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Gyfox - 5 Jul 2020 6:28 PM
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Football hasn't been here for 170 years in fact it hasn't existed for that long.  Are you aware that both Rugby Union and AFL existed in this country before football arrived here?  They have every right to exist and to compete for support from the population.  I accept that the bias of the press and media has been a problem to football but having other codes of football in the market is just a reality that we have to accept.

According to the VFL's "own history", BOTH Rugby and Football were played in Australia long before Aussie Rules was conceived.

In fact, according to their own history, the very first "ball" used during the first 3 or 4 years of Aussie Rules, was a "round football" taken directly from Football.


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According to the VFL's "own history", BOTH Rugby and Football were played in Australia long before Aussie Rules was conceived.

In fact, according to their own history, the very first "ball" used during the first 3 or 4 years of Aussie Rules, was a "round football" taken directly from Football.


https://australianfootball.com/articles/view/Football+in+Australia+in+the+1850s/113

A short extract from the above article titled "Football In Australia in The 1850's" - (170 years ago):

By the 1850s football practice in the United Kingdom had diverged into three distinct forms. The village folk football still continued in a number of areas though attenuated and confined by the authorities.[1] In the public schools and the universities a number of variants of the game were played which had distinct and specific sets of rules.[2] Small-sided games of football sometimes for monetary or physical rewards were being played in various parts of England and Scotland.[3] The latter type of football can also be found in Australia in the mid-nineteenth century. Most of the examples uncovered so far were not the rough village games but something much closer to association football (soccer) as it was codified in England in 1863.

A notice in the Port Phillip Herald of 30 March 1850, under the heading of ‘Old English Easter Sports’ and advertising a ‘Grand Football Match for a Silver Watch’, is not untypical.[4] In late 1850 the Port Philip District of New South Wales marked its separation from its northern neighbour as it became the colony of Victoria with effect from the first of January 1851. Celebrations began in November and lasted five days. The final day, Saturday 23 November, was given over to a carnival of gymnastic games at Emerald Hill on Beach Road, and the last event was a football match. ‘FOOT-BALL—A match at foot-ball between two sides of 12 each concluded the sports. The game was all on one side from the beginning, and won easily by Mr Barry and his 11’.[5] No more detailed account of this game has been found so far. The crowd watching the games had started small but had grown throughout the day and despite the provision of alcohol, the papers reported that there had been no unseemly incidents. So this appears to have been a small-sided game for which no special explanation was necessary for the readers.




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https://australianfootball.com/articles/view/Football+in+Australia+in+the+1850s/113

A short extract from the above article titled "Football In Australia in The 1850's" - (170 years ago):

By the 1850s football practice in the United Kingdom had diverged into three distinct forms. The village folk football still continued in a number of areas though attenuated and confined by the authorities.[1] In the public schools and the universities a number of variants of the game were played which had distinct and specific sets of rules.[2] Small-sided games of football sometimes for monetary or physical rewards were being played in various parts of England and Scotland.[3] The latter type of football can also be found in Australia in the mid-nineteenth century. Most of the examples uncovered so far were not the rough village games but something much closer to association football (soccer) as it was codified in England in 1863.

A notice in the Port Phillip Herald of 30 March 1850, under the heading of ‘Old English Easter Sports’ and advertising a ‘Grand Football Match for a Silver Watch’, is not untypical.[4] In late 1850 the Port Philip District of New South Wales marked its separation from its northern neighbour as it became the colony of Victoria with effect from the first of January 1851. Celebrations began in November and lasted five days. The final day, Saturday 23 November, was given over to a carnival of gymnastic games at Emerald Hill on Beach Road, and the last event was a football match. ‘FOOT-BALL—A match at foot-ball between two sides of 12 each concluded the sports. The game was all on one side from the beginning, and won easily by Mr Barry and his 11’.[5] No more detailed account of this game has been found so far. The crowd watching the games had started small but had grown throughout the day and despite the provision of alcohol, the papers reported that there had been no unseemly incidents. So this appears to have been a small-sided game for which no special explanation was necessary for the readers.



