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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWinter Football simply has to happen despite of the obstacles. Just put the game up, as its best possible product, and let it compete with the other codes on its merits. Honestly, at its best, it stands up very well. Lol no it's not, the ratings have been absolutely shocking. Mate, go and watch Ninja Warrior, it has good ratings. Don't waste your time on this guy or the small cabal of Aussie Rules trolls that he runs with. He's just a serial pest sent here to do the bidding of the AFL Moron, I've been an a-l supporter since the beginning. I just don't like seeing idiot decisions (or potential decisions) being made that make the league commercially unviable LOL if your claims were even remotely true, then you would be supporting the move to winter Football Why would i support a move that would likely erode the revenue base of the competition significantly. Absolutely stupid decisions like these threaten the survival of a-l teams. Because that revenue is gone regardless of which season it is in. The falling ratings happened in summer. You are trying to tell me that the quality of the product doesn't matter, what matters is playing in summer when AFL fans can watch and reducing the salary cap so all the teams are equal. By concentrating on the football we can at least have a proper model and better quality. I'm telling you, you don't need football, you need It's a Knockout or something. What do you mean the revenue is gone? The next season is a 30 mill contract, this is based on the rough viewing average of 30,000 (from memory). The average ratings for winter have been around 10,000! So yes that 30mill a year can go much lower if the FFA want to commit suicide and have the a-l in winter. There will almost certainly be crowd drop offs as well. We'll of course have teams financially collapsing left, right and center but hey, the quality right! As long as the TRUE football supporters are satisfied on a forum then it's all hunky dori Whats happening in the Swans Pies game? Actually watching adl v syd. But of course you've resorted to a cheap shot because the numbers are against your point of view. Got it.. Oh wow, so you think football people will watch football first in winter? I don't care about some vague term "football person" used by douchebags. I care about the numbers as they will dictate future of the league's ability to survive. Winter football has produced on average 1/3 of the viewers as summer football. That's the bottom line. Got it, so build football, i mean soccer, into a format that will get AFL fans to watch and maximise our revenue whilst not producing better football, sorry soccer, or soccer players....is that it?
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Jegga7698
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWinter Football simply has to happen despite of the obstacles. Just put the game up, as its best possible product, and let it compete with the other codes on its merits. Honestly, at its best, it stands up very well. Lol no it's not, the ratings have been absolutely shocking. Mate, go and watch Ninja Warrior, it has good ratings. Don't waste your time on this guy or the small cabal of Aussie Rules trolls that he runs with. He's just a serial pest sent here to do the bidding of the AFL Moron, I've been an a-l supporter since the beginning. I just don't like seeing idiot decisions (or potential decisions) being made that make the league commercially unviable LOL if your claims were even remotely true, then you would be supporting the move to winter Football Why would i support a move that would likely erode the revenue base of the competition significantly. Absolutely stupid decisions like these threaten the survival of a-l teams. Because that revenue is gone regardless of which season it is in. The falling ratings happened in summer. You are trying to tell me that the quality of the product doesn't matter, what matters is playing in summer when AFL fans can watch and reducing the salary cap so all the teams are equal. By concentrating on the football we can at least have a proper model and better quality. I'm telling you, you don't need football, you need It's a Knockout or something. What do you mean the revenue is gone? The next season is a 30 mill contract, this is based on the rough viewing average of 30,000 (from memory). The average ratings for winter have been around 10,000! So yes that 30mill a year can go much lower if the FFA want to commit suicide and have the a-l in winter. There will almost certainly be crowd drop offs as well. We'll of course have teams financially collapsing left, right and center but hey, the quality right! As long as the TRUE football supporters are satisfied on a forum then it's all hunky dori Whats happening in the Swans Pies game? Actually watching adl v syd. But of course you've resorted to a cheap shot because the numbers are against your point of view. Got it.. Oh wow, so you think football people will watch football first in winter? I don't care about some vague term "football person" used by douchebags. I care about the numbers as they will dictate future of the league's ability to survive. Winter football has produced on average 1/3 of the viewers as summer football. That's the bottom line. I support the game being played in winter, because most of the players want it, and it's for their well being. I'm sick of this league handicapping itself vs the NRL/AFL and other AFC leagues just because we don't have the spine to think about ourselves. remember, football is the most played sport in the country and we should do everything to take advantage of that. to hell with what everyone thinks. That's fine, but their gonna have to learn to become part time players, because that's all the league will be able to afford if a winter switch is permanent.