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+xIts such a catch 22 situation here, When we were in the OFC were qualified for almost every youth World Cup but we didnt qualify for the senior World Cup. In the AFC were qualified for every senior world cup but has been a struggle to qualify for youth World Cups and olympics (2013 last time we qualified for u20s) (qualified for the last u17s in 2019) (Qualified for the Olympics first time since 2008) The women aren't better if not worse at youth level so its clearly alot more challenging to get into these tournaments through football first countries whom have thrown resources which we dream to have and ironically being in the OFC it formed the nucleus of the golden generation 2006 from previous experiences so we are disadvantaged here. These days we have not replicated the golden generation side probably due to the lack of international exposure as mentioned but also an argument the quality hasnt been there too which is fair. I guess its an open ended debate about the merits of being in Asia, our players have benefited with more financial incentives which it didnt bring in the OFC days when players had to go to Europe to get a decent career but its changed with the coin on offer with the plus 1 AFC quota. To conclude we probably worse off in terms of international exposure in helping the national team with less numbers in the big leagues of Europe and more looking at Asia but benefiting in terms of financial side which we probably didn't get in the past through players, AFC Champions League and AFC Cup. The question is will we ever see another golden generation like the 2006 team again under the current conditions being in Asia? This is hard to answer as we dont know if the conditions being in the AFC prevent it happening or not. This is spot on - the major benefits have been $$$ for players but in terms of on the park the benefits have not been what we thought they would be. We have to be honest with ourselves and i have found most football fans lack the ability to do that. The fact that it is even a 'debate' shows we made the wrong decision - when we 1st moved to Asia EVERYONE (I included) thought it would be the best thing for football - I think around 8-9 years into the change i realised how under-whelming it has been for us. Ill add i dont think we will ever go back to the OFC ...but i think we should
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Davstar
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+x+xIts such a catch 22 situation here,
When we were in the OFC were qualified for almost every youth World Cup but we didnt qualify for the senior World Cup.
In the AFC were qualified for every senior world cup but has been a struggle to qualify for youth World Cups and olympics
(2013 last time we qualified for u20s)
(qualified for the last u17s in 2019)
(Qualified for the Olympics first time since 2008)
The women aren't better if not worse at youth level so its clearly alot more challenging to get into these tournaments through football first countries whom have thrown resources which we dream to have and ironically being in the OFC it formed the nucleus of the golden generation 2006 from previous experiences so we are disadvantaged here.
Did it? Obviously we want to qualify for every possible tournament but are youth world cups all they are cracked up to be? We are talking about 3 games every four years, assuming we don't get out of the group stages. Meanwhile, in the 4 years in between we had New Zealand as the solitary meaningful opponent in a competitive fixture. This is incorrect we made plenty of tournaments at all levels and did quite well - ie confeds cup, U17, U20s and Olympics If anything you're ignoring the fact that we make WC now but get played off the park (more or less) Im not saying it is all due to us joining the AFC but the fact is joining the AFC was not the 'promise land' everyone thought it would be. I accept there as been benefits (of course) but i think we also need to accept there has been some BIG negatives.
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+x+x+x+xIts such a catch 22 situation here,
When we were in the OFC were qualified for almost every youth World Cup but we didnt qualify for the senior World Cup.
In the AFC were qualified for every senior world cup but has been a struggle to qualify for youth World Cups and olympics
(2013 last time we qualified for u20s)
(qualified for the last u17s in 2019)
(Qualified for the Olympics first time since 2008)
The women aren't better if not worse at youth level so its clearly alot more challenging to get into these tournaments through football first countries whom have thrown resources which we dream to have and ironically being in the OFC it formed the nucleus of the golden generation 2006 from previous experiences so we are disadvantaged here.
