourages mediocrity rather than excellence. So Adelaide's run in the AFC Champions League was "mediocre"? Wanderers winning it was "mediocre"? Roar under Postecoglou were mediocre? Every starting player in the 1-2 loss against World Champions France in 2018 having played in the A League was also "mediocre"? How are those questions exactly relevant? How good are CCM? What does WP actually do for Australian football? What is the purpose of PG having the oldest playing list? Why can't I get a cevapi at an A League game? The same League produced all 11 players that took it up to the current World Champions AT THE WORLD CUP. How is this "mediocre"? Define 'produced' bc if we're going by the definition that's universally-accepted across the football world, the HAL clubs haven't produced sh1t :exclamationmark: Admittedly through no individual fault of their own, but still...
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Enzo Bearzot
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? The PFA seems to like it. Actually, they want it gone, based on John Didulica's opinion. I am glad they are listening to their members as the previous strongly held opinion was that the salary cap was the only thing preventing the A League clubs from paying their players a pittance. They also believed that it was the most effective way to drive up player wages in Australia. They of course were wrong. +x+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? I also don't think we'll have pro-rel by then either so we wouldn't have a place to relegate clubs who won't be able to compete purely becuase they aren't owned by a loaded sugardaddy. Why would a team fold just because they cant compete? They get a hand out from the central league, they are in a big enough league to attract sponsors and commercial partners, believe it or not some people actually like going to the football which is why we have never seen a crowd of zero This win or die is an AFL / NRL mentality that has held our game back too long Ironic that you say if Adelaide were gone you would only follow the Socceroos, yet they dont have a chance of winning the world cup. Why is it OK for you to support the Socceroos but not OK for people of Gosford or Newcastle to want to see their team do that little bit better each year? have you seen what's happened to victory's attendances when they are doing poorly? Like now? Do you think there is a correlation between winning games and match day attendances, memberships, viewership figures? Do you think clubs need a base level of support in those areas to remain viable? This but throw in merchandise sales, sponsorship, etc. Fans can only take so much. CCM have been through hell and back over the last 5 years and fans are turning away. If they are forced into finishing last every year, even some of the most diehard fans will lose interest. It is honestly so disheartening to see your club forced into eternal mediocrity simply because your club isn't owned by a loaded sugar daddy. Even UEFA were considering bringing in a form of salary cap a while back. As for Bluebird's point about following the Roos and not AUFC, it's not ironic at all and a ridiculous attempt at a gotcha. Success can be bought in club football. You can't go and buy a bunch of players from elsewhere to play for your NT. A League clubs don't generate income through merchandise, the FFA does and then distributes it via the dividend payment made to each club.Sponsorship is direct club income, one of the few forms of revenue they can bank on next to corporate sales. Also success cannot be bought in Australia for a football club due to the restrictions that are placed on the finances of all clubs in order to create an artificially "level" competition - I think a better description to "level" is mediocre, as in it encourages mediocrity rather than excellence. So Adelaide's run in the AFC Champions League was "mediocre"? Wanderers winning it was "mediocre"? Roar under Postecoglou were mediocre? Every starting player in the 1-2 loss against World Champions France in 2018 having played in the A League was also "mediocre"? All of these are one offs, I know we had this discussion before with the Socceroos at the World Cup but how does a salary cap got to do with Socceroos players as being mediocre?
Look at the overall ACL wins/loss ratio from the start it’s not very good...it’s clearly how special WSW did it where we have not gone close once since.
Why is Australia obsessed with a salary cap where the rest of the world except for the MLS don’t have one?
Is mediocrity means we dont accept to follow world’s best practice?