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWinter Football simply has to happen despite of the obstacles. Just put the game up, as its best possible product, and let it compete with the other codes on its merits. Honestly, at its best, it stands up very well. Lol no it's not, the ratings have been absolutely shocking. Mate, go and watch Ninja Warrior, it has good ratings. Don't waste your time on this guy or the small cabal of Aussie Rules trolls that he runs with. He's just a serial pest sent here to do the bidding of the AFL Moron, I've been an a-l supporter since the beginning. I just don't like seeing idiot decisions (or potential decisions) being made that make the league commercially unviable LOL if your claims were even remotely true, then you would be supporting the move to winter Football Why would i support a move that would likely erode the revenue base of the competition significantly. Absolutely stupid decisions like these threaten the survival of a-l teams. Because that revenue is gone regardless of which season it is in. The falling ratings happened in summer. You are trying to tell me that the quality of the product doesn't matter, what matters is playing in summer when AFL fans can watch and reducing the salary cap so all the teams are equal. By concentrating on the football we can at least have a proper model and better quality. I'm telling you, you don't need football, you need It's a Knockout or something. What do you mean the revenue is gone? The next season is a 30 mill contract, this is based on the rough viewing average of 30,000 (from memory). The average ratings for winter have been around 10,000! So yes that 30mill a year can go much lower if the FFA want to commit suicide and have the a-l in winter. There will almost certainly be crowd drop offs as well. We'll of course have teams financially collapsing left, right and center but hey, the quality right! As long as the TRUE football supporters are satisfied on a forum then it's all hunky dori Whats happening in the Swans Pies game? Actually watching adl v syd. But of course you've resorted to a cheap shot because the numbers are against your point of view. Got it.. Oh wow, so you think football people will watch football first in winter? I don't care about some vague term "football person" used by douchebags. I care about the numbers as they will dictate future of the league's ability to survive. Winter football has produced on average 1/3 of the viewers as summer football. That's the bottom line. I support the game being played in winter, because most of the players want it, and it's for their well being. I'm sick of this league handicapping itself vs the NRL/AFL and other AFC leagues just because we don't have the spine to think about ourselves. remember, football is the most played sport in the country and we should do everything to take advantage of that. to hell with what everyone thinks. That's fine, but their gonna have to learn to become part time players, because that's all the league will be able to afford if a winter switch is permanent. It's the price we have to pay. we don't have that drive to be the best league in Asia because we want to send our best players to Europe to boost our national team.
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Barca4Life
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If you want the aleague to stay in the summer then we should call it soccer again because football belongs in the winter.
Ive haven't enjoyed the aleague as much as now maybe since its peak in 2014, great games, great tempo and decent quality on display especially the young talent on show whom only been impressive.
Sick of the insecurities and negativity which has plied our sport for way too long, just want the sport to back itself for once!
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Brian Kidd
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWinter Football simply has to happen despite of the obstacles. Just put the game up, as its best possible product, and let it compete with the other codes on its merits. Honestly, at its best, it stands up very well. Lol no it's not, the ratings have been absolutely shocking. Mate, go and watch Ninja Warrior, it has good ratings. Don't waste your time on this guy or the small cabal of Aussie Rules trolls that he runs with. He's just a serial pest sent here to do the bidding of the AFL Moron, I've been an a-l supporter since the beginning. I just don't like seeing idiot decisions (or potential decisions) being made that make the league commercially unviable LOL if your claims were even remotely true, then you would be supporting the move to winter Football Why would i support a move that would likely erode the revenue base of the competition significantly. Absolutely stupid decisions like these threaten the survival of a-l teams. Because that revenue is gone regardless of which season it is in. The falling ratings happened in summer. You are trying to tell me that the quality of the product doesn't matter, what matters is playing in summer when AFL fans can watch and reducing the salary cap so all the teams are equal. By concentrating on the football we can at least have a proper model and better quality. I'm telling you, you don't need football, you need It's a Knockout or something. What do you mean the revenue is gone? The next season is a 30 mill contract, this is based on the rough viewing average of 30,000 (from memory). The average ratings for winter have been around 10,000! So yes that 30mill a year can go much lower if the FFA want to commit suicide and have the a-l in winter. There will almost certainly be crowd drop offs as well. We'll of course have teams financially collapsing left, right and center but hey, the quality right! As long as the TRUE football supporters are satisfied on a forum then it's all hunky dori Whats happening in the Swans Pies game? Actually watching adl v syd. But of course you've resorted to a cheap shot because the numbers are against your point of view. Got it.. Oh wow, so you think football people will watch football first in winter? I