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+x+x+x+xaverage 9,9949,1116,7435,6245,4895,3315,1554,8754,1023,7292,7401,145 So if nothing else that proves that crowds aren't necessary to run a comp. Let's go NSD. Would laugh my arse off if big matches in the NSD, if it ever gets going, pull more than matches in the A league. And it will happen. How many people attend the big derbies in the NPL, e.g. South Melbourne-Heidelberg, Sydney Utd-Sydney Olympic, etc.? At best a couple of thousand, even before Covid. I don't think the same match-ups in a putative NSD will get that much fans along to them (I am adamantly for an NSD, however). And if you look around the world you will pretty consistently see the biggest crowds in the second division are higher than the smallest crowds in the top division. There's nothing inherently embarrassing about it. A-League will probably return to around 10k average crowds once they have a season that isn't stuffed around by Covid. An NSD will be fortunate to average 2000 per game when it starts. So I wouldn't gloat so much. If the NSD is played in summer the crowds will be bigger.
The npl in its current form isn’t built for crowds, half the league plays on the same night which dilutes the attendances, you have the state leagues and juniors on at the same time of the year. I know so many South fans who simply can’t get to the games because they have junior commitments with their kids or they’re involved at a local club.
I think even Victory felt the pinch the other week going up against a stack of Friday night npl games, what was it 6k or something against McArthur? I imagine it will be a winter comp, otherwise how will they have pro-rel with the NPL? Your perspective is interesting. But I think you'd find that if South Melbourne played in summer there would be just as many people with excuses: summer holidays, Australian Open, it's too hot, etc., etc. That's just reality. It would at least be good if they could schedule A-League and NPL games not to clash with each other.
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Melbcityguy
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18k at the derby
Mariners drew 1k in mudgee
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Footballking55
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+x18k at the derby Mariners drew 1k in mudgee Was a good crowd for the derby.
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+x+x18k at the derby Mariners drew 1k in mudgee Was a good crowd for the derby. Which derby was on this weekend?
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+x+x18k at the derby Mariners drew 1k in mudgee Was a good crowd for the derby. so 18k is now "a good crowd for the derby" ? Sheesh.
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df1982
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+x+x+x18k at the derby Mariners drew 1k in mudgee Was a good crowd for the derby. so 18k is now "a good crowd for the derby" ? Sheesh. Melbourne City was at home, so not far off what they would normally get to the derby pre-Covid (usually 25k or so).
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AyyLeague
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Attendances from the weekend
Friday 18th March
Newcastle vs Wellington - 4353
Saturday 19th March
Central Coast vs Macarthur - 1057 [Played at Mudgee]
Sydney vs Western United - 3269
City vs Victory - 18080
Perth vs Brisbane - 4593
Sunday 20th March
Western Sydney vs Adelaide - 5077
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Attendances from the weekend
Friday 25th March
Newcastle vs Sydney - 4424
Saturday 26th March
Brisbane vs Western United - 4935
Macarthur vs City - 2713
Central Coast vs Adelaide - 3086
Sunday 27th March
Sydney Women vs City Women - 5027 [ALW Grand Final]
Victory vs Western Sydney - 6014
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charlied
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+xAttendances from the weekend Friday 25th MarchNewcastle vs Sydney - 4424Saturday 26th MarchBrisbane vs Western United - 4935Macarthur vs City - 2713Central Coast vs Adelaide - 3086Sunday 27th MarchSydney Women vs City Women - 5027 [ALW Grand Final]Victory vs Western Sydney - 6014 NSL Level
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Monoethnic Social Club
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+x+xAttendances from the weekend Friday 25th MarchNewcastle vs Sydney - 4424Saturday 26th MarchBrisbane vs Western United - 4935Macarthur vs City - 2713Central Coast vs Adelaide - 3086Sunday 27th MarchSydney Women vs City Women - 5027 [ALW Grand Final]Victory vs Western Sydney - 6014 NSL Level When do you think the APL clubs will cut their losses and run? Serious question.... its gotta be hurting them financially ... these days its got to cost more in petrol to drive the players to the ground than what someone like McArthur can make from 2k crowds?
