Its irrelevant who wrote the story.A lot of the points are valid.

Correct.

😀 So are you saying privileged NPL clubs should get a free pass into a second division?Like a closed second league.Do you understand hypocrisy?

Janakan is a well know liar, the bloke stat pumps Preston attendances on A-league facebook groups with him claiming even the U16's are paying for their tickets, just a sad lonely man. I feel bad for him.

Janakan Seemampillai - or - Frank Brunoskevic

is probably responsible for half the cancerous bitter multi's that have dragged this forum into the shit over the years...


has anyone figured out which account/s belong to him yet?

Absolutely NOT.... I would HATE a closed NSD ... I want, what I think most want, a national league linked via promotion and relegation to each individual states NPL system, which in turn has promotion and relegation all they way down the chain to state and district leagues.....
No free passes for anyone. In fact like Ive said before I would be more than happy for next season to be a qualifying season of sorts for the NPL1s of each state to determine which clubs make up the inaugural NSD....
No privilege, no bullshit, no rich owners who don't even know the offside rule and "manage the club" from a boardroom overseas ..... pure, merit driven soccer. It is the ONLY way we will EVER thrive as a nation.
And before you ask (which I know you will) If South Melbourne DON"T get in in the first year I couldn't care less... As long as we are able to win our way up Ill be as happy as a pig in shit.

Never personal Josh. Respect your opinions man, just like I do those of most people.... I argue against them because I disagree, all good.
I don't know what the end game with this article was but it was a piss poor move by "whoever is behind it" is all I am saying.. 
There are hundreds of reasons you could argue against a second division, some of them quite valid, but this article was just garbage.

Would anyone in the industry make up a Slavic name on purpose to make some sort of point in a football article they put their name to?
I have to agree with others, someone else is behind this, and the writer concerned, who clearly isn't au fait with our football history, has been sucked in by it.
Otherwise, you'd have to be the stupidest person in Australia to make up such a name and think that no one would ever notice.

If you are as altruistic as you say,then so be it.My opinion is that will never work.Because it never has worked and the vast majority of small clubs financially just cant afford to take the step up.So ,if for example Wynumm Wombats and   Mt Isa Drovers  somehow finish top of a QLD playoff,they will just say..Sorry ,we cant afford the time or money to go into a 2nd Div.Same happens for Lismore Bogans , Albany Melonheads and Davenport Penguins.
These clubs are small because they appeal to a small community and  cant generate sufficient revenue .
Default to Sydney and Melb  suburban and ethnic teams making up a second Division.A truly non representative group.But best of the the small clubs.

Thats why you need new teams representing regions much like A-League clubs……..Thats why A- League started out so well…..So you need to create regional teams for a second division.Canberra,Wolongong,Tasmania,North Queensland,South Brisbane,North Adelaide,etc.etc..

One thing I agree with here is that something needs to be done for integrating regional centres into the league structure, because at the moment virtually all the state leagues are glorified suburban comps. Here is a list of all regional NPL clubs outside of Tasmania:

Wollongong Wolves
Gold Coast United
Gold Coast Knights
Sunshine Coast Wanderers
Mackay Magpies Crusaders United
Cooma FC

And that's about it. Even of that list, four out of six could be considered part of greater metro areas (Wollongong, Gold Coast, Sunshine Coast). There's no Geelong, Ballarat, Bendigo, Albury, Latrobe Valley, Townsville, Cairns, Rockhampton, Coffs Harbour, Bunbury, etc., even though these areas all have the population to support at least a semi-pro club at state league level. Some of the places did have teams but they either tanked performance-wise or pulled out due to bankruptcy, presumably due to high travel costs and logistical challenges. It means that promising players in these regions are either stuck in district-level football or they have to move to the state capital to get competitive game time.

Really what the FFA should do is set up a regional football fund that could ensure clubs in these areas are sustainable by subsidising travel costs and improving facilities. If you end up with a full pyramid you could even have the fairy-tale of a Tamworth or a Rockhampton reaching the A-League, which might be bad for short-term "metrics" but would then give the whole country inspiration to invest in the game and do the same.

