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+x+x+x+xSaw online in a NPL Facebook group that both clubs will play their remaining home games this season behind closed doors. As a supporter of a sister club of Sydney United, I'm disappointed in them for getting involved in an incident like this. I don't know everything that has gone on, so I'm not going to go too in depth with it, but it's an incident like this that makes a NSD a much harder proposition. As a club that's been looking to be involved with a NSD, I would've expected the SU58 fans to realize the consequences of their actions in the grand scheme of things, but alas... there wasn't much thinking going on it would appear. The shame about an incident like this is that it gives all the people who want to s*** on ethnic clubs another reason to. We're all thrown under the bus, rather than the few individuals that have caused the problems. For me: life bans are in order, and I'd say the same if it was Melbourne Knights fans in the spotlight too. We don't want people like that at our grounds, we want an environment that our entire community can come out to and enjoy. Some of the comments in this thread have been extremely disappointing to see, and some of them no surprise at all when you see who the poster is. What I will say is that a lot of ethnic clubs have moved on, and are far more inclusive now than they were in the old days. Look through the teamsheets, look at who shows up on matchdays in the stands, and so on. At Knights, we're still extremely proud of our ties to the Croatian community, but we're not a closed shop: anyone can support the club, and anyone can play for the club. Some of you are still stuck in the past, whilst claiming that we need to move on... Very well said. I am not shit stirring - genuinely wondering - do fans still chant Cro-Ah-Tzee-A (apologies for spelling - only way I could sound it out) at games? My only experience with Croatian teams was the NSL and that forever rings in my ears. I have stayed away from any Croatian games since then because I felt like an outsider. I would be happy to reset my expectations if it has changed. Yeah, we do. It still rings around just after we score goals, and it can get pretty loud at times. It's not a chant designed to intimidate, or at least it isn't anymore :) Personally, I'm not Croatian, but that hasn't stopped me from becoming a Knights fans. I grew disinterested with Australian football at a professional level around 2016, and dropped down to NPL football, where my enjoyment of Australian football was rekindled. It's been a roller-coaster since then, but I've really enjoyed it. I'm based interstate atm, so I can't get to Somers St unfortunately, but I still manage to catch our games every week via a stream on the NPL Victoria Facebook page, and there's a great show on FNR called 'The Knight Train' that is broadcast every Monday where they discuss everything Melbourne Knights related. My loss right? But I wouldn't go and watch any team chanting 'croatia' at a game anywhere in Australia unless they were playing Croatia. You can say it's inclusive all you like, and it probably is, but Joe average is not turning up to watch that and neither am I. Call me a white Anglo skip or some other bullshit but my dad was Croatian and that's how I feel about it. I say this as someone who's travelled multiple times to Croatia. I doubt I'm alone. The Australian National team coach certainly looks included in the image below: 
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSaw online in a NPL Facebook group that both clubs will play their remaining home games this season behind closed doors. As a supporter of a sister club of Sydney United, I'm disappointed in them for getting involved in an incident like this. I don't know everything that has gone on, so I'm not going to go too in depth with it, but it's an incident like this that makes a NSD a much harder proposition. As a club that's been looking to be involved with a NSD, I would've expected the SU58 fans to realize the consequences of their actions in the grand scheme of things, but alas... there wasn't much thinking going on it would appear. The shame about an incident like this is that it gives all the people who want to s*** on ethnic clubs another reason to. We're all thrown under the bus, rather than the few individuals that have caused the problems. For me: life bans are in order, and I'd say the same if it was Melbourne Knights fans in the spotlight too. We don't want people like that at our grounds, we want an environment that our entire community can come out to and enjoy. Some of the comments in this thread have been extremely disappointing to see, and some of them no surprise at all when you see who the poster is. What I will say is that a lot of ethnic clubs have moved on, and are far more inclusive now than they were in the old days. Look through the teamsheets, look at who shows up on matchdays in the stands, and so on. At Knights, we're still extremely proud of our ties to the Croatian community, but we're not a closed shop: anyone can support the club, and anyone can play for the club. Some of you are still stuck in the past, whilst claiming that we need to move on... Very well said. I am not shit stirring - genuinely wondering - do fans still chant Cro-Ah-Tzee-A (apologies for spelling - only way I could sound it out) at games? My only experience with Croatian teams was the NSL and that forever rings in my ears. I have stayed away from any Croatian games since then because I felt like an outsider. I would be happy to reset my expectations if it has changed. Yeah, we do. It still rings around just after we score goals, and it can get pretty loud at times. It's not a chant designed to intimidate, or at least it isn't anymore :) Personally, I'm not Croatian, but that hasn't stopped me from becoming a Knights fans. I grew disinterested with Australian football at a professional level around 2016, and dropped down to NPL football, where my enjoyment of Australian football was rekindled. It's been a roller-coaster since then, but I've really enjoyed it. I'm based interstate atm, so I can't get to Somers St unfortunately, but I still manage to catch our games every week via a stream on the NPL Victoria Facebook page, and there's a great show on FNR called 'The Knight Train' that is broadcast every Monday where they discuss everything Melbourne Knights related. My loss right? But I wouldn't go and watch any team chanting 'croatia' at a game anywhere in Australia unless they were playing Croatia. You can say it's inclusive all you like, and it probably is, but Joe average is not turning up to watch that and neither am I. Call me a white Anglo skip or some other bullshit but my dad was Croatian and that's how I feel about it. I say this as someone who's travelled multiple times to Croatia. I doubt I'm alone. Joe average stopped turning up a few years ago....... to the Aleague that is, you'll find its a different story down in the weeds. What are you doing posting in here when your orange team is playing Mono? :P Good win by the mighty ROAR last night ....Ill check out the highlights on Youtube tonight if I get a chance. How is my lad Jesse Daley going these days? Jesse got a bit of a run last night. He is a better defender than attacker so he tends to start on the bench every game, but he usually gets a run later on when we need his grit to stem the tide. He does get a little exuberant in his defending at times and can commit fouls when they are not necessary, but I rate him as an up and coming player and glad we have him in our squad.