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AyyLeague
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+x+x+xAttendances from the weekend Friday 25th MarchNewcastle vs Sydney - 4424Saturday 26th MarchBrisbane vs Western United - 4935Macarthur vs City - 2713Central Coast vs Adelaide - 3086Sunday 27th MarchSydney Women vs City Women - 5027 [ALW Grand Final]Victory vs Western Sydney - 6014 NSL Level When do you think the APL clubs will cut their losses and run? Serious question.... its gotta be hurting them financially ... these days its got to cost more in petrol to drive the players to the ground than what someone like McArthur can make from 2k crowds? I for one would like to ask the same about ViacomCBS/Channel 10.
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+x+x+xAttendances from the weekend Friday 25th MarchNewcastle vs Sydney - 4424Saturday 26th MarchBrisbane vs Western United - 4935Macarthur vs City - 2713Central Coast vs Adelaide - 3086Sunday 27th MarchSydney Women vs City Women - 5027 [ALW Grand Final]Victory vs Western Sydney - 6014 NSL Level When do you think the APL clubs will cut their losses and run? There's still about another 70% of the league they can sell off , isn't there ?
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charlied
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+x+x+xAttendances from the weekend Friday 25th MarchNewcastle vs Sydney - 4424Saturday 26th MarchBrisbane vs Western United - 4935Macarthur vs City - 2713Central Coast vs Adelaide - 3086Sunday 27th MarchSydney Women vs City Women - 5027 [ALW Grand Final]Victory vs Western Sydney - 6014 NSL Level When do you think the APL clubs will cut their losses and run? Serious question.... its gotta be hurting them financially ... these days its got to cost more in petrol to drive the players to the ground than what someone like McArthur can make from 2k crowds? Serous answer - end of the current TV deal if no improvement in attendance and ratings. As things stand, it is almost impossible to see another TV deal for the A League. And equally seriously, my view is that there is no coming back from this position. The APL had the opportunity to rebrand and relaunch and they'd let me other pass.
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charlied
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+x+x+x+xAttendances from the weekend Friday 25th MarchNewcastle vs Sydney - 4424Saturday 26th MarchBrisbane vs Western United - 4935Macarthur vs City - 2713Central Coast vs Adelaide - 3086Sunday 27th MarchSydney Women vs City Women - 5027 [ALW Grand Final]Victory vs Western Sydney - 6014 NSL Level When do you think the APL clubs will cut their losses and run? Serious question.... its gotta be hurting them financially ... these days its got to cost more in petrol to drive the players to the ground than what someone like McArthur can make from 2k crowds? Serous answer - end of the current TV deal if no improvement in attendance and ratings. As things stand, it is almost impossible to see another TV deal for the A League. And equally seriously, my view is that there is no coming back from this position. The APL had the opportunity to rebrand and relaunch and they'd let me other pass. #let it pass
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charlied
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The A League must represent the greatest squandered opportunity in the history of the Australian sport. Screwed over by the incompetent management and a crippling lack of any coherent vision for them game by first FFA and now the APL.
And by the fact that the competition was hopelessly under capitalised from the outset, and Frank Lowy must have known that.
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AyyLeague
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+x+x+x+xAttendances from the weekend Friday 25th MarchNewcastle vs Sydney - 4424Saturday 26th MarchBrisbane vs Western United - 4935Macarthur vs City - 2713Central Coast vs Adelaide - 3086Sunday 27th MarchSydney Women vs City Women - 5027 [ALW Grand Final]Victory vs Western Sydney - 6014 NSL Level When do you think the APL clubs will cut their losses and run? Serious question.... its gotta be hurting them financially ... these days its got to cost more in petrol to drive the players to the ground than what someone like McArthur can make from 2k crowds? Serous answer - end of the current TV deal if no improvement in attendance and ratings. As things stand, it is almost impossible to see another TV deal for the A League. Do you think ViacomCBS could find a way out of the deal early or would the APL have made sure to prevent this? (I have no idea how contracts or tv deals work)
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bettega
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+x+x+x+xAttendances from the weekend Friday 25th MarchNewcastle vs Sydney - 4424Saturday 26th MarchBrisbane vs Western United - 4935Macarthur vs City - 2713Central Coast vs Adelaide - 3086Sunday 27th MarchSydney Women vs City Women - 5027 [ALW Grand Final]Victory vs Western Sydney - 6014 NSL Level When do you think the APL clubs will cut their losses and run? Serious question.... its gotta be hurting them financially ... these days its got to cost more in petrol to drive the players to the ground than what someone like McArthur can make from 2k crowds? Serous answer - end of the current TV deal if no improvement in attendance and ratings. As things stand, it is almost impossible to see another TV deal for the A League. And equally seriously, my view is that there is no coming back from this position. The APL had the opportunity to rebrand and relaunch and they'd let me other pass. Sort of agree, but I thought the A-League may have reached that position at the end of the Fox deal. As it happens, yet another streaming service came along hitting an already crowded market. And probably more will come, but each with a smaller market share than the last. And if all of that wasn't bad enough, COVID probably dealt the final death blow. I wouldn't say it's impossible to come back from this, afterall, when you hit rock bottom, the only way is up, but it certainly looks like they are ready for last rites.