"All of these are one offs" is like the fan at the game who says a player is shit..except for that time....and that time,..and that one...and that one.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? The PFA seems to like it. Actually, they want it gone, based on John Didulica's opinion. I am glad they are listening to their members as the previous strongly held opinion was that the salary cap was the only thing preventing the A League clubs from paying their players a pittance. They also believed that it was the most effective way to drive up player wages in Australia. They of course were wrong. +x+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? I also don't think we'll have pro-rel by then either so we wouldn't have a place to relegate clubs who won't be able to compete purely becuase they aren't owned by a loaded sugardaddy. Why would a team fold just because they cant compete? They get a hand out from the central league, they are in a big enough league to attract sponsors and commercial partners, believe it or not some people actually like going to the football which is why we have never seen a crowd of zero This win or die is an AFL / NRL mentality that has held our game back too long Ironic that you say if Adelaide were gone you would only follow the Socceroos, yet they dont have a chance of winning the world cup. Why is it OK for you to support the Socceroos but not OK for people of Gosford or Newcastle to want to see their team do that little bit better each year? have you seen what's happened to victory's attendances when they are doing poorly? Like now? Do you think there is a correlation between winning games and match day attendances, memberships, viewership figures? Do you think clubs need a base level of support in those areas to remain viable? This but throw in merchandise sales, sponsorship, etc. Fans can only take so much. CCM have been through hell and back over the last 5 years and fans are turning away. If they are forced into finishing last every year, even some of the most diehard fans will lose interest. It is honestly so disheartening to see your club forced into eternal mediocrity simply because your club isn't owned by a loaded sugar daddy. Even UEFA were considering bringing in a form of salary cap a while back. As for Bluebird's point about following the Roos and not AUFC, it's not ironic at all and a ridiculous attempt at a gotcha. Success can be bought in club football. You can't go and buy a bunch of players from elsewhere to play for your NT. A League clubs don't generate income through merchandise, the FFA does and then distributes it via the dividend payment made to each club.Sponsorship is direct club income, one of the few forms of revenue they can bank on next to corporate sales. Also success cannot be bought in Australia for a football club due to the restrictions that are placed on the finances of all clubs in order to create an artificially "level" competition - I think a better description to "level" is mediocre, as in it encourages mediocrity rather than excellence. So Adelaide's run in the AFC Champions League was "mediocre"? Wanderers winning it was "mediocre"? Roar under Postecoglou were mediocre? Every starting player in the 1-2 loss against World Champions France in 2018 having played in the A League was also "mediocre"? All of these are one offs, I know we had this discussion before with the Socceroos at the World Cup but how does a salary cap got to do with Socceroos players as being mediocre?
Look at the overall ACL wins/loss ratio from the start it’s not very good...it’s clearly how special WSW did it where we have not gone close once since.
Why is Australia obsessed with a salary cap where the rest of the world except for the MLS don’t have one? We aren't like the rest of the world. Football at the elite level here is a minor sport so there isn't much money in the game. The salary cap is a mechanism to moderate player costs so that the clubs have money left to allocate to all of those other areas of the business that are essential for the operation of a professional club. Has it worked is another question. - The Salary Cap facilitates competitive balance and parity between Clubs by ensuring that the playing talent is distributed amongst the Hyundai A-League Clubs. In doing so, this increases the attraction of the competition to fans, sponsors and broadcast partners.
- The Salary Cap also safeguards the economic viability of the Hyundai A-League by ensuring that Clubs are not put in a position where they are forced to spend beyond their financial capabilities in order to stay competitive on the field.
