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+x+xWhat I find very odd is for Conservatives to rally around Trump. They're completely incompatible. What I find odd is how accepting Trump voters are of anything Trump says or does when he clearly gets caught out. Take that health care plan he has been crapping on about for 4 years. They were going to repeal and replace Obamacare with something better. Firstly they haven't but secondly when interrogated about it it is clear he hasn't got the faintest clue about it. And yet people with TDS will vehemently agree that Obamacare has to go and what Trump is doing us better. Baffling. My uncle was a nurse in Texas and he actually believed and still believes this.
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+xWhat I find very odd is for Conservatives to rally around Trump. They're completely incompatible. What I find odd is how accepting Trump voters are of anything Trump says or does when he clearly gets caught out. Take that health care plan he has been crapping on about for 4 years. They were going to repeal and replace Obamacare with something better. Firstly they haven't but secondly when interrogated about it it is clear he hasn't got the faintest clue about it. And yet people with TDS will vehemently agree that Obamacare has to go and what Trump is doing us better. Baffling.
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+xWhat I find very odd is for Conservatives to rally around Trump. They're completely incompatible. They don't see it. Trump is the complete opposite of them but they're so blinded by it.
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What I find very odd is for Conservatives to rally around Trump. They're completely incompatible.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI think the main takeaway is that there's an argument about what the best strategy is based on the countries' particular set of circumstances, their climate, their culture, their medical systems, their ability to track and trace. There's no argument that some countries have fucked it up. The UK, Brazil, Italy, Spain and shock horror the US. Anyone defending the US's response is a moron. How have those countries fucked it up? COVID was already entrenched in those countries before anyone was even aware of it. They saw the shit hitting the fan, locked down hard for months, enforced social distancing, enforced mask wearing, and they’re still getting their asses kicked. The takeaway is this is a global pandemic without a vaccine or cure, there isn’t anything anyone can really do to make it go away until such time that a vaccine or cure is developed, which could take years. What should’ve Trump done that he didn’t do? Forced the whole country into lock down, an approach the WHO now decries? Would that have contained the virus? Probably not. What about national mask wearing strategy? Would that have contained the virus? Probably not. What about national goggle and hazmat wearing strategy? Other than closing the border to China, which he did, stocking hospitals with masks and ventilators, and providing trillions in aid to keeping the economy afloat, there isn’t much he could’ve done that would’ve made a huge difference in terms of infections and deaths in the long run. And why does Trump cop all the blame when it’s state governors have their own powers to force lock downs and mask mandates?
You understand this is political right? It’s an election year and the Dems are doing their darndest to blame Trump for the loss of 200 million (Biden’s words) Americans.
Too many things to rebut so I'll just leave these corkers to debunk one of your talking points. https://www.genengnews.com/a-lists/blinking-red-25-missed-pandemic-warning-signs/https://www.ajc.com/news/obama-warned-pandemic-threat-2014-but-republicans-blocked-funding/dh2H9HxiuBY05T5uPqtqpI/https://couriernewsroom.com/2020/04/14/obama-prepared-for-a-potential-pandemic-trump-gutted-his-work/Also this. From his propaganda channel too so you can't whinge about that. https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-china-us-flights-430000-peopleSo before you crap on about what Trump did or didn't do how about you do a little research? Is that what you’ve been reduced to Muz? Cutting and pasting from biased left wing sources rather than formulating your own arguments? I expected better of you Muz, rather than stooping to this level of intellectual laziness. I actually think you're not well. I will take that as an admission that either you’re too lazy or too stupid to formulate your own arguments so you have resorted to cutting and pasting shitty biased left wing links and when that fails resorting to petty ad hominem attacks. If you're too dumb to read rebuttals to your own talking points then I can't help you. On the plus side anyone else reading this will see you for what you are. You know I've read of older people and others being 'lost' to fox news and qanon conspiracies but I never thought I'd interact with one. And yet here we are. #sad You know he'll read this and it will go over his head. Especially the hashtag 🤣🤣
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI think the main takeaway is that there's an argument about what the best strategy is based on the countries' particular set of circumstances, their climate, their culture, their medical systems, their ability to track and trace. There's no argument that some countries have fucked it up. The UK, Brazil, Italy, Spain and shock horror the US. Anyone defending the US's response is a moron. How have those countries fucked it up? COVID was already entrenched in those countries before anyone was even aware of it. They saw the shit hitting the fan, locked down hard for months, enforced social distancing, enforced mask wearing, and they’re still getting their asses kicked. The takeaway is this is a global pandemic without a vaccine or cure, there isn’t anything anyone can really do to make it go away until such time that a vaccine or cure is developed, which could take years. What should’ve Trump done that he didn’t do? Forced the whole country into lock down, an approach the WHO now decries? Would that have contained the virus? Probably not. What about national mask wearing strategy? Would that have contained the virus? Probably not. What about national goggle and hazmat wearing strategy? Other than closing the border to China, which he did, stocking hospitals with masks and ventilators, and providing trillions in aid to keeping the economy afloat, there isn’t much he could’ve done that would’ve made a huge difference in terms of infections and deaths in the long run. And why does Trump cop all the blame when it’s state governors have their own powers to force lock downs and mask mandates?