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+x+x+x+x+xAttendances from the weekend Friday 25th MarchNewcastle vs Sydney - 4424Saturday 26th MarchBrisbane vs Western United - 4935Macarthur vs City - 2713Central Coast vs Adelaide - 3086Sunday 27th MarchSydney Women vs City Women - 5027 [ALW Grand Final]Victory vs Western Sydney - 6014 NSL Level When do you think the APL clubs will cut their losses and run? Serious question.... its gotta be hurting them financially ... these days its got to cost more in petrol to drive the players to the ground than what someone like McArthur can make from 2k crowds? Serous answer - end of the current TV deal if no improvement in attendance and ratings. As things stand, it is almost impossible to see another TV deal for the A League. Do you think ViacomCBS could find a way out of the deal early or would the APL have made sure to prevent this? (I have no idea how contracts or tv deals work) Thats they key question I reckon... @Charlied, I dont reckon theyve hit rock bottom just yet, the NSL plumbed even deeper depths, but its getting pretty close. If CBS pull out the deal earlier than planned then the next deal will be no better than NPL streaming.... the "money" will walk....
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+x+x+x+x+xAttendances from the weekend Friday 25th MarchNewcastle vs Sydney - 4424Saturday 26th MarchBrisbane vs Western United - 4935Macarthur vs City - 2713Central Coast vs Adelaide - 3086Sunday 27th MarchSydney Women vs City Women - 5027 [ALW Grand Final]Victory vs Western Sydney - 6014 NSL Level When do you think the APL clubs will cut their losses and run? Serious question.... its gotta be hurting them financially ... these days its got to cost more in petrol to drive the players to the ground than what someone like McArthur can make from 2k crowds? Serous answer - end of the current TV deal if no improvement in attendance and ratings. As things stand, it is almost impossible to see another TV deal for the A League. Do you think ViacomCBS could find a way out of the deal early or would the APL have made sure to prevent this? (I have no idea how contracts or tv deals work) Any contract can be broken. The issue is the consequences.
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If the a league got cancelled it would be a disaster for the sport sending back decades
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+xIf the a league got cancelled it would be a disaster for the sport sending back decades I used to think so too mate but not anymore.. It will only be a disaster for those who have spent millions trying to make millions from soccer and for the poor fans who have bought into their franchises for the last 17 years but ... meh ..... no loss they can be easily discarded just like we where. Semi pro will always be around and if you look at someone like basketball, they seem to have had their most successful Boomer eras when there was no one in the game trying to milk the viewership for all it was worth...
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charlied
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+xIf the a league got cancelled it would be a disaster for the sport sending back decades It either pays its way or it doesn't, MCG.
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AyyLeague
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+x+xAttendances from the weekend Friday 25th MarchNewcastle vs Sydney - 4424Saturday 26th MarchBrisbane vs Western United - 4935Macarthur vs City - 2713Central Coast vs Adelaide - 3086Sunday 27th MarchSydney Women vs City Women - 5027 [ALW Grand Final]Victory vs Western Sydney - 6014 NSL Level The matches on Wednesday were certainly on that level:Sydney vs Macarthur - 1759 Brisbane vs Wellington - 1600 Perth vs Newcastle - 2577 The Perth vs Newcastle match even had the commentators complain about the crowd numbers 15 minutes before the game started (https://youtu.be/leJJNnV4tqA?t=94 [you need a Euro VPN to access it])
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my whatsapp football team group had guys saying re the SFC they had trouble seeing it on p+ - just nothing there. 1 said no probs, 2 others had tech issues, re booted etc, finally got things working. One the crowds are way down as known of all things you'd make sure your streaming would be spot on. Just madness.
