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I really don’t see us getting much in the way of investment for the event unfortunately. With less than 3 years to go, I think there will be smaller investments overall in terms of facilities upgrades, but those that were dreaming of stadium builds likely won’t be happy with the results.
News this week of the Home of the Matildas in Melbourne was good, but once again reading into it, the reality is it’s just money to design it. Still a long way to go for anything more significant in terms of funding.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThe entitlement in that article. Did the author expect to get games there for free? Does he think FIFA getting the ticket revenue for their own tournament is a new development? Yes they and all cities should get games for free. It stinks that cities can outbid others and effectively shut out fans from alternate venues. Basically they're soliciting bribes. I understand this is the business model now but it's wrong. I can't see how. If FIFA were charging a fee to host cities you might have a point, but from all my reading the amounts discussed are the required spend on facilities. FIFA has every right to set a certain standard for their competitions, in fact they would be negligent if they didn't. If prospective hosts aren't interested in investing in their own infrastructure to get themselves up to standard then they have nobody else but themselves to blame when they miss out. https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-confirms-brisbane-will-host-this-years-grand-final/news-story/31f58e7651bdec74677ff171892c73efHere's an example Pala of a state that, across all categories, shits all over the Qld bid but didn't pony up enough money. Not that I give a shit about the AFL but it's the broader point of matches and/or events being bought and 'proper', if you like, fans missing out. It stinks. I'm not quite understanding the point you're trying to make. That events/matches shouldn't be bought. IE the WC 2023 matches should not necessarily go to whoever stumps up the most cash. Agreed. The key criteria should the most appropriate venues suitable for the competition. If they're not up to scratch it's venue owner's responsibility to meet the standards, if they want to host.
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+x+x+x+xThe entitlement in that article. Did the author expect to get games there for free? Does he think FIFA getting the ticket revenue for their own tournament is a new development? Yes they and all cities should get games for free. It stinks that cities can outbid others and effectively shut out fans from alternate venues. Basically they're soliciting bribes. I understand this is the business model now but it's wrong. I can't see how. If FIFA were charging a fee to host cities you might have a point, but from all my reading the amounts discussed are the required spend on facilities. FIFA has every right to set a certain standard for their competitions, in fact they would be negligent if they didn't. If prospective hosts aren't interested in investing in their own infrastructure to get themselves up to standard then they have nobody else but themselves to blame when they miss out. https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-confirms-brisbane-will-host-this-years-grand-final/news-story/31f58e7651bdec74677ff171892c73efHere's an example Pala of a state that, across all categories, shits all over the Qld bid but didn't pony up enough money. Not that I give a shit about the AFL but it's the broader point of matches and/or events being bought and 'proper', if you like, fans missing out. It stinks. At least they put forward a stadium in the right shape for the sport in question lol
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+x+x+x+x+xThe entitlement in that article. Did the author expect to get games there for free? Does he think FIFA getting the ticket revenue for their own tournament is a new development? Yes they and all cities should get games for free. It stinks that cities can outbid others and effectively shut out fans from alternate venues. Basically they're soliciting bribes. I understand this is the business model now but it's wrong. I can't see how. If FIFA were charging a fee to host cities you might have a point, but from all my reading the amounts discussed are the required spend on facilities. FIFA has every right to set a certain standard for their competitions, in fact they would be negligent if they didn't. If prospective hosts aren't interested in investing in their own infrastructure to get themselves up to standard then they have nobody else but themselves to blame when they miss out. https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-confirms-brisbane-will-host-this-years-grand-final/news-story/31f58e7651bdec74677ff171892c73efHere's an example Pala of a state that, across all categories, shits all over the Qld bid but didn't pony up enough money. Not that I give a shit about the AFL but it's the broader point of matches and/or events being bought and 'proper', if you like, fans missing out. It stinks. I'm not quite understanding the point you're trying to make. That events/matches shouldn't be bought. IE the WC 2023 matches should not necessarily go to whoever stumps up the most cash.
