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baggygreenmania - 5 Dec 2019 9:08 AM

You know I foolishly didn't even think of the sun when I bought my ticket! Just wanted to get as close to the action as possible. Forecast isn't out yet for Thurs but it's 39 for Wednesday. On day 1 I'll be next to the sight screen in row 2 on the South East part of the ground, so pretty much in the full sun for most of the late afternoon. So, long-on / 3rd man-ish. That set me back $80. Then on day 3 I'm taking the kids to the alcohol free zone next to members on the North West side, so possibly some shade there. Those tickets were $50 a pop. Luckily I'm not one who enjoys fancy dinners and fast cars! I'll leave that to Shane Warne. Although doesn't he prefer a bag of chips in his ferrari?

The ticket prices are very reasonable these days. Used to be ridiculous. They do hit your hip pocket another way by charging outrageous food and drink prices tho.
Enjoy yourself and stay out of that cooking sun as much as possible. Dont forget to keep us peasants posted on proceedings during the match. Go the Baggy Greens. 
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baggygreenmania - 6 Dec 2019 10:02 AM
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Rubbish.. MCG is a road of all roads. A disgrace to cricket. The Gabba has pace the Waca has pace.. the Perth Stadium has surprising pace.. but the MCG is a bloody hiway.

Rubbish. All your pitches bar Hobart are roads. They're not slow, they're one paced and fast, they're roads. 

Adelaide was famously the worst road of all until it started getting day night tests. But judging by Warner's 335* and Yadier's century, its back to being a road.

Gabba not a road? Yet Aus amass 580 when Smith gets out for 4?

The worst I have seen lately was that WACA 2015 pitch, utterly horrible. Broke Mitch Johnson into retirement. 

NZ has been pretty bad in the over road production of late too. Far too many tests have been played on roads here since 2013. Difference is, the same Kookaburra seems to swing more in NZ than in Aus. But when there is no swing, it is too often a borefest saved only Wagner's bouncer spells.

Its the extra bounce in Australia that most the foreign batsmen complain or have issues with if and when they fail there. Pace, heh, wickets are easier to bat on when they quicken up and flatten out. 



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Sporting articles re the MCG in recent years. There are similar observations en masse, so it seems some pundits haven't actually watched any cricket from the MCG in recent years. Or they have a personal bias. Or both.

Aussie fans would be very happy if it could be made into a "road" this series, like most of our other wickets, at least then it might keep them awake. It is going to be very disappointing if the recent trend continues.

You stick to your guns though Paddles.


 "What's the deal with the MCG Pitch?

What is happening?

The short answer is, not enough. Last season, all five first-class matches at the ground ended in draws. The nadir came in the Boxing Day Test, in which just 24 wickets fell across the five days of the game.

But even then it’s not necessarily fun for batsmen. The ball can keep low, meaning that while the threat of getting dismissed because of tricks being played by the pitch is low, it’s hard to score quickly.



"Madugalle said: “The bounce of the MCG pitch was medium, but slow in pace and got slower as the match progressed"  



"The England captain, Joe Root, described it as “very unresponsive"



Australia and India's Boxing Day blockbuster ruined by dead MCG pitch
"Slip fielders disappeared after a few overs, Paine moved ever closer to the stumps to better cope with the many balls skimming through to him on the half-volley, and Nathan Lyon was introduced out of desperation before the 10-over mark."



"As it stands, Cricket Australia now has 14 days to respond to the ICC’s harsh critique of the lifeless MCG Test pitch before a sanction"



“We were disappointed that the traditional characteristics of the MCG Pitch did not come to the fore during the Boxing Day Test,” Sutherland said today.




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The MCG has turned full circle.. now getting hammered because it is too dangerous for the batsmen. Resulting in the abandonment of play while a bloke sits on the auto roller for an hour to press some uneven areas into the surface. 
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baggygreenmania - 7 Dec 2019 3:27 PM
The MCG has turned full circle.. now getting hammered because it is too dangerous for the batsmen. Resulting in the abandonment of play while a bloke sits on the auto roller for an hour to press some uneven areas into the surface. 

That's one way of fixing it! :)
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Seems the curator has taken the advice to "get the pitch to do something, anything" a little too far! 