Did it? Obviously we want to qualify for every possible tournament but are youth world cups all they are cracked up to be? We are talking about 3 games every four years, assuming we don't get out of the group stages. Meanwhile, in the 4 years in between we had New Zealand as the solitary meaningful opponent in a competitive fixture. It’s not the only factor but it was a crucial factor that happened to the GG. During the 90s they made 2 semi finals at u20 level and a final at u17 level, overall it helped our reputation with European clubs in getting euro moves from that era.You can make an argument it started in the late 80s when Australia beat Yugaslavia at the Olympics too. It sure helps which is why it's so annoying when blokes go 'oh we didn't make XYZ tournament but that doesn't matter'. 100% it matters. You can see from last nights match that the talent is there but the opportunities in Europe would not come knocking that often. Is an Italian club going to sign an Australian when he has literally dozens of young guns coming through their academy? All things considered it'd be far easier to sign a local which is why we need to be at these tournaments. You don't understand, playing in region international youth competions against competent opponents is important because we become contenders. That win last night along with NZs means people will be scouting the aleagues, to put kids in their academies, looking for the next lump of coal. To turn up to a tournament and get trounced because of a lack of match time, would do nothing but throw the above ideas out the window for another 10 years
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+x+x+xIts such a catch 22 situation here,
When we were in the OFC were qualified for almost every youth World Cup but we didnt qualify for the senior World Cup.
In the AFC were qualified for every senior world cup but has been a struggle to qualify for youth World Cups and olympics
(2013 last time we qualified for u20s)
(qualified for the last u17s in 2019)
(Qualified for the Olympics first time since 2008)
The women aren't better if not worse at youth level so its clearly alot more challenging to get into these tournaments through football first countries whom have thrown resources which we dream to have and ironically being in the OFC it formed the nucleus of the golden generation 2006 from previous experiences so we are disadvantaged here.
Did it? Obviously we want to qualify for every possible tournament but are youth world cups all they are cracked up to be? We are talking about 3 games every four years, assuming we don't get out of the group stages. Meanwhile, in the 4 years in between we had New Zealand as the solitary meaningful opponent in a competitive fixture. It’s not the only factor but it was a crucial factor that happened to the GG. During the 90s they made 2 semi finals at u20 level and a final at u17 level, overall it helped our reputation with European clubs in getting euro moves from that era.You can make an argument it started in the late 80s when Australia beat Yugaslavia at the Olympics too. It sure helps which is why it's so annoying when blokes go 'oh we didn't make XYZ tournament but that doesn't matter'. 100% it matters. You can see from last nights match that the talent is there but the opportunities in Europe would not come knocking that often. Is an Italian club going to sign an Australian when he has literally dozens of young guns coming through their academy? All things considered it'd be far easier to sign a local which is why we need to be at these tournaments.
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+x+x+xIts such a catch 22 situation here,
When we were in the OFC were qualified for almost every youth World Cup but we didnt qualify for the senior World Cup.
In the AFC were qualified for every senior world cup but has been a struggle to qualify for youth World Cups and olympics
(2013 last time we qualified for u20s)
(qualified for the last u17s in 2019)
(Qualified for the Olympics first time since 2008)
The women aren't better if not worse at youth level so its clearly alot more challenging to get into these tournaments through football first countries whom have thrown resources which we dream to have and ironically being in the OFC it formed the nucleus of the golden generation 2006 from previous experiences so we are disadvantaged here.
Did it? Obviously we want to qualify for every possible tournament but are youth world cups all they are cracked up to be? We are talking about 3 games every four years, assuming we don't get out of the group stages. Meanwhile, in the 4 years in between we had New Zealand as the solitary meaningful opponent in a competitive fixture. It’s not the only factor but it was a crucial factor that happened to the GG. During the 90s they made 2 semi finals at u20 level and a final at u17 level, overall it helped our reputation with European clubs in getting euro moves from that era. You can make an argument it started in the late 80s when Australia beat Yugaslavia at the Olympics too. Possibly it helped with exposure, but we are talking about a completely different era. Obviously scouting networks are more advanced now, especially with the internet, cheaper air travel etc. Either way, it's not like young Australian players aren't getting moves to European clubs though. That is clearly not an issue we have. The problem is the lack of game time. If the players we are producing are good enough they should getting game time. That's totally on us and has nothing to do with joining Asia.