This is a bloody good idea. You may think I'm an imbecile but I think your proposal has some merit.  I agree facilities footprint with government support in regional areas is vital. Down here in VIC Geelong is on the way and Shepparton and Ballarat already have decent facilities.. GB Suns are doing very well in Shepp and growing into a fantastic little club with great community ties, and developing Aleague level players btw... Geelong soccer is alive and thriving but I don't know much about Ballarat after they where brought into the NPL system and subsequently dropped out.  Link the whole schmooze together and some very small clubs may just surprise everyone..
https://www.soccerscene.com.au/geelong-regional-soccer-centre-a-step-closer-to-reality/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Its not altruism at all I assure you. For me it's South Melbourne Hellas above everything (club over country is  not even a debate for me) I want us to be competing at the highest possible level a club can both nationally and internationally and to win every single piece of silverware on offer, every season, playing beautiful, entertaining, attacking football. I don't know if you have ever felt the same way about a club but there it is.
I also want everyone in Australia to worship soccer as much as I do, yes I want the Socceroos to win every single tournament they enter and I believe, truly,  that the best way to improve our playing stocks is for an all inclusive pyramid, for all levels in the country and no more us vs them division.
Saying it can't be done because it has never been done before is a cop out. What we have now is shit... Maybe not as shit as the NSL was but still shit. You call for regional representation and not just ethnic, OK, but pretty much every regional area has an existing club.. why not throw your support behind them? I don't get the insistence on geographic spread and district associations being the main driver of player development when it has been proven over and over again in the rest of the world that a club based pyramid pushes talent up from the base and trickles funds from the top going on a perpetual loop and growing stronger and more efficient over time. 
To use your examples, more Lismore Bogans and Melonheads FC at the bottom of the pyramid pushing themselves to do better and get promoted, the better that competition becomes, and therefore the better the players, the coaches, the administrators, the referees in that league, the linos etc etc... this being a competitive league pushes the league above it (Lets say  NPL2) to be better still, The Dubbo Dongers FC are struggling in this league and  can buy a player or two from Lismore if they are good, and try to stay up. They will have to make sure that their club, players, facilities, admin, physios etc etc are at a better level to anyone  else in NPL2 otherwise they may get relegated and Frank Brunoskevic Accounting Pty Ltd their major sponsor may back out so they do whatever they can to stay up. Thus pushing the next rung up the ladder NPL1 and then in to NSD and then maybe one day.......if a miracle of miracles happens, the Aleague.... Think about Sydney FC paying $100,000 transfer fee to Marconi for their best player. Marconi then has the funds to go to Dubbo Dongers and offer them $50,000, for their young goalkeeper and striker... Dubbo says, no worries and goes to the Bogans and buys 3/4 of their squad.... OK the figures are laughable but I hope you get the point... Money travels down, talent travels up,and let the clubs themselves figure out which level they want and can afford to play in. There are some pretty passionate club volunteers out there, QLD is getting full pro/rel soon, VIC has had it for a while and I believe  all the other states are on the way. Let's get this NSD up and running and I promise you, the last thing you will have to worry about is the f#cken ethnic NSL clubs, well be too busy trying to compete in this new cuthroat world...
Shit sorry went on a rant again, f#cken lockdown means no Lakeside and too many Friday night beers at home.

More tragic than whatever stupid process led to this article being written and published, are the people who see any value in the article's so-called analysis. It purports to be the considered professional opinion of a leading economist, but is nothing more than the same generic anti-NSD rhetoric you can read anywhere in Australian soccer's online sphere. You'd think a "leading economist" would offer a critique that's far more detailed than "players need more games", "need to sell players", and "there's a big financial gap between A-League teams and NPL teams". I'd also say that Australian soccer fans deserve better, but since so many are willing to give in to confirmation bias, the truth is that we probably don't.

The 32 clubs backing a NSD have CLEARLY indicated that they would be definitely viable in such a competition, why is this still debated? There is nothing to talk about except the FA/ Aust Procrastination League to bring it in. 

Yeah but an NSL legend who happens to also be a world renowned economist and, from what I hear, a generous and tender lover, claims that ethnic NSL clubs are bad and can't afford it... Nothing else needs to be said... 

Just because Frankston Herzegovina says they're ready to participate in an NSD, doesn't mean they actually are. It could be wishful thinking on their part, or not wanting to miss out, or delusions of grandeur. You need to actually ensure the financials stack up before launching into it. The AAFC paper had a lot on the potential costs (with a model that is essentially NPL + travel costs) but very little on where revenue is going to come from. I would love it if thousands of ex-fans started coming back to watch South Melbourne, APIA, Adelaide City et al in a second division, but I'm not hugely optimistic this will be the case. A lot of the old NSL fans have died, for a start, and their kids don't have the same ties to these clubs that the older generation did.

Frankston Herzegovina?? HAHAHAHAHAHA maybe that is where old Frank Brunoskevic really played? hahahahahha  What a shambles soccer in this country really is... clubs literally have to beg for the creation of a national league and the cartel members, running out of excuses, have to rely on make believe economists to prove why it can't... Its a tragedy, seriously something to cry your eyes out over.... but f#ck me if it isn't soooo funny. 