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+x+x+xIncoming rant. One thing I'm sure we can agree is the media is ready to jump on any incident that negatively involves football. The media does not hold any different prejudice to the aleague or the nsl. Secondly I'm also sure that we can agree that there are incidents like this that have occurred in the nsl and the aleague. And both leagues have had their fair share of incidents like this or worse than this. Going back to the first point, like us all, the media will determine the degree of seriousness the incident carries however with a very important difference. Agenda. Pro nsl and pro aleague supporters have their agendas to defend their views. Generally both try to under play incidents like this by either saying the other is the greater of two evils or at the very least the same. The problem is through this we as a football community get lost in this debate instead of saying this is not acceptable in any league. The media however picks what will inflame the biggest response and will hit the sport as hard as possible. From the media's perspective this almost had it all. Altercation at a local sporting ground, fighting, weapons and nationalistic and political stances on display. From watching the video this is fact and is undeniable. If an incident at the football gets picked up by the media it isn't a good thing for the sport. Where this incident goes beyond the typical football fight etc. is the nationalistic and political behaviors of the groups involved. No one can ignore that for the media this is like the cherry on top. Our issue is we would rather defend our own league blindly rather than coming together and saying this is wrong. On any level or any league this is wrong. Many posters here have been defending their views without once acknowledging that the behavior is not acceptable. This is why the sport here will never progress. We'd rather fight amongst ourselves than against the real problem. Stand up against the ones that do the sport harm like these supporters and the media. Not ALL media mate. Lucy's excellent piece shows that SBS, as always, defends soccer in this country whereas Rugari and his minions used this incident as an excuse to bash the ethnic side of the game... Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. This so called "soccer people" are so keen to make sure that they closed shop doesnt get threatened that they will do ANYTHING to bring it down... https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/npl-fracas-indefensible-but-not-racially-motivated Correct not all media. My meaning by the media was the ones that intend to harm the sport. I'll ask you a direct question, I hope for a direct answer.. is the behavior of the supporters at the game wrong or right? Absolutely DISGUSTING and should draw lifetime bans ..... No question at all from me. Also think the clubs involved are responsible for not policing the game better and should be punished by a points deduction and playing behind closed doors... Also think the same bans and fines should apply to MV for their fans throwing bottles both in the W and A leagues recently, let alone all the other incidents of violence over the years. Also think these episodes are nothing to do with "ethnic hatred" and more to do with two sets of supporters with bad blood between them - the fact that these clubs are predominately supported by two different "ethnicities" is incidental and used as a scapegoat by APL controlled football writers to slur ALL clubs outside the cartel. I hope that's direct?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSaw online in a NPL Facebook group that both clubs will play their remaining home games this season behind closed doors. As a supporter of a sister club of Sydney United, I'm disappointed in them for getting involved in an incident like this. I don't know everything that has gone on, so I'm not going to go too in depth with it, but it's an incident like this that makes a NSD a much harder proposition. As a club that's been looking to be involved with a NSD, I would've expected the SU58 fans to realize the consequences of their actions in the grand scheme of things, but alas... there wasn't much thinking going on it would appear. The shame about an incident like this is that it gives all the people who want to s*** on ethnic clubs another reason to. We're all thrown under the bus, rather than the few individuals that have caused the problems. For me: life bans are in order, and I'd say the same if it was Melbourne Knights fans in the spotlight too. We don't want people like that at our grounds, we want an environment that our entire community can come out to and enjoy. Some of the comments in this thread have been extremely disappointing to see, and some of them no surprise at all when you see who the poster is. What I will say is that a lot of ethnic clubs have moved on, and are far more inclusive now than they were in the old days. Look through the teamsheets, look at who shows up on matchdays in the stands, and so on. At Knights, we're still extremely proud of our ties to the Croatian community, but we're not a closed shop: anyone can support the club, and anyone can play for the club. Some of you are still stuck in the past, whilst claiming that we need to move on... Very well said. I am not shit stirring - genuinely wondering - do fans still chant Cro-Ah-Tzee-A (apologies for spelling - only way I could sound it out) at games? My only experience with Croatian teams was the NSL and that forever rings in my ears. I have stayed away from any Croatian games since then because I felt like an outsider. I would be happy to reset my expectations if it has changed. Yeah, we do. It still rings around just after we score goals, and it can get pretty loud at times. It's not a chant designed to intimidate, or at least it isn't anymore :) Personally, I'm not Croatian, but that hasn't stopped me from becoming a Knights fans. I grew disinterested with Australian football at a professional level around 2016, and dropped down to NPL football, where my enjoyment of Australian football was rekindled. It's been a roller-coaster since then, but I've really enjoyed it. I'm based interstate atm, so I can't get to Somers St unfortunately, but I still manage to catch our games every week via a stream on the NPL Victoria Facebook page, and there's a great show on FNR called 'The Knight Train' that is broadcast every Monday where they discuss everything Melbourne Knights related. My loss right? But I wouldn't go and watch any team chanting 'croatia' at a game anywhere in Australia unless they were playing Croatia. You can say it's inclusive all you like, and it probably is, but Joe average is not turning up to watch that and neither am I. Call me a white Anglo skip or some other bullshit but my dad was Croatian and that's how I feel about it. I say this as someone who's travelled multiple times to Croatia. I doubt I'm alone. Joe average stopped turning up a few years ago....... to the Aleague that is, you'll find its a different story down in the weeds. What are you doing posting in here when your orange team is playing Mono? :P Good win by the mighty ROAR last night ....Ill check out the highlights on Youtube tonight if I get a chance. How is my lad Jesse Daley going these days? Jesse got a bit of a run last night. He is a better defender than attacker so he tends to start on the bench every game, but he usually gets a run later on when we need his grit to stem the tide. He does get a little exuberant in his defending at times and can commit fouls when they are not necessary, but I rate him as an up and coming player and glad we have him in our squad. Yeah he could be a very handy holding midfielder, does tend to be exuberant I agree but has a good attitude and work ethic. Hope he does well.
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Just for comparison, check out the thread below for when an MV fan got stabbed by SFC fan in Sydney. The difference in comments is quite stark, there are quite a number of apologists and you can even find victim blaming (Redfern is a bad area and MV fans should expect to be stabbed). Moral of the story: A-League stabbing & hospitalization = small group of idiots clubs are OK, NSL (NPL) fight & laceration = effnik violence, no place for those clubs in Aus sokkah https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1825386/TeenarrestedfollowingstabbingRedfern?PageIndex=1
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+x+x+x+xSomeone better tell the Greeks and Maco's back in the motherland that they are meant to be lifelong enemies and fighting, otherwise the racists on here will have their minds blown..... NewsGreece-North Macedonia 'selfie diplomacy' warms relations Date02.04.2019 The Macedonian and Greek leaders posed for selfies during Alex Tsipras' first official visit. It marks a "new chapter" in relations between the neighbors after a decadeslong dispute.  Greek Prime Minister Alex Tsipras was in the capital of North Macedonia, Skopje, on Tuesday for a landmark trip to Greece's northern neighbor. "Today our republic for the first time in its history is a hosting an official visit of a Greek prime minister," North Macedonian Prime Minister Zoran Zaev noted during a joint press conference. "We are starting to cover lost ground to build a deep friendship, not only between our governments, but especially between our people," Tsipras said. https://www.dw.com/en/greece-north-macedonia-selfie-diplomacy-warms-relations/a-48167079 Calls people racists Makes excuses for nazi salutes. Oh good. More excuses. replace "anti-sydney" with "anti-NSL" and you may start to understand what many effniks feel  https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1825386/TeenarrestedfollowingstabbingRedfern?PageIndex=7#bm1825589
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+xJust for comparison, check out the thread below for when an MV fan got stabbed by SFC fan in Sydney. The difference in comments is quite stark, there are quite a number of apologists and you can even find victim blaming (Redfern is a bad area and MV fans should expect to be stabbed). Moral of the story: A-League stabbing & hospitalization = small group of idiots clubs are OK, NSL (NPL) fight & laceration = effnik violence, no place for those clubs in Aus sokkah https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1825386/TeenarrestedfollowingstabbingRedfern?PageIndex=1 Well yeah, people would bring this up in the past and the response would always be the typical “at least it wasn’t ethnic” line.
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Both teams should be suspended for the rest of the season. If either teams wins premiers plate and or the G/F who hear thinks playing behind closed doors was enough to, seriously, curtail this kind of behaviour? Sometimes everyone have to pay the price for the actions of the stupid few.
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A few idiots at that Npl match have given the mainstream media a field day to bash soccer yet again. Media is obviously biased towards other codes & their attempts to harm soccer are quite pathetic really. As if soccers world popularity as the world game is really going to suffer from their bias in the long-term
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+xJust for comparison, check out the thread below for when an MV fan got stabbed by SFC fan in Sydney. The difference in comments is quite stark, there are quite a number of apologists and you can even find victim blaming (Redfern is a bad area and MV fans should expect to be stabbed). Moral of the story: A-League stabbing & hospitalization = small group of idiots clubs are OK, NSL (NPL) fight & laceration = effnik violence, no place for those clubs in Aus sokkah https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1825386/TeenarrestedfollowingstabbingRedfern?PageIndex=1 the double standards of the HAL fans is amusing. when is HAL fans in a fight, its only a small minority, where some even defend their actions. When its a NPL club, (any of ethnic origins), its automatically racially driven, kick them out of the competition etc. Football still has a long way to go, to bridge that gap or divide, and TBH i dont think it will ever be closed.
