There is no evidence as of yet that herd immunity is even possible yet either.

This. 

The restrictions limit the spread of the virus to the household and assuming all members of that household do the right thing it stops the spread there. How hard is that to understand?

If Victoria didn't enact stage three you'd be up to 5000 a day by now. Contact tracing is impossible once you get past a certain point as there are only so many people working on it.

Auckland put back into Level 3 after a household of four people test positive with an unknown infection source.

Huge news.
NZ did such a strong job early days to knock it in the head.
They will be really flustered to see where the source has come from.

I know Australia media talk about elimination v suppression a lot but it really does seem like mission impossible to eliminate this thing.

I heard from a reliable source that cases in Melbourne would have been 27 million by now if we hadn't imposed stage 3 restrictions

You're the one arguing against the established medical advice that the state and federal government have been acting upon without anything but your opinion. 

Where is your data showing contact tracing can be achieved when a city gets hundreds of cases a day? 

Yeah look’s like elimination just can’t happen. Locking down early will save lives though. So far we’ve seen suppression fail in Victoria, will be interesting to see how NSW go, if you can’t keep a lid on it then perhaps the go hard early approach is better?

anyone wanna volunteer for the russian vaccine?

Victoria are doing 40,000 tests a day. That allows for contact testing of 100 per diagnosed case, when only 20-30 are required

Plenty of room for a sophisticated contact testing model instead of testing any random person who rocks up. All that does is take away valuable staff and resources

I also like how you say "state and federal". No single state followed the federal advice, and each state did their own thing. NSW even said today they weren't going to look at Victoria for clues on how to move forward

if its of any use

stockholm no lockdown , less debt to gdp due to covid has the same infection rate 17%
as
London lockdown and economic catastrophy


fyi 
1918 Spanish Flu in UK , 20 % of population got it before it faded, no lockdown no economic mismanagement , most importantly no social media stories from the msm

Also 50 million people died.

I said state and federal governments followed established medial advice. Read what I said. 

The U.K was going to follow the Sweden model but reversed that at the last minute. By then it was clearly too late to avoid mass infection. 

There is also a growing body of early evidence that the impact of COVID may go well beyond the deaths of older people, with many younger survivors, even with mild illness, possibly having permanent heart and brain damage. What will the economic cost of a generation of people with significant health issues be if we let COVID spread unimpeded?

But don't get facts get in the way of your Sky News inspired, borderline conspiracy theory bullshit. 

This is the thing that gets me. 

"Established" medical advice based on an unknown virus? Every medical adviser is offering different and contradicting advice which is why each state has done radically different things. And as I have long said, if you are talking about controlling the spread of a virus then its more about understanding the host and movements of the host than what happens to the body after the disease has been contracted. If this virus was being spread by mosquitoes, our water supply, or sexually transmitted the advice and restrictions would be different

The bottom line is the re-introduction of stage 3 restrictions saw an increase in numbers not decrease, and 14 days after mandatory masks were introduced we saw the worst single day figure. Not only that but a 6 week lockdown period advised by your precious advisors was abandoned and deemed ineffective. In fact the majority of restriction periods have been abandoned halfway through in favour of something else. The restrictions in the Geelong region lasted 4 days and the advice to keep schools open at the end of March lasted 3 days


And if this was being sexually transmitted the advice wouldnt be all males have to wear a condom at all times unless urinating or having sex with somebody they are married to, with all other forms of sex banned and masturbating only allowed between the hours of 2pm and 3pm. This is the point I am making. Its not a case of more rules are better. Its about understanding how the virus is being spread and putting in the minimal amount of restrictions so the virus is on a downward path and outbreaks can be contained by our suppression strategies, but without too many rules preventing being able to live and going on about our lives

If the rules arent viable then people will just disobey them. You said yourself this will go away "assuming people do the right thing" and thats been the message since the middle of June. But we havent seen people "just obey" ridiculous, damaging and excessive rules. People in Victoria are not going to put their lives on hold until March or April next year. If the Victorian government can't come up with a life balance, particularly for areas that dont have an outbreak, then people will just do their own thing

Belarus went a step further than Sweden and had zero lockdowns throughout the whole country. 

Using Belarus as an example of anything good is mighty hilarious.

-PB

All I said was Belarus went a step further than Sweden. 

I think it is mighty hilarious you'd ignore Belarus as an example. With a mind set like yours I think it is safe to say you'd ignore another 200 countries for reasons only you can explain. 

Then you must be using Belarus as a bad example then? I didn't use them as an example, you did. 

-PB

An example of a country that hasn't changed a thing since Covid-19. I never said a good or bad example. 

How is that statement wrong. 

I just find it funny you think it is perfectly normal to ignore the stats of a country with over 10 million people. 

I would love to see the list of all the other countries you place in the same boat. Without any exaggeration I'm guessing there's another 200 on your list. 

Because that country is run by a dictatorship with no independent oversight of their COVID figures lol

-PB

😂 Like I said you'll rule out half of the world with that mentality. 

I'm not actually sure what point you're trying to argue here.

-PB

There's a youtuber I watch occasionally called Bald and Bankrupt. He does travel vlogs mostly through Eastern Europe to places that not many people travel to. He's been in Belarus since the breakout in March and did a series of videos traveling all over the country. Then he went quiet... 3 guesses as to what the cause of that was.

Pretty simple point I'm making. If you're going to laugh at the statistics of a country like Belarus, chances are you'll laugh at more than half of the countries in the world. 

That's regardless of those stats either backing up something you believe to be true, or going against what you believe to be true.

I love that guy! Given some of the places he goes and things he does (the freight train in ultra conservative  Muslim sahara with the flirty hot Russian chick, wtf!) it feels like its just a matter of time before he comes unstuck. 

Yeah they're fascinating videos. Imagine riding on that train all night!
Unfortunately it looks like this did get him. 9 days in ICU with double pneumonia. Hopefully he recovers eventually and can make more videos but that last set of ones he made travelling through Belarus during a pandemic was just irresponsible.

https://www.theshovel.com.au/2020/08/18/dan-andrews-sydneys-quarantine-hotels/

Too real.

Super Barrilaro wanting borders to be opened with VIC asap rofl.

-PB

Oghmagod wghadafuk

Man is a fucking moron.