https://themongrelpunt.com/afl-season-2019/2019/08/21/a-history-of-rule-changes/

A short extract from the above article titled "A History Of [VFL] Rule Changes:

THE ORIGINAL RULES

Australian Rules Football was invented by Tom Wills, a Victorian cricketer who grew up on a bushland property. At fourteen he studied in Rugby, England, where he formulated a game which he later took back to the Melbourne Cricket Club with whom he devised the sport of Australian Rules Football as a way to keep the Victorian team fit during the off-season. According to the official AFL history, the game is adapted from the Indigenous game of Marngrook, in which a ball made of Kangaroo hide was thrown and caught. However, many historians debate this, suggesting there is a lack of evidence to support the claim. What is more widely accepted is that the game stemmed from Wills witnessing Association Football (Soccer) and Rugby Football, as well as that of the Gaelic, but some similarities to Marngrook do suggest he was at least influenced by, if not directly taking from the Indigenous game.

The game didn’t start with a bang but instead grew steadily. The first adjusted rules, posted on Saturday, July 29, 1859 in The Argus newspaper, appear in a column on page 5, crammed between the report of a Footscray council meeting and a suicide.


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And the point is?

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https://themongrelpunt.com/afl-season-2019/2019/08/21/a-history-of-rule-changes/

A short extract from the above article titled "A History Of [VFL] Rule Changes:

THE ORIGINAL RULES

Australian Rules Football was invented by Tom Wills, a Victorian cricketer who grew up on a bushland property. At fourteen he studied in Rugby, England, where he formulated a game which he later took back to the Melbourne Cricket Club with whom he devised the sport of Australian Rules Football as a way to keep the Victorian team fit during the off-season. According to the official AFL history, the game is adapted from the Indigenous game of Marngrook, in which a ball made of Kangaroo hide was thrown and caught. However, many historians debate this, suggesting there is a lack of evidence to support the claim. What is more widely accepted is that the game stemmed from Wills witnessing Association Football (Soccer) and Rugby Football, as well as that of the Gaelic, but some similarities to Marngrook do suggest he was at least influenced by, if not directly taking from the Indigenous game.

The game didn’t start with a bang but instead grew steadily. The first adjusted rules, posted on Saturday, July 29, 1859 in The Argus newspaper, appear in a column on page 5, crammed between the report of a Footscray council meeting and a suicide.

https://www.theroar.com.au/afl/longform/the-murky-origins-of-australias-football-codes-525150/

Yet another deeply researched article "proving indisputably", that Association Football had been played in Australia, many, many years earlier than the bullshit "Aussie Rules created myth", that the game has ONLY been played in this country since 1880!


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https://www.theroar.com.au/afl/longform/the-murky-origins-of-australias-football-codes-525150/

Yet another deeply researched article "proving indisputably", that Association Football had been played in Australia, many, many years earlier than the bullshit "Aussie Rules created myth", that the game has ONLY been played in this country since 1880!

https://turfmate.com.au/the-history-of-the-sherrin/
 

The history of the Sherrin

 
  Written by:    The erratic bounce of the old Sherrin on footy grounds around the country has delighted up and sometimes confounded us for more than 100 years. It seems fitting that Australia’s indigenous football code should have its own ball, but how did it happen? Who invented the Aussie rules football and why?The great grand-nephew of its inventor, T.W. (Thomas William) Sherrin, says necessity was the mother of invention and turned a Collingwood saddler and his flattish oval ball into Australian sporting legends. Syd Sherrin said round balls and rugby balls were used in early Australian rules matches, with English rugby balls becoming more popular by the 1870s as the game developed. But the free-running Aussie code meant more loose balls bouncing around the grounds.


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bettega - 6 Jul 2020 8:23 AM
And the point is?