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+x+x+x+xThe entitlement in that article. Did the author expect to get games there for free? Does he think FIFA getting the ticket revenue for their own tournament is a new development? Yes they and all cities should get games for free. It stinks that cities can outbid others and effectively shut out fans from alternate venues. Basically they're soliciting bribes. I understand this is the business model now but it's wrong. I can't see how. If FIFA were charging a fee to host cities you might have a point, but from all my reading the amounts discussed are the required spend on facilities. FIFA has every right to set a certain standard for their competitions, in fact they would be negligent if they didn't. If prospective hosts aren't interested in investing in their own infrastructure to get themselves up to standard then they have nobody else but themselves to blame when they miss out. https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-confirms-brisbane-will-host-this-years-grand-final/news-story/31f58e7651bdec74677ff171892c73efHere's an example Pala of a state that, across all categories, shits all over the Qld bid but didn't pony up enough money. Not that I give a shit about the AFL but it's the broader point of matches and/or events being bought and 'proper', if you like, fans missing out. It stinks. I'm not quite understanding the point you're trying to make.
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+x+x+xThe entitlement in that article. Did the author expect to get games there for free? Does he think FIFA getting the ticket revenue for their own tournament is a new development? Yes they and all cities should get games for free. It stinks that cities can outbid others and effectively shut out fans from alternate venues. Basically they're soliciting bribes. I understand this is the business model now but it's wrong. I can't see how. If FIFA were charging a fee to host cities you might have a point, but from all my reading the amounts discussed are the required spend on facilities. FIFA has every right to set a certain standard for their competitions, in fact they would be negligent if they didn't. If prospective hosts aren't interested in investing in their own infrastructure to get themselves up to standard then they have nobody else but themselves to blame when they miss out. https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-confirms-brisbane-will-host-this-years-grand-final/news-story/31f58e7651bdec74677ff171892c73efHere's an example Pala of a state that, across all categories, shits all over the Qld bid but didn't pony up enough money. Not that I give a shit about the AFL but it's the broader point of matches and/or events being bought and 'proper', if you like, fans missing out. It stinks.
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“Plans to create a multi-million-dollar soccer hub, with a 1000-seat grandstand, outdoor pitches and two-storey clubhouse, at Gepps Cross are out for public consultation. The development, to be known as the State Centre of Football and forming part of the State Sports Park on Briens Rd, will include a show pitch with a 1000-seat grandstand, two-storey clubhouse, gymnasium, changerooms and 10 outdoor five-a-side pitches.....
Artists impression of the State Centre of Football earmarked for Gepps Cross.An indoor futsal centre with three courts is planned for a later stage of the development.A report by Greenway Architects said the development would cost $19 million, and that Football SA was seeking further funding to complete the project.“The centre will also consolidate football’s identity in South Australia, provide revenue streams to support the sport’s financial sustainability and include a headquarters for FSA and other community football associations,” the report said.The hub will be capable of hosting local games through to FFA Cup matches and national and international training and events. Lifestyles of the world’s best athletes“The project will establish the State Centre of Football as a vital and sustainable grass roots to elite football facility, integrated into the State Sports Park and connected with wider local and regional sports networks and activity,” the report said.“The project will provide facilities that cater for all levels of the sport from social participation to elite level competition as well as a corporate headquarters for FSA.”It said the entrance plaza would be one of the development’s key features, able to host events such as farmers’ markets and community gatherings. Sport Minister Corey Wingard said the vision for the State Sports Park was for an “integrated, multi-use community hub that is greener, more accessible and more welcoming”. “We want to create a first-class facility for our elite athletes and also a place where members of the community can to be more active,” Mr Wingard said. Port Adelaide Enfield Mayor Claire Boan said: “We are excited about working alongside the State Government to create a master plan that will not only improve elite sporting facilities within SA, but also create an amazing new open space for our community to enjoy.” https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/messenger/north-northeast/plans-for-worldclass-soccer-hub-at-gepps-cross-out-for-public-notification/news-story/2106f779c6b0d10fd461f8beabf0c1c8
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Ballymore also had a plan for the 23 WC as a training venue too.
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“The WACA Ground, one of Australian cricket’s most historic venues, is set to be transformed into a “boutique community and sporting destination” after being granted a funding package from the Western Australian government, with the move set to relegate it as a host of international games. The Western Australian Cricket Association (WACA) said its long-held vision to transform the stadium into a sustainable community and sporting hub with cricket at its heart will now become a reality through the A$30m (€18.1m/$21.3m) state investment....
