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+xHoly crap that's depressing.... Very very very depressing we let the money people in and they don't give a flying F .... its all about making more money....
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+x+xHoly crap that's depressing.... Very very very depressing we let the money people in and they don't give a flying F .... its all about making more money.... Sad thing is that it will be a success.... At least for a decade or so in which time these magnificent clubs will become these irrelevant things and dead to their communities... I know this sounds really mean, today of all days, but thank Christ almighty that South weren't given that stupid Aleague licence in 2018 as we would have had to take on an owner, even a 49% owner......
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Very VERY intresting indeed !
You know , I thought the the Aleague was needed promoting &relagation but after reading this well hmmm maybe thatwas wrong after all . .
Maybe promotoin &relagation is just a tired old way of thinking ¬ fit for a 21st century world, &maybe this new League idea IS the way of the Future . .
I guess we we All have to move with the times &our beLoved game is no aception
It actualy make me Very proud to think the Aleague is ahead of its time !
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Could this be why the F.A has NO PLAN for promotoin &relagating for the Aleague ?
Hmmm, makes you wonder doesn't it ??
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWhether the NSL was pro, semi pro or amateur is besides the point. The point is this new league and the A league are a closed shops. Any team in Europe, in fact the world, can eventually make their way to the top tier on merit whether they're amateur when they start their journey or not. The NSL 'it wasn't even pro' is a bullshit distraction. There is a difference of a league trying to maintain itself in record to create a second division and ultimately make an open pyramid rather than this. This whole comparison to A-league is just mindless waffle again done by the same blokes over and over again. People for whatever reason, do not understand financials and structure. If the Australian football market (the general population who watch/play football and all potential sponsors) actually wanted to speed up the process and make it happen, it would of already happened. Not enough of the Australian football market cares at all hence the slowness and frustration. How is it different? The A league is a closed shop, this proposed new league is a closed shop. Even if you are correct about everything you say the A league should still be open to teams with money, ambition and merit. Like it is in EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. The A-League is maintaining and developing slowly to become a leader in creating an open system despite Australia's failing football market (no one here actually cares enough despite what you see on twitter/facebook) whilst ESL is forever a closed shop. Exactly. Just about every A-League fan on this forum wants promotion and relegation. The likes monoethnic constantly push the false narrative that we are happy with the status quo. Are you talking about the same Aleague fans who want pro/rel as long as there is a club in every major city in the top league and relegation won't affect regional spread? Or that every club allowed to compete has no prior history past 2005? Or that WU is a great club because they represent a geographical region, drawn up with carefully created demographic lines on countless threads over and over again? The same Aleague fans who, at the same time bemoan that the shit NPL can't get their act together and create a professional division yet also cry that relegation in this country would lead to financial ruin of the ownership group as if that actually matter to anyone but the owners. There is no false narrative buddy, call me the bad guy if it makes you feel better, but for 16 years the Aleague has even a closed shop and until it eventually dies it will remain a closed shop ... franchise fee entry only. You claim to not be happy with the status quo but fans in England are tearing up their season tickets and turning their backs on clubs they are 3rd and 4th generation supporters of ..... after 1 day of this closed cartel shit....... What have Aleague fans done after 16 years of exactly the same?... Fucking state of your dribble mate, A-league supporters are allowed to have differing opinions of how an open pyramid system should work, just like people who watch NPL. Plenty of NPL and A-league supporters believe there needs to be a spread or a certain number of clubs in each major city, I personally don't, I believe in complete openness but my opinion is different from other old NSL heads and other a-league supporters. Currently, if you look at the state of the football market in this country, of course you are going to get a lot of people saying an open pyramid isn't not viable however that does not mean they are against an open pyramid, they just believe it is not viable at this current moment of time. If it was viable, the football market would naturally make it happen due to the demand but considering no one actually cares about football in this country and not enough of the football market cares (see TWG, the downfall and the collapse), the clubs have to be extremely careful and make sure everything is stable before they are creating and working with the AAFC for the open pyramid, not just second division in proper as all owners understand eventually it will make more profit for them when done in the right market time which isn't now. The key that everything is forgetting that the football market here in Australia (people who watch/play any football plus all potential sponsors) do not care enough about any development of the game here as there isn't a need too. Simply put, wider Australia does not care nor needs it. Just us as proper day in and day out football fans who are dedicate our time, support and money do but there simply isn't enough of us. Absolutely Aleague fans have a right to a different opinion than mine, everyone does... its a forum yeah? But can you not see that phrases like "economic viability" "football market place" "regional representation" are hate speech to the ambitions of 99% of the football clubs in Australia outside the tent of the Aleague? There are 10 x ownership groups in Australia (some are overseas) for the ESL (or Aleague as its called here) and every other single club, some 700+ is member or committee owned. We don't care about market spread, or metric considerations, or how much merchandise we can sell through Rebel sport, just want to compete All of those "considerations" are just excuses used by the franchise owners to not open up the gates...... I think there are more than enough of us, it's just that we all hate each other... BTW responding to my dribble with your own is much appreciated.🤣 Hate speech to football? sorry? The OLD NSL was all about football market place, regional representation, economic viability, same as the current AAFC. Sorry to say and burst your bubble, the football market here does not give a single fuck about the development of the game here otherwise it would of already been done, the AAFC have realised this hence the massive delays, seeing now what the A-league club owners are talking about then saying its important to be stable and do it all at the right time.