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+x+xIncoming rant. One thing I'm sure we can agree is the media is ready to jump on any incident that negatively involves football. The media does not hold any different prejudice to the aleague or the nsl. Secondly I'm also sure that we can agree that there are incidents like this that have occurred in the nsl and the aleague. And both leagues have had their fair share of incidents like this or worse than this. Going back to the first point, like us all, the media will determine the degree of seriousness the incident carries however with a very important difference. Agenda. Pro nsl and pro aleague supporters have their agendas to defend their views. Generally both try to under play incidents like this by either saying the other is the greater of two evils or at the very least the same. The problem is through this we as a football community get lost in this debate instead of saying this is not acceptable in any league. The media however picks what will inflame the biggest response and will hit the sport as hard as possible. From the media's perspective this almost had it all. Altercation at a local sporting ground, fighting, weapons and nationalistic and political stances on display. From watching the video this is fact and is undeniable. If an incident at the football gets picked up by the media it isn't a good thing for the sport. Where this incident goes beyond the typical football fight etc. is the nationalistic and political behaviors of the groups involved. No one can ignore that for the media this is like the cherry on top. Our issue is we would rather defend our own league blindly rather than coming together and saying this is wrong. On any level or any league this is wrong. Many posters here have been defending their views without once acknowledging that the behavior is not acceptable. This is why the sport here will never progress. We'd rather fight amongst ourselves than against the real problem. Stand up against the ones that do the sport harm like these supporters and the media. Not ALL media mate. Lucy's excellent piece shows that SBS, as always, defends soccer in this country whereas Rugari and his minions used this incident as an excuse to bash the ethnic side of the game... Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. This so called "soccer people" are so keen to make sure that they closed shop doesnt get threatened that they will do ANYTHING to bring it down... https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/npl-fracas-indefensible-but-not-racially-motivated Her sterling defence of Staj in the Matildas debacle was commendable and really shows her support for soccer in this country. As for the current situation, Lucy, like the majority of journalists , appear to defend her bias and not the actual events. If only you knew what she knew.
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+x+x+xSomeone better tell the Greeks and Maco's back in the motherland that they are meant to be lifelong enemies and fighting, otherwise the racists on here will have their minds blown..... NewsGreece-North Macedonia 'selfie diplomacy' warms relations Date02.04.2019 The Macedonian and Greek leaders posed for selfies during Alex Tsipras' first official visit. It marks a "new chapter" in relations between the neighbors after a decadeslong dispute. Sorry but what is your point? Shouldn't you be showing these articles to the idiots fighting at the games rather than using it here to try paint people as racist? Thing is, migrants tend to remember their country/culture as being the same as whenever it was they left. So 3rd/4th generation Italian kids here, for example, still think of Italian culture as being what it was in the 50s as that's when their grandparents came. This is a known well studied phenomena. Italians that come here now are more than a little confused and think it's a time warp. I'm sure the same applies to greeks, croats etc etc so yes, please spread these articles where they should be shared ie. to these idiot fans and actual racist nazi idiots So you believe that the Italians/Cros/Greeks/(insert any nationality here) living in Aus are stuck in a time warp and live like they did in the 50s; the poor bastards havent got the internet yet and their wireless is 60 years old and doesn't work any more so they don't realise the war in their homeland is over. This is 24 carat gold! This illustrates my point exactly, ignorant people like you I don't know why I'm replying to such a downright idiotic response but it really is a documented thing. I am Italian and members of my family and friends have even written theses on the topic of migration and studied cultural differences in the diaspora. When group migrations happen it tends to freeze the culture for those groups and they still live "the old ways" and romaticise life back at home when in fact home moves along with the times just like the country they migrated TO. That is a very simplistic explanation but I'm trying to help you understand I don't mean that their papers are dated June 1955 and that they don't have internet.
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+x+x+x+xIncoming rant. One thing I'm sure we can agree is the media is ready to jump on any incident that negatively involves football. The media does not hold any different prejudice to the aleague or the nsl. Secondly I'm also sure that we can agree that there are incidents like this that have occurred in the nsl and the aleague. And both leagues have had their fair share of incidents like this or worse than this. Going back to the first point, like us all, the media will determine the degree of seriousness the incident carries however with a very important difference. Agenda. Pro nsl and pro aleague supporters have their agendas to defend their views. Generally both try to under play incidents like this by either saying the other is the greater of two evils or at the very least the same. The problem is through this we as a football community get lost in this debate instead of saying this is not acceptable in any league. The media however picks what will inflame the biggest response and will hit the sport as hard as possible. From the media's perspective this almost had it all. Altercation at a local sporting ground, fighting, weapons and nationalistic and political stances on display. From watching the video this is fact and is undeniable. If an incident at the football gets picked up by the media it isn't a good thing for the sport. Where this incident goes beyond the typical football fight etc. is the nationalistic and political behaviors of the groups involved. No one can ignore that for the media this is like the cherry on top. Our issue is we would rather defend our own league blindly rather than coming together and saying this is wrong. On any level or any league this is wrong. Many posters here have been defending their views without once acknowledging that the behavior is not acceptable. This is why the sport here will never progress. We'd rather fight amongst ourselves than against the real problem. Stand up against the ones that do the sport harm like these supporters and the media. Not ALL media mate. Lucy's excellent piece shows that SBS, as always, defends soccer in this country whereas Rugari and his minions used this incident as an excuse to bash the ethnic side of the game... Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. This so called "soccer people" are so keen to make sure that they closed shop doesnt get threatened that they will do ANYTHING to bring it down... https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/npl-fracas-indefensible-but-not-racially-motivated Correct not all media. My meaning by the media was the ones that intend to harm the sport. I'll ask you a direct question, I hope for a direct answer.. is the behavior of the supporters at the game wrong or right? Absolutely DISGUSTING and should draw lifetime bans ..... No question at all from me. Also think the clubs involved are responsible for not policing the game better and should be punished by a points deduction and playing behind closed doors... Also think the same bans and fines should apply to MV for their fans throwing bottles both in the W and A leagues recently, let alone all the other incidents of violence over the years. Also think these episodes are nothing to do with "ethnic hatred" and more to do with two sets of supporters with bad blood between them - the fact that these clubs are predominately supported by two different "ethnicities" is incidental and used as a scapegoat by APL controlled football writers to slur ALL clubs outside the cartel. I hope that's direct? Thanks for the reply, I didn't know up to now where you stood on this. I don't believe it's necessarily ethnic hatred either... showcasing ethnicity publicly though?? More likely. Agree about the bans in your example to victory fans throwing bottles. +x+xJust for comparison, check out the thread below for when an MV fan got stabbed by SFC fan in Sydney. The difference in comments is quite stark, there are quite a number of apologists and you can even find victim blaming (Redfern is a bad area and MV fans should expect to be stabbed). Moral of the story: A-League stabbing & hospitalization = small group of idiots clubs are OK, NSL (NPL) fight & laceration = effnik violence, no place for those clubs in Aus sokkah https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1825386/TeenarrestedfollowingstabbingRedfern?PageIndex=1 the double standards of the HAL fans is amusing. when is HAL fans in a fight, its only a small minority, where some even defend their actions. When its a NPL club, (any of ethnic origins), its automatically racially driven, kick them out of the competition etc. Football still has a long way to go, to bridge that gap or divide, and TBH i dont think it will ever be closed. I wasn't there but from the accounts it didn't start because of racial hatred. Ethnicity was publicly and proudly on display though. I don't care if it's aleague or nsl fans that do this shit should be punished the same. There is just one added 'fuel to the fire' in this scenario...nationalism and political stances thrown into the mix. The question is if supporters of either an aleague club or an nsl club are involved in an incident but one of those also adds nationalistic and more extreme political views, should they be looked at differently? And thereby punished differently?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xCan see how the name Illinden-Macedonian uprising in 1903, applies to the game of Soccer in NSW Australia. It's obviously back to the future for Soccer in this country, to it's detriment and for James Johnson and the FA. Ray Hadley showed him up for the politician that he is. Who the F@ck do you think you are to tell a community soccer club what they can and can't call themselves? If they wanna call themselves "Pink Fairy Godmothers FC" then the have every right under Australian Constitutional Law to do so..... We live in a country which legally respects the right of every individual and organisation to self identify as they see fit as long as it doesn't break any laws... Your fake outrage at this proud North Macedonian founded club is based on what exactly? Or are you no better than this dopey bogan skip Hadley who claims we are all Australians but only the white ones with monosyllabic surnames.. So your happy for me to name a team Serbian Cleansing Croats FC? hows it any different from Nazi Supremcy FC? Absolutely NOT this name is both offensive and illegal... And a little confusing BTW as I cant tell who you think would be doing the cleansing.... As PIFA says above, you clearly dont like anything to do with non-anglo Australia but lucky for the rest of us your opinion means diddly squat. so now the name is offensive? what about for turkish people? no offensive to them? why did they change the name in 2020? what was wrong with the suns? I'm just genuinely curious. I dont hate ethnic clubs, I hate retards who think these clubs are important while they drag the game down and stop us from actually getting better... if you so hell bent on getting revenge go home and get it? i dont understand.. .greece is a beautiful country..so its croatia... i have been to both and would live there in a heartbeat... "Retard" what a vile word... Anyway, if you dont value these clubs I dont think anyone cars.. You have your plastic cartel clubs which are doing a bang up job of "making things better" I hear they are even thinking of offering the whole league off to an American bank now..... awesome. https://www.reddit.com/r/Aleague/comments/mzmzvv/private_equity_bids_lodged_for_aleague_stake_as/As for your little racist diatribe about Illinden, perhaps I can put things into perspective for you (without the aid of your wikipedia education) Do you consider Gallipoli and the ANZAC story a nation defining moment of a young country shaking off the shackles of colonialism and staking a claim on the world stage to define who they are collectively as a people or ..... as an invasion of the sovereign land of the poor Turks who had no grievances with either Australia or New Zealand yet where brutally slaughtered by a foreign army on their shores? Which name do you think would be more offensive to a Turkish Australian? Do you care? Or how about the American Revolution, do you think any English people living in America get offended on the 4th of July? Yes it was the Australians who wanted to land at Gallipoli and get slaughtered.... how dumb are you? honestly? have you actually finished any grade in school? We were fighting under the British empire... what they said.. we did...along with all the other allies. I knew the ethnic clubs had some village idiots running around but holy shit mate... hope you haven't procreated.