So does that include your club as well?
If they say they are ready, there is nothing more to keep going over! Either there is a 2nd div or not. Most people want it.

Im not sure mate, sorry I dont have an economics degree.
Speaking to various board members over the last 3-4 months I am confident we have the funds and the ability to generate the required revenue to keep us going, but if the APL don't think we can, well we can all see how amazing that little experiment is proving to be????

Like any new project its one step at a time.
In saying that the 32 Clubs have been advised what the cost reports have shown to be part of the NSD otherwise why put your hat in the ring.
Sure some have wishful thinking but they'll be found out easy enough.
Some may struggle gaining the sponsership funding and improving their grounds so in the end they'd be excluded.
From 32 there will be 16 viable Clubs to get the NSD to koff time.
I don't get all the negative towards this.
Its what our League needs for the better of the game period.

Again we go back to validity, genuine assessment and analytical authenticity by the author and the expert.

The comments made by both demonstrate a lack of knowledge of the AAFC report, with its analysis and stratergy, in other words they haven't read it, therfore they are making biased assumptions.

So lets look at Mr Brunoskevic's claims:
  FIGURES FOR A NSD DON’T STACK UP
  FUNDING SOURCES FOR NSD CLUBS QUESTIONABLE– IN A FULL TIME PRO ENVIRONMENT
  WELL ESTABLISHED AL TEAMS STRUGGLE FINANCIALLY – EVEN WITH BLUE CHIP SPONSORS AND WEALTHY OWNERS
  NPL CLUBS RELYING ON – CANTEEN LOCAL SPONSORS AND BENEFACTORS WILL STRUGGLE
  GROW THE AL TO 20 CLUBS – FULL H & A SEASON – WE DON’T PLAY ENOUGH GAMES
  TRANSFER SYSTEM IS A GOOD IDEA FOR AL MAKE MORE MONEY SELLING PLAYERS OVERSEAS
  NSD WONT ATTRACT THE TV REVENUES A-LEAGUE DOES
  EVEN WITH STRUGGLING AL - MEDIA WILLING TO INVEST $200MILL
  NSD WON’T ATTRACT MILLIONS IN MEDIA REVENUE – AAFC REPORTS MODEST $300K-$500K STREAMING
  NSD WON’T ATTRACT CROWDS
  WHY HAVE A NSD IF THEY WILL NEVER COMPETE WITH AL TEAMS?
  CLAIMS WE DIDN’T HAVE P/R DURING NSL EVEN THOUGH 42 CLUBS PARTICIPATED IN NSL
  ONLY DEMONSTRATES THAT CLUBS FAILED FINANCIALLY
  WHEN THEY DROPPED THEY WENT FURTHER DOWN THE PYRAMID DUE TO FINANCIAL IRRESPONSIBILITY

Many of these claims have been made under false assumptions and little analysis.
Let me start off with one key fact of Football the World over, Football Clubs do NOT make PROFIT.
It is only a handful of Clubs that make returns for their owners in the World. And they are mostly top tier (Brand Clubs) in England.
Further to this its very sad that the Owners of AL franchises were sold a furphy that they would make a fortune in the Australian Game.
I expect they never will, but this drives much of the narrative in Australian Soccer, many decisions and views of FA Board members ae made on this guilt (for want of a better word) factor. There is a strong view that they want to protect the owners investment and provide them a return on investment.
As I'm at work on lunch I will rejoin later tonight and go through Mr Brunoskevic's points and then provide a reply to what is SCTUALLY being proposed for a NSD.

here here Arthur, look forward to your posting compared to some in here.
Hope Joffa feels to get active again one day soon as well.

What is a Frankston Maco? There are 32 clubs that will form multiple divisions, or just 12-16 teams with only one division. Either way, everyone wants 2nd division then they don't want to take the opportunity, wtf?

Looking forward to it Arthur, I would love some clarity from someone NOT looking to trivialise the debate by fabricating sources.

Who mentioned Frankston Maco??? You do know that Bosnia-Herzegovina and FYROM are two distinct countries right? They may both have a huge Albanian population and be in the Balkans but apart from that the similarities end.... WTF are you on about?
And who isn't, in your mind, taking the "opportunity"? There is no "opportunity" to join a second division as there is no second division to join....... Everyone DOESNT want one either, some people go as far as making up fairy tales to prove how much they dont want it.