That must be O'Neill's nice words that replaced the intention in the Task Force Report.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? The PFA seems to like it. Actually, they want it gone, based on John Didulica's opinion. I am glad they are listening to their members as the previous strongly held opinion was that the salary cap was the only thing preventing the A League clubs from paying their players a pittance. They also believed that it was the most effective way to drive up player wages in Australia. They of course were wrong. +x+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? I also don't think we'll have pro-rel by then either so we wouldn't have a place to relegate clubs who won't be able to compete purely becuase they aren't owned by a loaded sugardaddy. Why would a team fold just because they cant compete? They get a hand out from the central league, they are in a big enough league to attract sponsors and commercial partners, believe it or not some people actually like going to the football which is why we have never seen a crowd of zero This win or die is an AFL / NRL mentality that has held our game back too long Ironic that you say if Adelaide were gone you would only follow the Socceroos, yet they dont have a chance of winning the world cup. Why is it OK for you to support the Socceroos but not OK for people of Gosford or Newcastle to want to see their team do that little bit better each year? have you seen what's happened to victory's attendances when they are doing poorly? Like now? Do you think there is a correlation between winning games and match day attendances, memberships, viewership figures? Do you think clubs need a base level of support in those areas to remain viable? This but throw in merchandise sales, sponsorship, etc. Fans can only take so much. CCM have been through hell and back over the last 5 years and fans are turning away. If they are forced into finishing last every year, even some of the most diehard fans will lose interest. It is honestly so disheartening to see your club forced into eternal mediocrity simply because your club isn't owned by a loaded sugar daddy. Even UEFA were considering bringing in a form of salary cap a while back. As for Bluebird's point about following the Roos and not AUFC, it's not ironic at all and a ridiculous attempt at a gotcha. Success can be bought in club football. You can't go and buy a bunch of players from elsewhere to play for your NT. A League clubs don't generate income through merchandise, the FFA does and then distributes it via the dividend payment made to each club.Sponsorship is direct club income, one of the few forms of revenue they can bank on next to corporate sales. Also success cannot be bought in Australia for a football club due to the restrictions that are placed on the finances of all clubs in order to create an artificially "level" competition - I think a better description to "level" is mediocre, as in it encourages mediocrity rather than excellence. So Adelaide's run in the AFC Champions League was "mediocre"? Wanderers winning it was "mediocre"? Roar under Postecoglou were mediocre? Every starting player in the 1-2 loss against World Champions France in 2018 having played in the A League was also "mediocre"? All of these are one offs, I know we had this discussion before with the Socceroos at the World Cup but how does a salary cap got to do with Socceroos players as being mediocre?
Look at the overall ACL wins/loss ratio from the start it’s not very good...it’s clearly how special WSW did it where we have not gone close once since.
Why is Australia obsessed with a salary cap where the rest of the world except for the MLS don’t have one? We aren't like the rest of the world. Football at the elite level here is a minor sport so there isn't much money in the game. The salary cap is a mechanism to moderate player costs so that the clubs have money left to allocate to all of those other areas of the business that are essential for the operation of a professional club. Has it worked is another question. - The Salary Cap facilitates competitive balance and parity between Clubs by ensuring that the playing talent is distributed amongst the Hyundai A-League Clubs. In doing so, this increases the attraction of the competition to fans, sponsors and broadcast partners.
- The Salary Cap also safeguards the economic viability of the Hyundai A-League by ensuring that Clubs are not put in a position where they are forced to spend beyond their financial capabilities in order to stay competitive on the field.
Some would argue that it has failed to deliver on both of those points.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? The PFA seems to like it. Actually, they want it gone, based on John Didulica's opinion. I am glad they are listening to their members as the previous strongly held opinion was that the salary cap was the only thing preventing the A League clubs from paying their players a pittance. They also believed that it was the most effective way to drive up player wages in Australia. They of course were wrong. +x+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? I also don't think we'll have pro-rel by then either so we wouldn't have a place to relegate clubs who won't be able to compete purely becuase they aren't owned by a loaded sugardaddy. Why would a team fold just because they cant compete? They get a hand out from the central league, they are in a big enough league to attract sponsors and commercial partners, believe it or not some people actually like going to the football which is why we have never seen a crowd of zero This win or die is an AFL / NRL mentality that has held our game back too long Ironic that you say if Adelaide were gone you would only follow the Socceroos, yet they dont have a chance of winning the world cup. Why is it OK for you to support the Socceroos but not OK for people of Gosford or Newcastle to want to see their team do that little bit better each year? have you seen what's happened to victory's attendances when they are doing poorly? Like now? Do you think there is a correlation between winning games and match day attendances, memberships, viewership figures? Do you think clubs need a base level of support in those areas to remain viable? This but throw in merchandise sales, sponsorship, etc. Fans can only take so much. CCM have been through hell and back over the last 5 years and fans are turning away. If they are forced into finishing last every year, even some of the most diehard fans will lose interest. It is honestly so disheartening to see your club forced into eternal mediocrity simply because your club isn't owned by a loaded sugar daddy. Even UEFA were considering bringing in a form of salary cap a while back. As for Bluebird's point about following the Roos and not AUFC, it's not ironic at all and a ridiculous attempt at a gotcha. Success can be bought in club football. You can't go and buy a bunch of players from elsewhere to play for your NT. A League clubs don't generate income through merchandise, the FFA does and then distributes it via the dividend payment made to each club.Sponsorship is direct club income, one of the few forms of revenue they can bank on next to corporate sales. Also success cannot be bought in Australia for a football club due to the restrictions that are placed on the finances of all clubs in order to create an artificially "level" competition - I think a better description to "level" is mediocre, as in it encourages mediocrity rather than excellence. So Adelaide's run in the AFC Champions League was "mediocre"? Wanderers winning it was "mediocre"? Roar under Postecoglou were mediocre? Every starting player in the 1-2 loss against World Champions France in 2018 having played in the A League was also "mediocre"? All of these are one offs, I know we had this discussion before with the Socceroos at the World Cup but how does a salary cap got to do with Socceroos players as being mediocre?