Play has been suspended in a dramatic Sheffield Shield clash at the MCG because of dangerous pitch conditions.

https://thewest.com.au/sport/cricket/sheffield-shield-play-abandoned-between-wa-victoria-due-to-dangerous-mcg-pitch-ng-b881404832z




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baggygreenmania - 7 Dec 2019 3:27 PM
The MCG has turned full circle.. now getting hammered because it is too dangerous for the batsmen. Resulting in the abandonment of play while a bloke sits on the auto roller for an hour to press some uneven areas into the surface. 

Play has been called off for today. This is not a good fit for Vicco cricket. Embarrassing actually.
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baggygreenmania - 7 Dec 2019 4:34 PM
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Play has been called off for today. This is not a good fit for Vicco cricket. Embarrassing actually.

Has this ever happened before? A deck deemed too spicy??
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ThingyBob - 7 Dec 2019 4:38 PM
baggygreenmania - 7 Dec 2019 4:34 PM

Has this ever happened before? A deck deemed too spicy??

Not in Australia that I can recall. Was something similar in the West Indies in a England Test decades ago. I have a feeling a match was called off in India too.
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DC was that you and Pete I just saw in the Members stand.. Pete was wearing a Santa hat.
PS: Those pics?
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flyslip - 7 Dec 2019 2:04 PM
Sporting articles re the MCG in recent years. There are similar observations en masse, so it seems some pundits haven't actually watched any cricket from the MCG in recent years. Or they have a personal bias. Or both.

Aussie fans would be very happy if it could be made into a "road" this series, like most of our other wickets, at least then it might keep them awake. It is going to be very disappointing if the recent trend continues.

You stick to your guns though Paddles.


 "What's the deal with the MCG Pitch?

What is happening?

The short answer is, not enough. Last season, all five first-class matches at the ground ended in draws. The nadir came in the Boxing Day Test, in which just 24 wickets fell across the five days of the game.

But even then it’s not necessarily fun for batsmen. The ball can keep low, meaning that while the threat of getting dismissed because of tricks being played by the pitch is low, it’s hard to score quickly.



"Madugalle said: “The bounce of the MCG pitch was medium, but slow in pace and got slower as the match progressed"  



"The England captain, Joe Root, described it as “very unresponsive"



Australia and India's Boxing Day blockbuster ruined by dead MCG pitch
"Slip fielders disappeared after a few overs, Paine moved ever closer to the stumps to better cope with the many balls skimming through to him on the half-volley, and Nathan Lyon was introduced out of desperation before the 10-over mark."



"As it stands, Cricket Australia now has 14 days to respond to the ICC’s harsh critique of the lifeless MCG Test pitch before a sanction"



“We were disappointed that the traditional characteristics of the MCG Pitch did not come to the fore during the Boxing Day Test,” Sutherland said today.




Okay 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11249/scorecard/892511/australia-vs-new-zealand-2nd-test-new-zealand-tour-of-australia-2015-16

Im on a highway from hell...

Worst pitch ever for a bowler in intl cricket... that I have seen...

"He is the last of the v8 interceptors, great for Aussie roads..."
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Harry Conway finishes off the Bulls with 4 in 6 balls.. just misses a hat trick..twice
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Paddles - 7 Dec 2019 5:15 PM
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Okay 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11249/scorecard/892511/australia-vs-new-zealand-2nd-test-new-zealand-tour-of-australia-2015-16

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Worst pitch ever for a bowler in intl cricket... that I have seen...

"He is the last of the v8 interceptors, great for Aussie roads..."

Which somewhat demonstrates the point that you haven't watched any test cricket at the MCG recently. Not since Nov 2015 it seems.

There's no shortage of criticisms.

The pom Captain called the pitch "unresponsive". The match referee complained it was slow and dour (and got slower as the match progressed), helping neither the batsmen or bowlers. Hence the sanction. Smith claimed in interviews that it simply had nothing for spinners or the quicks and was too slow for the batsmen to score freely, with the ball too soft when it started to "reverse", and that the pitch was simply bad for cricket.

The Indians ended 2-215 on day one. Paine had balls reaching him on the half volley on the first morning, and turned to spin inside the first ten overs of a test match (in Australia), despite having a 4th seamer. That doesn't indicate a fast bouncy Aussie style pitch. Nor does it indicate easy scoring. Hence the further criticisms.

