Been chasing those billions for 17 years now....l

Resident brains trust happy to answer your question:

For a small league where many of the clubs are not endowed with strong financial roots, you can see that a club might not survive long if they take a financial hit. We've seen how small A-League clubs have been affected by the Covid downturn. Some clubs had to ask players to take a pay cut just to survive.

Now, when an A-League club gets relegated, that is a financial hit. Do you think there will be clubs that cannot make long term investments if they are going to be relegated, and stay relegated for a long time? I think many A-League clubs may not have the financial reserves to survive long term stints in the second division. Being part of the "brains trust", I imagine that this is a massive reason why a promotion relegation system was never implemented in the first place.

Are you aware of any sports league that was started from scratch, and started life immediately as a promotion-relegation league?

They always do, lots of wishful thinking, not much understanding.

Well, that idea fell in a heap!

So that is the second division money ?

I don't think that you would be able to compete on less than $5 million per year. Remember you have two teams plus staff plus ground hire, air fares and accommodation amongst other things to consider. It ain't cheap.

So you don't want a full-pro set up....ie you want the failed model of the past, the very thing that was identified as THE top priority to avoid and lead to the creation of the A-League in the first place.

Been there. Done that.

Isn't that what the license bidding does anyway?

It can't work here because we don't have the money or the fan base ( not the same as player base).

New champions league format is an abortion.  100 extra games and backdoor entry to underperforming big clubs that have failed to qualify.

Pretty much everything they were railing against with the ESL regards not qualifying 'on merit' has been thrown into their new proposal.

https://sport.optus.com.au/articles/os24191/champions-league-changes-super-league-reaction-anlysis

Extract:

However, it means adding 100 matches an already congested football calendar with little off-season that continues to push players to their limits.

"Of course it's getting worse, but who cares? It's business, it's money. Just for this six [Premier League] teams? No, no. For everyone," Pep Guardiola said in comments about UEFA on Wednesday morning AEST.

"FIFA as well. The World Cup: we started with 16 and it went up and up and we're going to play with 50 countries. Ah, but it's okay. UEFA? More games.

"And the clubs. Do they listen to what the managers or the footballers said? When the season finished, we have two-three weeks off and then start again, start again. You demand.

"What about the problems about injuries? Absolutely nothing. Pick another player. The show must go on.

"Then maybe they think of something that maybe they don't like, then they react."

Another concern is a growing gulf between the rich and the rest developing in the game.

Last week, fans from 14 of the 28 clubs represented on the ECA board signed a scathing open letter to the chairman of the organisation vehemently objecting to these changes to the Champions League based on that exact notion.

Supporter groups from Manchester United, Paris Saint-Germain, Real Madrid, Arsenal, Ajax, Bayern Munich, Anderlecht, Atletico Madrid, Benfica, Borussia Dortmund, FC Copenhagen, Fenerbahce, Young Boys and Lyon were involved.

“Your plans to restructure the Champions League by increasing the number of games, introducing qualification based on past achievements, and monopolising commercial rights present a serious threat to the entire game,” the joint letter read.

“You will only make the gap between the rich and the rest bigger, wreck domestic calendars, and expect fans to sacrifice yet more time and money.”

“We are the fans of today, and we do not want more European games. We want strong, competitive domestic leagues, an equal opportunity to qualify for Europe based on sporting merit, and fairer sharing of the game’s wealth.

“We, therefore, demand that you drop your reckless plans. We also call on football’s governing bodies to stop making concessions to elite clubs and intervene to protect the future of the game.”

Definitely need minimum standards though but as you say they shouldn't be so onerous as to exclude 95% of prospective teams.

The divisions are in place and with just a tweak they could be national.

Nobody even needs to watch the NSD on TV.  It's not a barrier for the league to exist.  If people watch it, great.  If they don't they don't.

As for the money I'll quote myself.

As for crowds of 3000 at home grounds for former NSL clubs.  (And remember a lot of them own their own grounds.) 

Imagine those 3000 attendees paying $10 a ticket per match.

That's 30k in revenue a week.  (Excluding food and drink.)  Let's assume there's 15 home matches.  That's $450 000 revenue before even signing a sponsor.

The divisions you speak of are not national divisions are they ? So we just have state play offs to reach the top ?
Where is the money and supporters coming from, Frank has left the building and we don't have rich sugar daddies queueing up to invest.
If people are not viewing now, how are you going to change that in THIS country ?

Criteria should be minimum chips

Spectator Safety
Player Safety
Officials Safety

Maybe lighting, maybe minimum capacity

otherwise don't give those in situ any unneccessary excuses to refuse promotion

No, what we have is a fractured 2nd 3rd 4th and 5th tiers in 6 different states. This is why distance is an issue.