don't care about some vague term "football person" used by douchebags. I care about the numbers as they will dictate future of the league's ability to survive. Winter football has produced on average 1/3 of the viewers as summer football. That's the bottom line. Got it, so build football, i mean soccer, into a format that will get AFL fans to watch and maximise our revenue whilst not producing better football, sorry soccer, or soccer players....is that it? +xIf you want the aleague to stay in the summer then we should call it soccer again because football belongs in the winter. Ive haven't enjoyed the aleague as much as now maybe since its peak in 2014, great games, great tempo and decent quality on display especially the young talent on show whom only been impressive. Sick of the insecurities and negativity which has plied our sport for way too long, just want the sport to back itself for once! + 2 Million......................Perfectly articulated
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+x+x+x+xWinter Football simply has to happen despite of the obstacles. Just put the game up, as its best possible product, and let it compete with the other codes on its merits. Honestly, at its best, it stands up very well. Lol no it's not, the ratings have been absolutely shocking. Mate, go and watch Ninja Warrior, it has good ratings. Don't waste your time on this guy or the small cabal of Aussie Rules trolls that he runs with. He's just a serial pest sent here to do the bidding of the AFL Yeah just the latest of stooges on here that "doesn't mind the sokkah" but resents football culture and just wants the A-League to resemble AFL-lite so it's more familiar to them.
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Brian Kidd
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWinter Football simply has to happen despite of the obstacles. Just put the game up, as its best possible product, and let it compete with the other codes on its merits. Honestly, at its best, it stands up very well. Lol no it's not, the ratings have been absolutely shocking. Mate, go and watch Ninja Warrior, it has good ratings. Don't waste your time on this guy or the small cabal of Aussie Rules trolls that he runs with. He's just a serial pest sent here to do the bidding of the AFL Moron, I've been an a-l supporter since the beginning. I just don't like seeing idiot decisions (or potential decisions) being made that make the league commercially unviable LOL if your claims were even remotely true, then you would be supporting the move to winter Football Why would i support a move that would likely erode the revenue base of the competition significantly. Absolutely stupid decisions like these threaten the survival of a-l teams. Because that revenue is gone regardless of which season it is in. The falling ratings happened in summer. You are trying to tell me that the quality of the product doesn't matter, what matters is playing in summer when AFL fans can watch and reducing the salary cap so all the teams are equal. By concentrating on the football we can at least have a proper model and better quality. I'm telling you, you don't need football, you need It's a Knockout or something. What do you mean the revenue is gone? The next season is a 30 mill contract, this is based on the rough viewing average of 30,000 (from memory). The average ratings for winter have been around 10,000! So yes that 30mill a year can go much lower if the FFA want to commit suicide and have the a-l in winter. There will almost certainly be crowd drop offs as well. We'll of course have teams financially collapsing left, right and center but hey, the quality right! As long as the TRUE football supporters are satisfied on a forum then it's all hunky dori Whats happening in the Swans Pies game? Actually watching adl v syd. But of course you've resorted to a cheap shot because the numbers are against your point of view. Got it.. Oh wow, so you think football people will watch football first in winter? I don't care about some vague term "football person" used by douchebags. I care about the numbers as they will dictate future of the league's ability to survive. Winter football has produced on average 1/3 of the viewers as summer football. That's the bottom line. Got it, so build football, i mean soccer, into a format that will get AFL fans to watch and maximise our revenue whilst not producing better football, sorry soccer, or soccer players....is that it? As I have claimed before, this guy just another Aussie Rules troll/pest and everything he has written since i made that claim has simply confirmed it.
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There is no argument that football quality is better in colder weather.
There is also no argument less people are watching football in winter.
So...Less money and better football vs more money and worse football.
Or start /finish in winter,have a summer break.
Or stop playing during the day in summer..No. 35C games.At night its rarely going to get above 25C.
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+xThere is no argument that football quality is better in colder weather. There is also no argument less people are watching football in winter. So...Less money and better football vs more money and worse football. Or start /finish in winter,have a summer break. Or stop playing during the day in summer..No. 35C games. At night its rarely going to get above 25C. Several years ago I was down in Melbourne with my family to watch the Strayan Open & there was a Melbourne Heart game on during a break in the tennis. The game was a Saturday night on one of the hottest days I've ever seen with 45 degrees during the day & even by the time 7:30 rolled around it was still 37 degrees and as oppressive as hell. I didn't notice any degradation in the quality of the football however those players must have been completely fucked after that game. I still think it's a player safety issue regardless of drink breaks & player conditioning.
