Australia/NZ Test Series.


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Australia's selectors have stuck with the core group that thrashed Pakistan for the triple tester against the Black Caps.
https://www.cricket.com.au/tours/Australia%20New%20Zealand%20Mens%20Domain%20Test%20Series%20Tour%202019%2020/GSZsNjzRo0Wbhxr8HCZA0g

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baggygreenmania - 4 Dec 2019 10:28 AM
Australia's selectors have stuck with the core group that thrashed Pakistan for the triple tester against the Black Caps.
https://www.cricket.com.au/tours/Australia%20New%20Zealand%20Mens%20Domain%20Test%20Series%20Tour%202019%2020/GSZsNjzRo0Wbhxr8HCZA0g

Bancroft out, Pattinson in, is that right?

I will be there on day 1 and day 3. 
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Don't like NZ's chances here. 

Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. 

So we're  a wicket down before we begin.

Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing?

Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? 

Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. 

I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville.
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Paddles - 4 Dec 2019 12:32 PM
Don't like NZ's chances here. 

Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. 

So we're  a wicket down before we begin.

Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing?

Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? 

Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. 

I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville.

My gut feeling is that Smith will continue to have a poor Summer, by his standards. So maybe the spinners will have his number. Stranger things have happened!
How do you see NZ batters handling Cummins and Hazlewood?
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ThingyBob - 4 Dec 2019 4:38 PM
Paddles - 4 Dec 2019 12:32 PM

My gut feeling is that Smith will continue to have a poor Summer, by his standards. So maybe the spinners will have his number. Stranger things have happened!
How do you see NZ batters handling Cummins and Hazlewood?

Im not worried about Australia's bowlers. I am worried about score board pressure on our batsmen and our bowlers not getting your batsmen out.

I really don't rate the Aus attack as highly as India's or SA's. They're good. They're not special.
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Paddles - 4 Dec 2019 5:18 PM
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Im not worried about Australia's bowlers. I am worried about score board pressure on our batsmen and our bowlers not getting your batsmen out.

I really don't rate the Aus attack as highly as India's or SA's. They're good. They're not special.

Even though Cummins has by far and away the most test wickets this year (51 from 19 innings), clear from Broad by a margin of 13? At an average of 20.31? The best for India is Shami with 33 from 16 innings at 16.66. Rabada has 26 from 12 at 28.19. Hazlewood and Starc have 32 and 31 wickets apiece and Lyon has 35. The only other Indian in the top 10 is Ishant with 25 from 12 at 15.56. Good averages, I'll grant you, but it's wickets that count at the end of the day.
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ThingyBob - 4 Dec 2019 6:32 PM
Paddles - 4 Dec 2019 5:18 PM

Even though Cummins has by far and away the most test wickets this year (51 from 19 innings), clear from Broad by a margin of 13? At an average of 20.31? The best for India is Shami with 33 from 16 innings at 16.66. Rabada has 26 from 12 at 28.19. Hazlewood and Starc have 32 and 31 wickets apiece and Lyon has 35. The only other Indian in the top 10 is Ishant with 25 from 12 at 15.56. Good averages, I'll grant you, but it's wickets that count at the end of the day.

Broad? Lol. Everyone on here knows I think he's totally rubbish. 

Cummins is a good bowler. But he only one bowler. The rest are like Wagner level and not special - or worse. 

I rate Rabada, Ngidi, Philander, et al highly, and Shami, Sharma, Bumrah Jadeja et al for India highly.

I pretty much think Aus entirely sucks away from home and deserves no respect when both India and SA beat them at home. Tbh. :)

When you win an away series, talk to me about your attack. In the meantime - I worry about your batsmen on flat pitches...

