My main concern it doesn't seem to mention pro-rel directly, unless im mistaken about point 4 in the principles.

Hes hoping its well received unlike the hopeless 20 year plan Gallop put out 5 years ago.

I'm up to page 25, it's an interesting document & discussion piece.   Everyone should have a squizz.  

what a steaming pile of hot vapid air
11 great examples of how to actually say nothing

who is getting paid to waste their time doing this shit?

In summary form it is the usual buzzwords, but the underlying concepts are right. 

And that is exactly the point. If he came out and said this is the way the way things will happen people would disagree with him for not consulting and say their pet view is best. 
 
JJ is not saying these are the solutions. I'm sure he has his views on what are the solutions for each of the areas but he needs to consult the stake holders. He is saying these are the principles against which we should be judging any solutions against and these are the areas that need to be addressed.

It is not a solutions documents - but the solutions will based on it.  

Because clubs not under a franchise model aren’t all about protecting their investment? 

I don’t think it is the usual buzzwords - not from the FFA at least. 

under Gallop’s leadership we got very holistic statements and crucially, very little execution. 

2030 World Cup bid? 

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/buoyant-australia-eyes-another-bid-for-men-s-world-cup

Would be happy with England 2030 then 3034

New FFA = old FFA

Southern South America will surely host a centennial 2030, and after hosting the 2023 Asian Cup China will be hard to beat for 2034, meaning the next possible time we could host would be 2042.

true, no one can argue PL/Clubs and the like protect themselves BUT AJF is right, whilst we have another tier, our top one as a separate entity via Franchise it will always be a mountain to climb to enhance change with those below them.
It will always be about money, much more for them or more so not agreeing.
I could be wrong, maybe it will be managed well together but I doubt it.

Whilst its a bit corny, I like the idea of the 11 principles. Something a little bit different to grab some attention. The summary reads well. It is worthwhile not having a timeline on it, as there are a lot of issues which can hold things up. Once a deadline is missed, the nay sayers then come running. Better to not be specific, even though that engenders some angst from people.

Then what the fuck was the point of bringing the FFA to the edge of collapse!!!

Out of that chaos whe've had sponsors leave, ratings/crowds drop significantly and a drop in TV rights far bigger than other codes % wise.

What the fuck is wrong with the owners?

you talk crap sometimes Waz, in an open pyramid the only thing that protects your investment is performance so clubs invest to stay up. Similarly, entry to higher tiers is based on performance. Strong survive, weak get relegated to their level.

Franchise models, like AL, MLS and McDonalds are focused on placing artificial impediments to restrict competition amongst franchisees and maximize their investment return, decisions like where new francise's are located are based on metrics and not performance (ie lets add more derbies to main markets of Melb and Syd).

I mean it is embarrassing that O'Rourke feels like he has to ask AL coaches to play attacking football to improve the product so fans may come back! Talk about peak AL.

Coaches urged to remove shackles and entertain in A-League restart

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/a-league-bonanza-revealed-27-games-in-28-days-one-week-finals-series-20200701-p557zf.html

Nice attempt at deflection but franchise model is dying, football public has lost interest in the stale product they are serving and if we dont quickly move to a traditional competition and club system, the few Fan Boi's like you that are still interested will be looking for new teams to support

It doesn’t seem to matter what model has been used, as every decade or so we go through boom and bust cycles.

The NSL used a more conventional club model and failed, so there’s more to it than that. We need to find ways to embed the game and having infighting at every turn is never going to help us, which has been one of the key reasons for the lack of interest by many in recent years.

The NSL didnt fail, it was killed by Lowy. The fact that 3 non effnik teams moved from the NSL to AL and all the old NSL clubs still exist (with their facilities) tells you that.

NSL wasnt perfect and I agree it was probably time for a change, but what we have ended up with is a road to nowhere. I mean despite being the "biggest" and most profitable team in the AL, the fact MV still trains on a public park tells you the last 15 years have been squandered.

Will any of us be around in 3034?