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+x+xIts such a catch 22 situation here,
When we were in the OFC were qualified for almost every youth World Cup but we didnt qualify for the senior World Cup.
In the AFC were qualified for every senior world cup but has been a struggle to qualify for youth World Cups and olympics
(2013 last time we qualified for u20s)
(qualified for the last u17s in 2019)
(Qualified for the Olympics first time since 2008)
The women aren't better if not worse at youth level so its clearly alot more challenging to get into these tournaments through football first countries whom have thrown resources which we dream to have and ironically being in the OFC it formed the nucleus of the golden generation 2006 from previous experiences so we are disadvantaged here.
Did it? Obviously we want to qualify for every possible tournament but are youth world cups all they are cracked up to be? We are talking about 3 games every four years, assuming we don't get out of the group stages. Meanwhile, in the 4 years in between we had New Zealand as the solitary meaningful opponent in a competitive fixture. It’s not the only factor but it was a crucial factor that happened to the GG. During the 90s they made 2 semi finals at u20 level and a final at u17 level, overall it helped our reputation with European clubs in getting euro moves from that era. You can make an argument it started in the late 80s when Australia beat Yugaslavia at the Olympics too.
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+xIts such a catch 22 situation here,
When we were in the OFC were qualified for almost every youth World Cup but we didnt qualify for the senior World Cup.
In the AFC were qualified for every senior world cup but has been a struggle to qualify for youth World Cups and olympics
(2013 last time we qualified for u20s)
(qualified for the last u17s in 2019)
(Qualified for the Olympics first time since 2008)
The women aren't better if not worse at youth level so its clearly alot more challenging to get into these tournaments through football first countries whom have thrown resources which we dream to have and ironically being in the OFC it formed the nucleus of the golden generation 2006 from previous experiences so we are disadvantaged here.
Did it? Obviously we want to qualify for every possible tournament but are youth world cups all they are cracked up to be? We are talking about 3 games every four years, assuming we don't get out of the group stages. Meanwhile, in the 4 years in between we had New Zealand as the solitary meaningful opponent in a competitive fixture.
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Its such a catch 22 situation here,
When we were in the OFC were qualified for almost every youth World Cup but we didnt qualify for the senior World Cup.
In the AFC were qualified for every senior world cup but has been a struggle to qualify for youth World Cups and olympics
(2013 last time we qualified for u20s)
(qualified for the last u17s in 2019)
(Qualified for the Olympics first time since 2008)
The women aren't better if not worse at youth level so its clearly alot more challenging to get into these tournaments through football first countries whom have thrown resources which we dream to have and ironically being in the OFC it formed the nucleus of the golden generation 2006 from previous experiences so we are disadvantaged here.
These days we have not replicated the golden generation side probably due to the lack of international exposure as mentioned but also an argument the quality hasnt been there too which is fair.
I guess its an open ended debate about the merits of being in Asia, our players have benefited with more financial incentives which it didnt bring in the OFC days when players had to go to Europe to get a decent career but its changed with the coin on offer with the plus 1 AFC quota.
To conclude we probably worse off in terms of international exposure in helping the national team with less numbers in the big leagues of Europe and more looking at Asia but benefiting in terms of financial side which we probably didn't get in the past through players, AFC Champions League and AFC Cup.