Look at the overall ACL wins/loss ratio from the start it’s not very good...it’s clearly how special WSW did it where we have not gone close once since.
Why is Australia obsessed with a salary cap where the rest of the world except for the MLS don’t have one? We aren't like the rest of the world. Football at the elite level here is a minor sport so there isn't much money in the game. The salary cap is a mechanism to moderate player costs so that the clubs have money left to allocate to all of those other areas of the business that are essential for the operation of a professional club. Has it worked is another question. As per the HAL website the purpose of the cap is as follows: - The Salary Cap facilitates competitive balance and parity between Clubs by ensuring that the playing talent is distributed amongst the Hyundai A-League Clubs. In doing so, this increases the attraction of the competition to fans, sponsors and broadcast partners.
- The Salary Cap also safeguards the economic viability of the Hyundai A-League by ensuring that Clubs are not put in a position where they are forced to spend beyond their financial capabilities in order to stay competitive on the field.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? The PFA seems to like it. Actually, they want it gone, based on John Didulica's opinion. I am glad they are listening to their members as the previous strongly held opinion was that the salary cap was the only thing preventing the A League clubs from paying their players a pittance. They also believed that it was the most effective way to drive up player wages in Australia. They of course were wrong. +x+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? I also don't think we'll have pro-rel by then either so we wouldn't have a place to relegate clubs who won't be able to compete purely becuase they aren't owned by a loaded sugardaddy. Why would a team fold just because they cant compete? They get a hand out from the central league, they are in a big enough league to attract sponsors and commercial partners, believe it or not some people actually like going to the football which is why we have never seen a crowd of zero This win or die is an AFL / NRL mentality that has held our game back too long Ironic that you say if Adelaide were gone you would only follow the Socceroos, yet they dont have a chance of winning the world cup. Why is it OK for you to support the Socceroos but not OK for people of Gosford or Newcastle to want to see their team do that little bit better each year? have you seen what's happened to victory's attendances when they are doing poorly? Like now? Do you think there is a correlation between winning games and match day attendances, memberships, viewership figures? Do you think clubs need a base level of support in those areas to remain viable? This but throw in merchandise sales, sponsorship, etc. Fans can only take so much. CCM have been through hell and back over the last 5 years and fans are turning away. If they are forced into finishing last every year, even some of the most diehard fans will lose interest. It is honestly so disheartening to see your club forced into eternal mediocrity simply because your club isn't owned by a loaded sugar daddy. Even UEFA were considering bringing in a form of salary cap a while back. As for Bluebird's point about following the Roos and not AUFC, it's not ironic at all and a ridiculous attempt at a gotcha. Success can be bought in club football. You can't go and buy a bunch of players from elsewhere to play for your NT. A League clubs don't generate income through merchandise, the FFA does and then distributes it via the dividend payment made to each club.Sponsorship is direct club income, one of the few forms of revenue they can bank on next to corporate sales. Also success cannot be bought in Australia for a football club due to the restrictions that are placed on the finances of all clubs in order to create an artificially "level" competition - I think a better description to "level" is mediocre, as in it encourages mediocrity rather than excellence. So Adelaide's run in the AFC Champions League was "mediocre"? Wanderers winning it was "mediocre"? Roar under Postecoglou were mediocre? Every starting player in the 1-2 loss against World Champions France in 2018 having played in the A League was also "mediocre"? All of these are one offs, I know we had this discussion before with the Socceroos at the World Cup but how does a salary cap got to do with Socceroos players as being mediocre?
