At the end of the Day UEFA have no one to blame but themselves for this shit, the 4 new allocations:

the additional spots will be allocated towards the club ranked third in the championships of the fifth-placed UEFA national association rankings.

Another spot will go to a domestic team through "Champions Path" qualification.

The last two spots will go to the clubs who have the highest club coefficient from the past five years that have not managed to qualify for the Champions League group stage, but have managed to qualify for the Champions League qualification phase, Europa League or Europa Conference League.

So off this it is possible to be relegated in a domestic comp and still play continental football, I think it also means 7 teams could plausibly come from the one country. SL ain't to much off this shit.

Actually 8, The 4 qualifiers, the UCL champion, the Europa Champion, and now 2 Coefficients. Which means that it is possible to come 9th in a domestic come and play continental football in Europa.

You seem intent on pushing the idea that "history" and an "open competition" are one in the same in Australia when it has been pointed out to you they are not.

A closed shop didn't start with the a league nor is an open competition reliant on the demise of the a league.

The fact that you and some others keep peddling this false narrative makes me think you are more interested in feeling superior to fans of a league clubs rather than wanting to see Australian football prosper.

The above statement might very well be true but judging by the comments by posters on here, the vast majority of Aleague ONLY fans dont want any form of pro/rel, especially not if it means their favourite franchise owner will walk away from the game and their franchise will fold.....
I concede that many Victory fans would probably be OK with their team being relegated this year out of disgust at how they are performing but the fact remains that for the last 17 years they have not really given it any thought, apart from gloating about how good it is to be in a league that is closed off from the 700 plus other clubs in Australia. In England, the very mention of Liverpool (for example) competing in a competition that they will never ever be relegated from and which they dont have to compete to earn a place in has sent thousands of fans to the point of lunacy... In 3 days the damage that has been done to these 6 clubs may change English football forever... In 17 years all Aleague fans cared about was safe smoke, music at corners, star wars dress up days and better crowds... PLASTIC PLASTIC PLASTIC.

Seeing how corrupt all these owners and sport organizations are who’s to say the actually matches aren’t rigged at this point?

No not at all, I agree the idea of an open competition is NOT reliant on the demise of the A league, but rather on it opening itself up to the prospect of including every other club in the land.... Despite you thinking what has and hasnt been pointed out about the NSL and how or why pro/rel didnt work or was tried and failed how many times, or was mismanaged or whatever the Aleague was meant to be a new dawn and that IS FAILING.....
What part of the below is a false narrative btw, genuinely interested as to why you say this?
1) ESL competition with 15 teams that can ever be relegated is panned worldwide and everyone in football agrees this is against the concept of sporting achievement.
2) Aleague is a competition were the 12 participating franchises can never be relegated despite their sporting performance....never.
3) Aleague fans who where seething at the thought of their favourite EPL team participating in the "plastic" ESL think the Aleague model is different because it protects their clubs owners from having to spend more than they are willing to invest so it is justified.

Its not that I'm seething about that it's the idea that they tried to remove a continental cup, so ninth place in the EPL could have a secured chance to win the replacement.

Don't need to go over your 3 points when it has been pointed out to you that most a league fans, myself included, want pro/rel.

You keep denying this, I guess because an admittance of it as a fact would weaken your position as this forum's current resident contrarian.

And what would be the criteria for promotion ?

Merit ?
Wealth ?
Geographical ?
It would end up a primarily NSW/ VIC league IMHO.
I am a PRO/REL fan, but think this country is too big and divided for that.

Mate that is simply not true.... most fans want a full FIFA model...

The history of Australian Football is out there since the mid 50's ... rich clubs have taken over and P & R has hardly ever been applied... to say this is only with the A-League is so so so misleading...

As for being plastic... the founders of the Hal clubs wee all Football people with backgrounds in Football .... and they took up the reins of what had gone broke before them... trying to paint them as one sided as you do is also totally misleading...

What you continually push is camps i.e old NSL club pure, new A-League clubs evil ... this narrative gets nowhere except downhill.