You understand this is political right? It’s an election year and the Dems are doing their darndest to blame Trump for the loss of 200 million (Biden’s words) Americans.
Too many things to rebut so I'll just leave these corkers to debunk one of your talking points. https://www.genengnews.com/a-lists/blinking-red-25-missed-pandemic-warning-signs/https://www.ajc.com/news/obama-warned-pandemic-threat-2014-but-republicans-blocked-funding/dh2H9HxiuBY05T5uPqtqpI/https://couriernewsroom.com/2020/04/14/obama-prepared-for-a-potential-pandemic-trump-gutted-his-work/Also this. From his propaganda channel too so you can't whinge about that. https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-china-us-flights-430000-peopleSo before you crap on about what Trump did or didn't do how about you do a little research? Is that what you’ve been reduced to Muz? Cutting and pasting from biased left wing sources rather than formulating your own arguments? I expected better of you Muz, rather than stooping to this level of intellectual laziness. I actually think you're not well. I will take that as an admission that either you’re too lazy or too stupid to formulate your own arguments so you have resorted to cutting and pasting shitty biased left wing links and when that fails resorting to petty ad hominem attacks. If you're too dumb to read rebuttals to your own talking points then I can't help you. On the plus side anyone else reading this will see you for what you are. You know I've read of older people and others being 'lost' to fox news and qanon conspiracies but I never thought I'd interact with one. And yet here we are. #sad
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI think the main takeaway is that there's an argument about what the best strategy is based on the countries' particular set of circumstances, their climate, their culture, their medical systems, their ability to track and trace. There's no argument that some countries have fucked it up. The UK, Brazil, Italy, Spain and shock horror the US. Anyone defending the US's response is a moron. How have those countries fucked it up? COVID was already entrenched in those countries before anyone was even aware of it. They saw the shit hitting the fan, locked down hard for months, enforced social distancing, enforced mask wearing, and they’re still getting their asses kicked. The takeaway is this is a global pandemic without a vaccine or cure, there isn’t anything anyone can really do to make it go away until such time that a vaccine or cure is developed, which could take years. What should’ve Trump done that he didn’t do? Forced the whole country into lock down, an approach the WHO now decries? Would that have contained the virus? Probably not. What about national mask wearing strategy? Would that have contained the virus? Probably not. What about national goggle and hazmat wearing strategy? Other than closing the border to China, which he did, stocking hospitals with masks and ventilators, and providing trillions in aid to keeping the economy afloat, there isn’t much he could’ve done that would’ve made a huge difference in terms of infections and deaths in the long run. And why does Trump cop all the blame when it’s state governors have their own powers to force lock downs and mask mandates?
You understand this is political right? It’s an election year and the Dems are doing their darndest to blame Trump for the loss of 200 million (Biden’s words) Americans.
Too many things to rebut so I'll just leave these corkers to debunk one of your talking points. https://www.genengnews.com/a-lists/blinking-red-25-missed-pandemic-warning-signs/https://www.ajc.com/news/obama-warned-pandemic-threat-2014-but-republicans-blocked-funding/dh2H9HxiuBY05T5uPqtqpI/https://couriernewsroom.com/2020/04/14/obama-prepared-for-a-potential-pandemic-trump-gutted-his-work/Also this. From his propaganda channel too so you can't whinge about that. https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-china-us-flights-430000-peopleSo before you crap on about what Trump did or didn't do how about you do a little research? Is that what you’ve been reduced to Muz? Cutting and pasting from biased left wing sources rather than formulating your own arguments? I expected better of you Muz, rather than stooping to this level of intellectual laziness. I actually think you're not well. I will take that as an admission that either you’re too lazy or too stupid to formulate your own arguments so you have resorted to cutting and pasting shitty biased left wing links and when that fails resorting to petty ad hominem attacks. Yep you're clearly unwell. All you do is attack attack attack. You're a typical trumpy. Ive yet to see you do anything other than call me infantile names. It’s not really an effective strategy and exposes your hollow intellect.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI think the main takeaway is that there's an argument about what the best strategy is based on the countries' particular set of circumstances, their climate, their culture, their medical systems, their ability to track and trace. There's no argument that some countries have fucked it up. The UK, Brazil, Italy, Spain and shock horror the US. Anyone defending the US's response is a moron. How have those countries fucked it up? COVID was already entrenched in those countries before anyone was even aware of it. They saw the shit hitting the fan, locked down hard for months, enforced social distancing, enforced mask wearing, and they’re still getting their asses kicked. The takeaway is this is a global pandemic without a vaccine or cure, there isn’t anything anyone can really do to make it go away until such time that a vaccine or cure is developed, which could take years. What should’ve Trump done that he didn’t do? Forced the whole country into lock down, an approach the WHO now decries? Would that have contained the virus? Probably not. What about national mask wearing strategy? Would that have contained the virus? Probably not. What about national goggle and hazmat wearing strategy? Other than closing the border to China, which he did, stocking hospitals with masks and ventilators, and providing trillions in aid to keeping the economy afloat, there isn’t much he could’ve done that would’ve made a huge difference in terms of infections and deaths in the long run. And why does Trump cop all the blame when it’s state governors have their own powers to force lock downs and mask mandates?