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+x+xHoly crap that's depressing.... Very very very depressing we let the money people in and they don't give a flying F .... its all about making more money.... Capitalism writ large. Could be any number of examples but think about a call centre that got moved from Tamworth to India and 100 people lost their jobs just so some fuckhead could increase his bottom line. It's great isn't it?
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@Monoethnic Social Club Shrinking crowds led to the radical move of introducing more teams (mainly from Victoria and New South Wales) and splitting the league into two conferences, with the winner of each division to play-off in an end of year two legged final. For season 1984 the 'Australian' Conference had competing teams from New South Wales and the ACT, whilst the 'National' Conference consisted of Victorian, South Australian and Queensland clubs. For 1985 and 1986 this reverted to 'Northern' and 'Southern' Conferences. Strangely, the competition's most geographically northern sides, Brisbane Lions and Brisbane City were in the latter grouping.This period saw South Melbourne become the first Victorian team to win the league, followed by Brunswick Juventus, and Adelaide City, all Southern conference sides. At the end of the 1986 season, the system was scrapped, and about half the teams were dumped back to their respective state leagues. The criteria used to decide who stayed and who went was based 50% on the 1986 playing record, 40% on past playing record, and 10% on crowd support. [15] The result was that only one team from outside Sydney and Melbourne, reigning champions Adelaide City, was retained. The football market then back in the NSL era and the football market now does not care about Australian Football in general, there wasn't even an open pyramid in the NSL days not because of the owners waiting for it develop, maintain and do it at the perfect time to capitalise on the success but because the NSL club owners wanted to keep the power to themselves.
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+xWhy is this in the Australian football section ?Shows you all that is wrong with football in this country, when more people are discussing this rather than local football. Half of the discussion here is about how this relates to Australian Football.
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+x@Monoethnic Social Club Shrinking crowds led to the radical move of introducing more teams (mainly from Victoria and New South Wales) and splitting the league into two conferences, with the winner of each division to play-off in an end of year two legged final. For season 1984 the 'Australian' Conference had competing teams from New South Wales and the ACT, whilst the 'National' Conference consisted of Victorian, South Australian and Queensland clubs. For 1985 and 1986 this reverted to 'Northern' and 'Southern' Conferences. Strangely, the competition's most geographically northern sides, Brisbane Lions and Brisbane City were in the latter grouping.This period saw South Melbourne become the first Victorian team to win the league, followed by Brunswick Juventus, and Adelaide City, all Southern conference sides. At the end of the 1986 season, the system was scrapped, and about half the teams were dumped back to their respective state leagues. The criteria used to decide who stayed and who went was based 50% on the 1986 playing record, 40% on past playing record, and 10% on crowd support. [15] The result was that only one team from outside Sydney and Melbourne, reigning champions Adelaide City, was retained. The football market then back in the NSL era and the football market now does not care about Australian Football in general, there wasn't even an open pyramid in the NSL days not because of the owners waiting for it develop, maintain and do it at the perfect time to capitalise on the success but because the NSL club owners wanted to keep the power to themselves. Just because something was done in the past doesn't mean that's how it should be done going forward.