 The answer IMO is staring us in the face and is very simple to say but with so much division near impossible to do... is we need to put in place a workable plan to move to a full FIFA system and accept it won't happen overnight.... equally criteria needs to be set in this model as to what is required to be considered entering the professional ranks... the combination of teams in the professional ranks needs to include all of Australia ...

Further the divine right right claims by some former NSL clubs I find annoying ... 

Whether the plan is 3 years, 5 years, 10 years is not that important... its getting it done and done in a way that does not set the professional game back... further it does not have to happen in one year... there could be say 15 steps, and each year we can tick off another step or steps along the way ... 

What's more plastic, a teenager growing up now and following an A-League club as it's all they know...or a middle-aged man who thinks he is a football purist in his Liverpool kit saving money for a year/getting the CC maxed out to go to Anfield once in his life, despite having zero real connection to the club, other than following them in the 80s cause they were big. 

At the end of the day, does it matter? It's ultimately just a bunch of overpaid knobs trying to put a synthetic pigskin made by a 12 year old in bangledesh into a rectangle. 

Merit

Primarily NSW/VIC-   yes that's a guess and so what IF it turns out to be true ?  A top Brisbane, Adelaide or Perth club would have their 'market' more to themselves 

Just more scare tactics being thrown around as far as I can see

1. Why do you then keeping paying money to support a closed shop ?
2. Why would the closed shop change to the Pyramid if you keep giving them money to be a closed shop ?
3. Why would anyone believe you want the Pyramid ? Talk is cheap and your wallet  speaks the only language franchise owners have ever listened to.

1. Because I support football in this country in whatever form, and before you say anything I do go to NPL games aswell.
2. Fifa and the AFC have already voiced their displeasure with our current arrangements. And the Aleague has stated to them it is a future goal.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/court-ruling-reveals-letters-from-fifa-discussing-a-league-promotion-relegation-20200221-p5431n.html
3. Why would anyone believe anything on an internet forum, don't believe it, ignore what people are telling you.

The sheer arrogance of these Super League clubs is to think that, just because they've been top recently, that it gives them a perpetual right to be among the supers. I can remember when clubs like Nottingham Forrest and even Leeds United were top of the pile, but not anymore. And it's only recently that Manchester City were the dregs until they got foreign money. This is the mentality of corporate monsters like Amazon, Google, Facebook showing up in the football world. It's the same titan-mindset that thinks they are too big to fall. Hey, even Oldham Athletic - Harry Kewell's recent gig at literally the bottom of the barrel - was a founding member of the Premier League. I'm afraid this titan mentality is not going away any time soon. It is the pattern of human history over thousands of years that when something becomes stronger, it goes on to empire building. It's just part of the dark side of human nature. That means, even if this Super League was scuttled, you can be sure the titans will go back to plot another coup, probably witihn our lifetimes. Just as an Amazon will rise up to wipe out the little shops, you can be sure something will rise up to wipe out the little clubs. And the people will eventually follow, because that is the pattern in history. You disagree? Why do you continue buying from Amazon and posting on Facebook?There. Proves my point.

1.  So you physically , actually, support a closed shop to stay a closed shop, doesn't matter what else you spend money on.
2.  Whilst FIFA  (and UEFA)  have just shit their pants over the ESL in 2 days, they have only paid lip service to Australia in 16 years and FFA had to be forced by a court case into even put fake interest in writing
3.  Exactly.  Money talks, Bullshit walks.

So you want to bully people to not support the aleague because of what it is, and you want people to abandon their aleague club and support an NPL where maybe they had no connection with? Don't be narcissistic mate people have their own choices in how to spend their own money and life in general.

I hate to tell you but the same thing happened in the NSL where unless your Greek, Croatian, Italian or Scottish or whatever they had no reason to reason to support an NSL club during that time, why? Because just we mention about the aleague its all emotional connection when supporting a team and the same thing applied in the good old NSL era! 

And when the aleague came about it opened doors to support a team that had no ethnic connection to that team which allowed more of mainstream appeal and maybe it was no coincidence we saw bigger crowds during that time.

Sport in general let alone is just an distraction for real life issues and if people to want to spend money in watching an game live or on pay TV let them, no one cares about structures of what the league stands for people just want to watch their team play and have a good experience when they do watch it.

