As per the HAL website the purpose of the cap is as follows:

• The Salary Cap facilitates competitive balance and parity between Clubs by ensuring that the playing talent is distributed amongst the Hyundai A-League Clubs. In doing so, this increases the attraction of the competition to fans, sponsors and broadcast partners.
• The Salary Cap also safeguards the economic viability of the Hyundai A-League by ensuring that Clubs are not put in a position where they are forced to spend beyond their financial capabilities in order to stay competitive on the field.

Some would argue that it has failed to deliver on both of those points.

That must be O'Neill's nice words that replaced the intention in the Task Force Report.

"All of these are one offs" is like the fan at the game who says a player is shit..except for that time....and that time,..and that one...and that one.

 

Define 'produced' bc if we're going by the definition that's universally-accepted across the football world, the HAL clubs haven't produced sh1t:exclamationmark: Admittedly through no individual fault of their own, but still...

If that were true then there would be a financial ratio, not a single figure cap. ie- If a club only has $4m, and the cap is $4m, then that hardly ensures the club has enough money for other areas of the game

If there isnt much money in the game then you'll find the salary cap is a placebo anyway. Bit like telling a homeless person he cant spend more than $6m a week on food

Problems require direct solutions. Nobody enforces a salary cap and hopes that everything else falls into place. We have a salary cap because thats what the other codes have. People can (and will) rationalise it all they want, but it has no more significance than that

so what you're saying the salary cap failed to provide an even competiition and the solution is to make that even less even by allowing the more affluent clubs to buy the best players and that this will somehow make those smaller clubs and therefore the league more viable.

played for or in before they made their bigger money transfer.

As I've edited in my prev. post, admittedly it's not the HAL clubs' fault intrinsically bc they weren't initially started up w/the aim of developing their own player pool from@ least U-14-15 level, for instance - thankfully that's begun to be remedied. But only a handful of guys - Rhyan Grant being the 1st immediate eg. to my mind - can qualify to be 'products' of HAL clubs in line with the traditional definition.

What about Singh and Rogic?

I mentioned Grant bc he actually transitioned to senior football with Sydney FC from their own NYL side. Rogic played his youth football with the Australian National University NPL side in Canberra FFS. Likewise Singh doesn't count bc he spent more of his formative years w/this mob https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onehunga_Sports than he did w/the Nux's junior setup:Whistling:

Still waiting for our comp to produce class players. Not many have come through. We have yet to have a player who began their career in the A League score at the World Cup. 

I would think that during the transitional period any player that went on from a season or two in the NYL to become an established senior squad player in the A-League could be considered an A-League product.

A quick check of the Socceroos cap list shows:-
Borello
Jeggo
Grant
Deng
Mabil
Arzani
Petratos
Jurman
Geria
Risdon
Ibini
Sainsbury
Halloran
Brilliante
Ryan
Behich

There are also quite a few that have gone from state institutes straight to A-League clubs at a young age that might be considered A-League products.

And yet we have a whole group of players who came through the A League and WON the Asian Cup.

Without the A-League Mooy doesn't play EPL.  His game "developed" to the level where an overseas move was possible, and was clearly above Championship standard when ahe arrived there. The guy then scores against Manchester United..  He was the best midfielder on the park against Denmark  and whisker from scoring a cracker against France.in a World Cup,  Is that not "World Class"?

LOL No. He is a good footballer though. World Class is pushing it, he has had some games where he has displayed it but no where near consistently enough.

Yeah that was great, wouldn't say whole but the majority were players who started in the A-League were in the squad. I think of the starting line up in the final Jedinak, Milligan made their debuts in the NSL, Luongo never played in the A-League, neither did Davidson. Cahill never started in the A -League ether. So that was almost half of our starting line up. 

I say (and have said) destroy.  https://forum.insidesport.com.au/2772301/Collapse-the-Aleague


Or at the very least a major overhaul.  2nd div and pro / rel and if they can't sort that in the next couple of years I hope the whole thing blows up.

Unless they get rid of the communist league and allow real proper investment into clubs and the game here, i say blow it up.

Develop. What does destroy even mean?