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+x+x+x+xSomeone better tell the Greeks and Maco's back in the motherland that they are meant to be lifelong enemies and fighting, otherwise the racists on here will have their minds blown..... NewsGreece-North Macedonia 'selfie diplomacy' warms relations Date02.04.2019 The Macedonian and Greek leaders posed for selfies during Alex Tsipras' first official visit. It marks a "new chapter" in relations between the neighbors after a decadeslong dispute. Sorry but what is your point? Shouldn't you be showing these articles to the idiots fighting at the games rather than using it here to try paint people as racist? Thing is, migrants tend to remember their country/culture as being the same as whenever it was they left. So 3rd/4th generation Italian kids here, for example, still think of Italian culture as being what it was in the 50s as that's when their grandparents came. This is a known well studied phenomena. Italians that come here now are more than a little confused and think it's a time warp. I'm sure the same applies to greeks, croats etc etc so yes, please spread these articles where they should be shared ie. to these idiot fans and actual racist nazi idiots So you believe that the Italians/Cros/Greeks/(insert any nationality here) living in Aus are stuck in a time warp and live like they did in the 50s; the poor bastards havent got the internet yet and their wireless is 60 years old and doesn't work any more so they don't realise the war in their homeland is over. This is 24 carat gold! This illustrates my point exactly, ignorant people like you I don't know why I'm replying to such a downright idiotic response but it really is a documented thing. I am Italian and members of my family and friends have even written theses on the topic of migration and studied cultural differences in the diaspora. When group migrations happen it tends to freeze the culture for those groups and they still live "the old ways" and romaticise life back at home when in fact home moves along with the times just like the country they migrated TO. That is a very simplistic explanation but I'm trying to help you understand I don't mean that their papers are dated June 1955 and that they don't have internet. What, you mean they dont actually stay in the 1950's... who'd have thought. Thanks for clarifying that, I thought Fonzi may still be running around Lygon Street. To your point about culture, cultures dont actually stand still, they always evolve and what you are describing is a branching off into different directions from a common point, Euro Italian culture being influenced by the events and developments in their diaspora and the Aussie Italian culture evolving under the local influences and that leads to the divergence. But culture and war are 2 very different things and trying to suggest local emigrants and their children hate the enemy from 50 years ago due to some cultural time warp is simplistic nonsense. But tell me as an Italian, which enemies from the 1950's do you and your Italian relatives still hate and want to go to war locally with? The "offense" a particular group has caused to another is just a convenient excuse to justify the actions of idiots, but like I highlighted above, there are double standards depending on your nationality
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+x+x+x+x+xSomeone better tell the Greeks and Maco's back in the motherland that they are meant to be lifelong enemies and fighting, otherwise the racists on here will have their minds blown..... NewsGreece-North Macedonia 'selfie diplomacy' warms relations Date02.04.2019 The Macedonian and Greek leaders posed for selfies during Alex Tsipras' first official visit. It marks a "new chapter" in relations between the neighbors after a decadeslong dispute. Sorry but what is your point? Shouldn't you be showing these articles to the idiots fighting at the games rather than using it here to try paint people as racist? Thing is, migrants tend to remember their country/culture as being the same as whenever it was they left. So 3rd/4th generation Italian kids here, for example, still think of Italian culture as being what it was in the 50s as that's when their grandparents came. This is a known well studied phenomena. Italians that come here now are more than a little confused and think it's a time warp. I'm sure the same applies to greeks, croats etc etc so yes, please spread these articles where they should be shared ie. to these idiot fans and actual racist nazi idiots So you believe that the Italians/Cros/Greeks/(insert any nationality here) living in Aus are stuck in a time warp and live like they did in the 50s; the poor bastards havent got the internet yet and their wireless is 60 years old and doesn't work any more so they don't realise the war in their homeland is over. This is 24 carat gold! This illustrates my point exactly, ignorant people like you I don't know why I'm replying to such a downright idiotic response but it really is a documented thing. I am Italian and members of my family and friends have even written theses on the topic of migration and studied cultural differences in the diaspora. When group migrations happen it tends to freeze the culture for those groups and they still live "the old ways" and romaticise life back at home when in fact home moves along with the times just like the country they migrated TO. That is a very simplistic explanation but I'm trying to help you understand I don't mean that their papers are dated June 1955 and that they don't have internet. What, you mean they dont actually stay in the 1950's... who'd have thought. Thanks for clarifying that, I thought Fonzi may still be running around Lygon Street. To your point about culture, cultures dont actually stand still, they always evolve and what you are describing is a branching off into different directions from a common point, Euro Italian culture being influenced by the events and developments in their diaspora and the Aussie Italian culture evolving under the local influences and that leads to the divergence. But culture and war are 2 very different things and trying to suggest local emigrants and their children hate the enemy from 50 years ago due to some cultural time warp is simplistic nonsense. But tell me as an Italian, which enemies from the 1950's do you and your Italian relatives still hate and want to go to war locally with? The "offense" a particular group has caused to another is just a convenient excuse to justify the actions of idiots, but like I highlighted above, there are double standards depending on your nationality Well Italy DID Invade Greece in October 1940 (and was roundly humiliated by the plucky Greeks and pushed back into Albania before they called big brother Adolf to come and bail them out) but I dont see how that has stopped the thousands upon thousands of Greek/Italian weddings in Australia over the last 40 years :)
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCan see how the name Illinden-Macedonian uprising in 1903, applies to the game of Soccer in NSW Australia. It's obviously back to the future for Soccer in this country, to it's detriment and for James Johnson and the FA. Ray Hadley showed him up for the politician that he is. Who the F@ck do you think you are to tell a community soccer club what they can and can't call themselves? If they wanna call themselves "Pink Fairy Godmothers FC" then the have every right under Australian Constitutional Law to do so..... We live in a country which legally respects the right of every individual and organisation to self identify as they see fit as long as it doesn't break any laws... Your fake outrage at this proud North Macedonian founded club is based on what exactly? Or are you no better than this dopey bogan skip Hadley who claims we are all Australians but only the white ones with monosyllabic surnames.. So your happy for me to name a team Serbian Cleansing Croats FC? hows it any different from Nazi Supremcy FC? Absolutely NOT this name is both offensive and illegal... And a little confusing BTW as I cant tell who you think would be doing the cleansing.... As PIFA says above, you clearly dont like anything to do with non-anglo Australia but lucky for the rest of us your opinion means diddly squat. so now the name is offensive? what about for turkish people? no offensive to them? why did they change the name in 2020? what was wrong with the suns? I'm just genuinely curious. I dont hate ethnic clubs, I hate retards who think these clubs are important while they drag the game down and stop us from actually getting better... if you so hell bent on getting revenge go home and get it? i dont understand.. .greece is a beautiful country..so its croatia... i have been to both and would live there in a heartbeat... "Retard" what a vile word... Anyway, if you dont value these clubs I dont think anyone cars.. You have your plastic cartel clubs which are doing a bang up job of "making things better" I hear they are even thinking of offering the whole league off to an American bank now..... awesome. https://www.reddit.com/r/Aleague/comments/mzmzvv/private_equity_bids_lodged_for_aleague_stake_as/As for your little racist diatribe about Illinden, perhaps I can put things into perspective for you (without the aid of your wikipedia education) Do you consider Gallipoli and the ANZAC story a nation defining moment of a young country shaking off the shackles of colonialism and staking a claim on the world stage to define who they are collectively as a people or ..... as an invasion of the sovereign land of the poor Turks who had no grievances with either Australia or New Zealand yet where brutally slaughtered by a foreign army on their shores? Which name do you think would be more offensive to a Turkish Australian? Do you care? Or how about the American Revolution, do you think any English people living in America get offended on the 4th of July? Yes it was the Australians who wanted to land at Gallipoli and get slaughtered.... how dumb are you? honestly? have you actually finished any grade in school? We were fighting under the British empire... what they said.. we did...along with all the other allies. I knew the ethnic clubs had some village idiots running around but holy shit mate... hope you haven't procreated. Yeah Im pretty dumb to be engaging with you I suppose but I actually went "all the way" in school although Im not sure how that relates to my intelligence? You didnt answer my question though .. to paraphrase for your level: One club is called ANZAC FC and another is called Rockdale Illenden FC, which one of these is promoting war crimes?