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Jegga7698
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWinter Football simply has to happen despite of the obstacles. Just put the game up, as its best possible product, and let it compete with the other codes on its merits. Honestly, at its best, it stands up very well. Lol no it's not, the ratings have been absolutely shocking. Mate, go and watch Ninja Warrior, it has good ratings. Don't waste your time on this guy or the small cabal of Aussie Rules trolls that he runs with. He's just a serial pest sent here to do the bidding of the AFL Moron, I've been an a-l supporter since the beginning. I just don't like seeing idiot decisions (or potential decisions) being made that make the league commercially unviable LOL if your claims were even remotely true, then you would be supporting the move to winter Football Why would i support a move that would likely erode the revenue base of the competition significantly. Absolutely stupid decisions like these threaten the survival of a-l teams. Because that revenue is gone regardless of which season it is in. The falling ratings happened in summer. You are trying to tell me that the quality of the product doesn't matter, what matters is playing in summer when AFL fans can watch and reducing the salary cap so all the teams are equal. By concentrating on the football we can at least have a proper model and better quality. I'm telling you, you don't need football, you need It's a Knockout or something. What do you mean the revenue is gone? The next season is a 30 mill contract, this is based on the rough viewing average of 30,000 (from memory). The average ratings for winter have been around 10,000! So yes that 30mill a year can go much lower if the FFA want to commit suicide and have the a-l in winter. There will almost certainly be crowd drop offs as well. We'll of course have teams financially collapsing left, right and center but hey, the quality right! As long as the TRUE football supporters are satisfied on a forum then it's all hunky dori Whats happening in the Swans Pies game? Actually watching adl v syd. But of course you've resorted to a cheap shot because the numbers are against your point of view. Got it.. Oh wow, so you think football people will watch football first in winter? I don't care about some vague term "football person" used by douchebags. I care about the numbers as they will dictate future of the league's ability to survive. Winter football has produced on average 1/3 of the viewers as summer football. That's the bottom line. Got it, so build football, i mean soccer, into a format that will get AFL fans to watch and maximise our revenue whilst not producing better football, sorry soccer, or soccer players....is that it? As I have claimed before, this guy just another Aussie Rules troll/pest and everything he has written since i made that claim has simply confirmed it. My goodness, This is extremely cultish behavior! All I did was bring up the glaringly obvious fact that the winter ratings for football are shit. And if you want to go down this path it will be financially perilous for a league in which teams are already barely surviving. But I guess this reality doesn't matter....
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+x+x+x+x+xWinter Football simply has to happen despite of the obstacles. Just put the game up, as its best possible product, and let it compete with the other codes on its merits. Honestly, at its best, it stands up very well. Lol no it's not, the ratings have been absolutely shocking. Mate, go and watch Ninja Warrior, it has good ratings. Don't waste your time on this guy or the small cabal of Aussie Rules trolls that he runs with. He's just a serial pest sent here to do the bidding of the AFL Yeah just the latest of stooges on here that "doesn't mind the sokkah" but resents football culture and just wants the A-League to resemble AFL-lite so it's more familiar to them. I want the a-league to survive and be the biggest it can be. Poor strategic directions will hasten its death.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWinter Football simply has to happen despite of the obstacles. Just put the game up, as its best possible product, and let it compete with the other codes on its merits. Honestly, at its best, it stands up very well. Lol no it's not, the ratings have been absolutely shocking. Mate, go and watch Ninja Warrior, it has good ratings. Don't waste your time on this guy or the small cabal of Aussie Rules trolls that he runs with. He's just a serial pest sent here to do the bidding of the AFL Yeah just the latest of stooges on here that "doesn't mind the sokkah" but resents football culture and just wants the A-League to resemble AFL-lite so it's more familiar to them. I want the a-league to survive and be the biggest it can be. Poor strategic directions will hasten its death. If you want Australia to produce the best players possible in an ever competitive global game then any strategic decision should reflect that. Not on crowds or metrics but on football development.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWinter Football simply has to happen despite of the obstacles. Just put the game up, as its best possible product, and let it compete with the other codes on its merits. Honestly, at its best, it stands up very well. Lol no it's not, the ratings have been absolutely shocking. Mate, go and watch Ninja Warrior, it has good ratings. Don't waste your time on this guy or the small cabal of Aussie Rules trolls that he runs with. He's just a serial pest sent here to do the bidding of the AFL Yeah just the latest of stooges on here that "doesn't mind the sokkah" but resents football culture and just wants the A-League to resemble AFL-lite so it's more familiar to them. I want the a-league to survive and be the biggest it can be. Poor strategic directions will hasten its death. So will doing nothing, which is what has been done over the last decade.