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Bancroft out, Pattinson in, is that right? I will be there on day 1 and day 3.
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Don't like NZ's chances here.
Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting.
So we're a wicket down before we begin.
Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing?
Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously?
Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up.
I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville.
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+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. My gut feeling is that Smith will continue to have a poor Summer, by his standards. So maybe the spinners will have his number. Stranger things have happened! How do you see NZ batters handling Cummins and Hazlewood?
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+x+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. My gut feeling is that Smith will continue to have a poor Summer, by his standards. So maybe the spinners will have his number. Stranger things have happened! How do you see NZ batters handling Cummins and Hazlewood? Im not worried about Australia's bowlers. I am worried about score board pressure on our batsmen and our bowlers not getting your batsmen out. I really don't rate the Aus attack as highly as India's or SA's. They're good. They're not special.
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+x+x+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. My gut feeling is that Smith will continue to have a poor Summer, by his standards. So maybe the spinners will have his number. Stranger things have happened! How do you see NZ batters handling Cummins and Hazlewood? Im not worried about Australia's bowlers. I am worried about score board pressure on our batsmen and our bowlers not getting your batsmen out. I really don't rate the Aus attack as highly as India's or SA's. They're good. They're not special. Even though Cummins has by far and away the most test wickets this year (51 from 19 innings), clear from Broad by a margin of 13? At an average of 20.31? The best for India is Shami with 33 from 16 innings at 16.66. Rabada has 26 from 12 at 28.19. Hazlewood and Starc have 32 and 31 wickets apiece and Lyon has 35. The only other Indian in the top 10 is Ishant with 25 from 12 at 15.56. Good averages, I'll grant you, but it's wickets that count at the end of the day.
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+x+x+x+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. My gut feeling is that Smith will continue to have a poor Summer, by his standards. So maybe the spinners will have his number. Stranger things have happened! How do you see NZ batters handling Cummins and Hazlewood? Im not worried about Australia's bowlers. I am worried about score board pressure on our batsmen and our bowlers not getting your batsmen out. I really don't rate the Aus attack as highly as India's or SA's. They're good. They're not special. Even though Cummins has by far and away the most test wickets this year (51 from 19 innings), clear from Broad by a margin of 13? At an average of 20.31? The best for India is Shami with 33 from 16 innings at 16.66. Rabada has 26 from 12 at 28.19. Hazlewood and Starc have 32 and 31 wickets apiece and Lyon has 35. The only other Indian in the top 10 is Ishant with 25 from 12 at 15.56. Good averages, I'll grant you, but it's wickets that count at the end of the day. Broad? Lol. Everyone on here knows I think he's totally rubbish. Cummins is a good bowler. But he only one bowler. The rest are like Wagner level and not special - or worse. I rate Rabada, Ngidi, Philander, et al highly, and Shami, Sharma, Bumrah Jadeja et al for India highly. I pretty much think Aus entirely sucks away from home and deserves no respect when both India and SA beat them at home. Tbh. :) When you win an away series, talk to me about your attack. In the meantime - I worry about your batsmen on flat pitches... you want real stats... here are real stats... | View overall figures [change view] | Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 4 dec 2019  | | Ordered by bowling average (ascending) |
I know Australians dont understand it, but a lot of us outside Aus or media sycophancy - do not rate your bowlers - and think your bowlers caused sandpapergate by sucking compared to SA's. They have height and pace - good for Aus, but they suck everywhere else, hence why Aus has not won away since NZ gave you roads in 2015/16. Accept it, many non AUstralians and non-media pandering to rich big 3 - don't rate your attack as highly as SA or Indias. Not even close. They beat you home and away. Its a no brainer. Just look at Bumrah, Yadav, etiher Yadav - pick one, Shami and Sharma, what are you talking about with Cummins? LOL! ;) That WI attack smashed England and gutted India and still lost tbh... But their batting is so weak. No Warner at home, no Smith, no Labu... Cummins is a great bowler. But get real dude... :) Noone globally really cares about the Aus attack with Ind, WI putting up much better numbers and SA winning in Aus... and beating you at home... :) We're scared about Smith. Warner. And your home town bully batsmen. They scare us. Your bowlers. Lol. NZ sent Mitch Johnson into retirement in 2015 - this time it could be Starc or Haze.