In addition to the state investment, the federal government has committed A$30m towards the project, Cricket Australia will provide A$4m and the WACA will raise another A$10m through its Cricket Foundation....”
https://www.sportbusiness.com/news/waca-ground-to-be-reimagined-following-state-financing/
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Politics and sport. It’s not like both parties don’t make decisions based on their own beneficial factors though, but it would be good to see things go in our favour for once.
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+xMy phone is playing up so can’t paste all the time but- there is a Newcastle article today about a politician from there who is also connected to a local club. They had a $500k request denied. He had a good go at it and even stated FIFA is not going to be impressed as the club will be a training venue.... Yep, it's Newcastle Olympic - we are a safe as houses Labor seat here so always very little chance of the LNP handing out anything. Few articles about it here: - Legal case launched over sports grant bid (23 July)- Newcastle club slams corrupt sports fund (23 July)- Newcastle Olympic Football Club director Kosta Patsan is our hero (27 July)Paste below of the the main bits from the last article: Kosta gave the politicians and bureaucrats in Canberra a big serve for rejecting his soccer club's application for a $500,000 grant.
The club applied for the grant to help fund a new grandstand and dressing sheds at Darling Street Oval in Hamilton South.
The club met the criteria and put its application in on time. Other clubs that didn't meet the criteria and put their applications in late did get funded in a shocking and widely publicised case of pork barrelling.
Kosta didn't pull any punches. He told the inquiry straight what he thought of the Morrison government's handling of the matter and the dodgy way it divvied up $100 million in sports infrastructure funding.
"Our grandstand - essentially it's not a grandstand - it's five levels of metal tiered seating with a roof that was built by volunteers over 30 years ago," he said.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He said the club's ambition was "simply to have more people playing football".
"We measure ourselves on having as many people playing football in Olympic colours as possible.
"We love seeing kids play football."
He added that the club now had popular women's teams. New dressing rooms were badly needed, so males and females could have their own areas to get changed.
His club had been selected as a training venue for the Women's World Cup in 2023.
"Goodness knows what FIFA will do when they come and see the state of this grandstand," he said.
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My phone is playing up so can’t paste all the time but-
there is a Newcastle article today about a politician from there who is also connected to a local club. They had a $500k request denied. He had a good go at it and even stated FIFA is not going to be impressed as the club will be a training venue....
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Via google translate: WOMEN'S WORLD CUP 2019: THE RESULTS OF THE IMPACT STUDY Monday, July 6, 2020 - 3:00 p.m. - Philippe Mayen
FIFA, the FFF and the Local Organizing Committee of the FIFA Women's World Cup France 2019 publish this Monday the results of the economic and environmental impact study of the competition organized in France from June 7 to 7 July 2019.
Hailed for its popular success in terms of attendance and television audiences, the 8 th edition of the largest women's tournament ( 24 équiipes ) attracted 1.2 million French and foreign viewers (for 52 games ) in nine stages host of the competition. These results, the most important in the history of the Women's World Cups, are today confirmed in terms of economic spinoffs at regional and national level in France.
The economic impact study of the sporting event, carried out and consolidated over the past few months, thus reveals € 284 million in benefits for the Gross Domestic Product (GDP), including €108 million in net capital gains for France. For 1 euro spent, the nine cities and territories hosting the competition benefited from a return on investment of 2 to 20 euros of contribution to the GDP. These significant economic spinoffs have benefited many activities, including the hotel, restaurant (18.2 M €), transport (7.3 M €), sports associations and personal services (€9.5 million), education, social and health (€ 12.5 million), commerce (€ 9.1 million) or construction (€ 4.9 million). https://www.fff.fr/actualites/191784-mondial-feminin-2019-les-resultats-de-l-etude-d-impact?themePath=la-fff/It's a pity that the ACT and most likely Tasmania will miss out on that.
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+xApologies if the story answers the question (paywall...) but what's the difference between a "women's football facility" and a "regular" one ? $18 million in investment it seems. Try this article https://www.moretonbaytough.com.au/news/brisbane-roar-score-new-home-in-moreton-bay-regionnote the logo, that logo brought success. I guess the venue will always have WC linked to it.