You understand this is political right? It’s an election year and the Dems are doing their darndest to blame Trump for the loss of 200 million (Biden’s words) Americans.
Too many things to rebut so I'll just leave these corkers to debunk one of your talking points. https://www.genengnews.com/a-lists/blinking-red-25-missed-pandemic-warning-signs/https://www.ajc.com/news/obama-warned-pandemic-threat-2014-but-republicans-blocked-funding/dh2H9HxiuBY05T5uPqtqpI/https://couriernewsroom.com/2020/04/14/obama-prepared-for-a-potential-pandemic-trump-gutted-his-work/Also this. From his propaganda channel too so you can't whinge about that. https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-china-us-flights-430000-peopleSo before you crap on about what Trump did or didn't do how about you do a little research? Is that what you’ve been reduced to Muz? Cutting and pasting from biased left wing sources rather than formulating your own arguments? I expected better of you Muz, rather than stooping to this level of intellectual laziness. I actually think you're not well. I will take that as an admission that either you’re too lazy or too stupid to formulate your own arguments so you have resorted to cutting and pasting shitty biased left wing links and when that fails resorting to petty ad hominem attacks. Yep you're clearly unwell. All you do is attack attack attack. You're a typical trumpy.
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+x+x+x+x+xI think the main takeaway is that there's an argument about what the best strategy is based on the countries' particular set of circumstances, their climate, their culture, their medical systems, their ability to track and trace. There's no argument that some countries have fucked it up. The UK, Brazil, Italy, Spain and shock horror the US. Anyone defending the US's response is a moron. How have those countries fucked it up? COVID was already entrenched in those countries before anyone was even aware of it. They saw the shit hitting the fan, locked down hard for months, enforced social distancing, enforced mask wearing, and they’re still getting their asses kicked. The takeaway is this is a global pandemic without a vaccine or cure, there isn’t anything anyone can really do to make it go away until such time that a vaccine or cure is developed, which could take years. What should’ve Trump done that he didn’t do? Forced the whole country into lock down, an approach the WHO now decries? Would that have contained the virus? Probably not. What about national mask wearing strategy? Would that have contained the virus? Probably not. What about national goggle and hazmat wearing strategy? Other than closing the border to China, which he did, stocking hospitals with masks and ventilators, and providing trillions in aid to keeping the economy afloat, there isn’t much he could’ve done that would’ve made a huge difference in terms of infections and deaths in the long run. And why does Trump cop all the blame when it’s state governors have their own powers to force lock downs and mask mandates?
You understand this is political right? It’s an election year and the Dems are doing their darndest to blame Trump for the loss of 200 million (Biden’s words) Americans.
Too many things to rebut so I'll just leave these corkers to debunk one of your talking points. https://www.genengnews.com/a-lists/blinking-red-25-missed-pandemic-warning-signs/https://www.ajc.com/news/obama-warned-pandemic-threat-2014-but-republicans-blocked-funding/dh2H9HxiuBY05T5uPqtqpI/https://couriernewsroom.com/2020/04/14/obama-prepared-for-a-potential-pandemic-trump-gutted-his-work/Also this. From his propaganda channel too so you can't whinge about that. https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-china-us-flights-430000-peopleSo before you crap on about what Trump did or didn't do how about you do a little research? Is that what you’ve been reduced to Muz? Cutting and pasting from biased left wing sources rather than formulating your own arguments? I expected better of you Muz, rather than stooping to this level of intellectual laziness. I actually think you're not well. I will take that as an admission that either you’re too lazy or too stupid to formulate your own arguments so you have resorted to cutting and pasting shitty biased left wing links and when that fails resorting to petty ad hominem attacks.
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+x+x+x+xI think the main takeaway is that there's an argument about what the best strategy is based on the countries' particular set of circumstances, their climate, their culture, their medical systems, their ability to track and trace. There's no argument that some countries have fucked it up. The UK, Brazil, Italy, Spain and shock horror the US. Anyone defending the US's response is a moron. How have those countries fucked it up? COVID was already entrenched in those countries before anyone was even aware of it. They saw the shit hitting the fan, locked down hard for months, enforced social distancing, enforced mask wearing, and they’re still getting their asses kicked. The takeaway is this is a global pandemic without a vaccine or cure, there isn’t anything anyone can really do to make it go away until such time that a vaccine or cure is developed, which could take years. What should’ve Trump done that he didn’t do? Forced the whole country into lock down, an approach the WHO now decries? Would that have contained the virus? Probably not. What about national mask wearing strategy? Would that have contained the virus? Probably not. What about national goggle and hazmat wearing strategy? Other than closing the border to China, which he did, stocking hospitals with masks and ventilators, and providing trillions in aid to keeping the economy afloat, there isn’t much he could’ve done that would’ve made a huge difference in terms of infections and deaths in the long run. And why does Trump cop all the blame when it’s state governors have their own powers to force lock downs and mask mandates?