So lets look at Mr Brunoskevic's claims:
FIGURES FOR A NSD DON’T STACK UP
Just assumptions based on no hard evidence just a guess, no analysis on what funding is required for a full-time environment and doesn't set out what is required to meet a full-time environment
FUNDING SOURCES FOR NSD CLUBS QUESTIONABLE– IN A FULL TIME PRO ENVIRONMENT
Makes the assumption that all NPL clubs are the same, also makes the assumption that no new Clubs, or existing Clubs partnering up will occur. The basic assumption is that the Clubs rely heavily on their communities.
This though would not be unusual as Member based Clubs they rely on their supporter Communities for funding. This funding though in many cases is not insignificant, Oakleigh Cannons regurlarly generates $250K (at their shirt presentation night-added after), South Melbourne has a sponsorship pool of $700K plus, these are not insignificant amounts as examples, at the current NPL level, not a National Level.
There is also an assumption of no GROWTH by being on a National Platform, being on a National Platform with the future potential for promotion to the First Tier and National exposure. Further to this SMFC bid for the AL attracted new investors that were dormant due to the NPL ceiling, for example the Pelligra Group with $2billion in real estate assets was attracted to invest the bid. These are the subtle differences that a a National Platform along with Promotion and Relegation bring.
WELL ESTABLISHED AL TEAMS STRUGGLE FINANCIALLY – EVEN WITH BLUE CHIP SPONSORS AND WEALTHY OWNERS
As pointed out, not many Football Clubs in the WORLD make profit. The AL corporate structure requires the Franchises to be for Profit Company's. If member based Clubs make loses it doesn't matter so much, thats not their function (to make profits).
And this has consequences, AL franchises were'nt expected to have WL sides or Academies in 2005. Just a Senior mens team. As further requirements came in, so to further protections were promised to them. 
But so to were NPL expected to produce the next generation of Socceroos and Matildas, until everyone went about changing it, but keeping misleading labels.
NPL CLUBS RELYING ON – CANTEEN LOCAL SPONSORS AND BENEFACTORS WILL STRUGGLE
This alone presents a disingenuous view of were revenues come from at many NPL Clubs, with a NSD budget in year 1 ranging from a minimum ranging from $1,050,000 to $1,800,000 income would be based on the following:
Gate Receipts
Catering Revenues
Sponsorships
Memberships
Match Day President Luncheons
Shirt Presentation Nights
Presentation Night
Business Coterie Groups
Merchandising
Transfer Market
Amounts not insignificant, but achievable when many NPL Clubs have already declared the football operations budgets at $500,000 to $850,000 already
GROW THE AL TO 20 CLUBS – FULL H & A SEASON – WE DON’T PLAY ENOUGH GAMES
No problem with that, and nothing really hindering this, even if a NSD gets up. And seriously whats wrong with having more than 20 strong Clubs? Whats wrong with having 32 or 36 or more strong Clubs investing in players and Football Infrastructure?
Some people need to think outside the circle.
TRANSFER SYSTEM IS A GOOD IDEA FOR AL MAKE MORE MONEY SELLING PLAYERS OVERSEAS
For the last 16 years there has been nothing stopping AL franchises from selling players overseas!
JJ has merely refocused the AL that this has more potential than what they realised.
The Transfer System being developed is more about an internal Australian Transfer System. let me say that again, AN INTERNAL AUSTRALIAN TRANSFER SYSTEM. With player compensation, that should fuel investment in player development right through the game. Just as a NSD will as these Clubs seek local talent to sell on to the AL or overseas teams.
What a novel idea! (I say sarcastically)
NSD WONT ATTRACT THE TV REVENUES A-LEAGUE DOES
No it won't, this is a given the WORLD OVER, no 2Div or 3Div generates the same TV revenues the First Division does, this is accepted. 
EVEN WITH STRUGGLING AL - MEDIA WILLING TO INVEST $200MILL
And what a great outcome for the AL, but its like saying why doesn't the AL get as much as the EPL, or La Liga etc etc
NSD WON’T ATTRACT MILLIONS IN MEDIA REVENUE – AAFC REPORTS MODEST $300K-$500K STREAMING
AGAIN no 2Div in the WORLD gets near their 1Div in revenues.
The AAFC has allowed for a $300K-$500K income stream for streaming. Currently Victoria receives $440K for streaming its NPL and NPLW, so its not an outlandish figure just conservative and achievable.
Lets not forget the AL starting point, NO TV REVENUES.
NSD WON’T ATTRACT CROWDS
As with TV revenue for a 2Div, no 2Div attracts the same crowds as its 1Div, this is a given. The assumption is NSD Crowds = NPL Crowds.
There's a difference when a Club like Heidelberg plays Eastern Lions (no disrespect to EL) in the NPL to when they may play an Adelaide City or a Sydney Utd, or who knows a Team 11 (who have expressed interest in a NSD).
WHY HAVE A NSD IF THEY WILL NEVER COMPETE WITH AL TEAMS?
Never is a big word, but without a NSD we won't be able to firstly attempt to "close" the gap and secondly we won't have the platform to create more government investment in football infrastructure, such as boutique stadia and training facilities. This will not only have an effect on the NSD Clubs demanding better facilities from Government, but also to those aspiring to be promoted to a NSD from the NPL for demanding better government investment in facilities.
Again LETS NOT FORGET THE AL STARTING POINT.
CLAIMS WE DIDN’T HAVE P/R DURING NSL EVEN THOUGH 42 CLUBS PARTICIPATED IN NSL
We did, we sort of, we didn't. A mix match of policy with no clear direction from the controlling body. The Bradley Report signaling the end of PR nationally, and possibly the end of the NSL.
ONLY DEMONSTRATES THAT CLUBS FAILED FINANCIALLY
Here are the Clubs that no longer exist that played in the NSL:

Canberra City

Canberra Cosmos

Carlton

Collingwood Warriors

Football Kingz

Footscray JUST

Morwell Falcons

Newcastle Breakers

Newcastle KB United

Newcastle Rosebud United

Northern Spirit

Parramatta Power

Penrith City

St George Saints

Western Suburbs

Thats 15 of the 42, of those 15, 11 were start up entities. and 4 "traditional" Clubs.
WHEN THEY DROPPED THEY WENT FURTHER DOWN THE PYRAMID DUE TO FINANCIAL IRRESPONSIBILITY

Adelaide United

APIA Leichhardt

Blacktown City

Brisbane City

Brisbane Lions

Brisbane Strikers

Brunswick Juventus

Canterbury-Marrickville

Green Gully

Heidelberg United

Inter Monaro

Marconi

Melbourne Knights

Mooroolbark

Newcastle United

Parramatta Eagles

Perth Glory

Preston Lions

South Melbourne

Sunshine George Cross

Sydney City

Sydney Olympic

Sydney United

West Adelaide

Wollongong Macedonia

Wollongong Wolves

Most are in their NPL1 competitions and 3 now compete in the AL.
Some play lower. Shit happens with promotion and relegation, like you get punished for failure. Failure like not having good governance and financials, or God forbid losing too many games. There are consequences and rewards.
Ask Sunderland? 

Well said Arthur, thanks for the detailed response. 
Another point to add is that a number of those potential NSD clubs own their own grounds and some have very lucrative social clubs (Knights and Marconi come to mind off the top of my head but I'm sure there are more). Those that lease grounds typically have very affordable rates and have much less match day burden when compared to AL clubs. 

http://www.australianfootballclubs.org.au/uploads/9/8/8/1/9881717/20210118_aafc_nsd_progress_report_final.pdf
https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/fifa-comparative-analysis-of-second-and-third-divisions.pdf
So what is the AAFC proposal in summary point form:

Start 2023
12 Clubs selected based on commercial viability
Clubs are prepared to meet the costs of the League, cost neutral for FA
Facilities to meet FFA Cup criteria (If anyone is involved with a Club that has played FFA Cup they will know what this is) min capacity 3,000 with Corporate Hospitality facilities.
Clubs must have a Womens program (meaning Senior WOmen to Miniroos Girls)
Coaches must be min A Licence
Promotion only until a 16 team competition (via promotion) the P/R from NSD to NPL to commence
2025 Womens NSD to commence
2028 more than 40 Clubs to meet NSD criteria
2028 and beyond  Most Clubs have 12K-15K boutique stadia
2028 and beyond P/R to AL can begin we have a connected pyramid
Preference is for a singular NSD comprising 12-16 teams rather than conferences or NPL with extended NPL Finals (the Champions League Model) Series.
They want a competition with genuine meaning, allowing the teams to play home and away against the best second tier teams in the country.

There's plenty in there to digest, but the common theme is really about GROWTH more Clubs with better facilities and structure, providing players with not only a National Platform but more destinations, a Womens 2Div, better youth Academies. They also expect interest to grow in the game, which is of benefit to the AL
Personally can't see whats the problem!

Read it for yourself, once you do you come to realise that Mr Brunoskevic really doesnt know what he's talking about and the author hasn't done his due diligence.

Excellent point.

St. George still exists, they're in NPL 2 in NSW. And Newcastle Rosebud United is Adamstown Rosebud in the NNSW NPL (one of the oldest clubs in the country, founded in the 1890s).