Code	Week	Day	Date	Time	Home	Away	Venue	Crowd	Capacity	%Capacity
ALM	1	Fri	20/10	1915	Adelaide	Central Coast	Coopers Stadium	9,557	16,500	57.92%
ALM	1	Sat	21/10	1500	Macarthur	Brisbane	Campbelltown	3,002	17,500	17.15%
ALM	1	Sat	21/10	1700	Melb City	Western United	Aami Park	10,089	30,050	33.57%
ALM	1	Sat	21/10	1915	Sydney	Melb Victory	Allianz Stadium	14,586	42,500	34.32%
ALM	1	Sun	22/10	1430	Western Sydney	Wellington	Commbank Stadium	10,468	30,000	34.89%
ALM	1	Sun	22/10	1915	Perth	Newcastle	HBF Park	6,592	20,500	32.16%
							Total	54,294	157,050	34.57%
							Average	9,049

Season	R1 Total	R1 Ave
2023-24	54,294	9,049
2022-23	55,171	11,034
2021-22	63,261	10,543
2020-21	29,808	7,452
2019-20	78,600	15,720
2018-19	84,761	16,952
2017-18	59,232	11,846
2016-17	106,365	21,273
2015-16	64,580	12,916
2014-15	90,013	18,003
2013-14	100,998	20,200

Code	Week	Day	Date	Time	Home	Away	Venue	Crowd	Capacity	%Capacity
ALW	2	Fri	20/10	1630	Adelaide	Central Coast	Coopers Stadium	3,185	16,500	19.30%
ALW	2	Sat	21/10	1530	Brisbane	Sydney	Ballymore	3,679	8,000	45.99%
ALW	2	Sat	21/10	1415	Melb City	Canberra	Aami Park	2,138	30,050	7.11%
ALW	2	Sun	22/10	1530	Western United	Melb Victory	City Vista Rec Reserve	2,200	3,000	73.33%
ALW	2	Sun	22/10	1630	Perth	Newcastle	HBF Park		20,500	0.00%
ALW	2	Sun	22/10	1715	Western Sydney	Wellington	Commbank Stadium		30,000	0.00%
							Total	5,879	11,000	53.45%
							Average	2,940
							Standalone Total	32,126
							Standalone Average	4016

ALM - Round 2

• BR vs SFC - 7,688
• NIX vs PG - 6,101
• WSW vs WU - 8,098
• CCM vs MAC - 6,553
• MV vs NJ - 13,663
• AU vs MC - 10,628

That's awful for an opening round. Andy such good football 

Biggest disappointment is the CCM figure. 

I assume this was, at least to some extent (maybe 2 to 3k?), impacted by the 3pm kick-off on a hot day. Jets have a 3pm kick-off on Sunday and my attendance, due to taking kids, is dependent on the weather. If it is too hot, no way I am having them in the sun that long. 

Whilst I find the scheduling frustrating, I can see the dilemma that the A-Leagues have in terms of getting all the games in and also trying to keep some family 'friendly' times (i.e. not all at night). Again, taking young kids to 7:30 / 8pm kick offs is not an option for me. I actually find the stadium designs to be more infuriating. Surely there must be some better designs or set-ups to ensure more shade for spectators (and players)? The roofs on some stadiums (Newcastle, Gosford, Adelaide etc.) are pointless. They do barely anything to protect from sun or rain.

I feel like the APL need to do much better with scheduling, so I'm gonna list a few options in this post. 

I'll start with the obvious. We should have more earlier kickoffs when we are out of summer. Later kickoffs in summer. And get a better understanding of which days suit fans of some teams better. for example, if Victory v Newcastle is on Friday night instead of Sunday, we probably get 17,000-18,000, instead of 13,000. Sydney have pulled decent crowds on Sundays in the past. 

We should play all games in Perth at 10pm Eastern time on Fridays and Saturdays. We should be taking advantage of the cooler climate in Wellington by fixturing most of their home games on Saturday and Sunday afternoons. Especially knowing that we will be having a game every week in NZ from next season.

There is no reason why we can't follow the NRL model and have 2 kickoffs on Friday night, One at 6pm and another at 8pm. Or alternatively, we could have a 7pm kickoff on a Friday and another 9pm kickoff in Brisbane (which is 8pm local time during daylight saving). Or a 6:30pm kickoff on a Friday and an 8:30pm kickoff in Adelaide (which is 8pm local time). 

I would also reconsider reintroducing simultaneous kickoffs at 7:45pm Saturday. This might be unpopular for some, but I kinda liked it. And it would help reduce early kickoffs over the summer months. Another option could be to have overlapping kickoffs in the warmer months (ie. a game at 6pm Saturday, 7pm Saturday and 8pm Saturday). 

We also need to factor in that we will be having 7 games per week from next season, so we need to find new time slots.