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Apologies if the story answers the question (paywall...) but what's the difference between a "women's football facility" and a "regular" one ?
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Her council is doing their utmost to ensure that all the space surrounding the stadium is used up ensuring that any FIFA event will never come back. Leagues club park opposite CCLC and the Stadium is now becoming a tidal pool precinct that will be shut down to the public as soon as there is a drowning. The area behind the Western stand she is proposing for a commuter carpark. NFI.
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+xYou'd think that with 3 stadiums in close proximity already being used for actual WC matches that CC Stadium would be one of the ones in line to pick up the slack for the NRL games that would be displaced. I.e. the Knights alone will need somewhere to play their home games for that period. Pass
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You'd think that with 3 stadiums in close proximity already being used for actual WC matches that CC Stadium would be one of the ones in line to pick up the slack for the NRL games that would be displaced. I.e. the Knights alone will need somewhere to play their home games for that period.
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“Mayor Lisa Matthews has signalled a strong push will come from Central Coast Council for the Coast to play a key role in hosting teams and events during the 2023 FIFA Womens’ World Cup.”
https://coastcommunitynews.com.au/central-coast/news/2020/07/push-for-womens-soccer-world-cup-matches-in-gosford/
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+x+xThe Powehouse Museum idea has been cancelled, good that it has according to many. Are there funds now available to refurbish ANZ stadium? That would mean the mothership stadium plus the four offspring stadiums in Sydney to be done. Business is booming all of a sudden! It hasn't - the new museum will go ahead and the old one is staying open. Ah ok
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+xThe Powehouse Museum idea has been cancelled, good that it has according to many. Are there funds now available to refurbish ANZ stadium? That would mean the mothership stadium plus the four offspring stadiums in Sydney to be done. Business is booming all of a sudden! It hasn't - the new museum will go ahead and the old one is staying open.
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The Powehouse Museum idea has been cancelled, good that it has according to many. Are there funds now available to refurbish ANZ stadium? That would mean the mothership stadium plus the four offspring stadiums in Sydney to be done. Business is booming all of a sudden!
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I can understand why it was $6m whether it was 3 games or 6 games. The same establishment costs are required no matter how many games are played at a venue and if someone wants their venue used because of the kudos or the benefit to their region it is reasonable that the venue be made "suitable" at the owners cost.
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That Giant's deal must be pretty close to coming to an end. Maybe Canberra can dedicate that money to the women's world cup?
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+x+xFIFA reported that US$15 billion was injected into the Russian economy thanks to the 2018 WC (more than 1% of the national GDP) and created 315,000 jobs. ( Page 61) Look, I'm glad we're hosting it. I don't mind if the government shells out cash to do so. What I object to is selling matches to the highest bidders. I think fans everywhere (within reason*) deserve an equal opportunity to see matches based on more than 'who can give us the most cash.' Mate I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but I'm not able to agree that host cities were selected on this basis. I think you should be directing your anger at state governments that don't value football (or at least women's football) and aren't willing to provide an appropriate venue, especially when they pay more to have GWS play a few AFL games there, in the example of the ACT. It's not just sport, governments make investments to bring revenue into their jurisdictions all the time with events in the arts, conventions, general tourism, all sorts of things. From my experience, investment in the low millions for an event of this scale is small fry stuff. The ACT only baulked at the cost of a compliant bid because they don't value football and women's football, and of course they didn't want to inconvenience the rugby.
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I'm not here to defend Russian domestic economic policy. I was just passing on what FIFA reports a World Cup can bring to a host. Mind you, I'd be happier than anyone if Australia spent $15 billion on football and transport infrastructure.