The question is will we ever see another golden generation like the 2006 team again under the current conditions being in Asia? This is hard to answer as we dont know if the conditions being in the AFC prevent it happening or not.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis would be akin to Turkey and Russia moving from Europe to Asia because they dont qualify for every youth tournament and only make the group stage in the champions league. Although you do wonder whether Turkish officials ever look at the easy ride Australia gets into every WC and maybe occasionally they've thought to themselves that they could do with a little bit of that. You wonder what they're thinking when they have to sit and watch the Saudis getting demolished yet again in a WC fixture. The Uzbeks could have gone off to UEFA but seem to like the easy path Asia brings. Which is no difference to Australia moving back to Oceania. You don't improve if you only play easy opponents. You just have to look how the Oceania teams rank compared to the rest of the world. Kiwi Olympic team says hi to you too.. So are you saying we should move back to oceania to play the NZ Olympic team a few times every four years? Otherwise what is your point? let me spell it out......OFC Countries are not easy the beats they used to be, as proved by loss to NZ. Before discussing the relevant strengths or otherwise of the OFC vs the AFC, perhaps people should check the FIFA rankings New Zealand is ranked 1st within OFC, with a world rank of 122. Tajikistan is ranked 22nd within AFC with a world rank of 121. Tonga ranked 202 is last in OFC Sri Lanka who is last in AFC is ranked 204. San Marino who is last in UEFA is ranked 210. Must mean OFC and AFC are both better than UEFA :D:D:D
In fact, they are the lowest rank side in the world so clearly Europe sucks.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis would be akin to Turkey and Russia moving from Europe to Asia because they dont qualify for every youth tournament and only make the group stage in the champions league. Although you do wonder whether Turkish officials ever look at the easy ride Australia gets into every WC and maybe occasionally they've thought to themselves that they could do with a little bit of that. You wonder what they're thinking when they have to sit and watch the Saudis getting demolished yet again in a WC fixture. The Uzbeks could have gone off to UEFA but seem to like the easy path Asia brings. Which is no difference to Australia moving back to Oceania. You don't improve if you only play easy opponents. You just have to look how the Oceania teams rank compared to the rest of the world. Kiwi Olympic team says hi to you too.. So are you saying we should move back to oceania to play the NZ Olympic team a few times every four years? Otherwise what is your point? let me spell it out......OFC Countries are not easy the beats they used to be, as proved by loss to NZ. Before discussing the relevant strengths or otherwise of the OFC vs the AFC, perhaps people should check the FIFA rankings NZ having a pretty decent side atm proves OFC countries (plural) aren't easy beats? Rankings? You mean the FIFA mens ratings that show 22 AFC countries above New Zealand? Eh?
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+xBeen saying this for over 5 years now the AFC was the worst thing Australia did, our football in every metric has gone backwards.... Is "Actually qualifying for the world cup" a metric?
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+x+x+x+x+xBeen saying this for over 5 years now the AFC was the worst thing Australia did, our football in every metric has gone backwards.... It has also cost us a load of money I doubt we will go back to the OFC but we probably should no one cares about the ACL, or Asian cup etc Well you have totally confused me with those comments. I was one of 100K watching the 2015 Asian cup final in Sydney. I was also there for Iran v Qatar in Sydney, easily the most atmospheric day at the Olympic stadium, outside of a couple of WC qualifiers & Asian cup final, & I have attended quite a few events there. I only ever cheered WSW once & that was the 2104 ACL final, & cheered for Adelaide a few years earlier in another ACL final. I was in Russia to watch the Socceroos play in a World cup with mainly A-League players in 2018, 4th time running of qualifying for WC (was also there in 2006) after 32 years of heartache. I attended a Sydney Derby with 62K & also attended some games of the A-League with 30k-40K. I've seen the A-League discussed & even feared in the main stream media. So not sure what metrics you talking about. If you dont think we should return to the OFC ill give you the ultimate reason BEING IN ASIA MEANS WE WILL ALWAYS BE SEEDED WITH ASIAN TEAMS MEANING THE CHANCES OF US MAKING IT OUT OF THE GROUP IN A WC ARE GREATLY REDUCED AS WE PRETTY MUCH WILL ALWAYS DRAW A TOP EUROPEAN, SOUTH AMERICAN SIDE. Yeah.... This has to be a troll... Somehow being in Oceania would give us a higher seeding at the world cup than being in Asia?  The last time an Oceanian team made it to the world cup, they were seeded in Pot 2 with North America and Asia, so it wouldn't have made any difference if they were "Asian" or "Oceanian" And for the record, they were placed into a group with 2 European sides (one of them being the defending champions) and a South American side. (And to their credit, they didn't come last in the group, and were the only undefeated side at that world cup!) It's Davstar. He only comes on here once a year to post absolute drivel about how we should be back In the ofc. Then he'll disappear Guess we'll see what happens in the Women's tournament on the 21st. If NZ win that match, maybe he'll pop back up again?
