AUS v NZ 3rd Test


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baggygreenmania - 3 Jan 2020 1:14 PM
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You will fit in over on WP grazor.

Where are all the IC members talking cricket. We really to recruit some more people. Bobbie seems to have abandoned us.

I tried to recruit a few from Whirlpool. 

Given what they’ve posted lately, I’m glad they didn’t come. 

I’m not sure where regulars TB, JJ and FS are? 

We have lost regulars from FTBL Forum, like Red Kat, Quickflick, City Sam, Lastbroadcast and sometime posters like LFC after the Ashes too. 
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Astle is landing his googly well. 
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Decentric - 3 Jan 2020 3:41 PM
baggygreenmania - 3 Jan 2020 3:24 PM

Labu has scored a lot faster than Smith. 

They seem to be using a conventional field to Labu, whereas they go round the wicket and bowl short to Smith - devoid of slip! 

When Smith hooks he looks funny to me. He doesn’t quickly get onto the back foot like a classical hooker, such as Ponting. Smith seems to hook neither on the front or back foot. 

Baggers? 

Yes correct DC. He is not the traditional hooker or puller. There is nothing classical in either. But they are usually effective.
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baggygreenmania - 3 Jan 2020 4:03 PM
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Yes correct DC. He is not the traditional hooker or puller. There is nothing classical in either. But they are usually effective.

Our new run machine..and Steve Smith clone.. with his fourth century of his brief career.
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went out to see a friend and my prediction is looking silly 2-220!
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baggygreenmania - 3 Jan 2020 1:46 PM
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What makes it likely to spread. I am saying ban it now.. before it takes over like a bloody cancer on our game.

the fact that its the only tactic that has had some success against smith makes it more likely for other teams to try it. Indeed they need to cut it out
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baggygreenmania - 3 Jan 2020 4:31 PM
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Our new run machine..and Steve Smith clone.. with his fourth century of his brief career.

he's certainly got the light saber leaves down pat!
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grazorblade - 3 Jan 2020 4:35 PM
went out to see a friend and my prediction is looking silly 2-220!

what prediction is that?
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baggygreenmania - 3 Jan 2020 4:39 PM
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what prediction is that?

that its a spongy pitch with a limited sideways movement for the seamers

you often see a lot of players on these pitches get a start then get out for a middling score (say between 20 and 80) 
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grazorblade - 3 Jan 2020 4:37 PM
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the fact that its the only tactic that has had some success against smith makes it more likely for other teams to try it. Indeed they need to cut it out

It does not worry me as much if it is used exclusively against  Smith. 

A pundit elucidated figures where he has struggled as batter, comparatively, since Archer bit him in the head in The Ashes. 
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2-232 is a little over 3 per over, thus far, so I am quite satisfied. 

Smith said on Fox there is already inconsistent bounce. 

Review for Labu being out off Somerville.
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Decentric - 3 Jan 2020 4:48 PM
2-232 is a little over 3 am over, thus far, so I am quite satisfied. 

Smith said on Fox there is already inconsistent bounce. 

well normally pitches like this the batsmen are never really in and can spoon the occasional delivery in the air. Its an incredibly dominant position
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grazorblade - 3 Jan 2020 4:50 PM
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well normally pitches like this the batsmen are never really in and can spoon the occasional delivery in the air. Its an incredibly dominant position

I'd rather a pitch with some encouragement  for bowlers than roads.

We are  probably in a good position then.

Phew! Labu stays in.

Smith is not what he was to watch as a batter in the middle of the year.



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the live averages of these two make for some pretty reading

61 and 63!
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grazorblade - 3 Jan 2020 4:42 PM
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that its a spongy pitch with a limited sideways movement for the seamers

you often see a lot of players on these pitches get a start then get out for a middling score (say between 20 and 80) 

Limited sideways movement is sufficient to get a good player dismissed. It is spongy.. not much bounce. Will it turn later on. Surely if CA expected that they'd have picked Swepson.
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Decentric - 3 Jan 2020 4:46 PM
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It does not worry me as much if it is used exclusively against  Smith. 

A pundit elucidated figures where he has struggled as batter, comparatively, since Archer bit him in the head in The Ashes. 

I maintain the same that that Archer clonk has affected him mentally. 
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smith falls to the new ball getting bang on his average of 63
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baggygreenmania - 3 Jan 2020 5:06 PM
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Limited sideways movement is sufficient to get a good player dismissed. It is spongy.. not much bounce. Will it turn later on. Surely if CA expected that they'd have picked Swepson.

yeah it looks like its not too hard a pitch to get a start but you are never really in on.

Unless you are labu, then you are in on any pitch
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wade gets himself in an awkward position on the 6th ball of that degrandhomme over but shows ponting like reflexes to get out of trouble

its a shame he's not younger, he has such good hand eye coordination. If he could develop his game he could be really special

I remember him getting beaten a few times in England only to use exceptional reflexes to save himself
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grazorblade - 3 Jan 2020 5:15 PM
smith falls to the new ball getting bang on his average of 63

That was a very un Smith like dismissal. He does not looked as mentally tuned in  to me. I'd have expected Burns, Mitch marsh or Head to play that shot not SPUD
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baggygreenmania - 3 Jan 2020 5:40 PM
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That was a very un Smith like dismissal. He does not looked as mentally tuned in  to me. I'd have expected Burns, Mitch marsh or Head to play that shot not SPUD

Craddock just said that since Archer clocked Smith his average against the short ball has dropped from a ridiculous @90 to about @30. That backs up what I have been saying. He was mentally shot by that hit.
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baggygreenmania - 3 Jan 2020 6:01 PM
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Craddock just said that since Archer clocked Smith his average against short balls has dropped to @20. That backs up what I have been saying. He was mentally shot by that hit.