Look how NBL changed over the years!

Although he didn't say much, it's worth having a listen to yesterday's fox podcast with O'Rouke. https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9yc3Mud2hvb3Noa2FhLmNvbS9yc3MvcG9kY2FzdC9pZC8xMDk1&episode=ZTY5NmU4ZGEtY2YxOC00NGZmLTlmOTAtMGFjMzExZGIzMjE5

For those that can't be bothered, below is a rough summary. 
The independent league is not finalised yet. The clubs currently have control of day to day operations only. Financial and legal stuff is still in negotiations and is expected to be finalised within the next 3 months or so. Once that is completed the clubs will become proper owners of the league and be able to make changes how they see fit.
Once clubs have control they will be able to make major changes (eg salary cap) via a majority vote. So if 8 clubs decide they want the cap gone, it's gone. Currently there is a bit of a split, with some clubs want it gone and others want it to stay but with changes. The FFA will have no say in this. However, the FFA may have some say in regards to future expansion. Especially if there is proposed expansion from another country or confederation. He indicated that there are two bids from the last process that would be front runners for the next round of expansion. Didn't specify which ones though. 
They new WU would have rubbish crowds, but wanted the stadium in Vic so that is why they won. 
Marketing spend will be increased with a focus on social and digital platforms rather than traditional media like FTA or radio.
The security at the WU v SFC game did not follow protocols by dealing with SFC fan marshalls. Fans were ejected, but no charges or bans were placed.
Fan bans have dramatically reduced and they have adjusted what behaviours will result in a ban. Pretty much only instances when police charge a person. The ban appeals process will change under the new league and will be far easier for a person to defend the self. 

Singh was 15 1/2 years old when he got signed.

I can understand why some clubs would have reservations about complete removal of the cap. so to sound like a broken record...
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As for expansion, its clear they see Victoria as football infrastructure poor. I'm glad they acknowledge it. Hopefully that means Team 11 are next in line here. 

I love how my position that our young footballers should have been trusted in the AMNT for years means that I think they are mediocre. My posting about this has been consistent for, literally, years.

The salary cap promotes mediocrity, no promotion and relegation promotes mediocrity, a lack of transfer fees promotes mediocrity, franchises promotes mediocrity.

The salary cap does not even out the playing field, it does not make the league more exciting, it does not promote competitiveness between the teams.

Sorry mate, that is the stupidest idea I have ever read. Its up there with the Democrats in America and Labour in England thinking that you can tax millionaires and billionaires over 100% of their earnings and not expect them to all just fucking leave.

Develop or destroy HAL - the brand new sequel to 2001: A Space Odyssey.

I disagree, our attitude thinking we are not like the rest is the reason why we continue to go on this unusual route.

To me the salary cap had it's purpose but it needs an serious upgrade into something of a soft cap or needs to be removed entirely.

Even a transfer system between clubs still doesn't exist which is ludicrous in this modern day of age.

I work on the principle every city and town should be able to have a sustainable professional team right?

Salary cap minimum could be tiered.
If Clubs can operate in cap 1 or cap 2.
The current cap remains, or increases at top end.
2nd Cap or regional cap can have the same maximum, but a significantly lower minimum.

Allowing Mariners, Wollongong and regional towns able to afford a team. And if they are successful, and pull in bigger crowds consistently they can move to higher level.

Regional teams should be able to have a professional team, but they need a sustainable model. Sure they can match Sydney or Victory spend now, but they don't but if they could pay less, in total, they maybe sustainable, and if we need and get 4 new teams, even if they occupy the bottom places, they could be sustainable.

With less money, these clubs could focus on younger players, attracting players from bigger clubs where they can't get game time, and probably gaining substantial transfer fees.

Azani might have played 30 games, not bits of 15 under this model. And the regional club gets the transfer fee.

Go on, shoot ir down:)

How else do we propose increasing the number of professional clubs and keeping them sustainable.

Current model can't work with 16 teams. Hard to see crowd increases for bottom 8 throughout the season. We don't have rusted on habits where people go even if the team is getting relegated in UK etc. 

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Long time between drinks... where have you been... or are you still running your own site and blog...