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Juergen klopp says you can shove the SL up your ass. What a legend
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this ESL is just like the HAL, but with money.
Not a Phase, Not a Trend, SYDNEY UNITED till the END!
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+xJuergen klopp says you can shove the SL up your ass. What a legend he quoted as such back in 2019. He treaded lightly in the post match interview this morn after Leeds game. Afterall he is employed by FSG so he needed to be careful more so clearly saying He's the Coach and players are not involved whats going on at board room level. He even said how many times would you like watching LFC vs RM again and again. Milner quoted after hope it doesn't happen. Bamford likewise.
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It really shoots down the idea that kicking the super league clubs out of the premier league would harm the prem. The English super league clubs are planning on fielding weaker teams in the premier league games, so people aren't going to watch those games anyway.
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DERBY MANIA!!!!! everywhere
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This is a huge slap in the face to the eurosnobs
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What others wish for, MLS/AL/ESL world over, no p/r, closed leagues but wait, its top end run football, same same same every season win lose draw. Way to go new world Football. F you all who argue for it. https://www.thisisanfield.com/2021/04/liverpool-and-the-super-league-were-all-fsg-out-now/I really hope this gets blown off in time.
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Would be interesting to see how BoJo responds. I wonder if they have any FIRB laws in the UK and if they can force a divestment.
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best possible outcome is UEFA & FIFA impose all sanctions right up to international level and the Associations relegate all clubs to the lowest tier of football in there country. Irony of all this, everyone was all for the Glazers, Oil Money Saudi's etc to buy their clubs, and now it's gone too far and they are not happy. you reap what you sow.
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+xThis is a huge slap in the face to the eurosnobs Probably too naive to realise what's doing on.
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+xbest possible outcome is UEFA & FIFA impose all sanctions right up to international level and the Associations relegate all clubs to the lowest tier of football in there country. Irony of all this, everyone was all for the Glazers, Oil Money Saudi's etc to buy their clubs, and now it's gone too far and they are not happy. you reap what you sow. The ESL clubs probably want this. They don't want to give up their players for internationals.
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Closed League Franchise owner Mr D Beckham"We need football to be fair and we need competitions based on merit. Unless we protect these values the game we love is in danger..." 
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+xThis is a huge slap in the face to the eurosnobs I dont now why you you would saythis way ( to be honest I realy dont care for such language my self ) But its True that this seem a Fresh approach for our greatGame that at least some People out there may not be ready for
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+x+xThis is a huge slap in the face to the eurosnobs I dont now why you you would saythis way ( to be honest I realy dont care for such language my self ) But its True that this seem a Fresh approach for our greatGame that at least some People out there may not be ready for Someone check on this bot
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Interesting times.
This does serve as a good moment to pause and reflect.
All these mega clubs, many foreign owned, are basically following the American model of sporting structures, one we are only too familiar with here in Australia.
The A-League club owners know it as well.
If we can watch these great football clubs pursue the closed shop model, then it becomes almost impossible to mount any form of fight back against the A-League club owners.
Why should they change when we now have this new norm?
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Not sure you can say its the "new norm" yet, premature. The unrest this is causing and its only the beginning I would hold your breath for now. Backlash is going to be massive, UEFA/FIFA's actions will have alot of support incl from Govs whereas the ESL has dollars. We shall see who prevails, German/French clubs haven't jumped in to date. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/56795811Quoting its more so the American owned Clubs, not surprising but obviously the petro owned ones and Russian will follow for the almighty $ instead of having FIFA/UEFA getting their cuts. I have watched for many years Formula1 going through these threats, Ferrari pulling out grabbing a few teams to start their own GP circus. Never gets to 1st base, typically teams are owned by wealthy backers just like Football.
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Wonder if Mat Ryan will stay with Arsenal if they go to ESL? Would he jeopardize his future NT games for more $$$?
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"A plastic competition, watched by plastic fans, of plastic clubs. These might as well be new clubs, in a new league, and newly moulded, in plastic,” he wrote. https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/european-super-league-fury-at-snake-americans-for-killing-football/news-story/90649f949f9175eacc88a88a1eee4cba
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Football was so authentic before this....95k genuine scousers supporting their local club liverpool, in their kits doing a mix of karaoke and bumbling through 'you will never walk alone' at the MCG on that historic night will testify to that
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