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+x+x+x+x+xAssuming this isn't a negotiation tactic. Why has the entire world pissed their collective pants on this? I haven't found a reasonable, well-made argument against this yet. As I understand it, the foundation clubs have no intention of leaving their domestic competions. Have they said they will not compete in UEL or UCL yet? Not that I can find. So that essentially means they're keeping their current obligations, whilst adding what is essentially an ICC type money-spinner 'competition' to their schedules... So who cares? Who is the victim here? If the supporters feel they're being gouged for more content, then don't subscribe, you haven't lost anything. "This will kill grassroots etc" - How? Why? "This is just a money grab by rich greedy faceless.. etc" - Yes, and? That's how football generates money. Except for these clubs want the ability to do for themselves (since they're the ones generating the vast majority of the value) and not be 100% subservient to UEFA, the apparent gatekeepers to football competition, who essentially make competitions to spin money and validate their own existence. "All fans globally are opposed to it. Players oppose it. Managers oppose it. All clubs not involved oppose it. Governing bodies oppose it. Broadcasters oppose it." - this is not an argument, if anything, it reveals something far more sinister and psychologically telling than football clubs with huge expenditure creating potential revenue ventures. Isn't this just a localised ICC that runs mid-week? Did we see the same reaction for ICC? The fact that ALL media are singing the EXACT same song, and everyone else is following the tune on this news is fucking scary, to say the least. No one's "pissing their pants", alot of people are disappointed. There intentions of staying in there local comps may be heavily jepodized by there chance of playing in a domestic competition in the future if UEFA deams it so, not to mention the jeopardy this does to players who participate. As for a reasonable, well-made argument against this. How about this if it succeeds it means that arsenal could be crowned champions of Europe, after coming in lower than ninth this year and can't be knocked out, and Bayern Munich the winners of the CL last year, and winners of the one of the Strongest league's in Europe will have to go through a playoff, just to compete against them, because they chose not to be part of this stupidityreasonable. Basically doing what they did to the ereidervise but to every other team. Me personally i hope they do it, and i hope FIFA come down hard really fucken hard. If your for this shit, your an idiot. Thanos doesn't appear and place a crown on anybody... If Arsenal win the ESL, they will win the ESL. Who are the ICC winners? Does anybody know? How could we possibly not know who the international champions are? Have you ever googled WBA, IBF, WBO etc. If you don't subscribe to the ESL, why do you care who or how Bayern qualifies for the competition you don't care for? They're not obliged to compete in it either. Again, the UCL remains as it did yesterday unless UEFA expels you. With who does the fault lie here? "If your for this shit, your an idiot" = emotive ad hominem screeching = not an argument. The fault lies with the trying to put self gain before the collective good. If you can't see the what the big 12 are attempting, than me explaining end results is a waste of time. As for the boxing example, you are aware what has happened to that sport? ICC? The ICC trophy? Pakistan won it, but your aware that is sanctioned by the ICC, thus the name. This is an international trophy too. So your comparison is well off. Your response makes my point far better than I could ever do. Bravo. https://www.internationalchampionscup.com/
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+x+x+xWhether the NSL was pro, semi pro or amateur is besides the point. The point is this new league and the A league are a closed shops. Any team in Europe, in fact the world, can eventually make their way to the top tier on merit whether they're amateur when they start their journey or not. The NSL 'it wasn't even pro' is a bullshit distraction. There is a difference of a league trying to maintain itself in record to create a second division and ultimately make an open pyramid rather than this. This whole comparison to A-league is just mindless waffle again done by the same blokes over and over again. People for whatever reason, do not understand financials and structure. If the Australian football market (the general population who watch/play football and all potential sponsors) actually wanted to speed up the process and make it happen, it would of already happened. Not enough of the Australian football market cares at all hence the slowness and frustration. How is it different? The A league is a closed shop, this proposed new league is a closed shop. Even if you are correct about everything you say the A league should still be open to teams with money, ambition and merit. Like it is in EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. How it different is what I have stated in the first post that you have just responded to but I will just make a simple sentence here to explain how it is different, only one of the reasons and only one sentence for you so you can I understand; The A-League is maintaining and developing slowly to become a leader in creating an open system despite Australia's failing football market (no one here actually cares enough despite what you see on twitter/facebook) whilst ESL is forever a closed shop.