You understand this is political right? It’s an election year and the Dems are doing their darndest to blame Trump for the loss of 200 million (Biden’s words) Americans.
Too many things to rebut so I'll just leave these corkers to debunk one of your talking points. https://www.genengnews.com/a-lists/blinking-red-25-missed-pandemic-warning-signs/https://www.ajc.com/news/obama-warned-pandemic-threat-2014-but-republicans-blocked-funding/dh2H9HxiuBY05T5uPqtqpI/https://couriernewsroom.com/2020/04/14/obama-prepared-for-a-potential-pandemic-trump-gutted-his-work/Also this. From his propaganda channel too so you can't whinge about that. https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-china-us-flights-430000-peopleSo before you crap on about what Trump did or didn't do how about you do a little research? Is that what you’ve been reduced to Muz? Cutting and pasting from biased left wing sources rather than formulating your own arguments? I expected better of you Muz, rather than stooping to this level of intellectual laziness. I actually think you're not well.
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Wow, I'm so humiliated right now. Rusty showed me irrefutable evidence that Trumped condemned white supremacists, and in the exposed me as a liar and a partisan hack who will readily believe anything from the left without question. Will I come clean and admit that he was right and I was wrong? No! My petty ego cannot handle it. Will I instead attack his comprehension abilities? Yes! That is what I will do, rather than admitting I'm a partisan hack who readily believes anything from the left without fact checking, I will attack his comprehension and in doing so preserve my petty ego from harm. Mwhwhahha Muz reigns supreme!
Bit rich considering you never admitted you were wrong regarding masks stopping the spread of COVID. Masks don’t stop Covid, they only, at best, slow it down. Seat belts don't stop car deaths, they only, at best, slow it down. Seat belts slow down car deaths? 😆 As in the rate of car deaths. Not everyone wearing a seatbelt will survive just because they're wearing a seatbelt but it's better than not wearing them. But you knew that and are simply distracting attention away from your awful shitshow of an analogy.
But comparing car deaths with a global pandemic isn’t a shit show of analogy? You’re too funny! 😆 I'm comparing a risk management strategy to a risk management strategy but again you're simply sidestepping. So you comparing masks with seatbelts is a “risk management strategy” but me comparing them with Sweden’s pandemic strategy is a “shitshow of an analogy”?😂😂😂😂😂 "Hi, my name is rusty and egg salad computer chocolate with a jacket full of Skittles should be sufficient to brush your teeth with a pillowcase to wear as a headband." That's all I ever understand when I read your posts rusty. Ok
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Wow, I'm so humiliated right now. Rusty showed me irrefutable evidence that Trumped condemned white supremacists, and in the exposed me as a liar and a partisan hack who will readily believe anything from the left without question. Will I come clean and admit that he was right and I was wrong? No! My petty ego cannot handle it. Will I instead attack his comprehension abilities? Yes! That is what I will do, rather than admitting I'm a partisan hack who readily believes anything from the left without fact checking, I will attack his comprehension and in doing so preserve my petty ego from harm. Mwhwhahha Muz reigns supreme!
Bit rich considering you never admitted you were wrong regarding masks stopping the spread of COVID. Masks don’t stop Covid, they only, at best, slow it down. Seat belts don't stop car deaths, they only, at best, slow it down. Seat belts slow down car deaths? 😆 As in the rate of car deaths. Not everyone wearing a seatbelt will survive just because they're wearing a seatbelt but it's better than not wearing them. But you knew that and are simply distracting attention away from your awful shitshow of an analogy.
But comparing car deaths with a global pandemic isn’t a shit show of analogy? You’re too funny! 😆 I'm comparing a risk management strategy to a risk management strategy but again you're simply sidestepping. So you comparing masks with seatbelts is a “risk management strategy” but me comparing them with Sweden’s pandemic strategy is a “shitshow of an analogy”?😂😂😂😂😂 "Hi, my name is rusty and egg salad computer chocolate with a jacket full of Skittles should be sufficient to brush your teeth with a pillowcase to wear as a headband." That's all I ever understand when I read your posts rusty.
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+x+x+xI think the main takeaway is that there's an argument about what the best strategy is based on the countries' particular set of circumstances, their climate, their culture, their medical systems, their ability to track and trace. There's no argument that some countries have fucked it up. The UK, Brazil, Italy, Spain and shock horror the US. Anyone defending the US's response is a moron. How have those countries fucked it up? COVID was already entrenched in those countries before anyone was even aware of it. They saw the shit hitting the fan, locked down hard for months, enforced social distancing, enforced mask wearing, and they’re still getting their asses kicked. The takeaway is this is a global pandemic without a vaccine or cure, there isn’t anything anyone can really do to make it go away until such time that a vaccine or cure is developed, which could take years. What should’ve Trump done that he didn’t do? Forced the whole country into lock down, an approach the WHO now decries? Would that have contained the virus? Probably not. What about national mask wearing strategy? Would that have contained the virus? Probably not. What about national goggle and hazmat wearing strategy? Other than closing the border to China, which he did, stocking hospitals with masks and ventilators, and providing trillions in aid to keeping the economy afloat, there isn’t much he could’ve done that would’ve made a huge difference in terms of infections and deaths in the long run. And why does Trump cop all the blame when it’s state governors have their own powers to force lock downs and mask mandates?