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+x+x+xBeen saying this for over 5 years now the AFC was the worst thing Australia did, our football in every metric has gone backwards.... It has also cost us a load of money I doubt we will go back to the OFC but we probably should no one cares about the ACL, or Asian cup etc Well you have totally confused me with those comments. I was one of 100K watching the 2015 Asian cup final in Sydney. I was also there for Iran v Qatar in Sydney, easily the most atmospheric day at the Olympic stadium, outside of a couple of WC qualifiers & Asian cup final, & I have attended quite a few events there. I only ever cheered WSW once & that was the 2104 ACL final, & cheered for Adelaide a few years earlier in another ACL final. I was in Russia to watch the Socceroos play in a World cup with mainly A-League players in 2018, 4th time running of qualifying for WC (was also there in 2006) after 32 years of heartache. I attended a Sydney Derby with 62K & also attended some games of the A-League with 30k-40K. I've seen the A-League discussed & even feared in the main stream media. So not sure what metrics you talking about. This fourm used to have +500 active members back in the 00s not we struggle to have over 40..... This is a common issue for pretty much all internet forums (on any topic) - it has nothing to do with Australia's move from OFC->AFC. These days you don't need to find a dedicated forum and then sign up to talk/argue about football (or whatever subject you're into) when you can jump straight into a Facebook group, or a Twitter conversation.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis would be akin to Turkey and Russia moving from Europe to Asia because they dont qualify for every youth tournament and only make the group stage in the champions league. Although you do wonder whether Turkish officials ever look at the easy ride Australia gets into every WC and maybe occasionally they've thought to themselves that they could do with a little bit of that. You wonder what they're thinking when they have to sit and watch the Saudis getting demolished yet again in a WC fixture. The Uzbeks could have gone off to UEFA but seem to like the easy path Asia brings. Which is no difference to Australia moving back to Oceania. You don't improve if you only play easy opponents. You just have to look how the Oceania teams rank compared to the rest of the world. Kiwi Olympic team says hi to you too.. So are you saying we should move back to oceania to play the NZ Olympic team a few times every four years? Otherwise what is your point? let me spell it out......OFC Countries are not easy the beats they used to be, as proved by loss to NZ. Before discussing the relevant strengths or otherwise of the OFC vs the AFC, perhaps people should check the FIFA rankings New Zealand is ranked 1st within OFC, with a world rank of 122. Tajikistan is ranked 22nd within AFC with a world rank of 121. Tonga ranked 202 is last in OFC Sri Lanka who is last in AFC is ranked 204. Not withstanding the vagaries of FIFA rankings; Someguy's point is that the best OFC team is ranked around the same as the 22nd best AFC team. Trying to counter that by saying "Yeah, but the worst AFC is slightly worse than the worst OFC team" misses the point.