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAssuming this isn't a negotiation tactic. Why has the entire world pissed their collective pants on this? I haven't found a reasonable, well-made argument against this yet. As I understand it, the foundation clubs have no intention of leaving their domestic competions. Have they said they will not compete in UEL or UCL yet? Not that I can find. So that essentially means they're keeping their current obligations, whilst adding what is essentially an ICC type money-spinner 'competition' to their schedules... So who cares? Who is the victim here? If the supporters feel they're being gouged for more content, then don't subscribe, you haven't lost anything. "This will kill grassroots etc" - How? Why? "This is just a money grab by rich greedy faceless.. etc" - Yes, and? That's how football generates money. Except for these clubs want the ability to do for themselves (since they're the ones generating the vast majority of the value) and not be 100% subservient to UEFA, the apparent gatekeepers to football competition, who essentially make competitions to spin money and validate their own existence. "All fans globally are opposed to it. Players oppose it. Managers oppose it. All clubs not involved oppose it. Governing bodies oppose it. Broadcasters oppose it." - this is not an argument, if anything, it reveals something far more sinister and psychologically telling than football clubs with huge expenditure creating potential revenue ventures. Isn't this just a localised ICC that runs mid-week? Did we see the same reaction for ICC? The fact that ALL media are singing the EXACT same song, and everyone else is following the tune on this news is fucking scary, to say the least. No one's "pissing their pants", alot of people are disappointed. There intentions of staying in there local comps may be heavily jepodized by there chance of playing in a domestic competition in the future if UEFA deams it so, not to mention the jeopardy this does to players who participate. As for a reasonable, well-made argument against this. How about this if it succeeds it means that arsenal could be crowned champions of Europe, after coming in lower than ninth this year and can't be knocked out, and Bayern Munich the winners of the CL last year, and winners of the one of the Strongest league's in Europe will have to go through a playoff, just to compete against them, because they chose not to be part of this stupidityreasonable. Basically doing what they did to the ereidervise but to every other team. Me personally i hope they do it, and i hope FIFA come down hard really fucken hard. If your for this shit, your an idiot. Thanos doesn't appear and place a crown on anybody... If Arsenal win the ESL, they will win the ESL. Who are the ICC winners? Does anybody know? How could we possibly not know who the international champions are? Have you ever googled WBA, IBF, WBO etc. If you don't subscribe to the ESL, why do you care who or how Bayern qualifies for the competition you don't care for? They're not obliged to compete in it either. Again, the UCL remains as it did yesterday unless UEFA expels you. With who does the fault lie here? "If your for this shit, your an idiot" = emotive ad hominem screeching = not an argument. The fault lies with the trying to put self gain before the collective good. If you can't see the what the big 12 are attempting, than me explaining end results is a waste of time. As for the boxing example, you are aware what has happened to that sport? ICC? The ICC trophy? Pakistan won it, but your aware that is sanctioned by the ICC, thus the name. This is an international trophy too. So your comparison is well off. Your response makes my point far better than I could ever do. Bravo. https://www.internationalchampionscup.com/ All 19 matches, the Super League will be at least 18 matches for EACH team with a possibility of 25, not a max of 3 matches. And it ain't an exhibition in random countries done as a preseason it's midweek, mid season. That's why youre a retard, you comparing a preseason money maker exibition tournament to a continental cup.
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+xAssuming this isn't a negotiation tactic. Why has the entire world pissed their collective pants on this?
I haven't found a reasonable, well-made argument against this yet. As I understand it, the foundation clubs have no intention of leaving their domestic competions. Have they said they will not compete in UEL or UCL yet? Not that I can find.
So that essentially means they're keeping their current obligations, whilst adding what is essentially an ICC type money-spinner 'competition' to their schedules... So who cares? Who is the victim here? If the supporters feel they're being gouged for more content, then don't subscribe, you haven't lost anything.
"This will kill grassroots etc" - How? Why? Because if leagues ban their top clubs it takes money away from the top division which has an effect on parachute payments, payments to fund the lower leagues, player development. Some smaller lower division clubs may go bust especially in the current environment. The local example is people arguing we cannot afford a 2nd div in Aus because the AL doesnt generate enough income.
"This is just a money grab by rich greedy faceless.. etc" - Yes, and? That's how football generates money. Except for these clubs want the ability to do for themselves (since they're the ones generating the vast majority of the value) and not be 100% subservient to UEFA, the apparent gatekeepers to football competition, who essentially make competitions to spin money and validate their own existence. Whilst no one likes UEFA (Especially me as a City fan) they also offer support to smaller leagues in Europe, so in doing this those leagues get less support. UEFA is a lot more than the big 5 leagues. It is part of the reason they are about to implement the UEFA Conference league
"All fans globally are opposed to it. Players oppose it. Managers oppose it. All clubs not involved oppose it. Governing bodies oppose it. Broadcasters oppose it." - this is not an argument, if anything, it reveals something far more sinister and psychologically telling than football clubs with huge expenditure creating potential revenue ventures. Those clubs do not need to have a huge expenditure, it is their choice. It is not as if European football is dying and this s a last ditch effort to save it. But again these already rich clubs are creating a new venture at the expense of smaller leagues and clubs, some of who can barely stay afloat.
Isn't this just a localised ICC that runs mid-week? Did we see the same reaction for ICC? This is an intended replacement to the Champions League.
