Is the AFC experiment over?


Is the AFC experiment over?

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bettega - 15 Jul 2021 11:47 AM
jaymz - 15 Jul 2021 10:00 AM

Although you do wonder whether Turkish officials ever look at the easy ride Australia gets into every WC and maybe occasionally they've thought to themselves that they could do with a little bit of that.

You wonder what they're thinking when they have to sit and watch the Saudis getting demolished yet again in a WC fixture.

The Uzbeks could have gone off to UEFA but seem to like the easy path Asia brings. Which is no difference to Australia moving back to Oceania. 
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jaymz - 15 Jul 2021 10:00 AM
LOL, so its AFCs fault that we haven't developed good enough youth players or given much youth game time in the AL. So the solution to this is to move from a stronger confed to the weakest one in the world. That way we can dominate, qualify for every tournament and take stagnation to the next level. 

This would be akin to Turkey and Russia moving from Europe to Asia because they dont qualify for every youth tournament and only make the group stage in the champions league.

This is what happens when a sport is built around winners mentality and metrics

Forget player development, skills, challenge, etc... More people will watch if Australia can win. And that once every 4 years cut throat game is a ratings bonanza. Cant imagine what else would be important
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Royz2000 - 15 Jul 2021 12:04 PM
bettega - 15 Jul 2021 11:47 AM

The Uzbeks could have gone off to UEFA but seem to like the easy path Asia brings. Which is no difference to Australia moving back to Oceania. 

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Royz2000 - 15 Jul 2021 12:04 PM
bettega - 15 Jul 2021 11:47 AM

The Uzbeks could have gone off to UEFA but seem to like the easy path Asia brings. Which is no difference to Australia moving back to Oceania. 

You don't improve if you only play easy opponents. You just have to look how the Oceania teams rank compared to the rest of the world.

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someguyjc - 15 Jul 2021 12:52 PM
Royz2000 - 15 Jul 2021 12:04 PM

You don't improve if you only play easy opponents. You just have to look how the Oceania teams rank compared to the rest of the world.

Kiwi Olympic team says hi to you too..









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Royz2000 - 15 Jul 2021 12:04 PM
bettega - 15 Jul 2021 11:47 AM

The Uzbeks could have gone off to UEFA but seem to like the easy path Asia brings. Which is no difference to Australia moving back to Oceania. 

And the Uzbeks have not improved, if anything their football has gone backwards

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jaymz - 15 Jul 2021 10:00 AM
LOL, so its AFCs fault that we haven't developed good enough youth players or given much youth game time in the AL. So the solution to this is to move from a stronger confed to the weakest one in the world. That way we can dominate, qualify for every tournament and take stagnation to the next level. 


It's an isolationist philosophy, even bordering on racism imo.


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Experiment? FMD it’s probably the best progression to happen to football in the last 15 years. 

Would only the out stripped by the implementation of a full football pyramid. 
Imagine Hulk and the boys on a cold Thursday night out at Northcote City. 



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AJF - 15 Jul 2021 1:35 PM
someguyjc - 15 Jul 2021 12:52 PM

Kiwi Olympic team says hi to you too..

So are you saying we should move back to oceania to play the NZ Olympic team a few times every four years?

Otherwise what is your point?

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Reading between the lines here, my hunch is that the real point of this thread is that Royz2000 (aka nomates) doesn't like that the Nix are ineligible to be in the ACL. If Australia returned to Oceania, then that would no longer be an issue. Just a hunch.
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someguyjc - 15 Jul 2021 2:01 PM
Reading between the lines here, my hunch is that the real point of this thread is that Royz2000 (aka nomates) doesn't like that the Nix are ineligible to be in the ACL. If Australia returned to Oceania, then that would no longer be an issue. Just a hunch.

ditto, why can't nomates revert back to being and having nomates :)


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LFC. - 15 Jul 2021 2:16 PM
someguyjc - 15 Jul 2021 2:01 PM

ditto, why can't nomates revert back to being and having nomates :)

Well they can't return to being nomates because they were banned from this forum.
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jaymz - 15 Jul 2021 1:38 PM
Royz2000 - 15 Jul 2021 12:04 PM

And the Uzbeks have not improved, if anything their football has gone backwards

I've seen the Uzbekis play some fantastic football over the years, but at the same time, overall, they have been a  bit of a disappointing.
By rights, they should be pushing the big 3 quite hard.