Look at the overall ACL wins/loss ratio from the start it’s not very good...it’s clearly how special WSW did it where we have not gone close once since.
Why is Australia obsessed with a salary cap where the rest of the world except for the MLS don’t have one? We aren't like the rest of the world. Football at the elite level here is a minor sport so there isn't much money in the game. The salary cap is a mechanism to moderate player costs so that the clubs have money left to allocate to all of those other areas of the business that are essential for the operation of a professional club. Has it worked is another question.
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+x+x+x+xI am not sure why this is even a question. Obviously you wouldn't blow up the HAL, that would be rather idiotic. The easist solution would have been to allow FIFA to come in with their normalisation committee. We would be half way through where we want to be already. The obvious solution is to have a NSD and then to draw more teams into the HAL from there and then to allow full pro / rel. Then every year the HAL would be blown up with 2 new clubs through promotion and 2 previous clubs through relegation. Too many of those in the HAL are looking at this the wrong way and are only looking at this from their own selfish interests. The benefits of pro/rel far outweigh the negatives. Of course you can understand that none of the teams who are in the current HAL would want their place jeopardized with the threat of relegation but until we get out of this mindset our football is surely doomed, we WILL NEVER WIN A WORLD CUP, unless its implemented and we will not improve the sport and realise its untapped potential. We will never win a World Cup, period. If Japan can aim for one, then why can't Australia? Excuses.... Winning a world cup is about performing at your best under pressure. We have teams from other countries where the players face that week in week out. We have the capability to win the world cup because we are a wealthy nation, we have a can do approach to things, we have a genuine love of sport and wanting to be the best. However we are only the best in sports that generally no one else in the world plays, that's not going to cut it I am afraid. Overall it’s just a mission statement where everyone in the game can follow and put their energy and resources into. Whatever mission statement it is for Australian football it needs to clear and everyone be on the same page and historically it’s being a struggle even with Lowy in charge.
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+x+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? The PFA seems to like it. Actually, they want it gone, based on John Didulica's opinion. I am glad they are listening to their members as the previous strongly held opinion was that the salary cap was the only thing preventing the A League clubs from paying their players a pittance. They also believed that it was the most effective way to drive up player wages in Australia. They of course were wrong. +x+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? I also don't think we'll have pro-rel by then either so we wouldn't have a place to relegate clubs who won't be able to compete purely becuase they aren't owned by a loaded sugardaddy. Why would a team fold just because they cant compete? They get a hand out from the central league, they are in a big enough league to attract sponsors and commercial partners, believe it or not some people actually like going to the football which is why we have never seen a crowd of zero This win or die is an AFL / NRL mentality that has held our game back too long Ironic that you say if Adelaide were gone you would only follow the Socceroos, yet they dont have a chance of winning the world cup. Why is it OK for you to support the Socceroos but not OK for people of Gosford or Newcastle to want to see their team do that little bit better each year? have you seen what's happened to victory's attendances when they are doing poorly? Like now? Do you think there is a correlation between winning games and match day attendances, memberships, viewership figures? Do you think clubs need a base level of support in those areas to remain viable? This but throw in merchandise sales, sponsorship, etc. Fans can only take so much. CCM have been through hell and back over the last 5 years and fans are turning away. If they are forced into finishing last every year, even some of the most diehard fans will lose interest. It is honestly so disheartening to see your club forced into eternal mediocrity simply because your club isn't owned by a loaded sugar daddy. Even UEFA were considering bringing in a form of salary cap a while back. As for Bluebird's point about following the Roos and not AUFC, it's not ironic at all and a ridiculous attempt at a gotcha. Success can be bought in club football. You can't go and buy a bunch of players from elsewhere to play for your NT. A League clubs don't generate income through merchandise, the FFA does and then distributes it via the dividend payment made to each club.Sponsorship is direct club income, one of the few forms of revenue they can bank on next to corporate sales. Also success cannot be bought in Australia for a football club due to the restrictions that are placed on the finances of all clubs in order to create an artificially "level" competition - I think a better description to "level" is mediocre, as in it encourages mediocrity rather than excellence. So Adelaide's run in the AFC Champions League was "mediocre"? Wanderers winning it was "mediocre"? Roar under Postecoglou were mediocre? Every starting player in the 1-2 loss against World Champions France in 2018 having played in the A League was also "mediocre"? All of these are one offs, I know we had this discussion before with the Socceroos at the World Cup but how does a salary cap got to do with Socceroos players as being mediocre?