The NSL failed because it wasnt professional. It didnt have commercial support and the best it could amount to was a breeding ground for overseas clubs

The A League was supposed to open football up to commercial opportunities and improve the pathway. It was supposed to close the gap between the top league and the next level and Lowy even said he wanted 50% of the Socceroos team to be Australian based players for home games (back in the days of club v country debate)

Instead the A League got greedy with metrics and now its about nothing but the commercial side of the game

People who follow the Australian game do so because they are interested in an Australian league and Australian teams. By default they accept we'll never have the best players here but we'll at least have a decent league we can follow. At least one with dignity

If anybody thinks the game here is boring unless CCM have a chance of winning the title, they are clearly the wrong audience and they should find another league to follow. The FFA need to go back to 2003 and start over. Look at what was important to the game then and deliver it

Let us save FFA lots of time and money on research, what is needed are these;

a) Transfer fees
b) SECOND DIVISION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! try and fail rather than never try !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
c) Further Expansion
d) Lower fees to pay for juniors by Parents, get rid of bottom up system to fund seniors
e) Youth rep teams to play more than 7 matches a year, minimum 20 matches

Each of these can be ticked off as each task is completed!

Agree with South America for 2030 - apparently to be shared between 4 countries. 

2034 Morocco will probably bid for as well and would only be the second African country. We then need to get AFC support ahead of China. We have already delivered a good 2015 Asian Cup and if we deliver a great 2023 WWC then we may sneak ahead there.  Again a combined bid with New Zealand and Indonesia may be the way to go.         

Point a,d & e are linked, if NPL and community clubs got transfer fees, then watch them lower fees and promote youth (ie give them more game time) as it would be an easy revenue source. 

I'd like to see us as an equal parter in an AFF bid. They're already going for 2034: https://www.bangkokpost.com/sports/1768444/thailand-to-lead-asean-bid-for-2034-world-cup

That article actually says that Indonesia and Australia had held talks about a joint 2034 bid earlier, so maybe that means we'd be allowed to join in.

That's a very interesting concept. Singapore and Indonesia already have or are building stadiums with retractable roofs. 55,000 in Singapore and 82,000 in Jakarta.. KL also has a 87,000 stadium used for the Commonwealth Games but it has a running track around it,  Vietnam looks a long shot and Thailand can probably only cater for group stage games at the moment.

If you assumed Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia and us then we would host at least 20 games and 12 teams for the group stages,

Throw in Auckland (the only stadium that would comply) and you would have an ASEAN-Oceania bid. That could be a compelling case against a China bid since none of those countries will likely get to host on their own. Indonesia could be a hub, Singapore and Malaysia and Australia NZ a third   

The only stadium in Sydney would be the upgraded Homebush, SFS will only be around 42,000.
AAMI and Lang Park would all need to be expanded/upgraded.
Adelaide would surely get their CBD stadium that they have talked about for years.
If Perth want any games then Optus would need to be made available or a new stadium built (possible but unlikely).

TBH though unless UEFA beats Sth America for 2030 they would 2034. 

Just quickly on the franchise argument i.e. Hal clubs ... most NSL clubs were also franchise clubs ...

I, one million  zillion % agree we need to move to P & R .... but all or most clubs across the two divisions will be franchise clubs.. 

Factual correction. 
The NSL was killed by John Howard with Lowy as his henchman.

We need the German model of club ownership.

For those interested in the history of the transfer system 
https://spartacus-educational.com/Ftransfer.htm

A lot of people arent prepared for that reality

A professional game requires a professional and commercial set up. Some governments and local investors will back existing clubs (such as Wollongong) where as others will try to consolidate support in a region by creating a new club instead of backing one of 5 or 6 clubs in the region

At the end of the day its a moot point. We need a professional and competitive league in place and whatever gets us that outcome is the best system. IMO people wanting their state league clubs at the top level is no different to those who want an AFL / NRL model. Its people chasing a romantic idea of how they want the game to work instead of whats practical

Throw the bids out to the community and see what comes back

Malaysia actually have two athletics stadiums in the 80k range, the 87k from the Commonwealth Games and another 80k one. The new 82k rectangular Jakarta International Stadium looks like it will be awesome and surely the leading candidate for the final for an AFF WC. Even Cambodia are building a brand new 75k athletics stadium for the 2023 Southeast Asian Games. Thailand really should build a new rectangular stadium where the old National Stadium is (site of my first international away trip, not to be confused with Rajamangala Stadium which is where their national team plays, but is only a 50k athletics stadium) as it's right in a great location in downtown Bangkok at the centre of their public transport.

Of course, China are going to blow everyone out of the water. Guangzhou Evergrande have already started on their $1.7 billion 100k seater rectangular stadium, scheduled to finish at the end of 2022 so would presumably be used for the 2023 Asian Cup. It will eclipse the Nou Camp as the largest association football stadium in the world.

They released a new design for the roof yesterday:



Evergrande (the company) plan to build two to five more 80k stadiums around China as well.