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OP Stone (ENG)1112.032933/293/299.662.4124.000investigate this query
S Nadeem (INDIA)1217.254042/184/4010.002.3026.000investigate this query
PWA Mulder (SA)127.031211/61/1212.001.7142.000investigate this query
MR Marsh (AUS)1229.258675/467/8612.282.9325.110investigate this query
JJ Bumrah (INDIA)3672.121184146/277/5813.142.5430.920investigate this query
Amir Hamza (AFG)1230.557965/746/7913.162.5630.810investigate this query
UT Yadav (INDIA)4888.414314235/538/8213.653.5423.110investigate this query
MA Wood (ENG)1220.239365/416/9315.504.5720.310investigate this query
I Sharma (INDIA)612135.434389255/229/7815.562.8632.520investigate this query
Rashid Khan (AFG)36121.326331216/4911/10415.762.7234.731investigate this query
TJ Murtagh (IRE)2454.01711375/136/6516.142.0946.210investigate this query
MR Adair (IRE)1227.489863/326/9816.333.5427.600investigate this query
Faheem Ashraf (PAK)1229.059963/426/9916.503.4129.000investigate this query
N Wagner (NZ)47154.332482295/449/7316.623.1131.940investigate this query
Mohammed Shami (INDIA)816194.249550335/357/5816.662.8335.310investigate this query
JO Holder (WI)510151.257345205/776/9717.252.2745.410investigate this query
Mahmudullah (BDESH)538.003621/31/318.004.5024.000investigate this query
KAJ Roach (WI)612193.563488275/178/8218.072.5143.010investigate this query
SR Thompson (IRE)2435.2611163/283/3718.503.1435.300investigate this query
Shan Masood (PAK)415.011911/191/1919.003.8030.000investigate this query
Kuldeep Yadav (INDIA)1131.569955/995/9919.803.1038.210investigate this query
Shadab Khan (PAK)1221.328043/414/8020.003.7232.200investigate this query
PJ Cummins (AUS)1019371.21011036516/2310/6220.312.7843.611investigate this query
JA Richardson (AUS)2451.01512363/265/4520.502.4151.000investigate this query
D Olivier (SA)48110.018435205/518/12521.753.9533.010investigate this query
MA Starc (AUS)611197.130684316/6610/10022.063.4638.131investigate this query
RRS Cornwall (WI)24107.325294137/7510/12122.612.7349.611investigate this query
WB Rankin (IRE)1220.029142/54/9122.754.5530.000investigate this query
Yamin Ahmadzai (AFG)3651.0916073/416/9322.853.1343.700investigate this query
KMA Paul (WI)1226.086932/583/6923.002.6552.000investigate this query
RAS Lakmal (SL)58131.531326145/755/7523.282.4756.510investigate this query
AS Joseph (WI)3666.216238102/124/5023.803.5839.800investigate this query
JR Hazlewood (AUS)713274.269762325/309/11523.812.7751.410investigate this query
CR Woakes (ENG)612154.431477206/176/5123.853.0846.410investigate this query
DM de Silva (SL)6973.01021593/255/5123.882.9448.600investigate this query
R Ashwin (INDIA)59173.242483207/1458/18924.152.7852.010investigate this query
Shakib Al Hasan (BDESH)1241.0412253/585/12224.402.9749.200investigate this query
JM Anderson (ENG)47102.130246105/465/10424.602.4061.310investigate this query
Mohammad Amir (PAK)2473.41519784/884/9224.622.6755.200investigate this query
MVT Fernando (SL)36103.310396164/628/13324.753.8238.800investigate this query
TA Boult (NZ)510170.541549225/1237/9024.953.2146.510investigate this query
Waqar Salamkheil (AFG)1231.0610142/354/10125.253.2546.500investigate this query
SCJ Broad (ENG)1019338.183980385/867/7925.782.8953.310investigate this query
Nayeem Hasan (BDESH)2230.0210442/434/10426.003.4645.000investigate this query
AY Patel (NZ)2486.01324295/896/16326.882.8157.310investigate this query
Mohammad Nabi (AFG)2478.01718973/364/9527.002.4266.800investigate this query
JC Archer (ENG)611238.058655246/458/8527.292.7559.520investigate this query
A Dananjaya (SL)1262.0716465/806/16427.332.6462.010investigate this query
Qais Ahmad (AFG)129.022811/221/2828.003.1154.000investigate this query
C de Grandhomme (NZ)4887.01319772/413/5628.142.2674.500

I know Australians dont understand it, but a lot of us outside Aus or media sycophancy - do not rate your bowlers - and think your bowlers caused sandpapergate by sucking compared to SA's. They have height and pace - good for Aus, but they suck everywhere else, hence why Aus has not won away since NZ gave you roads in 2015/16. Accept it, many non AUstralians and non-media pandering to rich big 3 - don't rate your attack as highly as SA or Indias. Not even close. They beat you home and away. Its a no brainer.