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+x+x+x+x+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. My gut feeling is that Smith will continue to have a poor Summer, by his standards. So maybe the spinners will have his number. Stranger things have happened! How do you see NZ batters handling Cummins and Hazlewood? Im not worried about Australia's bowlers. I am worried about score board pressure on our batsmen and our bowlers not getting your batsmen out. I really don't rate the Aus attack as highly as India's or SA's. They're good. They're not special. Even though Cummins has by far and away the most test wickets this year (51 from 19 innings), clear from Broad by a margin of 13? At an average of 20.31? The best for India is Shami with 33 from 16 innings at 16.66. Rabada has 26 from 12 at 28.19. Hazlewood and Starc have 32 and 31 wickets apiece and Lyon has 35. The only other Indian in the top 10 is Ishant with 25 from 12 at 15.56. Good averages, I'll grant you, but it's wickets that count at the end of the day. Broad? Lol. Everyone on here knows I think he's totally rubbish. Cummins is a good bowler. But he only one bowler. The rest are like Wagner level and not special - or worse. I rate Rabada, Ngidi, Philander, et al highly, and Shami, Sharma, Bumrah Jadeja et al for India highly. I pretty much think Aus entirely sucks away from home and deserves no respect when both India and SA beat them at home. Tbh. :) When you win an away series, talk to me about your attack. In the meantime - I worry about your batsmen on flat pitches... you want real stats... here are real stats... | View overall figures [change view] | | Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 4 dec 2019 | | Ordered by bowling average (ascending) |
I know Australians dont understand it, but a lot of us outside Aus or media sycophancy - do not rate your bowlers - and think your bowlers caused sandpapergate by sucking compared to SA's. They have height and pace - good for Aus, but they suck everywhere else, hence why Aus has not won away since NZ gave you roads in 2015/16. Accept it, many non AUstralians and non-media pandering to rich big 3 - don't rate your attack as highly as SA or Indias. Not even close. They beat you home and away. Its a no brainer. Just look at Bumrah, Yadav, etiher Yadav - pick one, Shami and Sharma, what are you talking about with Cummins? LOL! ;) Cummins is a great bowler. But get real dude... :) OK by that reckoning, you agree that Stone is currently the best bowler in the world? With 3 wickets for the year? And that Mitch Marsh is a better bowler than Sharma? Of the top 20 in that list, only 4 have bowled more than 10 innings. And the top 4 placegetters have a grand total of 15 wickets between them - which is approximately half what Cummins took just in the Ashes series.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. My gut feeling is that Smith will continue to have a poor Summer, by his standards. So maybe the spinners will have his number. Stranger things have happened! How do you see NZ batters handling Cummins and Hazlewood? Im not worried about Australia's bowlers. I am worried about score board pressure on our batsmen and our bowlers not getting your batsmen out. I really don't rate the Aus attack as highly as India's or SA's. They're good. They're not special. Even though Cummins has by far and away the most test wickets this year (51 from 19 innings), clear from Broad by a margin of 13? At an average of 20.31? The best for India is Shami with 33 from 16 innings at 16.66. Rabada has 26 from 12 at 28.19. Hazlewood and Starc have 32 and 31 wickets apiece and Lyon has 35. The only other Indian in the top 10 is Ishant with 25 from 12 at 15.56. Good averages, I'll grant you, but it's wickets that count at the end of the day. Broad? Lol. Everyone on here knows I think he's totally rubbish. Cummins is a good bowler. But he only one bowler. The rest are like Wagner level and not special - or worse. I rate Rabada, Ngidi, Philander, et al highly, and Shami, Sharma, Bumrah Jadeja et al for India highly. I pretty much think Aus entirely sucks away from home and deserves no respect when both India and SA beat them at home. Tbh. :) When you win an away series, talk to me about your attack. In the meantime - I worry about your batsmen on flat pitches... you want real stats... here are real stats... | View overall figures [change view] | | Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 4 dec 2019 | | Ordered by bowling average (ascending) |
I know Australians dont understand it, but a lot of us outside Aus or media sycophancy - do not rate your bowlers - and think your bowlers caused sandpapergate by sucking compared to SA's. They have height and pace - good for Aus, but they suck everywhere else, hence why Aus has not won away since NZ gave you roads in 2015/16. Accept it, many non AUstralians and non-media pandering to rich big 3 - don't rate your attack as highly as SA or Indias. Not even close. They beat you home and away. Its a no brainer. Just look at Bumrah, Yadav, etiher Yadav - pick one, Shami and Sharma, what are you talking about with Cummins? LOL! ;) Cummins is a great bowler. But get real dude... :) OK by that reckoning, you agree that Stone is currently the best bowler in the world? With 3 wickets for the year? And that Mitch Marsh is a better bowler than Sharma? Of the top 20 in that list, only 4 have bowled more than 10 innings. And the top 4 placegetters have a grand total of 15 wickets between them - which is approximately half what Cummins took just in the Ashes series. LOL. This is the worst straw man attempt I have ever seen. Good luck with this. "Runs matter and Shane Warne scored 6 times as many as Brad Hodge, clearly Shane was the better batsman :)" I'm not even going to debate with you further. You will just waste my time sadly at this level. If you want a statistical or analytical education, I will not be providing you one for free. Good night. And good luck.