Look at the overall ACL wins/loss ratio from the start it’s not very good...it’s clearly how special WSW did it where we have not gone close once since.
Why is Australia obsessed with a salary cap where the rest of the world except for the MLS don’t have one?
Is mediocrity means we dont accept to follow world’s best practice?
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They could ,should do a better job of sharing the wealth to these clubs who have carried the game for a bloody long time
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+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? The PFA seems to like it. Actually, they want it gone, based on John Didulica's opinion. I am glad they are listening to their members as the previous strongly held opinion was that the salary cap was the only thing preventing the A League clubs from paying their players a pittance. They also believed that it was the most effective way to drive up player wages in Australia. They of course were wrong. +x+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? I also don't think we'll have pro-rel by then either so we wouldn't have a place to relegate clubs who won't be able to compete purely becuase they aren't owned by a loaded sugardaddy. Why would a team fold just because they cant compete? They get a hand out from the central league, they are in a big enough league to attract sponsors and commercial partners, believe it or not some people actually like going to the football which is why we have never seen a crowd of zero This win or die is an AFL / NRL mentality that has held our game back too long Ironic that you say if Adelaide were gone you would only follow the Socceroos, yet they dont have a chance of winning the world cup. Why is it OK for you to support the Socceroos but not OK for people of Gosford or Newcastle to want to see their team do that little bit better each year? have you seen what's happened to victory's attendances when they are doing poorly? Like now? Do you think there is a correlation between winning games and match day attendances, memberships, viewership figures? Do you think clubs need a base level of support in those areas to remain viable? This but throw in merchandise sales, sponsorship, etc. Fans can only take so much. CCM have been through hell and back over the last 5 years and fans are turning away. If they are forced into finishing last every year, even some of the most diehard fans will lose interest. It is honestly so disheartening to see your club forced into eternal mediocrity simply because your club isn't owned by a loaded sugar daddy. Even UEFA were considering bringing in a form of salary cap a while back. As for Bluebird's point about following the Roos and not AUFC, it's not ironic at all and a ridiculous attempt at a gotcha. Success can be bought in club football. You can't go and buy a bunch of players from elsewhere to play for your NT. A League clubs don't generate income through merchandise, the FFA does and then distributes it via the dividend payment made to each club.Sponsorship is direct club income, one of the few forms of revenue they can bank on next to corporate sales.