The "POINT" is, here is the proof;

1. That "Football has been played in Australia for more than 170 years" and was here long before either Aussie Rules or Rugby League were even conceived of; and,

2. That Aussie Rules was first played using a "round football".



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The "POINT" is, here is the proof;

1. That "Football has been played in Australia for more than 170 years" and was here long before either Aussie Rules or Rugby League were even conceived of; and,

2. That Aussie Rules was first played using a "round football".


Ir was also played on a rectangular ground.
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bettega - 6 Jul 2020 8:23 AM

The "POINT" is, here is the proof;

1. That "Football has been played in Australia for more than 170 years" and was here long before either Aussie Rules or Rugby League were even conceived of; and,

2. That Aussie Rules was first played using a "round football".


Various forms of folk football have existed for millennia, indeed there are forms which pre-date European colonisation of Australia, such as Woggaballiri:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woggabaliri

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Brian Kidd - 6 Jul 2020 4:14 PM
bettega - 6 Jul 2020 8:23 AM

The "POINT" is, here is the proof;

1. That "Football has been played in Australia for more than 170 years" and was here long before either Aussie Rules or Rugby League were even conceived of; and,

2. That Aussie Rules was first played using a "round football".


The game of football we know as Association Football did not exist 170 years ago and therefore could not have been played in Australia then.  It is true that the games played in England that ultimately lead to the codification of Rugby (1845) and Football (1863) found their way to Australia but they were not the Football that we follow and the rules varied depending on where the games were played and where the participants had come from.
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Gyfox - 6 Jul 2020 9:18 PM
Brian Kidd - 6 Jul 2020 4:14 PM

The game of football we know as Association Football did not exist 170 years ago and therefore could not have been played in Australia then.  It is true that the games played in England that ultimately lead to the codification of Rugby (1845) and Football (1863) found their way to Australia but they were not the Football that we follow and the rules varied depending on where the games were played and where the participants had come from.

That's fine BUT!.............You can't have YOUR cake and EAT it too!

Using your logic "Aerial Ping Pong" did NOT begin in 1858 as the AFL "claim" as the game that was played at that time, bore ZERO resemblance to the game played today!

A more believable starting date for that game is 1897.


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Brian Kidd - 7 Jul 2020 12:55 PM
Gyfox - 6 Jul 2020 9:18 PM

That's fine BUT!.............You can't have YOUR cake and EAT it too!

Using your logic "Aerial Ping Pong" did NOT begin in 1858 as the AFL "claim" as the game that was played at that time, bore ZERO resemblance to the game played today!

A more believable starting date for that game is 1897.

But who on here gives a damn about what the AFL say??
They can say the game started in Ancient Greece for all I care.

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The second survey based on developing ‘Resetting the Australian football narrative’ is now live. 

The focus of Principle II is to develop a new narrative for football which signifies a fresh start for the game in Australia, successfully ties together all new initiatives and distinguishes it from other sporting codes in the country.



https://www.ffa.com.au/xi-principles/principle-ii-survey

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Brian Kidd - 7 Jul 2020 12:55 PM
Gyfox - 6 Jul 2020 9:18 PM

That's fine BUT!.............You can't have YOUR cake and EAT it too!

Using your logic "Aerial Ping Pong" did NOT begin in 1858 as the AFL "claim" as the game that was played at that time, bore ZERO resemblance to the game played today!

A more believable starting date for that game is 1897.

I am not having my cake and eating it too.  The fact is that Association Football didn't exist until the laws of the game were written in 1863.  I made no comment about AFL.  It is irrelevant.


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Brian Kidd - 7 Jul 2020 12:55 PM

I am not having my cake and eating it too.  The fact is that Association Football didn't exist until the laws of the game were written in 1863.  I made no comment about AFL.  It is irrelevant.


This.

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11 Point plan = nothing more than motherhood statements. Is repetition all we get after 2 years of the new FFA?