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. My gut feeling is that Smith will continue to have a poor Summer, by his standards. So maybe the spinners will have his number. Stranger things have happened! How do you see NZ batters handling Cummins and Hazlewood? Im not worried about Australia's bowlers. I am worried about score board pressure on our batsmen and our bowlers not getting your batsmen out. I really don't rate the Aus attack as highly as India's or SA's. They're good. They're not special. Even though Cummins has by far and away the most test wickets this year (51 from 19 innings), clear from Broad by a margin of 13? At an average of 20.31? The best for India is Shami with 33 from 16 innings at 16.66. Rabada has 26 from 12 at 28.19. Hazlewood and Starc have 32 and 31 wickets apiece and Lyon has 35. The only other Indian in the top 10 is Ishant with 25 from 12 at 15.56. Good averages, I'll grant you, but it's wickets that count at the end of the day. Broad? Lol. Everyone on here knows I think he's totally rubbish. Cummins is a good bowler. But he only one bowler. The rest are like Wagner level and not special - or worse. I rate Rabada, Ngidi, Philander, et al highly, and Shami, Sharma, Bumrah Jadeja et al for India highly. I pretty much think Aus entirely sucks away from home and deserves no respect when both India and SA beat them at home. Tbh. :) When you win an away series, talk to me about your attack. In the meantime - I worry about your batsmen on flat pitches... you want real stats... here are real stats... | View overall figures [change view] | | Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 4 dec 2019 | | Ordered by bowling average (ascending) |
I know Australians dont understand it, but a lot of us outside Aus or media sycophancy - do not rate your bowlers - and think your bowlers caused sandpapergate by sucking compared to SA's. They have height and pace - good for Aus, but they suck everywhere else, hence why Aus has not won away since NZ gave you roads in 2015/16. Accept it, many non AUstralians and non-media pandering to rich big 3 - don't rate your attack as highly as SA or Indias. Not even close. They beat you home and away. Its a no brainer. Just look at Bumrah, Yadav, etiher Yadav - pick one, Shami and Sharma, what are you talking about with Cummins? LOL! ;) Cummins is a great bowler. But get real dude... :) OK by that reckoning, you agree that Stone is currently the best bowler in the world? With 3 wickets for the year? And that Mitch Marsh is a better bowler than Sharma? Of the top 20 in that list, only 4 have bowled more than 10 innings. And the top 4 placegetters have a grand total of 15 wickets between them - which is approximately half what Cummins took just in the Ashes series. LOL. This is the worst straw man attempt I have ever seen. Good luck with this. "Runs matter and Shane Warne scored 6 times as many as Brad Hodge, clearly Shane was the better batsman :)" I'm not even going to debate with you further. You will just waste my time sadly at this level. If you want a statistical or analytical education, I will not be providing you one for free. Good night. And good luck. Nawwww I was enjoying our chat!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. My gut feeling is that Smith will continue to have a poor Summer, by his standards. So maybe the spinners will have his number. Stranger things have happened! How do you see NZ batters handling Cummins and Hazlewood? Im not worried about Australia's bowlers. I am worried about score board pressure on our batsmen and our bowlers not getting your batsmen out. I really don't rate the Aus attack as highly as India's or SA's. They're good. They're not special. Even though Cummins has by far and away the most test wickets this year (51 from 19 innings), clear from Broad by a margin of 13? At an average of 20.31? The best for India is Shami with 33 from 16 innings at 16.66. Rabada has 26 from 12 at 28.19. Hazlewood and Starc have 32 and 31 wickets apiece and Lyon has 35. The only other Indian in the top 10 is Ishant with 25 from 12 at 15.56. Good averages, I'll grant you, but it's wickets that count at the end of the day. Broad? Lol. Everyone on here knows I think he's totally rubbish. Cummins is a good bowler. But he only one bowler. The rest are like Wagner level and not special - or worse. I rate Rabada, Ngidi, Philander, et al highly, and Shami, Sharma, Bumrah Jadeja et al for India highly. I pretty much think Aus entirely sucks away from home and deserves no respect when both India and SA beat them at home. Tbh. :) When you win an away series, talk to me about your attack. In the meantime - I worry about your batsmen on flat pitches... you want real stats... here are real stats... | View overall figures [change view] | | Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 4 dec 2019 | | Ordered by bowling average (ascending) |
I know Australians dont understand it, but a lot of us outside Aus or media sycophancy - do not rate your bowlers - and think your bowlers caused sandpapergate by sucking compared to SA's. They have height and pace - good for Aus, but they suck everywhere else, hence why Aus has not won away since NZ gave you roads in 2015/16. Accept it, many non AUstralians and non-media pandering to rich big 3 - don't rate your attack as highly as SA or Indias. Not even close. They beat you home and away. Its a no brainer. Just look at Bumrah, Yadav, etiher Yadav - pick one, Shami and Sharma, what are you talking about with Cummins? LOL! ;) Cummins is a great bowler. But get real dude... :) OK by that reckoning, you agree that Stone is currently the best bowler in the world? With 3 wickets for the year? And that Mitch Marsh is a better bowler than Sharma? Of the top 20 in that list, only 4 have bowled more than 10 innings. And