The fact that ALL media are singing the EXACT same song, and everyone else is following the tune on this news is fucking scary, to say the least. Because everyone can see how stupid it is This all gets explained in the Totally Football Podcast, but ive clarified for you
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+x+x+x+x+xIt does give a bit of perspective to how the npl clubs feel Difference here is the aleague was set up as a full time professional competition when the NPL is semi pro. This concept however is all about a pure money grab and isolate the rest of the football pyramid to take all the money from themselves, this will change football forever and turn this into a NFL or NBA style of league. Mate, NPL, NPL 2 and some NPL3 clubs all around the country pay their players (some very well BTW) AND charge admission to the ground for spectators. No different to every other league in Europe being affected by this. Only difference is that in Europe 99.99% of fans hate this idea with a passion whereas in Australia it was seen as a great way of appealing to the AFL and NRL fans.... and keeping the wogs out. IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT LOWY DID TO FOOTBALL IN AUSTRALIA 16 YEARS AGO!!! Only difference is that at least the Super League in Europe is inviting a select few of the existing clubs to participate.... I will absolutely shit myself if they decide to create one city mega franchises like here if some of the English and Italian Clubs change their minds... hahahahah Birmingham Victory vs Milan Jets anyone? hahahahahahha You know what a difference between a full time professional to a semi pro environment looks like? The Crawford report recommended a full time league to replace the NSL which had no legs anymore. This is an completly different situation here where the clubs had no control of running their own clubs from the FFA (now FootballAustralia) Anything to throw your agenda against Aus football, well done...anyway stop ruining threads like you always do. Well said Barca, he is just a bitter person angry that his team was not included in the A/L, the NSL had 40 odd years to get it right and still failed. So that's it then. They're out FORVERER? That's why people are pissed mate. Lots of clubs were basket cases in the past and have renewed or reinvented themselves. That's all these other clubs want. A chance.
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+xWhile it shows how bad the current set up is here, the NSL clubs argued for this type of concept ffs. They were totally against pro-rel, let's not forget that..... Also, Lol at FIFA, UEFA etc trying to be the good guys. They're all wankers. A lot of those clubs are the ultimate in plastic commodity football anyway, so this is hardly surprising. It's probably just a bargaining play, would be great if it backfires though. Thats not completely true mate... Hate the old NSL as much as you like but over 27 years there where something like 47 clubs that actually participated. Yes it was run like a brothel and yes no team actually wanted to get relegated and YES South Melbourne didnt get relegated in 79 but argued and begged and eventually forced Sydney Olympic to... therein is the clue though, Sydney Olympic where relegated, as where the Bergers a few times as where countless others. And not just Sydney or Melbourne teams there where lots of stupid comings and goings but to say there was NO pro/rel is just an excuse. It wasnt perfect and it WASN'T professional and it WAS too ethnic for Mr and Mrs Mangles but everyone complaining above about the breakaway league and how it is closed off and not fair that Liverpool and Real and Chelsea cant get relegated, and then watch Victory get thumped week in week out ...... c'mon thats just insanity.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIt does give a bit of perspective to how the npl clubs feel Difference here is the aleague was set up as a full time professional competition when the NPL is semi pro. This concept however is all about a pure money grab and isolate the rest of the football pyramid to take all the money from themselves, this will change football forever and turn this into a NFL or NBA style of league. Mate, NPL, NPL 2 and some NPL3 clubs all around the country pay their players (some very well BTW) AND charge admission to the ground for spectators. No different to every other league in Europe being affected by this. Only difference is that in Europe 99.99% of fans hate this idea with a passion whereas in Australia it was seen as a great way of appealing to the AFL and NRL fans.... and keeping the wogs out. IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT LOWY DID TO FOOTBALL IN AUSTRALIA 16 YEARS AGO!!! Only difference is that at least the Super League in Europe is inviting a select few of the existing clubs to participate.... I will absolutely shit myself if they decide to create one city mega franchises like here if some of the English and Italian Clubs change their minds... hahahahah Birmingham Victory vs Milan Jets anyone? hahahahahahha You know what a difference between a full time professional to a semi pro environment looks like? The Crawford report recommended a full time league to replace the NSL which had no legs anymore. This is an completly different situation here where the clubs had no control of running their own clubs from the FFA (now FootballAustralia) Anything to throw your agenda against Aus football, well done...anyway stop ruining threads like you always do. Well said Barca, he is just a bitter person angry that his team was not included in the A/L, the NSL had 40 odd years to get it right and still failed. So that's it then. They're out FORVERER? That's why people are pissed mate. Lots of clubs were basket cases in the past and have renewed or reinvented themselves. That's all these other clubs want. A chance. Nah we are out forever mate, have a better chance of applying for the European Super League I reackon. hahahahahahahah