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWinter Football simply has to happen despite of the obstacles. Just put the game up, as its best possible product, and let it compete with the other codes on its merits. Honestly, at its best, it stands up very well. Lol no it's not, the ratings have been absolutely shocking. Mate, go and watch Ninja Warrior, it has good ratings. Don't waste your time on this guy or the small cabal of Aussie Rules trolls that he runs with. He's just a serial pest sent here to do the bidding of the AFL Yeah just the latest of stooges on here that "doesn't mind the sokkah" but resents football culture and just wants the A-League to resemble AFL-lite so it's more familiar to them. I want the a-league to survive and be the biggest it can be. Poor strategic directions will hasten its death. If you want Australia to produce the best players possible in an ever competitive global game then any strategic decision should reflect that. Not on crowds or metrics but on football development. That's fine but lower metrics = less money in the long term. That means a good chance there will be part time footballers in the a-league, less money for academy systems etc..
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWinter Football simply has to happen despite of the obstacles. Just put the game up, as its best possible product, and let it compete with the other codes on its merits. Honestly, at its best, it stands up very well. Lol no it's not, the ratings have been absolutely shocking. Mate, go and watch Ninja Warrior, it has good ratings. Don't waste your time on this guy or the small cabal of Aussie Rules trolls that he runs with. He's just a serial pest sent here to do the bidding of the AFL Yeah just the latest of stooges on here that "doesn't mind the sokkah" but resents football culture and just wants the A-League to resemble AFL-lite so it's more familiar to them. I want the a-league to survive and be the biggest it can be. Poor strategic directions will hasten its death. If you want Australia to produce the best players possible in an ever competitive global game then any strategic decision should reflect that. Not on crowds or metrics but on football development. That's fine but lower metrics = less money in the long term. That means a good chance there will be part time footballers in the a-league, less money for academy systems etc.. You're just posted full of assumptions without any evidence this will happen.
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Jegga7698
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWinter Football simply has to happen despite of the obstacles. Just put the game up, as its best possible product, and let it compete with the other codes on its merits. Honestly, at its best, it stands up very well. Lol no it's not, the ratings have been absolutely shocking. Mate, go and watch Ninja Warrior, it has good ratings. Don't waste your time on this guy or the small cabal of Aussie Rules trolls that he runs with. He's just a serial pest sent here to do the bidding of the AFL Yeah just the latest of stooges on here that "doesn't mind the sokkah" but resents football culture and just wants the A-League to resemble AFL-lite so it's more familiar to them. I want the a-league to survive and be the biggest it can be. Poor strategic directions will hasten its death. So will doing nothing, which is what has been done over the last decade. Not all changes are beneficial, for instance the a-league has temporarily changed to winter and the ratings have dropped by two thirds. You can make changes and have worse outcomes...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWinter Football simply has to happen despite of the obstacles. Just put the game up, as its best possible product, and let it compete with the other codes on its merits. Honestly, at its best, it stands up very well. Lol no it's not, the ratings have been absolutely shocking. Mate, go and watch Ninja Warrior, it has good ratings. Don't waste your time on this guy or the small cabal of Aussie Rules trolls that he runs with. He's just a serial pest sent here to do the bidding of the AFL Yeah just the latest of stooges on here that "doesn't mind the sokkah" but resents football culture and just wants the A-League to resemble AFL-lite so it's more familiar to them. I want the a-league to survive and be the biggest it can be. Poor strategic directions will hasten its death. If you want Australia to produce the best players possible in an ever competitive global game then any strategic decision should reflect that. Not on crowds or metrics but on football development. That's fine but lower metrics = less money in the long term. That means a good chance there will be part time footballers in the a-league, less money for academy systems etc.. You're just posted full of assumptions without any evidence this will happen. If ratings drop over the long term explain to me how the TV rights will maintain their value? No one knows the future, but you have make decisions by analysing the past. And recent history has shown the tv rights value has dropped dramatically due to lowering of ratings. If ratings drop again then so will the tv rights. Less rights = less amount to pay players.
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@Jegga.