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clockwork orange - 15 Jul 2021 7:31 AM
Davstar - 14 Jul 2021 10:36 PM

Yes, for many of them their interest in football was totally drained when they heard we would no longer get to play Vanuatu or Tuvalu. I know my interest has wained with the lack of double digit score lines any serious fan looked forward to.
I suspect you’ll find the other 460 forum members avidly posting on some Kiribati football forum. Perhaps you could report back to us on the progress currently being made in Oceania?


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Royz2000 - 14 Jul 2021 2:01 PM
We are no better off then what we were in the OFC at this point of time, Our national youth cant even beat Laos let alone NZ, we refuse to use the 3+1 rule in our league and have no 2nd division. We are rated just above Vietnam for the A-League standings. We don't take the AFC serious enough to be there.
Is Oceania our savour? 


LOL.  Dumbarsery on an epic scale, even for this forum.  
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sydneyfc1987 - 15 Jul 2021 1:51 PM
AJF - 15 Jul 2021 1:35 PM

So are you saying we should move back to oceania to play the NZ Olympic team a few times every four years?

Otherwise what is your point?

let me spell it out......OFC Countries are not easy the beats they used to be, as proved by loss to NZ.

Before discussing the relevant strengths or otherwise of the OFC vs the AFC, perhaps people should check the FIFA rankings









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bettega - 15 Jul 2021 2:49 PM
jaymz - 15 Jul 2021 1:38 PM

I've seen the Uzbekis play some fantastic football over the years, but at the same time, overall, they have been a  bit of a disappointing.
By rights, they should be pushing the big 3 quite hard.

I remember in the mid to late 00's they were a very difficult nation to play against, even in the ACL they had teams dominating. Sadly thats not the case at the moment, which is a shame because they had a very European style of football and really added something different 

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AJF - 15 Jul 2021 3:04 PM
sydneyfc1987 - 15 Jul 2021 1:51 PM

let me spell it out......OFC Countries are not easy the beats they used to be, as proved by loss to NZ.

Before discussing the relevant strengths or otherwise of the OFC vs the AFC, perhaps people should check the FIFA rankings

New Zealand is ranked 1st within OFC, with a world rank of 122.

Tajikistan is ranked 22nd within AFC with a world rank of 121.

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AJF - 15 Jul 2021 3:04 PM
sydneyfc1987 - 15 Jul 2021 1:51 PM

let me spell it out......OFC Countries are not easy the beats they used to be, as proved by loss to NZ.

Before discussing the relevant strengths or otherwise of the OFC vs the AFC, perhaps people should check the FIFA rankings

Didn't NZ knock the Golden Generation out of WCQ's? How is losing an Olympic friendly any worse?

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someguyjc - 15 Jul 2021 3:22 PM
AJF - 15 Jul 2021 3:04 PM

New Zealand is ranked 1st within OFC, with a world rank of 122.

Tajikistan is ranked 22nd within AFC with a world rank of 121.

Tonga ranked 202 is last in OFC

Sri Lanka who is last in AFC is ranked 204.









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AJF - 15 Jul 2021 3:54 PM
someguyjc - 15 Jul 2021 3:22 PM

Tonga ranked 202 is last in OFC

Sri Lanka who is last in AFC is ranked 204.

ConfedMembersHighestLowestAverage
AFC4628204125.4
CAF5422203110.2
CONCACA3611209137.8
CONMEB1038128
OFC10122202166.2
EUFA55121066.6


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someguyjc - 15 Jul 2021 4:27 PM
AJF - 15 Jul 2021 3:54 PM
someguyjc - 15 Jul 2021 3:22 PM

Tonga ranked 202 is last in OFC

Sri Lanka who is last in AFC is ranked 204.