Just look at Bumrah, Yadav, etiher Yadav - pick one, Shami and Sharma, what are you talking about with Cummins? LOL! ;)

That WI attack  smashed England and gutted India  and still lost tbh... But their batting is so weak. No Warner at home, no Smith, no Labu...

Cummins is a great bowler. But get real dude... :) Noone globally really cares about the Aus attack with Ind, WI putting up much better numbers and SA winning in Aus... and beating you at home... :)

We're scared about Smith. Warner. And your home town bully batsmen. They scare us. Your bowlers. Lol. NZ sent Mitch Johnson into retirement in 2015 - this time it could be Starc or Haze. 
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Paddles - 4 Dec 2019 6:52 PM
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Broad? Lol. Everyone on here knows I think he's totally rubbish. 

Cummins is a good bowler. But he only one bowler. The rest are like Wagner level and not special - or worse. 

I rate Rabada, Ngidi, Philander, et al highly, and Shami, Sharma, Bumrah Jadeja et al for India highly.

I pretty much think Aus entirely sucks away from home and deserves no respect when both India and SA beat them at home. Tbh. :)

When you win an away series, talk to me about your attack. In the meantime - I worry about your batsmen on flat pitches...

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S Nadeem (INDIA)1217.254042/184/4010.002.3026.000investigate this query
PWA Mulder (SA)127.031211/61/1212.001.7142.000investigate this query
MR Marsh (AUS)1229.258675/467/8612.282.9325.110investigate this query
JJ Bumrah (INDIA)3672.121184146/277/5813.142.5430.920investigate this query
Amir Hamza (AFG)1230.557965/746/7913.162.5630.810investigate this query
UT Yadav (INDIA)4888.414314235/538/8213.653.5423.110investigate this query
MA Wood (ENG)1220.239365/416/9315.504.5720.310investigate this query
I Sharma (INDIA)612135.434389255/229/7815.562.8632.520investigate this query
Rashid Khan (AFG)36121.326331216/4911/10415.762.7234.731investigate this query
TJ Murtagh (IRE)2454.01711375/136/6516.142.0946.210investigate this query
MR Adair (IRE)1227.489863/326/9816.333.5427.600investigate this query
Faheem Ashraf (PAK)1229.059963/426/9916.503.4129.000investigate this query
N Wagner (NZ)47154.332482295/449/7316.623.1131.940investigate this query
Mohammed Shami (INDIA)816194.249550335/357/5816.662.8335.310investigate this query
JO Holder (WI)510151.257345205/776/9717.252.2745.410investigate this query
Mahmudullah (BDESH)538.003621/31/318.004.5024.000investigate this query
KAJ Roach (WI)612193.563488275/178/8218.072.5143.010investigate this query
SR Thompson (IRE)2435.2611163/283/3718.503.1435.300investigate this query
Shan Masood (PAK)415.011911/191/1919.003.8030.000investigate this query
Kuldeep Yadav (INDIA)1131.569955/995/9919.803.1038.210investigate this query
Shadab Khan (PAK)1221.328043/414/8020.003.7232.200investigate this query
PJ Cummins (AUS)1019371.21011036516/2310/6220.312.7843.611investigate this query
JA Richardson (AUS)2451.01512363/265/4520.502.4151.000investigate this query
D Olivier (SA)48110.018435205/518/12521.753.9533.010investigate this query
MA Starc (AUS)611197.130684316/6610/10022.063.4638.131investigate this query
RRS Cornwall (WI)24107.325294137/7510/12122.612.7349.611investigate this query
WB Rankin (IRE)1220.029142/54/9122.754.5530.000investigate this query
Yamin Ahmadzai (AFG)3651.0916073/416/9322.853.1343.700investigate this query
KMA Paul (WI)1226.086932/583/6923.002.6552.000investigate this query
RAS Lakmal (SL)58131.531326145/755/7523.282.4756.510investigate this query
AS Joseph (WI)3666.216238102/124/5023.803.5839.800investigate this query
JR Hazlewood (AUS)713274.269762325/309/11523.812.7751.410investigate this query
CR Woakes (ENG)612154.431477206/176/5123.853.0846.410investigate this query
DM de Silva (SL)6973.01021593/255/5123.882.9448.600investigate this query
R Ashwin (INDIA)59173.242483207/1458/18924.152.7852.010investigate this query
Shakib Al Hasan (BDESH)1241.0412253/585/12224.402.9749.200investigate this query
JM Anderson (ENG)47102.130246105/465/10424.602.4061.310investigate this query
Mohammad Amir (PAK)2473.41519784/884/9224.622.6755.200investigate this query
MVT Fernando (SL)36103.310396164/628/13324.753.8238.800investigate this query
TA Boult (NZ)510170.541549225/1237/9024.953.2146.510investigate this query
Waqar Salamkheil (AFG)1231.0610142/354/10125.253.2546.500investigate this query
SCJ Broad (ENG)1019338.183980385/867/7925.782.8953.310investigate this query
Nayeem Hasan (BDESH)2230.0210442/434/10426.003.4645.000investigate this query
AY Patel (NZ)2486.01324295/896/16326.882.8157.310investigate this query
Mohammad Nabi (AFG)2478.01718973/364/9527.002.4266.800investigate this query
JC Archer (ENG)611238.058655246/458/8527.292.7559.520investigate this query
A Dananjaya (SL)1262.0716465/806/16427.332.6462.010investigate this query
Qais Ahmad (AFG)129.022811/221/2828.003.1154.000investigate this query
C de Grandhomme (NZ)4887.01319772/413/5628.142.2674.500