In a resort somewhere

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paulc - 9 Jul 2020 12:15 PM
11 Point plan = nothing more than motherhood statements. Is repetition all we get after 2 years of the new FFA?

How can you NOT know it hasn’t been 2 years yet? 
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How can you NOT know it hasn’t been 2 years yet? 

C'mon Waz, why let facts get in the way of a good whinge....
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Waz - 9 Jul 2020 12:31 PM
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How can you NOT know it hasn’t been 2 years yet? 

Closer than 1 year, yeah!

In a resort somewhere

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It's around 19 months.

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NO I don't actually, I just find these small local parochial sports an absolute "nuisance" and together with their shadowy and creepy media supporters, they have proven to be THE MAJOR "hindrance" to Football's progression in this country for almost 170 years!!! 

And by BOTH "pretending and promoting" themselves as being associated in some way with some of Football's most famous clubs, to "gullible" Australians, on top of their already blatant adoption and usage of Football's vernacular, from adopting and using the word “Football” many, many years ago, to the more recent adoption of terms such as “midfielder”,“playmaker”, “sweeper” and “derbies” and phrases like “between the lines” to the OPEN copying and adapting of Football's "playing systems" and even the game's "junior academies and sports science systems", truly angers me, especially when there has never been any attempt to STOP them, by the FFA from doing it!



Its called cross pollination and completely fine to borrow from other sports. Football is at the cutting edge of sports science and therefore other codes are absolutely doing the right thing borrowing from that. 

In this crazy world of coronavirus, economic depressions, locust plagues, environmental uncertainty - its a bit baffling that 'THIS" is keeping you up at night. 

I think its great that the wider population use world famous Football clubs as a benchmark or a pinnacle to try and imitate.
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Gyfox - 9 Jul 2020 10:42 AM
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I am not having my cake and eating it too.  The fact is that Association Football didn't exist until the laws of the game were written in 1863.  I made no comment about AFL.  It is irrelevant.


I disagree, Association Football was the result of unifying to the best of abilities the various century old games of football. Obviously it split into the running game, or Rugby, and the kicking game, or Football. You can give the codification date as 1863 if you like, but the reality is that Association Football is the unification of football. 

What is the point? The point is that our game keeps trying to reinvent itself and in so doing destroys the historical links and traditions to the game that has been played here from before the township of Melbourne was settled, let alone had its own football rules.

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So, to summarise. 57 pages. And not a single mention of pro-rel or a NSD.

"real football person" ...

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libel - 10 Jul 2020 7:58 PM
So, to summarise. 57 pages. And not a single mention of pro-rel or a NSD.

"real football person" ...

No mention from you in the women's world cup thread ya fucking pelican. 
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libel - 10 Jul 2020 7:58 PM
So, to summarise. 57 pages. And not a single mention of pro-rel or a NSD.

"real football person" ...

“ real football person “ ?  You’re ‘avin a larf’.
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libel - 10 Jul 2020 7:58 PM
So, to summarise. 57 pages. And not a single mention of pro-rel or a NSD.

We've done this one already.
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There is an interview with Johnson on TWG today. 

Less promising. Also explain WSW NSW situation...,
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scott20won - 23 Jul 2020 3:58 PM
There is an interview with Johnson on TWG today. 

Less promising. Also explain WSW NSW situation...,

What isn’t promising about it? There is nothing wrong with WSW invited into NPL1 considering they have a lot of Olympic eligible players.
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Barca4Life - 23 Jul 2020 4:39 PM
scott20won - 23 Jul 2020 3:58 PM

What isn’t promising about it? There is nothing wrong with WSW invited into NPL1 considering they have a lot of Olympic eligible players.

Didn’t like the answer to the last question.

Also I think the answer to the Arnold question isn’t answered correctly either. How many players get more than 25 games in other countries due to promotion? In Australia it is zero and the same players keep raising the average age level
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