You understand this is political right? It’s an election year and the Dems are doing their darndest to blame Trump for the loss of 200 million (Biden’s words) Americans.
Too many things to rebut so I'll just leave these corkers to debunk one of your talking points. https://www.genengnews.com/a-lists/blinking-red-25-missed-pandemic-warning-signs/https://www.ajc.com/news/obama-warned-pandemic-threat-2014-but-republicans-blocked-funding/dh2H9HxiuBY05T5uPqtqpI/https://couriernewsroom.com/2020/04/14/obama-prepared-for-a-potential-pandemic-trump-gutted-his-work/Also this. From his propaganda channel too so you can't whinge about that. https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-china-us-flights-430000-peopleSo before you crap on about what Trump did or didn't do how about you do a little research? Is that what you’ve been reduced to Muz? Cutting and pasting from biased left wing sources rather than formulating your own arguments? I expected better of you Muz, rather than stooping to this level of intellectual laziness.
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Wow, I'm so humiliated right now. Rusty showed me irrefutable evidence that Trumped condemned white supremacists, and in the exposed me as a liar and a partisan hack who will readily believe anything from the left without question. Will I come clean and admit that he was right and I was wrong? No! My petty ego cannot handle it. Will I instead attack his comprehension abilities? Yes! That is what I will do, rather than admitting I'm a partisan hack who readily believes anything from the left without fact checking, I will attack his comprehension and in doing so preserve my petty ego from harm. Mwhwhahha Muz reigns supreme!
Bit rich considering you never admitted you were wrong regarding masks stopping the spread of COVID. Masks don’t stop Covid, they only, at best, slow it down. Seat belts don't stop car deaths, they only, at best, slow it down. Seat belts slow down car deaths? 😆 As in the rate of car deaths. Not everyone wearing a seatbelt will survive just because they're wearing a seatbelt but it's better than not wearing them. But you knew that and are simply distracting attention away from your awful shitshow of an analogy.
But comparing car deaths with a global pandemic isn’t a shit show of analogy? You’re too funny! 😆 I'm comparing a risk management strategy to a risk management strategy but again you're simply sidestepping. So you comparing masks with seatbelts is a “risk management strategy” but me comparing them with Sweden’s pandemic strategy is a “shitshow of an analogy”?😂😂😂😂😂
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Wow, I'm so humiliated right now. Rusty showed me irrefutable evidence that Trumped condemned white supremacists, and in the exposed me as a liar and a partisan hack who will readily believe anything from the left without question. Will I come clean and admit that he was right and I was wrong? No! My petty ego cannot handle it. Will I instead attack his comprehension abilities? Yes! That is what I will do, rather than admitting I'm a partisan hack who readily believes anything from the left without fact checking, I will attack his comprehension and in doing so preserve my petty ego from harm. Mwhwhahha Muz reigns supreme!
Bit rich considering you never admitted you were wrong regarding masks stopping the spread of COVID. Masks don’t stop Covid, they only, at best, slow it down. Seat belts don't stop car deaths, they only, at best, slow it down. Seat belts slow down car deaths? 😆 As in the rate of car deaths. Not everyone wearing a seatbelt will survive just because they're wearing a seatbelt but it's better than not wearing them. But you knew that and are simply distracting attention away from your awful shitshow of an analogy.
But comparing car deaths with a global pandemic isn’t a shit show of analogy? You’re too funny! 😆 I'm comparing a risk management strategy to a risk management strategy but again you're simply sidestepping.
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+x+xI think the main takeaway is that there's an argument about what the best strategy is based on the countries' particular set of circumstances, their climate, their culture, their medical systems, their ability to track and trace. There's no argument that some countries have fucked it up. The UK, Brazil, Italy, Spain and shock horror the US. Anyone defending the US's response is a moron. How have those countries fucked it up? COVID was already entrenched in those countries before anyone was even aware of it. They saw the shit hitting the fan, locked down hard for months, enforced social distancing, enforced mask wearing, and they’re still getting their asses kicked. The takeaway is this is a global pandemic without a vaccine or cure, there isn’t anything anyone can really do to make it go away until such time that a vaccine or cure is developed, which could take years. What should’ve Trump done that he didn’t do? Forced the whole country into lock down, an approach the WHO now decries? Would that have contained the virus? Probably not. What about national mask wearing strategy? Would that have contained the virus? Probably not. What about national goggle and hazmat wearing strategy? Other than closing the border to China, which he did, stocking hospitals with masks and ventilators, and providing trillions in aid to keeping the economy afloat, there isn’t much he could’ve done that would’ve made a huge difference in terms of infections and deaths in the long run. And why does Trump cop all the blame when it’s state governors have their own powers to force lock downs and mask mandates?
You understand this is political right? It’s an election year and the Dems are doing their darndest to blame Trump for the loss of 200 million (Biden’s words) Americans.