ConfedMembersHighestLowestAverage
AFC4628204125.4
CAF5422203110.2
CONCACA3611209137.8
CONMEB1038128
OFC10122202166.2
EUFA55121066.6


Nice stat's, but a bit like possession stat's they don't mean much when we can't beat NZ








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Davstar - 14 Jul 2021 10:36 PM
robbos - 14 Jul 2021 2:49 PM

If you dont think we should return to the OFC ill give you the ultimate reason BEING IN ASIA MEANS WE WILL ALWAYS BE SEEDED WITH ASIAN TEAMS MEANING THE CHANCES OF US MAKING IT OUT OF THE GROUP IN A WC ARE GREATLY REDUCED AS WE PRETTY MUCH WILL ALWAYS DRAW A TOP EUROPEAN, SOUTH AMERICAN SIDE.





Yeah.... This has to be a troll...
Somehow being in Oceania would give us a higher seeding at the world cup than being in Asia? 


The last time an Oceanian team made it to the world cup, they were seeded in Pot 2 with North America and Asia, so it wouldn't have made any difference if they were "Asian" or "Oceanian"
And for the record, they were placed into a group with 2 European sides (one of them being the defending champions) and a South American side.

(And to their credit, they didn't come last in the group, and were the only undefeated side at that world cup!)


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petszk - 15 Jul 2021 6:51 PM
Davstar - 14 Jul 2021 10:36 PM

Yeah.... This has to be a troll...
Somehow being in Oceania would give us a higher seeding at the world cup than being in Asia? 


The last time an Oceanian team made it to the world cup, they were seeded in Pot 2 with North America and Asia, so it wouldn't have made any difference if they were "Asian" or "Oceanian"
And for the record, they were placed into a group with 2 European sides (one of them being the defending champions) and a South American side.

(And to their credit, they didn't come last in the group, and were the only undefeated side at that world cup!)

It's Davstar.  He only comes on here once a year to post absolute drivel about how we should be back In the ofc. Then he'll disappear 
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AJF - 15 Jul 2021 3:54 PM
someguyjc - 15 Jul 2021 3:22 PM

Tonga ranked 202 is last in OFC

Sri Lanka who is last in AFC is ranked 204.

Not withstanding the vagaries of FIFA rankings;

Someguy's point is that the best OFC team is ranked around the same as the 22nd best AFC team.
Trying to counter that by saying "Yeah, but the worst AFC is slightly worse than the worst OFC team" misses the point.


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Davstar - 14 Jul 2021 10:36 PM
robbos - 14 Jul 2021 2:49 PM

This fourm used to have +500 active members back in the 00s not we struggle to have over 40..... 




This is a common issue for pretty much all internet forums (on any topic) - it has nothing to do with Australia's move from OFC->AFC.
These days you don't need to find a dedicated forum and then sign up to talk/argue about football (or whatever subject you're into) when you can jump straight into a Facebook group, or a Twitter conversation.


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MvFCArsenal16.8 - 15 Jul 2021 6:52 PM
petszk - 15 Jul 2021 6:51 PM

It's Davstar.  He only comes on here once a year to post absolute drivel about how we should be back In the ofc. Then he'll disappear 

Guess we'll see what happens in the Women's tournament on the 21st.
If NZ win that match, maybe he'll pop back up again?


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Davstar - 14 Jul 2021 2:11 PM
Been saying this for over 5 years now the AFC was the worst thing Australia did, our football in every metric has gone backwards.... 

Is "Actually qualifying for the world cup" a metric?


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AJF - 15 Jul 2021 3:04 PM
sydneyfc1987 - 15 Jul 2021 1:51 PM

let me spell it out......OFC Countries are not easy the beats they used to be, as proved by loss to NZ.

Before discussing the relevant strengths or otherwise of the OFC vs the AFC, perhaps people should check the FIFA rankings

NZ having a pretty decent side atm proves OFC countries (plural) aren't easy beats? 

Rankings? You mean the FIFA mens ratings that show 22 AFC countries above New Zealand?

Eh?

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AJF - 15 Jul 2021 3:54 PM
someguyjc - 15 Jul 2021 3:22 PM

Tonga ranked 202 is last in OFC

Sri Lanka who is last in AFC is ranked 204.

San Marino who is last in UEFA is ranked 210. Must mean OFC and AFC are both better than UEFA :D:D:D

In fact, they are the lowest rank side in the world so clearly Europe sucks.

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