Did you watch these matches, keep tabs on first class cricket leading up to this, or is this just another "statsguru" argument?



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Is that Simon Milenko's maiden FC century?
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baggygreenmania - 7 Dec 2019 6:21 PM
Is that Simon Milenko's maiden FC century?

Yep, according to cricinfo, he has no FC tons...
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baggygreenmania - 7 Dec 2019 5:49 PM
Harry Conway finishes off the Bulls with 4 in 6 balls.. just misses a hat trick..twice

Wow, that would have been something to watch! What were the modes of dismissal?
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Looks a bit ordinary that. The ball seaming around is good but not raring up like that. Under prepared? Certainly needed something to make it a bit lively, maybe overdone it a bit :) Will be interesting to see how it pans out against the kiwis. Bowl first and hope it settles down later, if it's anything like this.

WA batters in the firing line on dangerous MCG pitch.

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baggygreenmania - 7 Dec 2019 5:49 PM

Wow, that would have been something to watch! What were the modes of dismissal?

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/match-report/nsw-blues-new-south-wales-queensland-sheffield-shield-day-one-match-report-video-highlights/2019-12-07

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baggygreenmania - 8 Dec 2019 7:57 AM
ThingyBob - 8 Dec 2019 12:32 AM

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/match-report/nsw-blues-new-south-wales-queensland-sheffield-shield-day-one-match-report-video-highlights/2019-12-07

Harry may be in hot water with that send off of Swepson.. think it was.
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Which somewhat demonstrates the point that you haven't watched any test cricket at the MCG recently. Not since Nov 2015 it seems.

There's no shortage of criticisms.

The pom Captain called the pitch "unresponsive". The match referee complained it was slow and dour (and got slower as the match progressed), helping neither the batsmen or bowlers. Hence the sanction. Smith claimed in interviews that it simply had nothing for spinners or the quicks and was too slow for the batsmen to score freely, with the ball too soft when it started to "reverse", and that the pitch was simply bad for cricket.

The Indians ended 2-215 on day one. Paine had balls reaching him on the half volley on the first morning, and turned to spin inside the first ten overs of a test match (in Australia), despite having a 4th seamer. That doesn't indicate a fast bouncy Aussie style pitch. Nor does it indicate easy scoring. Hence the further criticisms.

Did you watch these matches, keep tabs on first class cricket leading up to this, or is this just another "statsguru" argument?



https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18693/scorecard/1144995/australia-vs-india-3rd-test-india-in-aus-2018-19

Really don't know why you're so keenly criticizing this pitch as a road - which was the original discussion. India could barely score on it with a run rate of 2.6 before declaring at 443 (thats a fairly low first innings declaration score for a road). And no further innings in that match looked likely to threaten 300. 

But you admit in the India game it was difficult for scoring, that is not a road then is it? So what exactly is your point about the MCG?

That you think Cook's double century on a MCG road was a  worse road than Taylor's 290 at Perth? All those roads looked the same to me.

But its still Adelaide, both statistically throughout history, and famously penned by Martin Crowe which is the most notorious Australian road. Crowe said there are three certainties in life, death, taxes and a hundred at Adelaide. The day night tests have helped quell this Adelaide reputation, but Warner's last test now begs to differ. No - I did not watch Warner's and Yasirs innings. Yes I watched Cooks. Yes I watched Bumrah demolish last year too.
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Harry may be in hot water with that send off of Swepson.. think it was.

...and what's with the hair?!?!
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Paddles - 8 Dec 2019 9:43 AM
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https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18693/scorecard/1144995/australia-vs-india-3rd-test-india-in-aus-2018-19

Really don't know why you're so keenly criticizing this pitch as a road - which was the original discussion. India could barely score on it with a run rate of 2.6 before declaring at 443 (thats a fairly low first innings declaration score for a road). And no further innings in that match looked likely to threaten 300. 

But you admit in the India game it was difficult for scoring, that is not a road then is it? So what exactly is your point about the MCG?

That you think Cook's double century on a MCG road was a  worse road than Taylor's 290 at Perth? All those roads looked the same to me.