Spot on.
Some these guys are borderline delusional.
Football CAN survive in winter. But not as a full-pro league. Which means players will not be training as much and as often,the facilities will be worse, because the money won't be there to be full time, and hence the standard will decline. So the reason for going to winter seasons in the first place- the football quality-will no longer exist. Then what?
They just haven't thought this one through...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWinter Football simply has to happen despite of the obstacles. Just put the game up, as its best possible product, and let it compete with the other codes on its merits. Honestly, at its best, it stands up very well. Lol no it's not, the ratings have been absolutely shocking. Mate, go and watch Ninja Warrior, it has good ratings. Don't waste your time on this guy or the small cabal of Aussie Rules trolls that he runs with. He's just a serial pest sent here to do the bidding of the AFL Yeah just the latest of stooges on here that "doesn't mind the sokkah" but resents football culture and just wants the A-League to resemble AFL-lite so it's more familiar to them. I want the a-league to survive and be the biggest it can be. Poor strategic directions will hasten its death. If you want Australia to produce the best players possible in an ever competitive global game then any strategic decision should reflect that. Not on crowds or metrics but on football development. That's fine but lower metrics = less money in the long term. That means a good chance there will be part time footballers in the a-league, less money for academy systems etc.. You're just posted full of assumptions without any evidence this will happen. If ratings drop over the long term explain to me how the TV rights will maintain their value? No one knows the future, but you have make decisions by analysing the past. And recent history has shown the tv rights value has dropped dramatically due to lowering of ratings. If ratings drop again then so will the tv rights. Less rights = less amount to pay players. The only thing I could say is the future of broadcasting possibly will be streaming, the way Foxtel isn't going to survive in the long term unless its through massive handouts. Data needs to find how many still would prefer to watch via TV broadcasting over streaming services via a smart TV now and going forward. Metrics were below in the summer too, so I dont think things would improve as much as people like even if we stayed in the warm summer months. Its a hard slog either way. I just want a football league like everywhere, not this metrics bullcrap because the game will keep going in circles if they try to find the perfect sweet spot which might not exist anyway.
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Enzo Bearzot
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWinter Football simply has to happen despite of the obstacles. Just put the game up, as its best possible product, and let it compete with the other codes on its merits. Honestly, at its best, it stands up very well. Lol no it's not, the ratings have been absolutely shocking. Mate, go and watch Ninja Warrior, it has good ratings. Don't waste your time on this guy or the small cabal of Aussie Rules trolls that he runs with. He's just a serial pest sent here to do the bidding of the AFL Yeah just the latest of stooges on here that "doesn't mind the sokkah" but resents football culture and just wants the A-League to resemble AFL-lite so it's more familiar to them. I want the a-league to survive and be the biggest it can be. Poor strategic directions will hasten its death. If you want Australia to produce the best players possible in an ever competitive global game then any strategic decision should reflect that. Not on crowds or metrics but on football development. That's fine but lower metrics = less money in the long term. That means a good chance there will be part time footballers in the a-league, less money for academy systems etc.. You're just posted full of assumptions without any evidence this will happen. If ratings drop over the long term explain to me how the TV rights will maintain their value? No one knows the future, but you have make decisions by analysing the past. And recent history has shown the tv rights value has dropped dramatically due to lowering of ratings. If ratings drop again then so will the tv rights. Less rights = less amount to pay players. The only thing I could say is the future of broadcasting possibly will be streaming, the way Foxtel isn't going to survive in the long term unless its through massive handouts. Data needs to find how many still would prefer to watch via TV broadcasting over streaming services via a smart TV now and going forward. Metrics were below in the summer too, so I dont think things would improve as much as people like even if we stayed in the warm summer months. Its a hard slog either way. I just want a football league like everywhere, not this metrics bullcrap because the game will keep going in circles if they try to find the perfect sweet spot which might not exist anyway. You can't always get what you want. But you might just get what you need.