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIt does give a bit of perspective to how the npl clubs feel Difference here is the aleague was set up as a full time professional competition when the NPL is semi pro. This concept however is all about a pure money grab and isolate the rest of the football pyramid to take all the money from themselves, this will change football forever and turn this into a NFL or NBA style of league. Mate, NPL, NPL 2 and some NPL3 clubs all around the country pay their players (some very well BTW) AND charge admission to the ground for spectators. No different to every other league in Europe being affected by this. Only difference is that in Europe 99.99% of fans hate this idea with a passion whereas in Australia it was seen as a great way of appealing to the AFL and NRL fans.... and keeping the wogs out. IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT LOWY DID TO FOOTBALL IN AUSTRALIA 16 YEARS AGO!!! Only difference is that at least the Super League in Europe is inviting a select few of the existing clubs to participate.... I will absolutely shit myself if they decide to create one city mega franchises like here if some of the English and Italian Clubs change their minds... hahahahah Birmingham Victory vs Milan Jets anyone? hahahahahahha You know what a difference between a full time professional to a semi pro environment looks like? The Crawford report recommended a full time league to replace the NSL which had no legs anymore. This is an completly different situation here where the clubs had no control of running their own clubs from the FFA (now FootballAustralia) Anything to throw your agenda against Aus football, well done...anyway stop ruining threads like you always do. So Lowy followed the Crawford report? hahahahahhah Oh man, thats gold. AND it recommended the league needed to be replaced? hahahah This mythical report has become like the Bible, no one has read it but everyone seems to quote from it .... OK, Ill leave you to your thread about how terrible it is that a bunch of rich owners want to establish a closed off cartel super league separate from all the other teams in their respective countries... totally different to the Aleague which only does it because we are unique? BTW If I had an agenda against Autralian Football I wouldn't dedicate so much of my life and money to following my club and country around. here you go mate... have a nice good read... you will know what everyone is talking about now. http://www.mediafire.com/file/ia66e551zym8n8s/292358809-Crawford-Report-2003.pdf/file Nice, thanks. Could you kindly point me to the bit where Crawford calls for the dissolution of the NSL for a "full time" league I cant seem to find it.
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+x+xWhile it shows how bad the current set up is here, the NSL clubs argued for this type of concept ffs. They were totally against pro-rel, let's not forget that..... Also, Lol at FIFA, UEFA etc trying to be the good guys. They're all wankers. A lot of those clubs are the ultimate in plastic commodity football anyway, so this is hardly surprising. It's probably just a bargaining play, would be great if it backfires though. Thats not completely true mate... Hate the old NSL as much as you like but over 27 years there where something like 47 clubs that actually participated. Yes it was run like a brothel and yes no team actually wanted to get relegated and YES South Melbourne didnt get relegated in 79 but argued and begged and eventually forced Sydney Olympic to... therein is the clue though, Sydney Olympic where relegated, as where the Bergers a few times as where countless others. And not just Sydney or Melbourne teams there where lots of stupid comings and goings but to say there was NO pro/rel is just an excuse. It wasnt perfect and it WASN'T professional and it WAS too ethnic for Mr and Mrs Mangles but everyone complaining above about the breakaway league and how it is closed off and not fair that Liverpool and Real and Chelsea cant get relegated, and then watch Victory get thumped week in week out ...... c'mon thats just insanity. I don't hate the NSL in any shape or form - I liked it, in fact I probably liked it more, and even more so in hindsight than the current system. I am just saying that big NSL clubs were not only against but fought against relegation as an idea. You could also bet the farm if they were in the position of A-League clubs (or most clubs as per these European ones for that matter) now they'd probably act the same too.
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+x+x+x+xWhether the NSL was pro, semi pro or amateur is besides the point. The point is this new league and the A league are a closed shops. Any team in Europe, in fact the world, can eventually make their way to the top tier on merit whether they're amateur when they start their journey or not. The NSL 'it wasn't even pro' is a bullshit distraction. There is a difference of a league trying to maintain itself in record to create a second division and ultimately make an open pyramid rather than this. This whole comparison to A-league is just mindless waffle again done by the same blokes over and over again. People for whatever reason, do not understand financials and structure. If the Australian football market (the general population who watch/play football and all potential sponsors) actually wanted to speed up the process and make it happen, it would of already happened. Not enough of the Australian football market cares at all hence the slowness and frustration. How is it different? The A league is a closed shop, this proposed new league is a closed shop. Even if you are correct about everything you say the A league should still be open to teams with money, ambition and merit. Like it is in EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. The A-League is maintaining and developing slowly to become a leader in creating an open system despite Australia's failing football market (no one here actually cares enough despite what you see on twitter/facebook) whilst ESL is forever a closed shop. Exactly. Just about every A-League fan on this forum wants promotion and relegation. The likes monoethnic constantly push the false narrative that we are happy with the status quo.