the top 4 placegetters have a grand total of 15 wickets between them - which is approximately half what Cummins took just in the Ashes series. LOL. This is the worst straw man attempt I have ever seen. Good luck with this. "Runs matter and Shane Warne scored 6 times as many as Brad Hodge, clearly Shane was the better batsman :)" I'm not even going to debate with you further. You will just waste my time sadly at this level. If you want a statistical or analytical education, I will not be providing you one for free. Good night. And good luck. Nawwww I was enjoying our chat! Bobbie dont make the mistake of getting into debate with Paddles as it will turn into a free for all. He clearly dislikes (unlike several of his countrymen I am acquainted with) anything about Australian cricket and loves putting in the boot at any give chance. So if Australia kicks the Black Caps bum next month I will be ruthless with my post mortem. So lucky you.. seeing two pinkie Test days live. What is that setting you back? Last time I saw a live Test I almost roasted under the sweltering summer sun at the SCG. We had requested undercover seating but when we arrived we were in the concourse. I spent half the day applying sun screen and trying to stay cool. At one stage we spent some time in the peasants room.. full of chairs and table and one large tv screen.. and those rowdy, drunken Richies that had also invaded the place to avoid the heat.
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I'm getting a hint of excuse making already lol, and the talk changing noticeably in tone, which seems strange. The Kiwis are a real chance IMO, this is the best chance they've had in many years. They are a good team, I guess we're about to see how good. The first one is their best chance, they could kick the series off in their favour. I still have Aus favourites (either here or in NZ we would be favourites) but it should be a good series.
I hope when they get to the MCG they provide a better wicket than they have been dishing up recently.
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+xI'm getting a hint of excuse making already lol, and the talk changing noticeably in tone, which seems strange. The Kiwis are a real chance IMO, this is the best chance they've had in many years. They are a good team, I guess we're about to see how good. The first one is their best chance, they could kick the series off in their favour. I still have Aus favourites (either here or in NZ we would be favourites) but it should be a good series. I hope when they get to the MCG they provide a better wicket than they have been dishing up recently. NZ's a good team - no doubt. Much better than all the euro teams in Asia lately. You wont see NZ folding to SL or Pak like Aus did in Asia. But NZ suck in Aus on your bouncy roads. And with Smith and Warner back - we will have no answer in the bowling department. Aus to score 400/500/600+ regularly. Aus hands down favourites. But still not a better team internationally, or you would actually not get thrashed in Asia everywhere :)
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+x+xI'm getting a hint of excuse making already lol, and the talk changing noticeably in tone, which seems strange. The Kiwis are a real chance IMO, this is the best chance they've had in many years. They are a good team, I guess we're about to see how good. The first one is their best chance, they could kick the series off in their favour. I still have Aus favourites (either here or in NZ we would be favourites) but it should be a good series. I hope when they get to the MCG they provide a better wicket than they have been dishing up recently. I am a realist. Try not to let my heart rule my head. I will always be a parochial Australian supporter but when I team poses a threat I admit it. The Black Caps pose us a threat. I will tell you why I think that. Firstly their record over the past 3 years is very good.. home and away. Better than ours. Our advantage is we are playing in familiar conditions. Due to changing our traditional pitches to drop ins we had to adapt to slower, lower bouncing decks (roads)..and we have become very good home track bullies as a result. The First Test will be anyones match.. The Kiwis attack is disciplined and their strike pair are competent at moving the ball both in the air and off the deck. Even more dangerous under lites. Their back up bowlers will give nothing away also so the Aussie batsmen must be at the top of their game. The MCG shud be a happy hunting ground for Australia while the SCG will suit spin..as CA seems to want at least one turning deck per series. Victory may well depend on who takes the best spin attack into the game. Boult and Southee wont find swing bar the evening session at Perth if the ball is new when they get it. So I wouldn't worry about that. If you were facing them in England - you'd have a real problem, though. Noone knows who the back up bowlers will be besides Wagner, could be Fergo, Henry or some lame duck spin allrounder. So this far out - noone knows. NZ gets no warm up game at all. Seriously. Not a single one. They arrive in Perth, get some training sessions and play a test. LOL. NZ isn't sending its best two spinners over - so don't worry about the spin attack that has given us much pride in Asia lately, they're not in the squad. And your drop ins are not slow. They are fast as heck. A slow pitch is a tough pitch to bat on cos the ball grabs and deviates, laterally and speed after bouncing variably, a fast pitch easier to time and rely on. I know that sounds backwards, but its the truth. Roads are fast, offroads are slow... :P Dustbowls or greenies with Dukes, I'd def favour NZ, but on roads, I favour Aus. But teams without India or Safricas bowling attack need those big centuries, NZ will need some double centuries from Watling, Williamson and Taylor too to get draws on your roads.