Correlation does not imply causation. I am far from convinced that this is remotely conclusive of mental frailty post being hit by Archer. After Smith was sconed, he came back vs England - got some short stuff, and scored 221 and 82. The bowlers who got him were spinners Root and Leech.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19430/scorecard/1152849/england-vs-australia-4th-test-icc-world-test-championship-2019-2021

No wickets to the short ball there.

Next test he makes 80 and is lbw to Woakes. Lbw is not a short ball.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19430/scorecard/1152850/england-vs-australia-5th-test-icc-world-test-championship-2019-2021

Broad gets him in the second innings - but off a length ball:

Broad to Smith, OUTgone, the plan works! Caught at leg gully! Steve Smith is out, ladies and gents, and he hasn't even got fifty! Length ball, no great menace in it, Smith looks to tickle it round the corner, and Stokes dives low to his left at leg gully to take a sharp catch. England are ecstatic, and are surely now in the box seat to square the seriesSPD Smith c Stokes b Broad 23 (88m 53b 4x4 0x6) SR: 43.39

Still no wickets out to the short ball... since the Archer hit...

Pakistan first test:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19430/scorecard/1183530/australia-vs-pakistan-1st-test-icc-world-test-championship-2019-2021

Yasir Shah - the leggie gets him...

Second test - Shaheen gets him...

Shaheen Shah Afridi to Smith, OUThe's edged behind having a big swing! Round the wicket, a full delivery outside off, Smith aiming a huge hoick over the leg side and gets a thin inside edge to the keeper


So that is still no dismissals since Archer to the short ball.

Then along comes Wagner... who had done it to him once before and many many more batsmen besides Smith...

I am not going to count how many short balls Stokes, Archer, and Broad gave Smith in England in the 4th and 5th test, but I remember plenty. Plenty. 

Either way, no short ball has gotten Smith bar those bowled by Wagner since Archer sconed him, including all those bowled in 4 test previous. Smith has been out to 4 short balls since Archer sconed him. It's all Wagner's wickets. All 4 of them. Until then - it was business as usual for Smith in not getting out to short balls. And he scored those nigh 80 runs somewhere cos they weren't many off Wagner's short balls.

The cause for Smith? Is it Archer? Is it a coincidence? Is it Wagner? Is it a left armer doing it? Has he always had a problem with the short stuff only known by Wagner and NZ? How much did Shaheen give him around the chin in the second test? Anything? Is it the field set for Wagner? 

But there is nothing conclusive presented that I see from Craddock.

I will say one thing, Smith can expect a lot more of it next year vs India if he makes runs. Shami or Yadav - maybe Bumrah to dish it up. I bet they wish they had a gun left armer, though. Which could well be the most critical factor of all... Left arm spin is Smith's biggest weakness (if you can call it that), and while he has not had to play many good left arm seamers, Wagner, Boult and Shaheen do have Smith noticeably well below his career average. Smith has however plundered many mediocre left armers like that Pakistani medium pacer from a few years ago. I just notice Southee as a right armer when bowling short, didn't get Smith, did he really trouble him? I don't think so, Smith pulled him last test iirc. But Southee is nowhere near as skiddy or as good at it as Neil.






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Going to be a tough day in the field this. Temps predicted to reach 46 deg in the west, but only 35 deg in the city. Sometimes that can be worse, it's usually more humid and can be stifling.

Aussies in a good position again. After day 1 in each test match so far...

4 - 248
4 - 257
3 - 283

Also, good luck to those in our fire affected areas. It could be a tough day, it's been ordinary up to this point, hope we get some rain soon.



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Sorry about the double post ^. No idea how it happened, but can't fix it as the edit function isn't working.
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You saying the FTP is not organised by the ICC  committee but instead by the boards of member nations. That the ICC only prints the program? If that is the case then I was incorrect. But how the hell is anyone to know that unless they have inside info.. I see ICC on top of the  FTP and assume it makes the program.. anybody wud do the same. Makes you think then what use do the ICC play. The MCC .. as I understand are the actual caretakers of the sport. They make the rules and such. So what the hell use is the ICC. They certainly work slow furthering the game. . More than 120 yrs of Test cricket and yet there is still only a piddling 12 Test playing nations.. and it was 10 up to two years ago. There are some 92 nations playing cricket.. so ICC you are as useful as tits on a bull.

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flyslip - 4 Jan 2020 9:57 AM
Going to be a tough day in the field this. Temps predicted to reach 46 deg in the west, but only 35 deg in the city. Sometimes that can be worse, it's usually more humid and can be stifling.

Aussies in a good position again. After day 1 in each test match so far...

4 - 248
4 - 257
3 - 283

Also, good luck to those in our fire affected areas. It could be a tough day, it's been ordinary up to this point, hope we get some rain soon.



often in bowler friendly conditions too!
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grazorblade - 4 Jan 2020 10:09 AM
flyslip - 4 Jan 2020 9:57 AM

often in bowler friendly conditions too!

Yes only 35 in the CBD and surrounds but that is hot enuff to make things uncomfortable for the Kiwis in the field. So our plan of attack will be to bat deep into the day and cook em. There is,tho, the very likelihood of smoke haze disruptions.
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often in bowler friendly conditions too!

Yeah, it stands out that the kiwis lack a good quality strike bowler to get wickets with the new ball. Way over reliant on Wagner's short stuff that they seem to go to rather early.
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lots of aggression early! And we lose a wicket.

Not sure why the agression is needed. I'd rather us bat forever in this heat
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I wonder if smiths form slump is due to his team-mates doing well

he is excellent when our backs are against the wall but may drop off a bit when we dominate
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