Also success cannot be bought in Australia for a football club due to the restrictions that are placed on the finances of all clubs in order to create an artificially "level" competition - I think a better description to "level" is mediocre, as in it encourages mediocrity rather than excellence. That's the case as of now but isn't that changing now the league is becoming independent.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? The PFA seems to like it. Actually, they want it gone, based on John Didulica's opinion. I am glad they are listening to their members as the previous strongly held opinion was that the salary cap was the only thing preventing the A League clubs from paying their players a pittance. They also believed that it was the most effective way to drive up player wages in Australia. They of course were wrong. +x+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? I also don't think we'll have pro-rel by then either so we wouldn't have a place to relegate clubs who won't be able to compete purely becuase they aren't owned by a loaded sugardaddy. Why would a team fold just because they cant compete? They get a hand out from the central league, they are in a big enough league to attract sponsors and commercial partners, believe it or not some people actually like going to the football which is why we have never seen a crowd of zero This win or die is an AFL / NRL mentality that has held our game back too long Ironic that you say if Adelaide were gone you would only follow the Socceroos, yet they dont have a chance of winning the world cup. Why is it OK for you to support the Socceroos but not OK for people of Gosford or Newcastle to want to see their team do that little bit better each year? have you seen what's happened to victory's attendances when they are doing poorly? Like now? Do you think there is a correlation between winning games and match day attendances, memberships, viewership figures? Do you think clubs need a base level of support in those areas to remain viable? This but throw in merchandise sales, sponsorship, etc. Fans can only take so much. CCM have been through hell and back over the last 5 years and fans are turning away. If they are forced into finishing last every year, even some of the most diehard fans will lose interest. It is honestly so disheartening to see your club forced into eternal mediocrity simply because your club isn't owned by a loaded sugar daddy. Even UEFA were considering bringing in a form of salary cap a while back. As for Bluebird's point about following the Roos and not AUFC, it's not ironic at all and a ridiculous attempt at a gotcha. Success can be bought in club football. You can't go and buy a bunch of players from elsewhere to play for your NT. A League clubs don't generate income through merchandise, the FFA does and then distributes it via the dividend payment made to each club.Sponsorship is direct club income, one of the few forms of revenue they can bank on next to corporate sales. Also success cannot be bought in Australia for a football club due to the restrictions that are placed on the finances of all clubs in order to create an artificially "level" competition - I think a better description to "level" is mediocre, as in it encourages mediocrity rather than excellence. So Adelaide's run in the AFC Champions League was "mediocre"? Wanderers winning it was "mediocre"? Roar under Postecoglou were mediocre? Every starting player in the 1-2 loss against World Champions France in 2018 having played in the A League was also "mediocre"? How are those questions exactly relevant? How good are CCM? What does WP actually do for Australian football? What is the purpose of PG having the oldest playing list? Why can't I get a cevapi at an A League game? The relevance is obvious. You're talking about a league and capped system that is- what- 15 years old and in that time has produced 2 teams that played in the final of the AFC Champions league, one of whom won it. The best in Asia! In what sense is this encouraging "mediocrity"? The same League produced all 11 players that took it up to the current World Champions AT THE WORLD CUP. How is this "mediocre"? As far as the Mariners go, 4 of that starting 11 in that game played for them including the captain. And don't get me started on their domestic achievements under Arnold who went on to coach the NT. Melb City spend more than anyone else and have no where near the achievements of excellence of the Mariners. The purpose of PG havng an older squad is to win the league, same as everyone else. What does Cardiff and and Swansea add to English football? Cevapi are made with meat slightly above pet food grade.
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+x+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? The PFA seems to like it. Actually, they want it gone, based on John Didulica's opinion. I am glad they are listening to their members as the previous strongly held opinion was that the salary cap was the only thing preventing the A League clubs from paying their players a pittance. They also believed that it was the most effective way to drive up player wages in Australia. They of course were wrong. +x+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? I also don't think we'll have pro-rel by then either so we wouldn't have a place to relegate clubs who won't be able to compete purely becuase they aren't owned by a loaded sugardaddy. Why would a team fold just because they cant compete? They get a hand out from the central league, they are in a big enough league to attract sponsors and commercial partners, believe it or not some people actually like going to the football which is why we have never seen a crowd of zero This win or die is an AFL / NRL mentality that has held our game back too long Ironic that you say if Adelaide were gone you would only follow the Socceroos, yet they dont have a chance of winning the world cup. Why is it OK for you to support the Socceroos but not OK for people of Gosford or Newcastle to want to see their team do that little bit better each year? have you seen what's happened to victory's attendances when they are doing poorly? Like now? Do you think there is a correlation between winning games and match day attendances, memberships, viewership figures? Do you think clubs need a base level of support in those areas to remain viable? This but throw in merchandise sales, sponsorship, etc. Fans can only take so much. CCM have been through hell and back over the last 5 years and fans are turning away. If they are forced into finishing last every year, even some of the most diehard fans will lose interest. It is honestly so disheartening to see your club forced into eternal mediocrity simply because your club isn't owned by a loaded sugar daddy. Even UEFA were considering bringing in a form of salary cap a while back. As for Bluebird's point about following the Roos and not AUFC, it's not ironic at all and a ridiculous attempt at a gotcha. Success can be bought in club football. You can't go and buy a bunch of players from elsewhere to play for your NT. A League clubs don't generate income through merchandise, the FFA does and then distributes it via the dividend payment made to each club.Sponsorship is direct club income, one of the few forms of revenue they can bank on next to corporate sales. Also success cannot be bought in Australia for a football club due to the restrictions that are placed on the finances of all clubs in order to create an artificially "level" competition - I think a better description to "level" is mediocre, as in it encourages mediocrity rather than excellence. So Adelaide's run in the AFC Champions League was "mediocre"? Wanderers winning it was "mediocre"? Roar under Postecoglou were mediocre? Every starting player in the 1-2 loss against World Champions France in 2018 having played in the A League was also "mediocre"? How are those questions exactly relevant? How good are CCM? What does WP actually do for Australian football? What is the purpose of PG having the oldest playing list? Why can't I get a cevapi at an A League game?