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+x+x+xI'm getting a hint of excuse making already lol, and the talk changing noticeably in tone, which seems strange. The Kiwis are a real chance IMO, this is the best chance they've had in many years. They are a good team, I guess we're about to see how good. The first one is their best chance, they could kick the series off in their favour. I still have Aus favourites (either here or in NZ we would be favourites) but it should be a good series. I hope when they get to the MCG they provide a better wicket than they have been dishing up recently. I am a realist. Try not to let my heart rule my head. I will always be a parochial Australian supporter but when I team poses a threat I admit it. The Black Caps pose us a threat. I will tell you why I think that. Firstly their record over the past 3 years is very good.. home and away. Better than ours. Our advantage is we are playing in familiar conditions. Due to changing our traditional pitches to drop ins we had to adapt to slower, lower bouncing decks (roads)..and we have become very good home track bullies as a result. The First Test will be anyones match.. The Kiwis attack is disciplined and their strike pair are competent at moving the ball both in the air and off the deck. Even more dangerous under lites. Their back up bowlers will give nothing away also so the Aussie batsmen must be at the top of their game. The MCG shud be a happy hunting ground for Australia while the SCG will suit spin..as CA seems to want at least one turning deck per series. Victory may well depend on who takes the best spin attack into the game. And your drop ins are not slow. They are fast as heck. A slow pitch is a tough pitch to bat on cos the ball grabs and deviates, laterally and speed after bouncing variably, a fast pitch easier to time and rely on. I know that sounds backwards, but its the truth. Roads are fast, offroads are slow... :P The MCG says hello. No pace, no bounce, no seam, no swing, no spin and no enjoyment.....for fans or players. Maybe a bit of uneven bounce if you're lucky. That's how it's been in recent times anyway. It's the reason we are only 9-1-0 over the poms instead of 10-0-0. That pitch was particularly awful to the extent it was simply unreasonable to expect a result between two international standard teams on such a wicket.
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+x+x+x+xI'm getting a hint of excuse making already lol, and the talk changing noticeably in tone, which seems strange. The Kiwis are a real chance IMO, this is the best chance they've had in many years. They are a good team, I guess we're about to see how good. The first one is their best chance, they could kick the series off in their favour. I still have Aus favourites (either here or in NZ we would be favourites) but it should be a good series. I hope when they get to the MCG they provide a better wicket than they have been dishing up recently. I am a realist. Try not to let my heart rule my head. I will always be a parochial Australian supporter but when I team poses a threat I admit it. The Black Caps pose us a threat. I will tell you why I think that. Firstly their record over the past 3 years is very good.. home and away. Better than ours. Our advantage is we are playing in familiar conditions. Due to changing our traditional pitches to drop ins we had to adapt to slower, lower bouncing decks (roads)..and we have become very good home track bullies as a result. The First Test will be anyones match.. The Kiwis attack is disciplined and their strike pair are competent at moving the ball both in the air and off the deck. Even more dangerous under lites. Their back up bowlers will give nothing away also so the Aussie batsmen must be at the top of their game. The MCG shud be a happy hunting ground for Australia while the SCG will suit spin..as CA seems to want at least one turning deck per series. Victory may well depend on who takes the best spin attack into the game. And your drop ins are not slow. They are fast as heck. A slow pitch is a tough pitch to bat on cos the ball grabs and deviates, laterally and speed after bouncing variably, a fast pitch easier to time and rely on. I know that sounds backwards, but its the truth. Roads are fast, offroads are slow... :P The MCG says hello. No pace, no bounce, no seam, no swing, no spin and no enjoyment.....for fans or players. Maybe a bit of uneven bounce if you're lucky. That's how it's been in recent times anyway. It's the reason we are only 9-1-0 over the poms instead of 10-0-0. That pitch was particularly awful to the extent it was simply unreasonable to expect a result between two international standard teams on such a wicket. MCG has pace. Especially on a world standard. Its not slow. Read my post again. Pace is a batsman's friend. Slow is not. Hobart is your slowest pitch. Slow is difficult to bat on, fast glass is easy... Aussie pitches are fast and bouncy. Higher bounce is the issue for foreign batsmen to get used to. I wouldn't use the poms as an example as Mitch Marsh was making ton after ton on your roads, I think Cook just found some form in one game.