The 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th divisions already exist.  All that's missing is the link between them and the top tier.

Besides any of that if you care for the A-league you'll realise something needs to be done and done shortly because it's on it's last legs and not working in the current format.
Macarthur Bulls?  WTF?!  Who are they and how many go to their games?  Ditto Western United.  I couldn't even tell you without thinking hard about it where these 2 clubs are based.  And I follow the A-league.

How many people are watching it on TV?  How many are attending (pre-covid)?  It's dying.

If we live in a fantasy world because we want a proper football pyramid then you live in a parallel one where the A-League is all sunshine and lollipops.  

You ready?

You set criteria for entry that needs to be met before you get admitted into the A league or the NSD.

Media facilities
Financials
Bank guarantees
Lighting
Stadium seating
Marketing budgets
etc etc

You set everything out BEFORE any team can be a part of it.  IF a team can't meet any of the above, or whatever criteria the FA or whoever sets, they're not allowed in.  

Again, if it can work just about everywhere else why can't it work here? 

I don not give two fucks for the EPL, but i do for the the A league. This fantasy you have will not happen in your lifetime. Australians in general are not interested in second division sports.
'"Scummers " how old are you ?

The distance argument is a sideshow.  It's a 5 hour flight. 

AND?

Teams can't make that trip once a season?

Correct me if I'm wrong the Russians don't include the east in there premier league, the longest distance in play is around 2000 km between Sochi and Ural, I may be off by a hundred if Zenit is further, the distance from Sydney to Perth  is over 3200 km.
Learn your league's.

Russia also has nearly 6 times the population of Australia and has football as it's #1 sport... Not 4th/5th as we do in Australia.

considering AL is modeled on MLS franchise system bit hard to try using it as a example of why that system is OK.

With regards to distance that's such a lame excuse, Russia is bigger and wider and has full P/R so if they can manage why cant we?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_in_post_Soviet_Russia#League_system



Australia is 0.45 times as big as Russia

Russia,or the Russian Federation, is a transcontinental country located in Eastern Europe and Northern Asia. It extends from the Baltic Sea in the west to the Pacific Ocean in the east, and from the Arctic Ocean in the north to the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea in the south. Russia, the largest country by area,covers over 17,125,200 square kilometres (6,612,100 sq mi),spanning more than one-eighth of the Earth’s inhabited land area, stretching eleven time zones, and bordering 16 sovereign nations.

The difference is $10 billion and continental domination of the sport.  They have both.  We have neither.

The older I get the more I realize those who younger that don't know or give a rats about history and are therefore doomed to repeat it.

But even worse, people like you know the history, and you still want to repeat it.?

Give me one thing that is  now so different that THIS- time we won't repeat it?

When Wellington gets rightly booted it will be a national competition.

And i rebutted them with possible solutions.  Don't get your knickers in a knot because you're a glass half empty kind of bloke.

As for crowds of 3000 at home grounds for former NSL clubs.  (And remember a lot of them own their own grounds.) 

Imagine those 3000 attendees paying $10 a ticket per match.

That's 30k in revenue a week.  (Excluding food and drink.)  Let's assume there's 15 home matches.  That's $450 000 revenue before even signing a sponsor.

 

Mum told me never to over-egg the pudding

I was asked what the issues were, I gave the issues, don't fuckin ask me if you don't fuckin want them.

I'm sure, they did a midweek training session at Alice.

All you see are problems as to why this wouldn't work.  How about expending a little bit of that brain energy of yours into why this would/could work?

1, There are plenty of countries where football is not the number 1 sport where pro / rel exists.  Japan and Finland for starters.  But besides that what would attract more viewers?  A relegation battle between 13th and 14th teams or a dead rubber between those 2 teams?  Your 2.5 million numbers for Perth being relegated and not caring is ridiculous.  The whole population of WA is 2.5 million.  2.5 million are never/were never going to support a Perth team.  Yes if they get relegated it's sad for them but for some other team somewhere it's happy days..

2,3.  Did you know that the entire travel budget for a season of the A-league is less than $3 million dollars?  Did you also know that the FFA paid $3 million to help bring Tim Cahill here.  Why do you not think that a small cut from the overall TV deal couldn't fund a grant to the clubs for travel?  

Do you not think Peru, Bolivia, Ethiopia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Kazakhstan, Eritrea, Honduras, Paraguay and dozens of other countries don't have their challenges?  Why do you think Australia is so 'unique' that we can't overcome ours?