Forget all about this and the key stakeholders need find a way where everyone can support their team and grow the game together without the bullcrap people want to spill just to appease their own agenda, it will be a great day when a team can go to the top level of Australia as it means the game has come along way from where its been.

But im just sick of toxicity of some Australian football fans when some just want to bring it down at all costs.

Isn't this EXACTLY what you were doing following your NSL club in the 90s or early 2000s in the closed shop of the NSL? 

Not having pro/rel in the A-league is wrong and not having pro/rel in the NSL was wrong. How is this used as an argument of why we should continue without it?

People need to stop using it as an argument against pro/rel.

Doesn't matter if the NSL was a closed shop or not 20 or 30 years ago. Only NSL match I ever saw was the 1990 Grand Final , Marconi vs Olympic whilst I was backpacking

It's EXACTLY what I did when I bought Family Season tickets to Gold Coast United, tried to get them into the game I love

I learnt my lesson when they just moved the franchise to Western Sydney. 
It was a real eye opener when you get told to get fucked and your club gets cancelled by a lawyer in Sydney. 
I hadn't realised it was nothing about the fans or club til that point.  Wasn't in my Culture !

Family went to Nippers instead, now fully involved in Surf Life Saving and couldn't give a toss about Football

My club in England got 99.9% relegated last night.  Had a bad year, drop down, regroup and go again.

Merit and only merit.

Are you upset because London has 6 teams in the EPL?

If anything this would only make pro rel more exciting.  Imagine little old Freemantle FC or whoever getting promoted into the league with the 'scummers' from the east.

Going to ask a simple question here and see what the resident brains trusts have to say.

IF pro rel can work in 200 odd countries why do you not think it couldn't work here?

Huddo can start.

Exactly.  Why our how the NSL was run in the old days is moot.

Nearly everyone admits it was a basket case including hard core NSL people. That doesn't mean from now until kingdom come nothing can change.

Unlike 200 odd countries the Aleague is a continental competition spanding the vastness of Australaisa (same goes for MLS for it CanadIan Clubs)
WE ARE NOT A NATIONAL COMPETITION

A couple of issues make us unique:

Issue 1 is, Exposure, in most countries football is 1st or second in sports, the aleague is like the 4/5th highest watch sport in australia, how do you generate wealth if you can't generate viewer. Than how do you hold those viewer say if Perth Glory were religated, Exposure in WA would be reduced to zero, you've essential lost a market of 2.5 million potential viewers.

Issue 2 is, Distance, we're the fifth largest country in the world, because of a lack of funding Nth Queensland in their final year was forced into a bus trip to Perth, three days for one game, the Distance Derby is an 8 hour flight, it all costs money.

Issue 3 and it that feeds into both the top 2 is the Frederation Structure, that exist because of our size, but can't be consolidated into a single second tier because of the lack of capital.

That doesn't mean I as a aleague supporters don't want change to Pro/Rel in the future, I just don't want a majority of clubs becoming NthQ, otherwise it's a regression

1, There are plenty of countries where football is not the number 1 sport where pro / rel exists.  Japan and Finland for starters.  But besides that what would attract more viewers?  A relegation battle between 13th and 14th teams or a dead rubber between those 2 teams?  Your 2.5 million numbers for Perth being relegated and not caring is ridiculous.  The whole population of WA is 2.5 million.  2.5 million are never/were never going to support a Perth team.  Yes if they get relegated it's sad for them but for some other team somewhere it's happy days..

2,3.  Did you know that the entire travel budget for a season of the A-league is less than $3 million dollars?  Did you also know that the FFA paid $3 million to help bring Tim Cahill here.  Why do you not think that a small cut from the overall TV deal couldn't fund a grant to the clubs for travel?  

Do you not think Peru, Bolivia, Ethiopia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Kazakhstan, Eritrea, Honduras, Paraguay and dozens of other countries don't have their challenges?  Why do you think Australia is so 'unique' that we can't overcome ours?

All you see are problems as to why this wouldn't work.  How about expending a little bit of that brain energy of yours into why this would/could work?