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+x+x+x+x+xIncoming rant. One thing I'm sure we can agree is the media is ready to jump on any incident that negatively involves football. The media does not hold any different prejudice to the aleague or the nsl. Secondly I'm also sure that we can agree that there are incidents like this that have occurred in the nsl and the aleague. And both leagues have had their fair share of incidents like this or worse than this. Going back to the first point, like us all, the media will determine the degree of seriousness the incident carries however with a very important difference. Agenda. Pro nsl and pro aleague supporters have their agendas to defend their views. Generally both try to under play incidents like this by either saying the other is the greater of two evils or at the very least the same. The problem is through this we as a football community get lost in this debate instead of saying this is not acceptable in any league. The media however picks what will inflame the biggest response and will hit the sport as hard as possible. From the media's perspective this almost had it all. Altercation at a local sporting ground, fighting, weapons and nationalistic and political stances on display. From watching the video this is fact and is undeniable. If an incident at the football gets picked up by the media it isn't a good thing for the sport. Where this incident goes beyond the typical football fight etc. is the nationalistic and political behaviors of the groups involved. No one can ignore that for the media this is like the cherry on top. Our issue is we would rather defend our own league blindly rather than coming together and saying this is wrong. On any level or any league this is wrong. Many posters here have been defending their views without once acknowledging that the behavior is not acceptable. This is why the sport here will never progress. We'd rather fight amongst ourselves than against the real problem. Stand up against the ones that do the sport harm like these supporters and the media. Not ALL media mate. Lucy's excellent piece shows that SBS, as always, defends soccer in this country whereas Rugari and his minions used this incident as an excuse to bash the ethnic side of the game... Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. This so called "soccer people" are so keen to make sure that they closed shop doesnt get threatened that they will do ANYTHING to bring it down... https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/npl-fracas-indefensible-but-not-racially-motivated Correct not all media. My meaning by the media was the ones that intend to harm the sport. I'll ask you a direct question, I hope for a direct answer.. is the behavior of the supporters at the game wrong or right? Absolutely DISGUSTING and should draw lifetime bans ..... No question at all from me. Also think the clubs involved are responsible for not policing the game better and should be punished by a points deduction and playing behind closed doors... Also think the same bans and fines should apply to MV for their fans throwing bottles both in the W and A leagues recently, let alone all the other incidents of violence over the years. Also think these episodes are nothing to do with "ethnic hatred" and more to do with two sets of supporters with bad blood between them - the fact that these clubs are predominately supported by two different "ethnicities" is incidental and used as a scapegoat by APL controlled football writers to slur ALL clubs outside the cartel. I hope that's direct? Thanks for the reply, I didn't know up to now where you stood on this. I don't believe it's necessarily ethnic hatred either... showcasing ethnicity publicly though?? More likely. Agree about the bans in your example to victory fans throwing bottles. +x+xJust for comparison, check out the thread below for when an MV fan got stabbed by SFC fan in Sydney. The difference in comments is quite stark, there are quite a number of apologists and you can even find victim blaming (Redfern is a bad area and MV fans should expect to be stabbed). Moral of the story: A-League stabbing & hospitalization = small group of idiots clubs are OK, NSL (NPL) fight & laceration = effnik violence, no place for those clubs in Aus sokkah https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1825386/TeenarrestedfollowingstabbingRedfern?PageIndex=1 the double standards of the HAL fans is amusing. when is HAL fans in a fight, its only a small minority, where some even defend their actions. When its a NPL club, (any of ethnic origins), its automatically racially driven, kick them out of the competition etc. Football still has a long way to go, to bridge that gap or divide, and TBH i dont think it will ever be closed. I wasn't there but from the accounts it didn't start because of racial hatred. Ethnicity was publicly and proudly on display though. I don't care if it's aleague or nsl fans that do this shit should be punished the same. There is just one added 'fuel to the fire' in this scenario...nationalism and political stances thrown into the mix. The question is if supporters of either an aleague club or an nsl club are involved in an incident but one of those also adds nationalistic and more extreme political views, should they be looked at differently? And thereby punished differently? Thats fair but what is disappointing is that stories like these are almost jumped mon with glee by the so called Football Media here as a way of highlighting the validity of the shitty plastic system they are trying to push down consumers throats.
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+x+x+x+x+xSomeone better tell the Greeks and Maco's back in the motherland that they are meant to be lifelong enemies and fighting, otherwise the racists on here will have their minds blown..... NewsGreece-North Macedonia 'selfie diplomacy' warms relations Date02.04.2019 The Macedonian and Greek leaders posed for selfies during Alex Tsipras' first official visit. It marks a "new chapter" in relations between the neighbors after a decadeslong dispute. Sorry but what is your point? Shouldn't you be showing these articles to the idiots fighting at the games rather than using it here to try paint people as racist? Thing is, migrants tend to remember their country/culture as being the same as whenever it was they left. So 3rd/4th generation Italian kids here, for example, still think of Italian culture as being what it was in the 50s as that's when their grandparents came. This is a known well studied phenomena. Italians that come here now are more than a little confused and think it's a time warp. I'm sure the same applies to greeks, croats etc etc so yes, please spread these articles where they should be shared ie. to these idiot fans and actual racist nazi idiots So you believe that the Italians/Cros/Greeks/(insert any nationality here) living in Aus are stuck in a time warp and live like they did in the 50s; the poor bastards havent got the internet yet and their wireless is 60 years old and doesn't work any more so they don't realise the war in their homeland is over. This is 24 carat gold! This illustrates my point exactly, ignorant people like you I don't know why I'm replying to such a downright idiotic response but it really is a documented thing. I am Italian and members of my family and friends have even written theses on the topic of migration and studied cultural differences in the diaspora. When group migrations happen it tends to freeze the culture for those groups and they still live "the old ways" and romaticise life back at home when in fact home moves along with the times just like the country they migrated TO. That is a very simplistic explanation but I'm trying to help you understand I don't mean that their papers are dated June 1955 and that they don't have internet. What, you mean they dont actually stay in the 1950's... who'd have thought. Thanks for clarifying that, I thought Fonzi may still be running around Lygon Street. To your point about culture, cultures dont actually stand still, they always evolve and what you are describing is a branching off into different directions from a common point, Euro Italian culture being influenced by the events and developments in their diaspora and the Aussie Italian culture evolving under the local influences and that leads to the divergence. But culture and war are 2 very different things and trying to suggest local emigrants and their children hate the enemy from 50 years ago due to some cultural time warp is simplistic nonsense. But tell me as an Italian, which enemies from the 1950's do you and your Italian relatives still hate and want to go to war locally with? The "offense" a particular group has caused to another is just a convenient excuse to justify the actions of idiots, but like I highlighted above, there are double standards depending on your nationality His point is a phenomena long established. Cultures evolve, but they evolve far faster at their point of origin than anywhere else. The Italian culture of Italian Australians evolves far slower than the Italian culture of Italians. In fact, when the cultures of Italian Australians changes, it changes by completely dropping Italian culture and adopting contemporary Australian culture. It doesn't change by adopting contemporary Italian culture. So, the PRACTICED cultural heritage of groups that have emigrated tend to reflect the culture they emigrated from, as it was when they emigrated, and the current culture of the place they emigrated to. So yes, Italian Australian culture tends to be a mix of 1950s Italian culture, and 21st century Australian culture. This is a world wide phenomena, not really disputed as far as I am aware.