But its still Adelaide, both statistically throughout history, and famously penned by Martin Crowe which is the most notorious Australian road. Crowe said there are three certainties in life, death, taxes and a hundred at Adelaide. The day night tests have helped quell this Adelaide reputation, but Warner's last test now begs to differ. No - I did not watch Warner's and Yasirs innings. Yes I watched Cooks. Yes I watched Bumrah demolish last year too.

So it is another "statsguru" argument then.

It is your claim that the MCG is a fast bouncy track that is in question. It hasn't been anything like that for years. Slow, low and dour. It helps no style of bowling and while it's difficult to take wickets, it's difficult work for the batsmen because it's so slow. It makes for terribly boring test matches. We did have ex Aussie players requesting all of the grass be shaved off it, to see if it might take spin, as that would at least be something.

Though it looks like the experimentation to overcome this is could see a very different pitch this series, if the recent shield match is an indication of what to expect.
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So it is another "statsguru" argument then.

It is your claim that the MCG is a fast bouncy track that is in question. It hasn't been anything like that for years. Slow, low and dour. It helps no style of bowling and while it's difficult to take wickets, it's difficult work for the batsmen because it's so slow. It makes for terribly boring test matches. We did have ex Aussie players requesting all of the grass be shaved off it, to see if it might take spin, as that would at least be something.

Though it looks like the experimentation to overcome this is could see a very different pitch this series, if the recent shield match is an indication of what to expect.

Its not a statsguru argument at all. And the MCG was certainly slower last year when India was there. That was certainly a bowler's test match where the bowlers dominated.  So I really don't get your point at all.

What is your point? That the MCG is a road or not? Cos it was not last year. At all.  Nor is it this week - lol. And the year before then it most certainly was a road when Cook was there. 

So uhmmm, what is your "point"?
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Paddles - 8 Dec 2019 11:30 AM
flyslip - 8 Dec 2019 11:22 AM

Its not a statsguru argument at all. And the MCG was certainly slower last year when India was there. That was certainly a bowler's test match where the bowlers dominated.  So I really don't get your point at all.

What is your point? That the MCG is a road or not? Cos it was not last year. At all.  Nor is it this week - lol. And the year before then it most certainly was a road when Cook was there. 

So uhmmm, what is your "point"?

It was certainly anything but a "fast bouncy track" when the poms were here before that. 

Your insistence that it is a fast bouncy track and willingness to argue that (up until now), is the point.

It seems you now realise you were wrong on that. I never mentioned the generic term "road" (which seems to hold different meaning to different people anyway). 

I only claimed that it wasn't conducive to pace, bounce, seam or spin. The conditions generally don't encourage swing either. It has been a nothing wicket and has produced dour matches. This has been the criticism of the pitch in recent years. 


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flyslip - 8 Dec 2019 12:01 PM
Paddles - 8 Dec 2019 11:30 AM

It was certainly anything but a "fast bouncy track" when the poms were here before that. 

Your insistence that it is a fast bouncy track and willingness to argue that (up until now), is the point.

It seems you now realise you were wrong on that. I never mentioned the generic term "road" (which seems to hold different meaning to different people anyway). 

I only claimed that it wasn't conducive to pace, bounce, seam or spin. The conditions generally don't encourage swing either. It has been a nothing wicket and has produced dour matches. This has been the criticism of the pitch in recent years. 


Huh? I have no idea what you're going on about. I said Aussie pitches bar Hobart are typically fast roads and that it is the extra bounce that typically causes problems for overseas batsmen in Australia. Baggers said the MCG is a highway. You reference an England game where there was medium bounce at the start but pitched slowed down, meaning less bounce, but never deviated or broke up. But the things is, the MCG was a seam bowlers pitch in the India test last year as it was even slower than the year before. Bowlers dominated. 

Now what you call fast and bouncy is propbably compared to the Gabba and WACA cos you probably don't watch much international cricket. Whereas someone from the sib continent or WI until 2 years ago, would still consider the MCG a bouncy track. Your pitches are much bouncier than NZ's also. 

So I really do not understand any of your "points". No offence.

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...and what's with the hair?!?!

I have no idea what kinda fashion statement Harry is making. Looks bloody awful to me. Who cares if he is making a bowling statement. Australia's most improved bowler along with Wes Agar in my humble opinion.
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bumping.
DC was that you and Pete I saw in the Members stand.. Pete was wearing a Santa hat.
PS: Those pics?

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