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So the big Euro clubs want to go even more plastic. The APL should look at the formula as there’s too much purity in the A League plastic formula. Smarten up and don’t be unique. Seems Lowy was on the right track after all. (ROFL at all the hysterical football kulchered over this) 😆
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+xSo the big Euro clubs want to go even more plastic. The APL should look at the formula as there’s too much purity in the A League plastic formula. Smarten up and don’t be unique. Seems Lowy was on the right track after all. (ROFL at all the hysterical football kulchered over this) 😆 😂
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Looks like it's already taken a scalp. Jose has been sacked by Tottenham after he refused the squad to enter the training ground in response to their entry to the superleague
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+xLooks like it's already taken a scalp. Jose has been sacked by Tottenham after he refused the squad to enter the training ground in response to their entry to the superleague You got a source, I can only find media reports it's performance based, not saying it is, just wouldn't mind a source
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIt does give a bit of perspective to how the npl clubs feel Difference here is the aleague was set up as a full time professional competition when the NPL is semi pro. This concept however is all about a pure money grab and isolate the rest of the football pyramid to take all the money from themselves, this will change football forever and turn this into a NFL or NBA style of league. Mate, NPL, NPL 2 and some NPL3 clubs all around the country pay their players (some very well BTW) AND charge admission to the ground for spectators. No different to every other league in Europe being affected by this. Only difference is that in Europe 99.99% of fans hate this idea with a passion whereas in Australia it was seen as a great way of appealing to the AFL and NRL fans.... and keeping the wogs out. IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT LOWY DID TO FOOTBALL IN AUSTRALIA 16 YEARS AGO!!! Only difference is that at least the Super League in Europe is inviting a select few of the existing clubs to participate.... I will absolutely shit myself if they decide to create one city mega franchises like here if some of the English and Italian Clubs change their minds... hahahahah Birmingham Victory vs Milan Jets anyone? hahahahahahha You know what a difference between a full time professional to a semi pro environment looks like? The Crawford report recommended a full time league to replace the NSL which had no legs anymore. This is an completly different situation here where the clubs had no control of running their own clubs from the FFA (now FootballAustralia) Anything to throw your agenda against Aus football, well done...anyway stop ruining threads like you always do. Well said Barca, he is just a bitter person angry that his team was not included in the A/L, the NSL had 40 odd years to get it right and still failed. So that's it then. They're out FORVERER? That's why people are pissed mate. Lots of clubs were basket cases in the past and have renewed or reinvented themselves. That's all these other clubs want. A chance. But they will get there chance in the NSD? The A/L with all it faults is the only professional league we have and some people hear wants this league to fail,but guess what it won’t happen, as you can see with Newcastle the other teams are propping it up until a buyer is found. just sick of people bagging the A/L as plastic or franchise, but I bet if there NPL club got a chance to play in the league they will be the first to attend the games, I call this people hypocrites.
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+x+xLooks like it's already taken a scalp. Jose has been sacked by Tottenham after he refused the squad to enter the training ground in response to their entry to the superleague You got a source, I can only find media reports it's performance based, not saying it is, just wouldn't mind a source Seen that rumour doing the rounds on Twitter but no one has confirmed it atm
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It’s hardly a closed shop if you can win promotion to it. The only thing I don’t like about it is that certain clubs can’t be relegated. Remove that and there is a chance it takes off to become the de facto champions league.
I’m in the minority but I kinda like super leagues. As long as they are structured properly. Country lines seem so arbitrary to divide leagues since players can play anywhere and still represent their national team.
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I just read this whole thread. It’s the same old tired stuff that keeps getting regurgitated, on both sides. Personally, I think a Super League is a terrible idea. I hate it. But there are smart people in those big clubs, with truckloads of money, and they have been wargaming this for years. Maybe the Packer World Series Cricket story is the best comparison, noting it revolutionised the game and the warring parties kissed and made up after three years.
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+x+x+xLooks like it's already taken a scalp. Jose has been sacked by Tottenham after he refused the squad to enter the training ground in response to their entry to the superleague You got a source, I can only find media reports it's performance based, not saying it is, just wouldn't mind a source Seen that rumour doing the rounds on Twitter but no one has confirmed it atm Looks like the tweet was done by a troll account and we all been had
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+x+x+x+x+xWhether the NSL was pro, semi pro or amateur is besides the point. The point is this new league and the A league are a closed shops. Any team in Europe, in fact the world, can eventually make their way to the top tier on merit whether they're amateur when they start their journey or not. The NSL 'it wasn't even pro' is a bullshit distraction. There is a difference of a league trying to maintain itself in record to create a second division and ultimately make an open pyramid rather than this. This whole comparison to A-league is just mindless waffle again done by the same blokes over and over again. People for whatever reason, do not understand financials and structure. If the Australian football market (the general population who watch/play football and all potential sponsors) actually wanted to speed up the process and make it happen, it would of already happened. Not enough of the Australian football market cares at all hence the slowness and frustration. How is it different? The A league is a closed shop, this proposed new league is a closed shop. Even if you are correct about everything you say the A league should still be open to teams with money, ambition and merit. Like it is in EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. The A-League is maintaining and developing slowly to become a leader in creating an open system despite Australia's failing football market (no one here actually cares enough despite what you see on twitter/facebook) whilst ESL is forever a closed shop. Exactly. Just about every A-League fan on this forum wants promotion and relegation. The likes monoethnic constantly push the false narrative that we are happy with the status quo. Off the mark, most dont actually care.
