The Aussies Abroad Thread 2


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Bit on today. Don't expect Souttar to feature but it's FA Cup away to Chelsea.

Lunch time game between Ryan and hopefully Garang at some point. 

Big away day for Iredale in Hamburg so hopefully some minutes. 

Bos plays the late evening game. I suspect hell arrive in Australia Tuesday night. Being the only left back, I don't think 48 hours will hinder him so much. Perhaps it'll be Rowles at left back the first game.
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Kuol bench. No back 5 today so a better chance he'll get on. Grazor pointing out Yengi has fewer minutes this season shows Kuol had a pretty good first half year. Volendam just such an ad hoc rabble.

Definitely an EFL loan or even permanent move next season. Is it really bad for Kuol to just move to Cambridge or Exeter? If he's good enough those clubs will be looking to sell for a handsome profit in 2 seasons.

Continent is fine provided he doesn't get bogged down. 
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johnszasz - 17 Mar 2024 9:36 PM
Kuol bench. No back 5 today so a better chance he'll get on. Grazor pointing out Yengi has fewer minutes this season shows Kuol had a pretty good first half year. Volendam just such an ad hoc rabble.

Definitely an EFL loan or even permanent move next season. Is it really bad for Kuol to just move to Cambridge or Exeter? If he's good enough those clubs will be looking to sell for a handsome profit in 2 seasons.

Continent is fine provided he doesn't get bogged down. 

I watched Koul when he played for Heart.  The main problem is his defence , his poor decision making and he didn't have the end product.
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Yengi's form is massive for the NT. If Arnie doesn't start him he should be heavily scrutinised. 
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Hmm no Iredale. Not listed as injured. I suppose the coach said get on the plane early and have some family time. Disappointing but some windows can allow for that. 
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Souttar not in squad. Best he just gets over to Australia. He needs to sack his agent and Leicester have been incredibly stubborn in his case. 
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Souttar is not even on the bench.  Damn! I hate this coach. He didn't trust Souttar at all. 

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mark_000au - 17 Mar 2024 11:31 PM
Souttar is not even on the bench.  Damn! I hate this coach. He didn't trust Souttar at all. 

I'd be somewhat understanding if Souttar were 4th choice for a big campaign. He's brought in another youth centre back. I think Souttar now ranks 7th. Disgraceful for a player of his calibre and I don't want to hear 'maybe he's just not that good' it's rubbish. 
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Kuol isnt getting game time because the coach and half the club resigned in protest

When kuol played he had a goal of the month, an assist, they have gotten 7 points from 8 games he started, compared to 7 points in 18 games he hasnt started. He also has a great highlight package showing his technique and peripheral vision in the league

The new coach plays a back 5, 3 defensive mids, 1 attacking mid and a center forward. Kuol only comes on when they are chasing the game and do a formation change

Even then, today they go down 2 zip and decide to sub on a defensive mid and a defender

In any case, if kuol can get better off the ball, both in finding pockets of space and defending, i think he can end up epl level. Of course you can never predict how hard a player will work or how much luck with injuries they have. An acl will make most players come back to the a league. 

In australia we just need to produce more kuols and arzanis so that bad luck doesnt hurt us as much
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johnszasz - 17 Mar 2024 11:47 PM
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I'd be somewhat understanding if Souttar were 4th choice for a big campaign. He's brought in another youth centre back. I think Souttar now ranks 7th. Disgraceful for a player of his calibre and I don't want to hear 'maybe he's just not that good' it's rubbish. 

Ideal scenario for me is leicester bottle promotion, leeds get promoted and sign souttar. 
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johnszasz - 17 Mar 2024 11:47 PM
mark_000au - 17 Mar 2024 11:31 PM

I'd be somewhat understanding if Souttar were 4th choice for a big campaign. He's brought in another youth centre back. I think Souttar now ranks 7th. Disgraceful for a player of his calibre and I don't want to hear 'maybe he's just not that good' it's rubbish. 

You say that it is rubbish if people say “ maybe he is not that good “, the very fact that as a 25 year old, he has only played 160 games. That is not a great deal for someone playing in the UK.


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SUTHERLANDBEAR - 17 Mar 2024 11:59 PM
johnszasz - 17 Mar 2024 11:47 PM

You say that it is rubbish if people say “ maybe he is not that good “, the very fact that as a 25 year old, he has only played 160 games. That is not a great deal for someone playing in the UK.


I mean... given he's been out for the whole season (pretty much) that's probably taken about 30 off his total? So.. 190 he should have been at had he started?
Just going to get some comparisons from around the world (just did a search for 25 year old footballers), only counting senior club/national games (excluding B team games)

Harry Souttar 163
Trent Alexander Arnold 242
Cucurella 177
Tomiyasu 229
Kolo Muani 159
Donnarumma 350
Alexis Mac Allister 223
Achraf Hakimi 252
Christian Pulisic 287
Martin Odegaard 298
Mason Mount 237
Kylian Mbappe 315
Daniel Arzani 91
Christian Romero 202
Manuel Locatelli 259
Douglas Luiz 241
Lloyd Kelly 162
Romain Faivre 116
Lisandro Martinez 172


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SUTHERLANDBEAR - 17 Mar 2024 11:59 PM
johnszasz - 17 Mar 2024 11:47 PM

You say that it is rubbish if people say “ maybe he is not that good “, the very fact that as a 25 year old, he has only played 160 games. That is not a great deal for someone playing in the UK.