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+x+x+xAttendances from the weekend Friday 25th MarchNewcastle vs Sydney - 4424Saturday 26th MarchBrisbane vs Western United - 4935Macarthur vs City - 2713Central Coast vs Adelaide - 3086Sunday 27th MarchSydney Women vs City Women - 5027 [ALW Grand Final]Victory vs Western Sydney - 6014 NSL Level The matches on Wednesday were certainly on that level:Sydney vs Macarthur - 1759 Brisbane vs Wellington - 1600 Perth vs Newcastle - 2577 The Perth vs Newcastle match even had the commentators complain about the crowd numbers 15 minutes before the game started (https://youtu.be/leJJNnV4tqA?t=94 [you need a Euro VPN to access it]) The average attendance for the last season of the NSL was 4,115. It was that "high" because of the new Adelaide club which had 24% of the League's total attendance at its home games The previous season was significantly lower. By season's end the A-League will have nearly 25% of the games played mid week and 10-15% of the games with capped attendance because of covid. We really won't know how the League is going until things settle closer to normal which hopefully will be next season.
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+x+x+x+xAttendances from the weekend Friday 25th MarchNewcastle vs Sydney - 4424Saturday 26th MarchBrisbane vs Western United - 4935Macarthur vs City - 2713Central Coast vs Adelaide - 3086Sunday 27th MarchSydney Women vs City Women - 5027 [ALW Grand Final]Victory vs Western Sydney - 6014 NSL Level The matches on Wednesday were certainly on that level:Sydney vs Macarthur - 1759 Brisbane vs Wellington - 1600 Perth vs Newcastle - 2577 The Perth vs Newcastle match even had the commentators complain about the crowd numbers 15 minutes before the game started (https://youtu.be/leJJNnV4tqA?t=94 [you need a Euro VPN to access it]) The average attendance for the last season of the NSL was 4,115. It was that "high" because of the new Adelaide club which had 24% of the League's total attendance at its home games The previous season was significantly lower. By season's end the A-League will have nearly 25% of the games played mid week and 10-15% of the games with capped attendance because of covid. We really won't know how the League is going until things settle closer to normal which hopefully will be next season. Nothing normal about those nsl seasons either, the clubs knew the comp was gonna be shut down, which is worse than Covid imo.
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Ok let me guess the attendance for this weekend it’s almost as fun as tipping: WU vs CCM 3k
Wellington vs city is being played behind closed doors apparently
Adelaide vs victory 9k
Sydney vs wanderers 12k
Brisbane vs Newcastle 5k
MacArthur vs glory 3k
so if Adelaide and the Sydney match can get more then 10k it’ll be good
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AyyLeague
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+xOk let me guess the attendance for this weekend it’s almost as fun as tipping: WU vs CCM 3k
Wellington vs city is being played behind closed doors apparently
Adelaide vs victory 9k
Sydney vs wanderers 12k
Brisbane vs Newcastle 5k
MacArthur vs glory 3k
so if Adelaide and the Sydney match can get more then 10k it’ll be good
Attendances from this weekend Saturday 2nd AprilWestern United vs Central Coast - 1423Adelaide vs Victory - 8044Sydney vs Western Sydney - 10091Sunday 3rd AprilBrisbane vs Newcastle - 5463Macarthur vs Perth - 2357Western United and Macarthur remain underwhelming as usual, Adelaide are still consistent and the Sydney Derby just got over 10K. Here's hoping that the return to the SFS next season helps bump up that figure, even in the short-term, because anything under 10K is dire. The Brisbane game looked worse than it did attendance wise so to get 5k is above average.
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Bloody hell Western united are an abortion. The sooner they're wound up the better. Also #nixout
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+xBloody hell Western united are an abortion. The sooner they're wound up the better. Also #nixout What can you say, really? 2nd place on the ladder and that's the turnout?
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