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+x+x+xWhile it shows how bad the current set up is here, the NSL clubs argued for this type of concept ffs. They were totally against pro-rel, let's not forget that..... Also, Lol at FIFA, UEFA etc trying to be the good guys. They're all wankers. A lot of those clubs are the ultimate in plastic commodity football anyway, so this is hardly surprising. It's probably just a bargaining play, would be great if it backfires though. Thats not completely true mate... Hate the old NSL as much as you like but over 27 years there where something like 47 clubs that actually participated. Yes it was run like a brothel and yes no team actually wanted to get relegated and YES South Melbourne didnt get relegated in 79 but argued and begged and eventually forced Sydney Olympic to... therein is the clue though, Sydney Olympic where relegated, as where the Bergers a few times as where countless others. And not just Sydney or Melbourne teams there where lots of stupid comings and goings but to say there was NO pro/rel is just an excuse. It wasnt perfect and it WASN'T professional and it WAS too ethnic for Mr and Mrs Mangles but everyone complaining above about the breakaway league and how it is closed off and not fair that Liverpool and Real and Chelsea cant get relegated, and then watch Victory get thumped week in week out ...... c'mon thats just insanity. I don't hate the NSL in any shape or form - I liked it, in fact I probably liked it more, and even more so in hindsight than the current system. I am just saying that big NSL clubs were not only against but fought against relegation as an idea. You could also bet the farm if they were in the position of A-League clubs (or most clubs as per these European ones for that matter) now they'd probably act the same too. Fair cop, I get what you are saying and your probably right but the fact is it never got to that and the clubs, despite the Machiavellian goings on behind the scenes at SA, never ever had the power over the league the owners of the franchises do now... Lowy basically sold them participation and guarantees of no relegation and even now clubs are folding economically and the other owners are propping them up......
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+x+x+x+x+xWhether the NSL was pro, semi pro or amateur is besides the point. The point is this new league and the A league are a closed shops. Any team in Europe, in fact the world, can eventually make their way to the top tier on merit whether they're amateur when they start their journey or not. The NSL 'it wasn't even pro' is a bullshit distraction. There is a difference of a league trying to maintain itself in record to create a second division and ultimately make an open pyramid rather than this. This whole comparison to A-league is just mindless waffle again done by the same blokes over and over again. People for whatever reason, do not understand financials and structure. If the Australian football market (the general population who watch/play football and all potential sponsors) actually wanted to speed up the process and make it happen, it would of already happened. Not enough of the Australian football market cares at all hence the slowness and frustration. How is it different? The A league is a closed shop, this proposed new league is a closed shop. Even if you are correct about everything you say the A league should still be open to teams with money, ambition and merit. Like it is in EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. The A-League is maintaining and developing slowly to become a leader in creating an open system despite Australia's failing football market (no one here actually cares enough despite what you see on twitter/facebook) whilst ESL is forever a closed shop. Exactly. Just about every A-League fan on this forum wants promotion and relegation. The likes monoethnic constantly push the false narrative that we are happy with the status quo. Are you talking about the same Aleague fans who want pro/rel as long as there is a club in every major city in the top league and relegation won't affect regional spread? Or that every club allowed to compete has no prior history past 2005? Or that WU is a great club because they represent a geographical region, drawn up with carefully created demographic lines on countless threads over and over again? The same Aleague fans who, at the same time bemoan that the shit NPL can't get their act together and create a professional division yet also cry that relegation in this country would lead to financial ruin of the ownership group as if that actually matter to anyone but the owners. There is no false narrative buddy, call me the bad guy if it makes you feel better, but for 16 years the Aleague has even a closed shop and until it eventually dies it will remain a closed shop ... franchise fee entry only. You claim to not be happy with the status quo but fans in England are tearing up their season tickets and turning their backs on clubs they are 3rd and 4th generation supporters of ..... after 1 day of this closed cartel shit....... What have Aleague fans done after 16 years of exactly the same?...
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+xSo the big Euro clubs want to go even more plastic. The APL should look at the formula as there’s too much purity in the A League plastic formula. Smarten up and don’t be unique. Seems Lowy was on the right track after all. (ROFL at all the hysterical football kulchered over this) 😆 Hahaha Lowy was a visionary...... Aleague > UEFA ..... who would have thought....