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Yeah, the ball has been coming onto the bat beautifully at the mcg in recent times (sarcasm).
I was using the more standard physics definition of pace, as a measure of distance covered in a period of time. I forgot about that other non standard cricket forums definition "whatever supports your opinion" lol.
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+xYeah, the ball has been coming onto the bat beautifully at the mcg in recent times (sarcasm). I was using the more standard physics definition of pace, as a measure of distance covered in a period of time. I forgot about that other non standard cricket forums definition "whatever supports your opinion" lol. yeah - Im using the same definition. Pace is easier than slow. Its bounce on ultra fast pitches that is the problem at old WACA and SABINA.... But if you dont know slow is a tough batting pitch, you really aint been watching much Tasmania, England or Asian cricket... :P
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So there's no such thing as a pitch that "does nothing"? Interesting take.
Ah well, I just hope that pacey demon of an mcg pitch (surely the scourge of keepers with it's pace and carry) actually has something that won't have fans (and players) falling asleep this time. If it is remotely like the pitch against the poms, CA should think of playing boxing day matches elsewhere for the good of the game in this country despite the gate.
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"The MCG pitch used for the Boxing Day Ashes Test has been rated poor by the International Cricket Council. The heavily-criticised surface produced a dull draw, with minimal pace and bounce on offer and a lack of deterioration thwarting England’s attempts to force a first win of the series." https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/jan/02/mcg-pitch-rated-poor-icc-ashes-test
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Will be interesting to see what the Optus Stadium pitch dishes up. Last year for the India test, Sharma, Shami, Kohli and Lyon were all on the money.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. My gut feeling is that Smith will continue to have a poor Summer, by his standards. So maybe the spinners will have his number. Stranger things have happened! How do you see NZ batters handling Cummins and Hazlewood? Im not worried about Australia's bowlers. I am worried about score board pressure on our batsmen and our bowlers not getting your batsmen out. I really don't rate the Aus attack as highly as India's or SA's. They're good. They're not special. Even though Cummins has by far and away the most test wickets this year (51 from 19 innings), clear from Broad by a margin of 13? At an average of 20.31? The best for India is Shami with 33 from 16 innings at 16.66. Rabada has 26 from 12 at 28.19. Hazlewood and Starc have 32 and 31 wickets apiece and Lyon has 35. The only other Indian in the top 10 is Ishant with 25 from 12 at 15.56. Good averages, I'll grant you, but it's wickets that count at the end of the day. Broad? Lol. Everyone on here knows I think he's totally rubbish. Cummins is a good bowler. But he only one bowler. The rest are like Wagner level and not special - or worse. I rate Rabada, Ngidi, Philander, et al highly, and Shami, Sharma, Bumrah Jadeja et al for India highly. I pretty much think Aus entirely sucks away from home and deserves no respect when both India and SA beat them at home. Tbh. :) When you win an away series, talk to me about your attack. In the meantime - I worry about your batsmen on flat pitches... you want real stats... here are real stats... | View overall figures [change view] | | Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 4 dec 2019 | | Ordered by bowling average (ascending) |
I know Australians dont understand it, but a lot of us outside Aus or media sycophancy - do not rate your bowlers - and think your bowlers caused sandpapergate by sucking compared to SA's. They have height and pace - good for Aus, but they suck everywhere else, hence why Aus has not won away since NZ gave you roads in 2015/16. Accept it, many non AUstralians and non-media pandering to rich big 3 - don't rate your attack as highly as SA or Indias. Not even close. They beat you home and away. Its a no brainer. Just look at Bumrah, Yadav, etiher Yadav - pick one, Shami and Sharma, what are you talking about with Cummins? LOL! ;) Cummins is a great bowler. But get real dude... :) OK by that reckoning, you agree that Stone is currently the best bowler in the world? With 3 wickets for the year? And that Mitch Marsh is a better bowler than Sharma? Of the top 20 in that list, only 4 have bowled more than 10 innings. And the top 4 placegetters have a grand total of 15 wickets between them - which is approximately half what Cummins took just in the Ashes series. LOL. This is the worst straw man attempt I have ever seen. Good luck with this. "Runs matter and Shane Warne scored 6 times as many as Brad Hodge, clearly Shane was the better batsman :)" I'm not even going to debate with you further. You will just waste my time sadly at this level. If you want a statistical or analytical education, I will not be providing you one for free. Good night. And good luck. Nawwww I was enjoying our chat! Bobbie dont make the mistake of getting into debate with Paddles as it will turn into a free for all. He clearly dislikes (unlike several of his countrymen I am acquainted with) anything about Australian cricket and loves putting in the boot at any give chance. So if Australia kicks the Black Caps bum next month I will be ruthless with my post mortem. So lucky you.. seeing two pinkie Test days live. What is that setting you back? Last time I saw a live Test I almost roasted under the sweltering summer sun at the SCG. We had requested undercover seating but when we arrived we were in the concourse. I spent half the day applying sun screen and trying to stay cool. At one stage we spent some time in the peasants room.. full of chairs and table and one large tv screen.. and those rowdy, drunken Richies that had also invaded the place to avoid the heat. You know I foolishly didn't even think of the sun when I bought my ticket! Just wanted to get as close to the action as possible. Forecast isn't out yet for Thurs but it's 39 for Wednesday. On day 1 I'll be next to the sight screen in row 2 on the South East part of the ground, so pretty much in the full sun for most of the late afternoon. So, long-on / 3rd man-ish. That set me back $80. Then on day 3 I'm taking the kids to the alcohol free zone next to members on the North West side, so possibly some shade there. Those tickets were $50 a pop. Luckily I'm not one who enjoys fancy dinners and fast cars! I'll leave that to Shane Warne. Although doesn't he prefer a bag of chips in his ferrari?