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Who'd have thought that football violence was so complicated? :w00t::laugh::hehe:
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+xWho'd have thought that football violence was so complicated? :w00t::laugh::hehe: 😂
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+x+x+x+x+x+xSomeone better tell the Greeks and Maco's back in the motherland that they are meant to be lifelong enemies and fighting, otherwise the racists on here will have their minds blown..... NewsGreece-North Macedonia 'selfie diplomacy' warms relations Date02.04.2019 The Macedonian and Greek leaders posed for selfies during Alex Tsipras' first official visit. It marks a "new chapter" in relations between the neighbors after a decadeslong dispute. Sorry but what is your point? Shouldn't you be showing these articles to the idiots fighting at the games rather than using it here to try paint people as racist? Thing is, migrants tend to remember their country/culture as being the same as whenever it was they left. So 3rd/4th generation Italian kids here, for example, still think of Italian culture as being what it was in the 50s as that's when their grandparents came. This is a known well studied phenomena. Italians that come here now are more than a little confused and think it's a time warp. I'm sure the same applies to greeks, croats etc etc so yes, please spread these articles where they should be shared ie. to these idiot fans and actual racist nazi idiots So you believe that the Italians/Cros/Greeks/(insert any nationality here) living in Aus are stuck in a time warp and live like they did in the 50s; the poor bastards havent got the internet yet and their wireless is 60 years old and doesn't work any more so they don't realise the war in their homeland is over. This is 24 carat gold! This illustrates my point exactly, ignorant people like you I don't know why I'm replying to such a downright idiotic response but it really is a documented thing. I am Italian and members of my family and friends have even written theses on the topic of migration and studied cultural differences in the diaspora. When group migrations happen it tends to freeze the culture for those groups and they still live "the old ways" and romaticise life back at home when in fact home moves along with the times just like the country they migrated TO. That is a very simplistic explanation but I'm trying to help you understand I don't mean that their papers are dated June 1955 and that they don't have internet. What, you mean they dont actually stay in the 1950's... who'd have thought. Thanks for clarifying that, I thought Fonzi may still be running around Lygon Street. To your point about culture, cultures dont actually stand still, they always evolve and what you are describing is a branching off into different directions from a common point, Euro Italian culture being influenced by the events and developments in their diaspora and the Aussie Italian culture evolving under the local influences and that leads to the divergence. But culture and war are 2 very different things and trying to suggest local emigrants and their children hate the enemy from 50 years ago due to some cultural time warp is simplistic nonsense. But tell me as an Italian, which enemies from the 1950's do you and your Italian relatives still hate and want to go to war locally with? The "offense" a particular group has caused to another is just a convenient excuse to justify the actions of idiots, but like I highlighted above, there are double standards depending on your nationality His point is a phenomena long established. Cultures evolve, but they evolve far faster at their point of origin than anywhere else. The Italian culture of Italian Australians evolves far slower than the Italian culture of Italians. In fact, when the cultures of Italian Australians changes, it changes by completely dropping Italian culture and adopting contemporary Australian culture. It doesn't change by adopting contemporary Italian culture. So, the PRACTICED cultural heritage of groups that have emigrated tend to reflect the culture they emigrated from, as it was when they emigrated, and the current culture of the place they emigrated to. So yes, Italian Australian culture tends to be a mix of 1950s Italian culture, and 21st century Australian culture. This is a world wide phenomena, not really disputed as far as I am aware. Thanks for clarifying that, so based on your undisputed theory, the anglo culture hasn't developed very much from its convict origins in the 1700s................that would explain alot
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+x+x+x+x+xSaw online in a NPL Facebook group that both clubs will play their remaining home games this season behind closed doors. As a supporter of a sister club of Sydney United, I'm disappointed in them for getting involved in an incident like this. I don't know everything that has gone on, so I'm not going to go too in depth with it, but it's an incident like this that makes a NSD a much harder proposition. As a club that's been looking to be involved with a NSD, I would've expected the SU58 fans to realize the consequences of their actions in the grand scheme of things, but alas... there wasn't much thinking going on it would appear. The shame about an incident like this is that it gives all the people who want to s*** on ethnic clubs another reason to. We're all thrown under the bus, rather than the few individuals that have caused the problems. For me: life bans are in order, and I'd say the same if it was Melbourne Knights fans in the spotlight too. We don't want people like that at our grounds, we want an environment that our entire community can come out to and enjoy. Some of the comments in this thread have been extremely disappointing to see, and some of them no surprise at all when you see who the poster is. What I will say is that a lot of ethnic clubs have moved on, and are far more inclusive now than they were in the old days. Look through the teamsheets, look at who shows up on matchdays in the stands, and so on. At Knights, we're still extremely proud of our ties to the Croatian community, but we're not a closed shop: anyone can support the club, and anyone can play for the club. Some of you are still stuck in the past, whilst claiming that we need to move on... Very well said. I am not shit stirring - genuinely wondering - do fans still chant Cro-Ah-Tzee-A (apologies for spelling - only way I could sound it out) at games? My only experience with Croatian teams was the NSL and that forever rings in my ears. I have stayed away from any Croatian games since then because I felt like an outsider. I would be happy to reset my expectations if it has changed. Yeah, we do. It still rings around just after we score goals, and it can get pretty loud at times. It's not a chant designed to intimidate, or at least it isn't anymore :) Personally, I'm not Croatian, but that hasn't stopped me from becoming a Knights fans. I grew disinterested with Australian football at a professional level around 2016, and dropped down to NPL football, where my enjoyment of Australian football was rekindled. It's been a roller-coaster since then, but I've really enjoyed it. I'm based interstate atm, so I can't get to Somers St unfortunately, but I still manage to catch our games every week via a stream on the NPL Victoria Facebook page, and there's a great show on FNR called 'The Knight Train' that is broadcast every Monday where they discuss everything Melbourne Knights related. My loss right? But I wouldn't go and watch any team chanting 'croatia' at a game anywhere in Australia unless they were playing Croatia. You can say it's inclusive all you like, and it probably is, but Joe average is not turning up to watch that and neither am I. Call me a white Anglo skip or some other bullshit but my dad was Croatian and that's how I feel about it. I say this as someone who's travelled multiple times to Croatia. I doubt I'm alone. The Australian National team coach certainly looks included in the image below: Would they hold him high if he was from Belgrade?