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt does give a bit of perspective to how the npl clubs feel Difference here is the aleague was set up as a full time professional competition when the NPL is semi pro. This concept however is all about a pure money grab and isolate the rest of the football pyramid to take all the money from themselves, this will change football forever and turn this into a NFL or NBA style of league. Mate, NPL, NPL 2 and some NPL3 clubs all around the country pay their players (some very well BTW) AND charge admission to the ground for spectators. No different to every other league in Europe being affected by this. Only difference is that in Europe 99.99% of fans hate this idea with a passion whereas in Australia it was seen as a great way of appealing to the AFL and NRL fans.... and keeping the wogs out. IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT LOWY DID TO FOOTBALL IN AUSTRALIA 16 YEARS AGO!!! Only difference is that at least the Super League in Europe is inviting a select few of the existing clubs to participate.... I will absolutely shit myself if they decide to create one city mega franchises like here if some of the English and Italian Clubs change their minds... hahahahah Birmingham Victory vs Milan Jets anyone? hahahahahahha You know what a difference between a full time professional to a semi pro environment looks like? The Crawford report recommended a full time league to replace the NSL which had no legs anymore. This is an completly different situation here where the clubs had no control of running their own clubs from the FFA (now FootballAustralia) Anything to throw your agenda against Aus football, well done...anyway stop ruining threads like you always do. Well said Barca, he is just a bitter person angry that his team was not included in the A/L, the NSL had 40 odd years to get it right and still failed. So that's it then. They're out FORVERER? That's why people are pissed mate. Lots of clubs were basket cases in the past and have renewed or reinvented themselves. That's all these other clubs want. A chance. But they will get there chance in the NSD? The A/L with all it faults is the only professional league we have and some people hear wants this league to fail,but guess what it won’t happen, as you can see with Newcastle the other teams are propping it up until a buyer is found. just sick of people bagging the A/L as plastic or franchise, but I bet if there NPL club got a chance to play in the league they will be the first to attend the games, I call this people hypocrites. I call people who are sick of their franchise being called a franchise soft headed. Its not just me bagging your little plastic league now precious, all of Europe is going a little feral with this, the money men have gone too far now and the undercurrent in most of Europe is f2ck this plastic closed off shit, that's only for US and Australian sports.
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+xIt’s hardly a closed shop if you can win promotion to it. The only thing I don’t like about it is that certain clubs can’t be relegated. Remove that and there is a chance it takes off to become the de facto champions league.
I’m in the minority but I kinda like super leagues. As long as they are structured properly. Country lines seem so arbitrary to divide leagues since players can play anywhere and still represent their national team. Only 5 clubs can be promoted and the original 15 will be guaranteed Aleague like immunity for presumably 50 years or something ridiculous. So in England for example you may have Spurs relegated , and fhe other 5 finishing lower than 4th (They would presumably be putting most of their effort into the more lucrative greed league) yet they all still play in this super league while Villa, Everton, Leicester or whoever finishes 1-3 that year in England may not be able to play in Europe the next year depending on what the criteria are for that one year season of ESL allowed too 5 clubs Europewide...... Country lines are only arbitrary if you cannot appreciate the idea of a domestic home and away season being the criteria by which a local fan can connect and value his or her club. Football is NOT content..... it is religion.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWhether the NSL was pro, semi pro or amateur is besides the point. The point is this new league and the A league are a closed shops. Any team in Europe, in fact the world, can eventually make their way to the top tier on merit whether they're amateur when they start their journey or not. The NSL 'it wasn't even pro' is a bullshit distraction. There is a difference of a league trying to maintain itself in record to create a second division and ultimately make an open pyramid rather than this. This whole comparison to A-league is just mindless waffle again done by the same blokes over and over again. People for whatever reason, do not understand financials and structure. If the Australian football market (the general population who watch/play football and all potential sponsors) actually wanted to speed up the process and make it happen, it would of already happened. Not enough of the Australian football market cares at all hence the slowness and frustration. How is it different? The A league is a closed shop, this proposed new league is a closed shop. Even if you are correct about everything you say the A league should still be open to teams with money, ambition and merit. Like it is in EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. The A-League is maintaining and developing slowly to become a leader in creating an open system despite Australia's failing football market (no one here actually cares enough despite what you see on twitter/facebook) whilst ESL is forever a closed shop. Exactly. Just about every A-League fan on this forum wants promotion and relegation. The likes monoethnic constantly push the false narrative that we are happy with the status quo. Are you talking about the same Aleague fans who want pro/rel as long as there is a club in every major city in the top league and relegation won't affect regional spread? Or that every club allowed to compete has no prior history past 2005? Or that WU is a great club because they represent a geographical region, drawn up with carefully created demographic lines on countless threads over and over again? The same Aleague fans who, at the same time bemoan that the shit NPL can't get their act together and create a professional division yet also cry that relegation in this country would lead to financial ruin of the ownership group as if that actually matter to anyone but the owners. There is no false narrative buddy, call me the bad guy if it makes you feel better, but for 16 years the Aleague has even a closed shop and until it eventually dies it will remain a closed shop ... franchise fee entry only. You claim to not be happy with the status quo but fans in England are tearing up their season tickets and turning their backs on clubs they are 3rd and 4th generation supporters of ..... after 1 day of this closed cartel shit....... What have Aleague fans done after 16 years of exactly the same?... Fucking state of your dribble mate, A-league supporters are allowed to