I know Australians dont understand it, but a lot of us outside Aus or media sycophancy - do not rate your bowlers - and think your bowlers caused sandpapergate by sucking compared to SA's. They have height and pace - good for Aus, but they suck everywhere else, hence why Aus has not won away since NZ gave you roads in 2015/16. Accept it, many non AUstralians and non-media pandering to rich big 3 - don't rate your attack as highly as SA or Indias. Not even close. They beat you home and away. Its a no brainer.

Just look at Bumrah, Yadav, etiher Yadav - pick one, Shami and Sharma, what are you talking about with Cummins? LOL! ;)

Cummins is a great bowler. But get real dude... :)

OK by that reckoning, you agree that Stone is currently the best bowler in the world? With 3 wickets for the year? And that Mitch Marsh is a better bowler than Sharma? Of the top 20 in that list, only 4 have bowled more than 10 innings. And the top 4 placegetters have a grand total of 15 wickets between them - which is approximately half what Cummins took just in the Ashes series.
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ThingyBob - 4 Dec 2019 8:12 PM
Paddles - 4 Dec 2019 6:52 PM

OK by that reckoning, you agree that Stone is currently the best bowler in the world? With 3 wickets for the year? And that Mitch Marsh is a better bowler than Sharma? Of the top 20 in that list, only 4 have bowled more than 10 innings. And the top 4 placegetters have a grand total of 15 wickets between them - which is approximately half what Cummins took just in the Ashes series.

LOL. This is the worst straw man attempt I have ever seen. 

Good luck with this.

"Runs matter and Shane Warne scored 6 times as many as Brad Hodge, clearly Shane was the better batsman :)"

I'm not even going to debate with you further. You will just waste my time sadly at this level. If you want a statistical or analytical education, I will not be providing you one for free. Good night. And good luck. 
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Paddles - 4 Dec 2019 8:19 PM
ThingyBob - 4 Dec 2019 8:12 PM

LOL. This is the worst straw man attempt I have ever seen. 

Good luck with this.

"Runs matter and Shane Warne scored 6 times as many as Brad Hodge, clearly Shane was the better batsman :)"

I'm not even going to debate with you further. You will just waste my time sadly at this level. If you want a statistical or analytical education, I will not be providing you one for free. Good night. And good luck. 

Nawwww I was enjoying our chat!
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