The thing about football - the important thing about football - is its not just about football.
- Sir Terry Pratchett in Unseen Academicals
For pro/rel in Australia across the entire pyramid, the removal of artificial impediments to the development of the game and its players.
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+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? The PFA seems to like it. Actually, they want it gone, based on John Didulica's opinion. I am glad they are listening to their members as the previous strongly held opinion was that the salary cap was the only thing preventing the A League clubs from paying their players a pittance. They also believed that it was the most effective way to drive up player wages in Australia. They of course were wrong. +x+x+x+x+xIs anybody seriously still advocating a continuation of the salary cap? I also don't think we'll have pro-rel by then either so we wouldn't have a place to relegate clubs who won't be able to compete purely becuase they aren't owned by a loaded sugardaddy. Why would a team fold just because they cant compete? They get a hand out from the central league, they are in a big enough league to attract sponsors and commercial partners, believe it or not some people actually like going to the football which is why we have never seen a crowd of zero This win or die is an AFL / NRL mentality that has held our game back too long Ironic that you say if Adelaide were gone you would only follow the Socceroos, yet they dont have a chance of winning the world cup. Why is it OK for you to support the Socceroos but not OK for people of Gosford or Newcastle to want to see their team do that little bit better each year? have you seen what's happened to victory's attendances when they are doing poorly? Like now? Do you think there is a correlation between winning games and match day attendances, memberships, viewership figures? Do you think clubs need a base level of support in those areas to remain viable? This but throw in merchandise sales, sponsorship, etc. Fans can only take so much. CCM have been through hell and back over the last 5 years and fans are turning away. If they are forced into finishing last every year, even some of the most diehard fans will lose interest. It is honestly so disheartening to see your club forced into eternal mediocrity simply because your club isn't owned by a loaded sugar daddy. Even UEFA were considering bringing in a form of salary cap a while back. As for Bluebird's point about following the Roos and not AUFC, it's not ironic at all and a ridiculous attempt at a gotcha. Success can be bought in club football. You can't go and buy a bunch of players from elsewhere to play for your NT. A League clubs don't generate income through merchandise, the FFA does and then distributes it via the dividend payment made to each club.Sponsorship is direct club income, one of the few forms of revenue they can bank on next to corporate sales. Also success cannot be bought in Australia for a football club due to the restrictions that are placed on the finances of all clubs in order to create an artificially "level" competition - I think a better description to "level" is mediocre, as in it encourages mediocrity rather than excellence. So Adelaide's run in the AFC Champions League was "mediocre"? Wanderers winning it was "mediocre"? Roar under Postecoglou were mediocre? Every starting player in the 1-2 loss against World Champions France in 2018 having played in the A League was also "mediocre"?
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Removing the Cap makes sense if we want a free market and teams to reach their true potential.
However without transfer fees and promotion and relegation from a second division,we would not have a true football pyramid with a free market.That would be dangerous.
Small teams need a way to the top.If it isnt with buying expensive players they have to be able to develop and sell players.
The smaller teams have to have an incentive to keep playing well when they are no hope of winning anything.The threat of relegation is a proven way of dealing with the bottom dwellers.
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