have differing opinions of how an open pyramid system should work, just like people who watch NPL. Plenty of NPL and A-league supporters believe there needs to be a spread or a certain number of clubs in each major city, I personally don't, I believe in complete openness but my opinion is different from other old NSL heads and other a-league supporters. Currently, if you look at the state of the football market in this country, of course you are going to get a lot of people saying an open pyramid isn't not viable however that does not mean they are against an open pyramid, they just believe it is not viable at this current moment of time. If it was viable, the football market would naturally make it happen due to the demand but considering no one actually cares about football in this country and not enough of the football market cares (see TWG, the downfall and the collapse), the clubs have to be extremely careful and make sure everything is stable before they are creating and working with the AAFC for the open pyramid, not just second division in proper as all owners understand eventually it will make more profit for them when done in the right market time which isn't now. The key that everything is forgetting that the football market here in Australia (people who watch/play any football plus all potential sponsors) do not care enough about any development of the game here as there isn't a need too. Simply put, wider Australia does not care nor needs it. Just us as proper day in and day out football fans who are dedicate our time, support and money do but there simply isn't enough of us.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWhether the NSL was pro, semi pro or amateur is besides the point. The point is this new league and the A league are a closed shops. Any team in Europe, in fact the world, can eventually make their way to the top tier on merit whether they're amateur when they start their journey or not. The NSL 'it wasn't even pro' is a bullshit distraction. There is a difference of a league trying to maintain itself in record to create a second division and ultimately make an open pyramid rather than this. This whole comparison to A-league is just mindless waffle again done by the same blokes over and over again. People for whatever reason, do not understand financials and structure. If the Australian football market (the general population who watch/play football and all potential sponsors) actually wanted to speed up the process and make it happen, it would of already happened. Not enough of the Australian football market cares at all hence the slowness and frustration. How is it different? The A league is a closed shop, this proposed new league is a closed shop. Even if you are correct about everything you say the A league should still be open to teams with money, ambition and merit. Like it is in EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. The A-League is maintaining and developing slowly to become a leader in creating an open system despite Australia's failing football market (no one here actually cares enough despite what you see on twitter/facebook) whilst ESL is forever a closed shop. Exactly. Just about every A-League fan on this forum wants promotion and relegation. The likes monoethnic constantly push the false narrative that we are happy with the status quo. Are you talking about the same Aleague fans who want pro/rel as long as there is a club in every major city in the top league and relegation won't affect regional spread? Or that every club allowed to compete has no prior history past 2005? Or that WU is a great club because they represent a geographical region, drawn up with carefully created demographic lines on countless threads over and over again? The same Aleague fans who, at the same time bemoan that the shit NPL can't get their act together and create a professional division yet also cry that relegation in this country would lead to financial ruin of the ownership group as if that actually matter to anyone but the owners. There is no false narrative buddy, call me the bad guy if it makes you feel better, but for 16 years the Aleague has even a closed shop and until it eventually dies it will remain a closed shop ... franchise fee entry only. You claim to not be happy with the status quo but fans in England are tearing up their season tickets and turning their backs on clubs they are 3rd and 4th generation supporters of ..... after 1 day of this closed cartel shit....... What have Aleague fans done after 16 years of exactly the same?... Fucking state of your dribble mate, A-league supporters are allowed to have differing opinions of how an open pyramid system should work, just like people who watch NPL. Plenty of NPL and A-league supporters believe there needs to be a spread or a certain number of clubs in each major city, I personally don't, I believe in complete openness but my opinion is different from other old NSL heads and other a-league supporters. Currently, if you look at the state of the football market in this country, of course you are going to get a lot of people saying an open pyramid isn't not viable however that does not mean they are against an open pyramid, they just believe it is not viable at this current moment of time. If it was viable, the football market would naturally make it happen due to the demand but considering no one actually cares about football in this country and not enough of the football market cares (see TWG, the downfall and the collapse), the clubs have to be extremely careful and make sure everything is stable before they are creating and working with the AAFC for the open pyramid, not just second division in proper as all owners understand eventually it will make more profit for them when done in the right market time which isn't now. The key that everything is forgetting that the football market here in Australia (people who watch/play any football plus all potential sponsors) do not care enough about any development of the game here as there isn't a need too. Simply put, wider Australia does not care nor needs it. Just us as proper day in and day out football fans who are dedicate our time, support and money do but there simply isn't enough of us. Absolutely Aleague fans have a right to a different opinion than mine, everyone does... its a forum yeah? But can you not see that phrases like "economic viability" "football market place" "regional representation" are hate speech to the ambitions of 99% of the football clubs in Australia outside the tent of the Aleague? There are 10 x ownership groups in Australia (some are overseas) for the ESL (or Aleague as its called here) and every other single club, some 700+ is member or committee owned. We don't care about market spread, or metric considerations, or how much merchandise we can sell through Rebel sport, just want to compete All of those "considerations" are just excuses used by the franchise owners to not open up the gates...... I think there are more than enough of us, it's just that we all hate each other... BTW responding to my dribble with your own is much appreciated.🤣
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Holy crap that's depressing....
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