He'd played plenty until the ACL that kept him out for 12 months. It's just wrong to say Souttar isn't good. Every time he's called upon he puts in a decent shift. He's just in a stupid situation at Leicester and he and he's representatives needed to fight a lot more in winter to get a move. 
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grazorblade - 17 Mar 2024 11:56 PM
johnszasz - 17 Mar 2024 11:47 PM

Ideal scenario for me is leicester bottle promotion, leeds get promoted and sign souttar. 

He's suited to the English game but also I'd love to see a German club sign him and the awe of this monster who can also land a 45m ball on a dime. 
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NicCarBel - 18 Mar 2024 1:04 AM
SUTHERLANDBEAR - 17 Mar 2024 11:59 PM

I mean... given he's been out for the whole season (pretty much) that's probably taken about 30 off his total? So.. 190 he should have been at had he started?
Just going to get some comparisons from around the world (just did a search for 25 year old footballers), only counting senior club/national games (excluding B team games)

Harry Souttar 163
Trent Alexander Arnold 242
Cucurella 177
Tomiyasu 229
Kolo Muani 159
Donnarumma 350
Alexis Mac Allister 223
Achraf Hakimi 252
Christian Pulisic 287
Martin Odegaard 298
Mason Mount 237
Kylian Mbappe 315
Daniel Arzani 91
Christian Romero 202
Manuel Locatelli 259
Douglas Luiz 241
Lloyd Kelly 162
Romain Faivre 116
Lisandro Martinez 172


But, he hasn’t played them 30 games,as obviously the manager doesn’t rate him. I think his native Scotland is his level.
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Case in point for double jeopardy rule there. Doyle clips Jackson. Initial decision penalty and yellow. VAR sees it outside the box so free kick and red. 
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Did anyone watch the game Leicester started Souttar vs Liverpool?  Did he make many mistakes?

I felt like that's his last chance to play for Leicester.   
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mark_000au - 18 Mar 2024 2:03 AM
Did anyone watch the game Leicester started Souttar vs Liverpool?  Did he make many mistakes?

I felt like that's his last chance to play for Leicester.   

Yeah. He was fine. The first half was really good and the highlights don't show all the clearances and blocks. It was an immense first half display considering how little he'd played before. Leicester fans were saying they could imagine him being even sharper with regular games.

I think the first Liverpool goal he let Gapko go expecting his teammates to play him offside. His teammates needed to get closer to close down that shot. The third goal was a great flick and Souttar's fatigue and concentration was showing in the final stages of the game. I don't think the manager pinned anything against him here. He simply has his preferences and has played them all season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwIarMNQDPs

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Volpato on for Sassuolo
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Sassuolo lost and are now second last. I think relegation would be great for our chances at capping Volpato, so would be happy with that outcome. 
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johnszasz - 18 Mar 2024 1:28 AM
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He'd played plenty until the ACL that kept him out for 12 months. It's just wrong to say Souttar isn't good. Every time he's called upon he puts in a decent shift. He's just in a stupid situation at Leicester and he and he's representatives needed to fight a lot more in winter to get a move. 

He is probably on good wages since his transfer was made when they were in the EPL
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grazorblade - 17 Mar 2024 11:56 PM
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Ideal scenario for me is leicester bottle promotion, leeds get promoted and sign souttar. 

Leeds top of the Championship, so we're halfway there 
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Bos with 85 mins in a 1-1 draw against Genk. Unlucky to not hold on for all 3 points, with Genk equalising a minute after Bos was subbed 
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Baccus not even off the bench this round. He gets time now and then. He's either asked for a move or gotten offside with boss or both. He became incredibly negligent in his play as it's gone to his head a bit. Time to switch on again and get the basics right.
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I watched Koul when he played for Heart.  The main problem is his defence , his poor decision making and he didn't have the end product.

I tend to agree. His weak frame doesn't help and gets out muscled. He has pretty poor off ball movement and his end product has always been rough. Thankfully, all these things can be improved but very evident he is likely a 3+ year project before he reaps the benefits. 
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Jordan Bos's regular season is now complete and KVC Westerlo avoided the 'Relegation round' and are in the 'Conference League Play-off group' which is a round-robin playoff tournament between the middle 6 teams. Aiden O'Neill's Standard Liege are also in that group but he is injured so...
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johnszasz - 18 Mar 2024 1:28 AM

He is probably on good wages since his transfer was made when they were in the EPL

Yeah but when he got frozen and not playing. His value is already dropping from £15 mills to £9 mills on transfer market.  Wherever he goes next his wage will also drop. 
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johnszasz - 17 Mar 2024 9:36 PM
Definitely an EFL loan or even permanent move next season. Is it really bad for Kuol to just move to Cambridge or Exeter? If he's good enough those clubs will be looking to sell for a handsome profit in 2 seasons.

I look at someone like Ben White... was playing League One 5 years ago... apparently he trains the fucking house down every session. Someone needs to get Kuol to somewhere where he can play every week. A few years and he could be EPL quality.
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