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. My gut feeling is that Smith will continue to have a poor Summer, by his standards. So maybe the spinners will have his number. Stranger things have happened! How do you see NZ batters handling Cummins and Hazlewood? Im not worried about Australia's bowlers. I am worried about score board pressure on our batsmen and our bowlers not getting your batsmen out. I really don't rate the Aus attack as highly as India's or SA's. They're good. They're not special. Even though Cummins has by far and away the most test wickets this year (51 from 19 innings), clear from Broad by a margin of 13? At an average of 20.31? The best for India is Shami with 33 from 16 innings at 16.66. Rabada has 26 from 12 at 28.19. Hazlewood and Starc have 32 and 31 wickets apiece and Lyon has 35. The only other Indian in the top 10 is Ishant with 25 from 12 at 15.56. Good averages, I'll grant you, but it's wickets that count at the end of the day. Broad? Lol. Everyone on here knows I think he's totally rubbish. Cummins is a good bowler. But he only one bowler. The rest are like Wagner level and not special - or worse. I rate Rabada, Ngidi, Philander, et al highly, and Shami, Sharma, Bumrah Jadeja et al for India highly. I pretty much think Aus entirely sucks away from home and deserves no respect when both India and SA beat them at home. Tbh. :) When you win an away series, talk to me about your attack. In the meantime - I worry about your batsmen on flat pitches... you want real stats... here are real stats... | View overall figures [change view] | | Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 4 dec 2019 | | Ordered by bowling average (ascending) |
I know Australians dont understand it, but a lot of us outside Aus or media sycophancy - do not rate your bowlers - and think your bowlers caused sandpapergate by sucking compared to SA's. They have height and pace - good for Aus, but they suck everywhere else, hence why Aus has not won away since NZ gave you roads in 2015/16. Accept it, many non AUstralians and non-media pandering to rich big 3 - don't rate your attack as highly as SA or Indias. Not even close. They beat you home and away. Its a no brainer. Just look at Bumrah, Yadav, etiher Yadav - pick one, Shami and Sharma, what are you talking about with Cummins? LOL! ;) Cummins is a great bowler. But get real dude... :) OK by that reckoning, you agree that Stone is currently the best bowler in the world? With 3 wickets for the year? And that Mitch Marsh is a better bowler than Sharma? Of the top 20 in that list, only 4 have bowled more than 10 innings. And the top 4 placegetters have a grand total of 15 wickets between them - which is approximately half what Cummins took just in the Ashes series. LOL. This is the worst straw man attempt I have ever seen. Good luck with this. "Runs matter and Shane Warne scored 6 times as many as Brad Hodge, clearly Shane was the better batsman :)" I'm not even going to debate with you further. You will just waste my time sadly at this level. If you want a statistical or analytical education, I will not be providing you one for free. Good night. And good luck. Nawwww I was enjoying our chat! Bobbie dont make the mistake of getting into debate with Paddles as it will turn into a free for all. He clearly dislikes (unlike several of his countrymen I am acquainted with) anything about Australian cricket and loves putting in the boot at any give chance. So if Australia kicks the Black Caps bum next month I will be ruthless with my post mortem. So lucky you.. seeing two pinkie Test days live. What is that setting you back? Last time I saw a live Test I almost roasted under the sweltering summer sun at the SCG. We had requested undercover seating but when we arrived we were in the concourse. I spent half the day applying sun screen and trying to stay cool. At one stage we spent some time in the peasants room.. full of chairs and table and one large tv screen.. and those rowdy, drunken Richies that had also invaded the place to avoid the heat. You know I foolishly didn't even think of the sun when I bought my ticket! Just wanted to get as close to the action as possible. Forecast isn't out yet for Thurs but it's 39 for Wednesday. On day 1 I'll be next to the sight screen in row 2 on the South East part of the ground, so pretty much in the full sun for most of the late afternoon. So, long-on / 3rd man-ish. That set me back $80. Then on day 3 I'm taking the kids to the alcohol free zone next to members on the North West side, so possibly some shade there. Those tickets were $50 a pop. Luckily I'm not one who enjoys fancy dinners and fast cars! I'll leave that to Shane Warne. Although doesn't he prefer a bag of chips in his ferrari? good on you for taking the kids. i know the money comes tv and advertising, so there is no need for these high ticket prices when they could simply sell it out for a fiver and make the same and abetter tv product, but good on you :)
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+xWill be interesting to see what the Optus Stadium pitch dishes up. Last year for the India test, Sharma, Shami, Kohli and Lyon were all on the money. Yes, throw a pink ball and lights into that equation and anything could happen. Their (fast) bowling is not very likely to keep up with us in our normal flat dry conditions (unlike India), so anything that veers from this will increase their chances. I notice they are already advertising day 5 as a gold coin donation for entry. Seems they'e not confident of it going the distance.