Too many things to rebut so I'll just leave these corkers to debunk one of your talking points. https://www.genengnews.com/a-lists/blinking-red-25-missed-pandemic-warning-signs/https://www.ajc.com/news/obama-warned-pandemic-threat-2014-but-republicans-blocked-funding/dh2H9HxiuBY05T5uPqtqpI/https://couriernewsroom.com/2020/04/14/obama-prepared-for-a-potential-pandemic-trump-gutted-his-work/Also this. From his propaganda channel too so you can't whinge about that. https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-china-us-flights-430000-peopleSo before you crap on about what Trump did or didn't do how about you do a little research?
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Anyone defending the US's response is a moron.A dog whistle for gobshites so it seems. -PB
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Wow, I'm so humiliated right now. Rusty showed me irrefutable evidence that Trumped condemned white supremacists, and in the exposed me as a liar and a partisan hack who will readily believe anything from the left without question. Will I come clean and admit that he was right and I was wrong? No! My petty ego cannot handle it. Will I instead attack his comprehension abilities? Yes! That is what I will do, rather than admitting I'm a partisan hack who readily believes anything from the left without fact checking, I will attack his comprehension and in doing so preserve my petty ego from harm. Mwhwhahha Muz reigns supreme!
Bit rich considering you never admitted you were wrong regarding masks stopping the spread of COVID. Masks don’t stop Covid, they only, at best, slow it down. Seat belts don't stop car deaths, they only, at best, slow it down. Seat belts slow down car deaths? 😆 As in the rate of car deaths. Not everyone wearing a seatbelt will survive just because they're wearing a seatbelt but it's better than not wearing them. But you knew that and are simply distracting attention away from your awful shitshow of an analogy.
But comparing car deaths with a global pandemic isn’t a shit show of analogy? You’re too funny! 😆
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+xI think the main takeaway is that there's an argument about what the best strategy is based on the countries' particular set of circumstances, their climate, their culture, their medical systems, their ability to track and trace. There's no argument that some countries have fucked it up. The UK, Brazil, Italy, Spain and shock horror the US. Anyone defending the US's response is a moron. How have those countries fucked it up? COVID was already entrenched in those countries before anyone was even aware of it. They saw the shit hitting the fan, locked down hard for months, enforced social distancing, enforced mask wearing, and they’re still getting their asses kicked. The takeaway is this is a global pandemic without a vaccine or cure, there isn’t anything anyone can really do to make it go away until such time that a vaccine or cure is developed, which could take years. What should’ve Trump done that he didn’t do? Forced the whole country into lock down, an approach the WHO now decries? Would that have contained the virus? Probably not. What about national mask wearing strategy? Would that have contained the virus? Probably not. What about national goggle and hazmat wearing strategy? Other than closing the border to China, which he did, stocking hospitals with masks and ventilators, and providing trillions in aid to keeping the economy afloat, there isn’t much he could’ve done that would’ve made a huge difference in terms of infections and deaths in the long run. And why does Trump cop all the blame when it’s state governors have their own powers to force lock downs and mask mandates?
You understand this is political right? It’s an election year and the Dems are doing their darndest to blame Trump for the loss of 200 million (Biden’s words) Americans.
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Wow, I'm so humiliated right now. Rusty showed me irrefutable evidence that Trumped condemned white supremacists, and in the exposed me as a liar and a partisan hack who will readily believe anything from the left without question. Will I come clean and admit that he was right and I was wrong? No! My petty ego cannot handle it. Will I instead attack his comprehension abilities? Yes! That is what I will do, rather than admitting I'm a partisan hack who readily believes anything from the left without fact checking, I will attack his comprehension and in doing so preserve my petty ego from harm. Mwhwhahha Muz reigns supreme!
Bit rich considering you never admitted you were wrong regarding masks stopping the spread of COVID. Masks don’t stop Covid, they only, at best, slow it down. Seat belts don't stop car deaths, they only, at best, slow it down. Seat belts slow down car deaths? 😆 As in the rate of car deaths. Not everyone wearing a seatbelt will survive just because they're wearing a seatbelt but it's better than not wearing them. But you knew that and are simply distracting attention away from your awful shitshow of an analogy.
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Wow, I'm so humiliated right now. Rusty showed me irrefutable evidence that Trumped condemned white supremacists, and in the exposed me as a liar and a partisan hack who will readily believe anything from the left without question. Will I come clean and admit that he was right and I was wrong? No! My petty ego cannot handle it. Will I instead attack his comprehension abilities? Yes! That is what I will do, rather than admitting I'm a partisan hack who readily believes anything from the left without fact checking, I will attack his comprehension and in doing so preserve my petty ego from harm. Mwhwhahha Muz reigns supreme!
Bit rich considering you never admitted you were wrong regarding masks stopping the spread of COVID. Masks don’t stop Covid, they only, at best, slow it down. Seat belts don't stop car deaths, they only, at best, slow it down. Seat belts slow down car deaths? 😆
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Wow, I'm so humiliated right now. Rusty showed me irrefutable evidence that Trumped condemned white supremacists, and in the exposed me as a liar and a partisan hack who will readily believe anything from the left without question. Will I come clean and admit that he was right and I was wrong? No! My petty ego cannot handle it. Will I instead attack his comprehension abilities? Yes! That is what I will do, rather than admitting I'm a partisan hack who readily believes anything from the left without fact checking, I will attack his comprehension and in doing so preserve my petty ego from harm. Mwhwhahha Muz reigns supreme!