Bris - city of 2.3M people
W.Syd - city of 5M
Melb -city of 5M

and you say that CCM is the biggest disappointment?????

The same kick offs don't work unless you cross to both matches. 

AAMI Park tonight 5303 probably includes the seagulls

I wouldn’t pay to watch two teams play backwards and sideways in slow motion.

Victory pulled 15k 

So far
Melb City vs Smurfs 5,303
Phoenix v Brisbane 7,003
Macarthur v Western Utd 2863
Melb Victory v Adelaide 15,229
Perth v Mariners 6,798

Might be a small crowd in Newcastle given the weather up there but will be better than the crowd at Campbelltown.

Put a line through Macarthur - they are a complete disaster.  

Has their been, in the history of Australian football, two clubs as well unloved as Western United and Macarthur Bulls? 

No they were a middle finger from Foxtel to us 

You'd think hakoah is the least given a shit about club in Australian history

Please elaborate.

Still a lot of work to do to get fans back onside. should have pulled 20k on Saturday. Lets see how we go with a Friday night home game this week

Code	Week	Day	Date	Time	Home	Away	Venue	Crowd	Capacity
ALM	3	Fri	3/11	1915	MelbCity	Sydney	Aami Park	5,303	30,050
ALM	3	Sat	4/11	1500	Wellington	Brisbane	Sky Stadium	7,003	34,500
ALM	3	Sat	4/11	1700	Macarthur	Western United	Campbelltown	2,863	17,500
ALM	3	Sat	4/11	1915	MelbVictory	Adelaide	Aami Park	15,229	30,050
ALM	3	Sat	4/11	2115	Perth	Central Coast	HBF Park	6,798	20,500
ALM	3	Sun	5/11	1430	Newcastle	Western Sydney	McDonald Jones	5,166	30,000
							Total	42,362	162,600
							Average	7,060
							Season Total	149,387	503,259
							Season Average	8,299
							2022-23 Season Total	166,844	566,809
							2022-23 Season ave	9,814
							Difference	-15.44%

Code	Week	Day	Date	Time	Home	Away	Venue	Crowd	Capacity	%Capacity
ALW	3	Sat	4/11	1215	MelbVictory	Adelaide	Aami Park	4,102	30,050	13.65%
ALW	3	Sat	4/11	1530	Canberra	Perth	McKellar Park	2,229	3,000	74.30%
ALW	3	Sat	4/11	1630	Wellington	Brisbane	Sky Stadium	1,788	34,500	5.18%
ALW	3	Sun	5/11	1530	Western United	Melb City	City Vista Rec Reserve	1,723	3,000	57.43%
ALW	3	Sun	5/11	1715	Newcastle	Western Sydney	McDonald Jones	2,422	30,000	8.07%
							Total	12,264	100,550	12.20%
							Average	2,453
							Standalone Total	36,078	137,059	26.32%
							Standalone Average	3608
							Season Total	77,438	328,659	23.56%
							Season Average	3,154
							2022-23 Season Total	17,847
							2022-23 Season Ave	1,274
							Difference	183.20%

These figures are a disgrace and an embarrassment. There is simply little if any coverage of the A-Leagues (M and W) in any main stream media. Why not? What are Football Australia, the APL  and the individual clubs doing about it? Do they even have marketing departments? Melbourne and Sydney each have populations of about 5 million, each has 3 A League clubs and yet neither the Age nor the SMH EVER has any coverage. They have jumped on the Matilda's bandwagon, they report on European football, they report on alleged crowd behavior issues (while ignoring the antics in the ARL and the AFL) but never on the A Leagues. Is it because they still perceive it to be a game played by 'sheilas wogs and poofters' or because there is no promotion from our governing bodies? I do not recall ever seeing any significant or meaningful coverage of the A-Leagues on any free to air TV news programs and never any advertisements for the upcoming games. Even the season launch is an underwhelming understatement that gets no media coverage  Even the A-League men's 2 live broadcasts are on the secondary 10 channel. Where is the highlights show?
There is a reason Coca Cola and MacDonald's dominate the fast food/snack food markets. It is not because of the quality of the product, it is because there is saturation advertising. The AFL and the League morons  have saturation coverage all year round (the League often for the wrong reason). Is it any wonder that there is crowd interest when we know what is happening. I'd bet that the vast majority of Australians would be hard pressed to name 3 players of their local A League team (though I suspect even 3 is a gross overestimate). 
Until we crack the media we will continue to be an irrelevancy despite football being the highest participation sport in Aus. Media coverage creates interest. Interest encourages eyeballs on TV and bums on seats at games. Bums on seats at games creates atmosphere. Atmosphere creates excitement.Eyeballs on TV stimulates revenue for the networks. Excitement and crowds encourages sponsorship. Sponsorship creates revenue. Revenue increases resources available to the clubs. Increased resources means a better quality of football and so the cycle grows.
So again i ask, what are Football Australia, the APL and the individual clubs doing to promote the game? There are no obvious signs of them doing anything.