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Footballking55
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The move is on. WINTER it is. The Football has been much better in this COVID period than before. Lets get on with it. NSD is needed SIMPLES. Lets get on with it. Pussy footing around serves no purpose whatsoever.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWinter Football simply has to happen despite of the obstacles. Just put the game up, as its best possible product, and let it compete with the other codes on its merits. Honestly, at its best, it stands up very well. Lol no it's not, the ratings have been absolutely shocking. Mate, go and watch Ninja Warrior, it has good ratings. Don't waste your time on this guy or the small cabal of Aussie Rules trolls that he runs with. He's just a serial pest sent here to do the bidding of the AFL Yeah just the latest of stooges on here that "doesn't mind the sokkah" but resents football culture and just wants the A-League to resemble AFL-lite so it's more familiar to them. I want the a-league to survive and be the biggest it can be. Poor strategic directions will hasten its death. If you want Australia to produce the best players possible in an ever competitive global game then any strategic decision should reflect that. Not on crowds or metrics but on football development. That's fine but lower metrics = less money in the long term. That means a good chance there will be part time footballers in the a-league, less money for academy systems etc.. You're just posted full of assumptions without any evidence this will happen. If ratings drop over the long term explain to me how the TV rights will maintain their value? No one knows the future, but you have make decisions by analysing the past. And recent history has shown the tv rights value has dropped dramatically due to lowering of ratings. If ratings drop again then so will the tv rights. Less rights = less amount to pay players. The only thing I could say is the future of broadcasting possibly will be streaming, the way Foxtel isn't going to survive in the long term unless its through massive handouts. Data needs to find how many still would prefer to watch via TV broadcasting over streaming services via a smart TV now and going forward. Metrics were below in the summer too, so I dont think things would improve as much as people like even if we stayed in the warm summer months. Its a hard slog either way. I just want a football league like everywhere, not this metrics bullcrap because the game will keep going in circles if they try to find the perfect sweet spot which might not exist anyway. You can't always get what you want. But you might just get what you need. yet another Aussie Rules fanboy desperate to keep "Football" in it's designated (by AFL) place
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWinter Football simply has to happen despite of the obstacles. Just put the game up, as its best possible product, and let it compete with the other codes on its merits. Honestly, at its best, it stands up very well. Lol no it's not, the ratings have been absolutely shocking. Mate, go and watch Ninja Warrior, it has good ratings. Don't waste your time on this guy or the small cabal of Aussie Rules trolls that he runs with. He's just a serial pest sent here to do the bidding of the AFL Moron, I've been an a-l supporter since the beginning. I just don't like seeing idiot decisions (or potential decisions) being made that make the league commercially unviable LOL if your claims were even remotely true, then you would be supporting the move to winter Football Why would i support a move that would likely erode the revenue base of the competition significantly. Absolutely stupid decisions like these threaten the survival of a-l teams. Because that revenue is gone regardless of which season it is in. The falling ratings happened in summer. You are trying to tell me that the quality of the product doesn't matter, what matters is playing in summer when AFL fans can watch and reducing the salary cap so all the teams are equal. By concentrating on the football we can at least have a proper model and better quality. I'm telling you, you don't need football, you need It's a Knockout or something. What do you mean the revenue is gone? The next season is a 30 mill contract, this is based on the rough viewing average of 30,000 (from memory). The average ratings for winter have been around 10,000! So yes that 30mill a year can go much lower if the FFA want to commit suicide and have the a-l in winter. There will almost certainly be crowd drop offs as well. We'll of course have teams financially collapsing left, right and center but hey, the quality right! As long as the TRUE football supporters are satisfied on a forum then it's all hunky dori Whats happening in the Swans Pies game? Actually watching adl v syd. But of course you've resorted to a cheap shot because the numbers are against your point of view. Got it.. Oh wow, so you think football people will watch football first in winter? I don't care about some vague term "football person" used by douchebags. I care about the numbers as they will dictate future of the league's ability to survive. Winter football has produced on average 1/3 of the viewers as summer football. That's the bottom line. Got it, so build football, i mean soccer, into a format that will get AFL fans to watch and maximise our revenue whilst not producing better football, sorry soccer, or soccer players....is that it? As I have claimed before, this guy just another Aussie Rules troll/pest and everything he has written since i made that claim has simply confirmed it. My goodness, This is extremely cultish behavior! All I did was bring up the glaringly obvious fact that the winter ratings for football are shit. And if you want to go down this path it will be financially perilous for a league in which teams are already barely surviving. But I guess this reality doesn't matter.... I don't give 2 shits if the ratings are going to be shit. these players and future stars should be playing in conditions which they can actually push themselves past their limit. i certainly don't want starts to push themselves in summer and get a heat stroke as a result.
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this thread should be left to enzo/jegga/kidd and the other summer supporters. Leave them in the heat fellas. All the money in the world doesn't save a franchise system that failed in the best time to play according to them with least resistance and all, hooray for covid.