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+x+x+xIncoming rant. One thing I'm sure we can agree is the media is ready to jump on any incident that negatively involves football. The media does not hold any different prejudice to the aleague or the nsl. Secondly I'm also sure that we can agree that there are incidents like this that have occurred in the nsl and the aleague. And both leagues have had their fair share of incidents like this or worse than this. Going back to the first point, like us all, the media will determine the degree of seriousness the incident carries however with a very important difference. Agenda. Pro nsl and pro aleague supporters have their agendas to defend their views. Generally both try to under play incidents like this by either saying the other is the greater of two evils or at the very least the same. The problem is through this we as a football community get lost in this debate instead of saying this is not acceptable in any league. The media however picks what will inflame the biggest response and will hit the sport as hard as possible. From the media's perspective this almost had it all. Altercation at a local sporting ground, fighting, weapons and nationalistic and political stances on display. From watching the video this is fact and is undeniable. If an incident at the football gets picked up by the media it isn't a good thing for the sport. Where this incident goes beyond the typical football fight etc. is the nationalistic and political behaviors of the groups involved. No one can ignore that for the media this is like the cherry on top. Our issue is we would rather defend our own league blindly rather than coming together and saying this is wrong. On any level or any league this is wrong. Many posters here have been defending their views without once acknowledging that the behavior is not acceptable. This is why the sport here will never progress. We'd rather fight amongst ourselves than against the real problem. Stand up against the ones that do the sport harm like these supporters and the media. Not ALL media mate. Lucy's excellent piece shows that SBS, as always, defends soccer in this country whereas Rugari and his minions used this incident as an excuse to bash the ethnic side of the game... Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. This so called "soccer people" are so keen to make sure that they closed shop doesnt get threatened that they will do ANYTHING to bring it down... https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/npl-fracas-indefensible-but-not-racially-motivated Her sterling defence of Staj in the Matildas debacle was commendable and really shows her support for soccer in this country. As for the current situation, Lucy, like the majority of journalists , appear to defend her bias and not the actual events. If only you knew what she knew. I agree the APL sycophants have a hugely biased take on anything to do with Australian soccer that doesn't relate to the Super League. The rest of the football world is trying to "defend the sport" https://www.soccerscene.com.au/never-assume-ethnicity-is-the-problem-without-addressing-the-behaviour/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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+x+x+x+x+x+xSaw online in a NPL Facebook group that both clubs will play their remaining home games this season behind closed doors. As a supporter of a sister club of Sydney United, I'm disappointed in them for getting involved in an incident like this. I don't know everything that has gone on, so I'm not going to go too in depth with it, but it's an incident like this that makes a NSD a much harder proposition. As a club that's been looking to be involved with a NSD, I would've expected the SU58 fans to realize the consequences of their actions in the grand scheme of things, but alas... there wasn't much thinking going on it would appear. The shame about an incident like this is that it gives all the people who want to s*** on ethnic clubs another reason to. We're all thrown under the bus, rather than the few individuals that have caused the problems. For me: life bans are in order, and I'd say the same if it was Melbourne Knights fans in the spotlight too. We don't want people like that at our grounds, we want an environment that our entire community can come out to and enjoy. Some of the comments in this thread have been extremely disappointing to see, and some of them no surprise at all when you see who the poster is. What I will say is that a lot of ethnic clubs have moved on, and are far more inclusive now than they were in the old days. Look through the teamsheets, look at who shows up on matchdays in the stands, and so on. At Knights, we're still extremely proud of our ties to the Croatian community, but we're not a closed shop: anyone can support the club, and anyone can play for the club. Some of you are still stuck in the past, whilst claiming that we need to move on... Very well said. I am not shit stirring - genuinely wondering - do fans still chant Cro-Ah-Tzee-A (apologies for spelling - only way I could sound it out) at games? My only experience with Croatian teams was the NSL and that forever rings in my ears. I have stayed away from any Croatian games since then because I felt like an outsider. I would be happy to reset my expectations if it has changed. Yeah, we do. It still rings around just after we score goals, and it can get pretty loud at times. It's not a chant designed to intimidate, or at least it isn't anymore :) Personally, I'm not Croatian, but that hasn't stopped me from becoming a Knights fans. I grew disinterested with Australian football at a professional level around 2016, and dropped down to NPL football, where my enjoyment of Australian football was rekindled. It's been a roller-coaster since then, but I've really enjoyed it. I'm based interstate atm, so I can't get to Somers St unfortunately, but I still manage to catch our games every week via a stream on the NPL Victoria Facebook page, and there's a great show on FNR called 'The Knight Train' that is broadcast every Monday where they discuss everything Melbourne Knights related. My loss right? But I wouldn't go and watch any team chanting 'croatia' at a game anywhere in Australia unless they were playing Croatia. You can say it's inclusive all you like, and it probably is, but Joe average is not turning up to watch that and neither am I. Call me a white Anglo skip or some other bullshit but my dad was Croatian and that's how I feel about it. I say this as someone who's travelled multiple times to Croatia. I doubt I'm alone. The Australian National team coach certainly looks included in the image below: Would they hold him high if he was from Belgrade? Be pretty hard to carry him... Those 6foot Serbs are all built like brick shithouses 🤣🤣
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+xWho'd have thought that football violence was so complicated? :w00t::laugh::hehe: Football violence is football violence no matter how you look at it. only in australia do we complicate it pending who's involved. here we have two clubs from the NPL in a fight, and somehow the queen is involved for roman saluting in the 1930's lol. let's see if there is any problems in the AL derby this weekend and i'm sure if there is, it's only 1 or 2 bad eggs. lol
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSaw online in a NPL Facebook group that both clubs will play their remaining home games this season behind closed doors. As a supporter of a sister club of Sydney United, I'm disappointed in them for getting involved in an incident like this. I don't know everything that has gone on, so I'm not going to go too in depth with it, but it's an incident like this that makes a NSD a much harder proposition. As a club that's been looking to be involved with a NSD, I would've expected the SU58 fans to realize the consequences of their actions in the grand scheme of things, but alas... there wasn't much thinking going on it would appear. The shame about an incident like this is that it gives all the people who want to s*** on ethnic clubs another reason to. We're all thrown under the bus, rather than the few individuals that have caused the problems. For me: life bans are in order, and I'd say the same if it was Melbourne Knights fans in the spotlight too. We don't want people like that at our grounds, we want an environment that our entire community can come out to and enjoy. Some of the comments in this thread have been extremely disappointing to see, and some of them no surprise at all when you see who the poster is. What I will say is that a lot of ethnic clubs have moved on, and are far more inclusive now than they were in the old days. Look through the teamsheets, look at who shows up on matchdays in the stands, and so on. At Knights, we're still extremely proud of our ties to the Croatian community, but we're not a closed shop: anyone can support the club, and anyone can play for the club. Some of you are still stuck in the past, whilst claiming that we need to move on... Very well said. I am not shit stirring - genuinely wondering - do fans still chant Cro-Ah-Tzee-A (apologies for spelling - only way I could sound it out) at games? My only experience with Croatian teams was the NSL and that forever rings in my ears. I have stayed away from any Croatian games since then because I felt like an outsider. I would be happy to reset my expectations if it has changed. Yeah, we do. It still rings around just after we score goals, and it can get pretty loud at times. It's not a chant designed to intimidate, or at least it isn't anymore :) Personally, I'm not Croatian, but that hasn't stopped me from becoming a Knights fans. I grew disinterested with Australian football at a professional level around 2016, and dropped down to NPL football, where my enjoyment of Australian football was rekindled. It's been a roller-coaster since then, but I've really enjoyed it. I'm based interstate atm, so I can't get to Somers St unfortunately, but I still manage to catch our games every week via a stream on the NPL Victoria Facebook page, and there's a great show on FNR called 'The Knight Train' that is broadcast every Monday where they discuss everything Melbourne Knights related. My loss right? But I wouldn't go and watch any team chanting 'croatia' at a game anywhere in Australia unless they were playing Croatia. You can say it's inclusive all you like, and it probably is, but Joe average is not turning up to watch that and neither am I. Call me a white Anglo skip or some other bullshit but my dad was Croatian and that's how I feel about it. I say this as someone who's travelled multiple times to Croatia. I doubt I'm alone. The Australian National team coach certainly looks included in the image below: Would they hold him high if he was from Belgrade? Be pretty hard to carry him... Those 6foot Serbs are all built like brick shithouses 🤣🤣 😂😂😂 indeed
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+x+xWho'd have thought that football violence was so complicated? :w00t::laugh::hehe: Football violence is football violence no matter how you look at it. only in australia do we complicate it pending who's involved. here we have two clubs from the NPL in a fight, and somehow the queen is involved for roman saluting in the 1930's lol. let's see if there is any problems in the AL derby this weekend and i'm sure if there is, it's only 1 or 2 bad eggs. lol Agree with this. It doesn't matter who is involved or where they come from. Violence can't be accepted. What's your stance on Nazi salutes and nationalistic views being chanted at a local ground in Australia? Agree, disagree?