Neither 8,000 nor 10,000 would be a good result. These are appalling figures and we should be aiming much higher. This will never happen until we get proper promotion of the local game. Football will never replace AFL as the main spectator sport in Australia, it is too entrenched. But we should aim for and expect football to be the secondary spectator sport in Australia. We should not be satisfied with an average crowd of 8-10,000. We should be tripling or quadrupling that figure at least.
Rugby Union is a dying game but still gets coverage from the monocultural, white bread mainstream media. This will not last if there is no revenue to support it.
Rugby league is also a dying game, crowds are down and participation rates among the young are decreasing because parents are no longer willing to have their kids exposed to serious head, spinal and brain injuries. However, the ARL's media coverage is still very high because of the vested interests reliant on it. However, decreasing participation rates, diminsihing crowds and bucket loads of scandals and appalling behaviour is making it less attractive to the sporting public.
Football can and should be able to fill that void and nothing less should be acceptable.

MVFC v Wellington - 16,300
WU v NJ - 3,200
WSW v PG - 8,700
AU v SFC - 9,500
MCFC v MFC - 5,000
CCM v BR - 5,800


We need to face reality. Cancelling Sydney Grand Final will win a lot of brownie points with the fans, but they are not going to return overnight. They need to again the trust of the fans again and it will take years to recover from this massive fuck up. 

But that doesn't mean clubs can't do better. Of course they can and of course they should. While MacArthur and WU come to mind straight away. they are the easy targets. WSW crowds have been putrid for years and they get off lightly. 9,283 average from 2 home games is diabolical. Western Sydney is supposed to be football heartland. Get your fucking shit together. 

Another problem is Melbourne City. I feel like their club doesn't give a shit about crowd growth. They are going backwards and years of success has done nothing.

Brisbane are at least trying, by returning back to the city. And i like some of their recent off-field appointments. But i wonder how much the dislike for the Bakries put off people from going?  

As for promotion, that's an excellent question., I vaguely recall the APL advertising for a marketing guy not too long ago. Did they appoint anyone? And is there a budget at all?

Rugby league crowds were the highest in the history of the sport in Australia, hardly dying. If you wish to spout your bile, at least back it up with facts.
How may leagues around the world, most with a bigger population than Australia, average between 32-40000 per game ?

Agreed. RL isn't dying. However, that game is gonna have big problems going forward when it comes to participation. Tackling and head-knocks would cause concern for parents and its something Football can and should take advantage of. 

I also think expansion is problematic for the NRL. the AFL have at least 2 teams in all the major cities and Tasmania is coming. the NRL doesn't have anything close to that type of strategy. From the outside, it looks like they're more concerned with consolidating their traditional bases. It doesn't feel like a sensible long tern strategy for mine. 

wow, that is an aggro overreaction there Sutherlandbear, I don't discern any bile in my post. But to clear the record, 'lies, dann lies and statistics'. You can interpret the figures in many ways. On the face of it the figures suggest a record year. But if you look at the top ten attendances, 6 were the Broncos and 4 were double and triple headers which artificially inflate the numbers. If you look at the bottom 5 crowds
Wow, Sutherlandbear, that seems like an unnecessarily aggro overreaction. I don't discern any bile in my post. i stand by my comments that the NRL is a dying game. Despite the use of 'National' in NRL it is only played in 3 states. Of the top 10 attendances in 2023 the Broncos featured in 6 and double and triple headers (presumably the 'magic round') were the other 4. Teams that do not go anywhere near the 'average attendances' are artificially bolstered by being part of a multi-game event. And if it wasn't for Queensland (say no more) the average attendances would be considerably lower. Add to this, you have to factor in the post Covid bounce.
The so called World Cup is a joke and is only played professionally in 5 countries and a couple which play semi-professionally Just curious but how many players who represented Lebanon at the World Cup actually play in Lebanon?
The game is being propped up by saturation media and vested interests eg Murdoch and Newscorp and the massive  gambling revenue  (including poker machine from the licensed clubs). Let's see what will happen to the NRL  when  the governments actually bans gambling advertising in sport.
If it was left to its own devices the NRL would collapse.

Did you take into consideration the size of most of the suburban grounds in Sydney, that drag down attendances ? Two sides to every coin and all that.

I do not disagree on the RLWC, a sham TBF.
Are you answering my question ?

the 2 biggest alarm bells here are WSW and MCFC.

9k and 5k is an utter embarrassment. Are the fans actually still there?

what's wrong? why don't they go to home games?

What did victory pull last night? Sounded amazing on tv 

10583

Poor crowd by Victory.

AU vs Sydney got just under 13k tonight (can’t remember exact figure) which is really good especially considering the 36ers were playing next door at the same time.