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+xFIFA reported that US$15 billion was injected into the Russian economy thanks to the 2018 WC (more than 1% of the national GDP) and created 315,000 jobs. ( Page 61) So a zero nett effect then. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2018/06/08/Russias-World-Cup-Costs-to-Exceed-Record-Setting-14Bln-a61732#:~:text=Altogether%2C%20Russia%20will%20spend%20883,by%20the%20RBC%20business%20portal.https://www.voanews.com/arts-culture/russias-record-breaking-15-billion-world-cup-price-tag-what-does-it-buyWe're getting sidetracked here. Look, I'm glad we're hosting it. I don't mind if the government shells out cash to do so. What I object to is selling matches to the highest bidders. I think fans everywhere (within reason*) deserve an equal opportunity to see matches based on more than 'who can give us the most cash.' *before someone says Tennant Creek should get a game.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe entitlement in that article. Did the author expect to get games there for free? Does he think FIFA getting the ticket revenue for their own tournament is a new development? Yes they and all cities should get games for free. It stinks that cities can outbid others and effectively shut out fans from alternate venues. Basically they're soliciting bribes. I understand this is the business model now but it's wrong. I can't see how. If FIFA were charging a fee to host cities you might have a point, but from all my reading the amounts discussed are the required spend on facilities. FIFA has every right to set a certain standard for their competitions, in fact they would be negligent if they didn't. If prospective hosts aren't interested in investing in their own infrastructure to get themselves up to standard then they have nobody else but themselves to blame when they miss out. I'll give you a non football related example. When the state of origin is held to ransom in NSW with a pay up or its going to Melbourne. Same for the Bledisloe. It's bullshit. I think this falls into that category. I think you're being a bit vague on what "pay up" constitutes. I'm not sure if that means the same thing in the context you're describing, but I don't know anything about what's happening in rugby. Pay up means give the governing body X millions or we'll take it elsewhere. Why should say Tasmania for example miss out on a WWC game because they didn't pay enough cash to secure one. (Yes I know they're getting matches.) Back in the day internationals were allocated on a semi rotational basis so that fans from all parts of the country had an opportunity to see those games. Not any more. Highest bidder wins. It shouldn't always be about who has the most money. I'm a bit confused, are you saying FIFA are charging hosts a fee? Read the reply to the email above and also the newspaper article. Here's an excerpt. If the reported figure of $1 million per game for six matches, or $2 million a game if we hosted three matches are close to the mark, it’s no wonder the ACT Government rejected the deal. Neither the email or that quote specify what that money is spent on. From what I've seen I am sure that this is referring to the money required to get their venue and facilities up to scratch. If FIFA charges a fee to the hosts of their tournaments this is the first I'm hearing of it. What are you talking about. It clearly says $1 million per match or $2million for 3 matches. (Presumably for later matches or Matildas games.) If that money was for upgrades then they would have said we need these facilities to meet this standard. Even if these figures aren't exact (and there's no reason to doubt they aren't) then it's still a request for payment in order to host matches.' It may not be FIFA. It could be the FFA. I'm not sure what you find so hard to believe about this. Just about every big event is shopped around these days to 'extort' the most money out of the city who wants to host XYZ event. Just look at something like the Adelaide Grand Prix which was moved from there to Melbourne because they got a better deal. It happens all the time The next thing they'll do in Australia is that fucked thing they do in America where they just pick up a team holus bolus and move them to another city because they got more inducements, a better tax advantage or just a straight out cash payment. Cities shouldn't be able to buy events off other cities by virtue of extortion full stop. Otherwise it's just a giant race to the bottom. The bid book lists "temporary facilities costs" for each venue in USD, eg. $2,515,361 for Homebush and $1,775,370 for AAMI Park. I'm guessing the figured cited in your quotes is mostly that. So about 3.5 million AUD for Homebush but 6 million AUD for Canberra. Uh huh. Also, and again who knows if that report is accurate, they're saying they get none of the gate takings. Sounds like a shit deal all round. FIFA have always taken the ticket revenue from all world cups in modern history. It's FIFA's event, why should anyone else get the ticket revenue? The ticket revenue normally goes to the organising body to offset the cost of running the event. FIFA gets its revenue from the broadcast rights and sponsorship partners. FIFA's ticket revenues from the 2018 WC are discussed in detail from page 34 in their 2018 financial report: https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/xzshsoe2ayttyquuxhq0.pdfAs far as I can tell, FIFA run the ticketing themselves directly out of Zurich, trading as FIFA Ticketing AG. It also states in this chapter that FIFA covers all the costs of the Local Organising Committee. Thanks for that pala.
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