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+x+x+x+x+xSaw online in a NPL Facebook group that both clubs will play their remaining home games this season behind closed doors. As a supporter of a sister club of Sydney United, I'm disappointed in them for getting involved in an incident like this. I don't know everything that has gone on, so I'm not going to go too in depth with it, but it's an incident like this that makes a NSD a much harder proposition. As a club that's been looking to be involved with a NSD, I would've expected the SU58 fans to realize the consequences of their actions in the grand scheme of things, but alas... there wasn't much thinking going on it would appear. The shame about an incident like this is that it gives all the people who want to s*** on ethnic clubs another reason to. We're all thrown under the bus, rather than the few individuals that have caused the problems. For me: life bans are in order, and I'd say the same if it was Melbourne Knights fans in the spotlight too. We don't want people like that at our grounds, we want an environment that our entire community can come out to and enjoy. Some of the comments in this thread have been extremely disappointing to see, and some of them no surprise at all when you see who the poster is. What I will say is that a lot of ethnic clubs have moved on, and are far more inclusive now than they were in the old days. Look through the teamsheets, look at who shows up on matchdays in the stands, and so on. At Knights, we're still extremely proud of our ties to the Croatian community, but we're not a closed shop: anyone can support the club, and anyone can play for the club. Some of you are still stuck in the past, whilst claiming that we need to move on... Very well said. I am not shit stirring - genuinely wondering - do fans still chant Cro-Ah-Tzee-A (apologies for spelling - only way I could sound it out) at games? My only experience with Croatian teams was the NSL and that forever rings in my ears. I have stayed away from any Croatian games since then because I felt like an outsider. I would be happy to reset my expectations if it has changed. Yeah, we do. It still rings around just after we score goals, and it can get pretty loud at times. It's not a chant designed to intimidate, or at least it isn't anymore :) Personally, I'm not Croatian, but that hasn't stopped me from becoming a Knights fans. I grew disinterested with Australian football at a professional level around 2016, and dropped down to NPL football, where my enjoyment of Australian football was rekindled. It's been a roller-coaster since then, but I've really enjoyed it. I'm based interstate atm, so I can't get to Somers St unfortunately, but I still manage to catch our games every week via a stream on the NPL Victoria Facebook page, and there's a great show on FNR called 'The Knight Train' that is broadcast every Monday where they discuss everything Melbourne Knights related. My loss right? But I wouldn't go and watch any team chanting 'croatia' at a game anywhere in Australia unless they were playing Croatia. You can say it's inclusive all you like, and it probably is, but Joe average is not turning up to watch that and neither am I. Call me a white Anglo skip or some other bullshit but my dad was Croatian and that's how I feel about it. I say this as someone who's travelled multiple times to Croatia. I doubt I'm alone. The Australian National team coach certainly looks included in the image below: I wasn't talking about him. I'm talking about me and blokes like me. Mouth all the same inanities such as 'inclusion' and 'diversity' and 'community' all you like. I'm just saying, and I get I'm not everyone, I'm not interested in going to a club where the vast majority of supporters are Croatians or Greeks or Macedonians or Calathumpians. Even the NSL recognised it years ago that they needed to throw off the ethnic 'badges' to broaden their appeal. But yeah, keep on blaming Lowy , the Crawford report and the FFA. And by the way regards that photo. If you didn't know that was Arnold you'd think that was taken in Croatia not Australia so I fail to see how shooting yourself in the foot proves any sort of point at all.
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Monoethnic Social Club
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Group: Forum Members
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+x+x+x+x+x+xSaw online in a NPL Facebook group that both clubs will play their remaining home games this season behind closed doors. As a supporter of a sister club of Sydney United, I'm disappointed in them for getting involved in an incident like this. I don't know everything that has gone on, so I'm not going to go too in depth with it, but it's an incident like this that makes a NSD a much harder proposition. As a club that's been looking to be involved with a NSD, I would've expected the SU58 fans to realize the consequences of their actions in the grand scheme of things, but alas... there wasn't much thinking going on it would appear. The shame about an incident like this is that it gives all the people who want to s*** on ethnic clubs another reason to. We're all thrown under the bus, rather than the few individuals that have caused the problems. For me: life bans are in order, and I'd say the same if it was Melbourne Knights fans in the spotlight too. We don't want people like that at our grounds, we want an environment that our entire community can come out to and enjoy. Some of the comments in this thread have been extremely disappointing to see, and some of them no surprise at all when you see who the poster is. What I will say is that a lot of ethnic clubs have moved on, and are far more inclusive now than they were in the old days. Look through the teamsheets, look at who shows up on matchdays in the stands, and so on. At Knights, we're still extremely proud of our ties to the Croatian community, but we're not a closed shop: anyone can support the club, and anyone can play for the club. Some of you are still stuck in the past, whilst claiming that we need to move on... Very well said. I am not shit stirring - genuinely wondering - do fans still chant Cro-Ah-Tzee-A (apologies for spelling - only way I could sound it out) at games? My only experience with Croatian teams was the NSL and that forever rings in my ears. I have stayed away from any Croatian games since then because I felt like an outsider. I would be happy to reset my expectations if it has changed. Yeah, we do. It still rings around just after we score goals, and it can get pretty loud at times. It's not a chant designed to intimidate, or at least it isn't anymore :) Personally, I'm not Croatian, but that hasn't stopped me from becoming a Knights fans. I grew disinterested with Australian football at a professional level around 2016, and dropped down to NPL football, where my enjoyment of Australian football was rekindled. It's been a roller-coaster since then, but I've really enjoyed it. I'm based interstate atm, so I can't get to Somers St unfortunately, but I still manage to catch our games every week via a stream on the NPL Victoria Facebook page, and there's a great show on FNR called 'The Knight Train' that is broadcast every Monday where they discuss everything Melbourne Knights related. My loss right? But I wouldn't go and watch any team chanting 'croatia' at a game anywhere in Australia unless they were playing Croatia. You can say it's inclusive all you like, and it probably is, but Joe average is not turning up to watch that and neither am I. Call me a white Anglo skip or some other bullshit but my dad was Croatian and that's how I feel about it. I say this as someone who's travelled multiple times to Croatia. I doubt I'm alone. The Australian National team coach certainly looks included in the image below: I wasn't talking about him. I'm talking about me and blokes like me. Mouth all the same inanities such as 'inclusion' and 'diversity' and 'community' all you like. I'm just saying, and I get I'm not everyone, I'm not interested in going to a club where the vast majority of supporters are Croatians or Greeks or Macedonians or Calathumpians. Even the NSL recognised it years ago that they needed to throw off the ethnic 'badges' to broaden their appeal. But yeah, keep on blaming Lowy , the Crawford report and the FFA. And by the way regards that photo. If you didn't know that was Arnold you'd think that was taken in Croatia not Australia so I fail to see how shooting yourself in the foot proves any sort of point at all. These ethnic "badges" that so offend you where "thrown" off well before Lowy and even the Crawford report, but if words like inclusion and community are inanities to you well OK then, nothing much I can say to dissuade you. There are 11 franchises in Australia you can throw your support behind without worrying about being around too many of one type of Australian... its your choice thats my point, as it is our choice to congregate in whatever number we want and celebrate this wonderful multicultural country we call home. You see a flag that offends you in the photo, I see a child of a migrant Maltese family being carried on the shoulders of a crowd of Croatian Australians.
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