Bit rich considering you never admitted you were wrong regarding masks stopping the spread of COVID. Masks don’t stop Covid, they only, at best, slow it down. Seat belts don't stop car deaths, they only, at best, slow it down.
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I think the main takeaway is that there's an argument about what the best strategy is based on the countries' particular set of circumstances, their climate, their culture, their medical systems, their ability to track and trace. There's no argument that some countries have fucked it up. The UK, Brazil, Italy, Spain and shock horror the US. Anyone defending the US's response is a moron.
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+x+x+x+xI believe Sweden has best nailed the strategy of how to manage covid, they have successfully controlled the virus all without lock downs or enforced mask wearing, that is because they emphasise the importance of individual responsibility and risk assessment over government policy. +x+xI'm not getting into the second wave era for a financial comparison because the figures aren't available Sweden’s economy contracted 8.3 per cent in the June quarter, compared with Australia’s drop of 7 per cent. According to data compiled by US-based Johns Hopkins University, Australia had recorded 859 COVID-19 deaths (as of September 23), while Sweden had suffered 5,870 deaths. While Sweden's death count is much higher than Australia's, it is only seven times the number of deaths seen in Australia. On those figures, Sweden's rate of deaths per million people is 576.62 compared with Australia’s rate of 34.37. That means the Nordic nation has suffered a death rate more than 16 times that of Australia.
So on what can be looked at so far Sweden has fared worse both heath wise and economically.
That may well change once September GDP figures are available. A couple things
1. While Sweden has fared worse than Australia deaths wise, it has fared much better than most countries in Europe, even those who’ve implemented heavy lock downs like England, France, Italy, Spain etc. Maybe unfair to compare with Australian given the obvious geographical advantages we have that they do not.
4. Australia and NZ handled Covid best, however we were in the enviable position of having so few cases of community transmission that it made the strategy of eradication possible.
On one hand, you're saying Sweden has the best strategy but one the other, Australia has done better because of our unique circumstances. So should we adopt Sweden's strategy or not given that we (and NZ) have handled it best? We have, with the exception of Vic, already adopted Sweden’s strategy. Our economies are open and we are managing outbreaks through contact tracing, social distancing and optional mask wearing.
I don't know about that, considering Sweden considers its approach to be a "herd immunity" approach whereas we are going for "suppression"/"elimination". Sweden’s approach wasn’t herd immunity
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+x+x+xI believe Sweden has best nailed the strategy of how to manage covid, they have successfully controlled the virus all without lock downs or enforced mask wearing, that is because they emphasise the importance of individual responsibility and risk assessment over government policy. +x+xI'm not getting into the second wave era for a financial comparison because the figures aren't available Sweden’s economy contracted 8.3 per cent in the June quarter, compared with Australia’s drop of 7 per cent. According to data compiled by US-based Johns Hopkins University, Australia had recorded 859 COVID-19 deaths (as of September 23), while Sweden had suffered 5,870 deaths. While Sweden's death count is much higher than Australia's, it is only seven times the number of deaths seen in Australia. On those figures, Sweden's rate of deaths per million people is 576.62 compared with Australia’s rate of 34.37. That means the Nordic nation has suffered a death rate more than 16 times that of Australia.
So on what can be looked at so far Sweden has fared worse both heath wise and economically.
That may well change once September GDP figures are available. A couple things
1. While Sweden has fared worse than Australia deaths wise, it has fared much better than most countries in Europe, even those who’ve implemented heavy lock downs like England, France, Italy, Spain etc. Maybe unfair to compare with Australian given the obvious geographical advantages we have that they do not.
4. Australia and NZ handled Covid best, however we were in the enviable position of having so few cases of community transmission that it made the strategy of eradication possible.
On one hand, you're saying Sweden has the best strategy but one the other, Australia has done better because of our unique circumstances. So should we adopt Sweden's strategy or not given that we (and NZ) have handled it best? We have, with the exception of Vic, already adopted Sweden’s strategy. Our economies are open and we are managing outbreaks through contact tracing, social distancing and optional mask wearing.
I don't know about that, considering Sweden considers its approach to be a "herd immunity" approach whereas we are going for "suppression"/"elimination".
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+x+xI believe Sweden has best nailed the strategy of how to manage covid, they have successfully controlled the virus all without lock downs or enforced mask wearing, that is because they emphasise the importance of individual responsibility and risk assessment over government policy. +x+xI'm not getting into the second wave era for a financial comparison because the figures aren't available Sweden’s economy contracted 8.3 per cent in the June quarter, compared with Australia’s drop of 7 per cent. According to data compiled by US-based Johns Hopkins University, Australia had recorded 859 COVID-19 deaths (as of September 23), while Sweden had suffered 5,870 deaths. While Sweden's death count is much higher than Australia's, it is only seven times the number of deaths seen in Australia. On those figures, Sweden's rate of deaths per million people is 576.62 compared with Australia’s rate of 34.37. That means the Nordic nation has suffered a death rate more than 16 times that of Australia.