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+x@Jegga. Spot on. Some these guys are borderline delusional. Football CAN survive in winter. But not as a full-pro league. Which means players will not be training as much and as often,the facilities will be worse, because the money won't be there to be full time, and hence the standard will decline. So the reason for going to winter seasons in the first place- the football quality-will no longer exist. Then what? They just haven't thought this one through... Going by the ratings, your comment on surviving only as a semi pro league applies to summer as well. I do think that what this argument should be taking into account is the fact that, given the A League's current situation (which is utterly unlike AFL or NRL, who have commenced their seasons rather than tacked on a belated, half arsed ending) is highly anomalous and in this context the ratings offer not even a skerrick of an indication of what winter ratings would be for a conventionl season. I'm not saying that they would be better - just that what we have is not any kind of valid basis for an argument.
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There is no money in winter football.So standards will drop.That is why the NSL went to summer.
Imagine the salary cap for a media deal that gives you 10k viewers.
The irony would be our youth going to Thailand and Malaysia to get decent money.... where its hot all the time Lol
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
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+xThere is no money in winter football.So standards will drop.That is why the NSL went to summer. Imagine the salary cap for a media deal that gives you 10k viewers. The irony would be our youth going to Thailand and Malaysia to get decent money.... where its hot all the time Lol Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. That’s all well and good. Just create a scenario where they are sold. There is money in that. Australians would most likely be +1 So spots are limited. on that note Mitch Duke off to Saudi Arabia soon.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWinter Football simply has to happen despite of the obstacles. Just put the game up, as its best possible product, and let it compete with the other codes on its merits. Honestly, at its best, it stands up very well. Lol no it's not, the ratings have been absolutely shocking. Mate, go and watch Ninja Warrior, it has good ratings. Don't waste your time on this guy or the small cabal of Aussie Rules trolls that he runs with. He's just a serial pest sent here to do the bidding of the AFL Yeah just the latest of stooges on here that "doesn't mind the sokkah" but resents football culture and just wants the A-League to resemble AFL-lite so it's more familiar to them. I want the a-league to survive and be the biggest it can be. Poor strategic directions will hasten its death. If you want Australia to produce the best players possible in an ever competitive global game then any strategic decision should reflect that. Not on crowds or metrics but on football development. That's fine but lower metrics = less money in the long term. That means a good chance there will be part time footballers in the a-league, less money for academy systems etc.. You're just posted full of assumptions without any evidence this will happen. If ratings drop over the long term explain to me how the TV rights will maintain their value? No one knows the future, but you have make decisions by analysing the past. And recent history has shown the tv rights value has dropped dramatically due to lowering of ratings. If ratings drop again then so will the tv rights. Less rights = less amount to pay players. The only thing I could say is the future of broadcasting possibly will be streaming, the way Foxtel isn't going to survive in the long term unless its through massive handouts. Data needs to find how many still would prefer to watch via TV broadcasting over streaming services via a smart TV now and going forward. Metrics were below in the summer too, so I dont think things would improve as much as people like even if we stayed in the warm summer months. Its a hard slog either way. I just want a football league like everywhere, not this metrics bullcrap because the game will keep going in circles if they try to find the perfect sweet spot which might not exist anyway. You can't always get what you want. But you might just get what you need. Please explain.
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+x[quote]There is no argument that football quality is better in colder weather.
There is also no argument less people are watching football in winter.
So...Less money and better football vs more money and worse football.
Or start /finish in winter,have a summer break.
Or stop playing during the day in summer..No. 35C games.At night its rarely going to get above 25C. All though the word quality is often used in this argument, it's probably the incorrect word. The players are still the same. The skill level is still the same. However the 'quality' is perceived as higher by the audience in colder climates because the pace is higher and sustained throughout the full 90 minutes. So in essence we are seeing more of the players' best. You would also be hard pressed to find a professional player or coach that doesn't prefer the colder months. Game day (or night in the A-Leagues case), is only one aspect. It's important to remember that professional players train nearly every day. The colder months would allow for more intense training sessions during the daytime which could potentially result in better performances on game day. During the summer months, training isn't called off because of the heat, but the session intensity is often relaxed during those really hot days.
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The other thing that isn't taken into account is the mental fatigue in the heat. Players can be fit and run all day in the heat, to a degree, but they can't avoid mental fatigue. It slows down the thought process and stifles the creativity. Playing in the heat makes the game more about fitness and stamina but is a lot more machine like. It is the quicker thought processes and the enhanced creativity that I am enjoying in the winter.
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