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+x+xWill be interesting to see what the Optus Stadium pitch dishes up. Last year for the India test, Sharma, Shami, Kohli and Lyon were all on the money. Yes, throw a pink ball and lights into that equation and anything could happen. Their (fast) bowling is not very likely to keep up with us in our normal flat dry conditions (unlike India), so anything that veers from this will increase their chances. I notice they are already advertising day 5 as a gold coin donation for entry. Seems they'e not confident of it going the distance. Whoever wins the toss will be very happy to bat first. 40 deg forecast for day 1.
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+xWill be interesting to see what the Optus Stadium pitch dishes up. Last year for the India test, Sharma, Shami, Kohli and Lyon were all on the money. Perth Stadium produced a cracker of a last test from memory. It had bounce and carry similar to the old WACA which surprised many as it is also a NOTORIOUS drop in. like the dreaded MCG.
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+x+x+x+x+xI'm getting a hint of excuse making already lol, and the talk changing noticeably in tone, which seems strange. The Kiwis are a real chance IMO, this is the best chance they've had in many years. They are a good team, I guess we're about to see how good. The first one is their best chance, they could kick the series off in their favour. I still have Aus favourites (either here or in NZ we would be favourites) but it should be a good series. I hope when they get to the MCG they provide a better wicket than they have been dishing up recently. I am a realist. Try not to let my heart rule my head. I will always be a parochial Australian supporter but when I team poses a threat I admit it. The Black Caps pose us a threat. I will tell you why I think that. Firstly their record over the past 3 years is very good.. home and away. Better than ours. Our advantage is we are playing in familiar conditions. Due to changing our traditional pitches to drop ins we had to adapt to slower, lower bouncing decks (roads)..and we have become very good home track bullies as a result. The First Test will be anyones match.. The Kiwis attack is disciplined and their strike pair are competent at moving the ball both in the air and off the deck. Even more dangerous under lites. Their back up bowlers will give nothing away also so the Aussie batsmen must be at the top of their game. The MCG shud be a happy hunting ground for Australia while the SCG will suit spin..as CA seems to want at least one turning deck per series. Victory may well depend on who takes the best spin attack into the game. And your drop ins are not slow. They are fast as heck. A slow pitch is a tough pitch to bat on cos the ball grabs and deviates, laterally and speed after bouncing variably, a fast pitch easier to time and rely on. I know that sounds backwards, but its the truth. Roads are fast, offroads are slow... :P The MCG says hello. No pace, no bounce, no seam, no swing, no spin and no enjoyment.....for fans or players. Maybe a bit of uneven bounce if you're lucky. That's how it's been in recent times anyway. It's the reason we are only 9-1-0 over the poms instead of 10-0-0. That pitch was particularly awful to the extent it was simply unreasonable to expect a result between two international standard teams on such a wicket. MCG has pace. Especially on a world standard. Its not slow. Read my post again. Pace is a batsman's friend. Slow is not. Hobart is your slowest pitch. Slow is difficult to bat on, fast glass is easy... Aussie pitches are fast and bouncy. Higher bounce is the issue for foreign batsmen to get used to. I wouldn't use the poms as an example as Mitch Marsh was making ton after ton on your roads, I think Cook just found some form in one game. Rubbish.. MCG is a road of all roads. A disgrace to cricket. The Gabba has pace the Waca has pace.. the Perth Stadium has surprising pace.. but the MCG is a bloody hiway.
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