So on what can be looked at so far Sweden has fared worse both heath wise and economically.
That may well change once September GDP figures are available. A couple things
1. While Sweden has fared worse than Australia deaths wise, it has fared much better than most countries in Europe, even those who’ve implemented heavy lock downs like England, France, Italy, Spain etc. Maybe unfair to compare with Australian given the obvious geographical advantages we have that they do not.
4. Australia and NZ handled Covid best, however we were in the enviable position of having so few cases of community transmission that it made the strategy of eradication possible.
On one hand, you're saying Sweden has the best strategy but one the other, Australia has done better because of our unique circumstances. So should we adopt Sweden's strategy or not given that we (and NZ) have handled it best? We have, with the exception of Vic, already adopted Sweden’s strategy. Our economies are open and we are managing outbreaks through contact tracing, social distancing and optional mask wearing.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/20/us/trump-taxes-china.htmlAlso in there this. (Not that Rus will read any of it.) In a misleading claim amplified by surrogates like his son Donald Trump Jr. and his lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani, the president has said the younger Mr. Biden “walked out of China” with $1.5 billion after accompanying his father on an official trip in 2013. Numerous news articles and fact-checking sites have explained that the huge figure was actually a fund-raising goal set by an investment firm in which Hunter Biden obtained a 10 percent stake after his father left office. The firm did receive financial backing from a large state-controlled bank, but it is not clear the fund-raising target was ever met, and there is no evidence Hunter Biden received a large personal payout.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-we-know-about-hunter-bidens-dealings-in-china-11570181403https://www.factcheck.org/2019/10/trumps-claims-about-hunter-biden-in-china/
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+xI believe Sweden has best nailed the strategy of how to manage covid, they have successfully controlled the virus all without lock downs or enforced mask wearing, that is because they emphasise the importance of individual responsibility and risk assessment over government policy. +x+xI'm not getting into the second wave era for a financial comparison because the figures aren't available Sweden’s economy contracted 8.3 per cent in the June quarter, compared with Australia’s drop of 7 per cent. According to data compiled by US-based Johns Hopkins University, Australia had recorded 859 COVID-19 deaths (as of September 23), while Sweden had suffered 5,870 deaths. While Sweden's death count is much higher than Australia's, it is only seven times the number of deaths seen in Australia. On those figures, Sweden's rate of deaths per million people is 576.62 compared with Australia’s rate of 34.37. That means the Nordic nation has suffered a death rate more than 16 times that of Australia.
So on what can be looked at so far Sweden has fared worse both heath wise and economically.
That may well change once September GDP figures are available. A couple things
1. While Sweden has fared worse than Australia deaths wise, it has fared much better than most countries in Europe, even those who’ve implemented heavy lock downs like England, France, Italy, Spain etc. Maybe unfair to compare with Australian given the obvious geographical advantages we have that they do not.
4. Australia and NZ handled Covid best, however we were in the enviable position of having so few cases of community transmission that it made the strategy of eradication possible.
On one hand, you're saying Sweden has the best strategy but one the other, Australia has done better because of our unique circumstances. So should we adopt Sweden's strategy or not given that we (and NZ) have handled it best?
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+x+x+x+x+xI'm not getting into the second wave era for a financial comparison because the figures aren't available Sweden’s economy contracted 8.3 per cent in the June quarter, compared with Australia’s drop of 7 per cent. According to data compiled by US-based Johns Hopkins University, Australia had recorded 859 COVID-19 deaths (as of September 23), while Sweden had suffered 5,870 deaths. While Sweden's death count is much higher than Australia's, it is only seven times the number of deaths seen in Australia. On those figures, Sweden's rate of deaths per million people is 576.62 compared with Australia’s rate of 34.37. That means the Nordic nation has suffered a death rate more than 16 times that of Australia.
So on what can be looked at so far Sweden has fared worse both heath wise and economically.
That may well change once September GDP figures are available. A couple things
1. While Sweden has fared worse than Australia deaths wise, it has fared much better than most countries in Europe, even those who’ve implemented heavy lock downs like England, France, Italy, Spain etc. Maybe unfair to compare with Australian given the obvious geographical advantages we have that they do not.
2. While Sweden’s economy might have contracted 1.3% more than Australia, they didn’t need to spend $300 billion to artificially prop it up. Also those results was achieved during the peak of the 5,000 deaths, and fared not much worse than Australia who recoded only dozes of deaths during the equivalent period.
3. Those countries that did lock down hard and mandate mask wearing are now experience surging coronavirus infections, only delaying inevitable deaths however leaving a permanent scar on the economy.
4. Australia and NZ handled Covid best, however we were in the enviable position of having so few cases of community transmission that it made the strategy of eradication possible.
Sweden also has a socialist government and the population has a high degree of trust in said Government and as a whole do what their told. -PB They also have corporate tax rates of 16% and balanced budgets. Let’s lower business taxes and reduce expenditure to cure COVID. So is Sweden comparable or not? If not, please don’t cite it as a valid path for us. Face palm
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