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+x+x+x+xBeen saying this for over 5 years now the AFC was the worst thing Australia did, our football in every metric has gone backwards.... It has also cost us a load of money I doubt we will go back to the OFC but we probably should no one cares about the ACL, or Asian cup etc Well you have totally confused me with those comments. I was one of 100K watching the 2015 Asian cup final in Sydney. I was also there for Iran v Qatar in Sydney, easily the most atmospheric day at the Olympic stadium, outside of a couple of WC qualifiers & Asian cup final, & I have attended quite a few events there. I only ever cheered WSW once & that was the 2104 ACL final, & cheered for Adelaide a few years earlier in another ACL final. I was in Russia to watch the Socceroos play in a World cup with mainly A-League players in 2018, 4th time running of qualifying for WC (was also there in 2006) after 32 years of heartache. I attended a Sydney Derby with 62K & also attended some games of the A-League with 30k-40K. I've seen the A-League discussed & even feared in the main stream media. So not sure what metrics you talking about. If you dont think we should return to the OFC ill give you the ultimate reason BEING IN ASIA MEANS WE WILL ALWAYS BE SEEDED WITH ASIAN TEAMS MEANING THE CHANCES OF US MAKING IT OUT OF THE GROUP IN A WC ARE GREATLY REDUCED AS WE PRETTY MUCH WILL ALWAYS DRAW A TOP EUROPEAN, SOUTH AMERICAN SIDE. Yeah.... This has to be a troll... Somehow being in Oceania would give us a higher seeding at the world cup than being in Asia? The last time an Oceanian team made it to the world cup, they were seeded in Pot 2 with North America and Asia, so it wouldn't have made any difference if they were "Asian" or "Oceanian" And for the record, they were placed into a group with 2 European sides (one of them being the defending champions) and a South American side. (And to their credit, they didn't come last in the group, and were the only undefeated side at that world cup!) It's Davstar. He only comes on here once a year to post absolute drivel about how we should be back In the ofc. Then he'll disappear
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+x+x+xBeen saying this for over 5 years now the AFC was the worst thing Australia did, our football in every metric has gone backwards.... It has also cost us a load of money I doubt we will go back to the OFC but we probably should no one cares about the ACL, or Asian cup etc Well you have totally confused me with those comments. I was one of 100K watching the 2015 Asian cup final in Sydney. I was also there for Iran v Qatar in Sydney, easily the most atmospheric day at the Olympic stadium, outside of a couple of WC qualifiers & Asian cup final, & I have attended quite a few events there. I only ever cheered WSW once & that was the 2104 ACL final, & cheered for Adelaide a few years earlier in another ACL final. I was in Russia to watch the Socceroos play in a World cup with mainly A-League players in 2018, 4th time running of qualifying for WC (was also there in 2006) after 32 years of heartache. I attended a Sydney Derby with 62K & also attended some games of the A-League with 30k-40K. I've seen the A-League discussed & even feared in the main stream media. So not sure what metrics you talking about. If you dont think we should return to the OFC ill give you the ultimate reason BEING IN ASIA MEANS WE WILL ALWAYS BE SEEDED WITH ASIAN TEAMS MEANING THE CHANCES OF US MAKING IT OUT OF THE GROUP IN A WC ARE GREATLY REDUCED AS WE PRETTY MUCH WILL ALWAYS DRAW A TOP EUROPEAN, SOUTH AMERICAN SIDE. Yeah.... This has to be a troll... Somehow being in Oceania would give us a higher seeding at the world cup than being in Asia? The last time an Oceanian team made it to the world cup, they were seeded in Pot 2 with North America and Asia, so it wouldn't have made any difference if they were "Asian" or "Oceanian" And for the record, they were placed into a group with 2 European sides (one of them being the defending champions) and a South American side. (And to their credit, they didn't come last in the group, and were the only undefeated side at that world cup!)
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis would be akin to Turkey and Russia moving from Europe to Asia because they dont qualify for every youth tournament and only make the group stage in the champions league. Although you do wonder whether Turkish officials ever look at the easy ride Australia gets into every WC and maybe occasionally they've thought to themselves that they could do with a little bit of that. You wonder what they're thinking when they have to sit and watch the Saudis getting demolished yet again in a WC fixture. The Uzbeks could have gone off to UEFA but seem to like the easy path Asia brings. Which is no difference to Australia moving back to Oceania. You don't improve if you only play easy opponents. You just have to look how the Oceania teams rank compared to the rest of the world. Kiwi Olympic team says hi to you too.. So are you saying we should move back to oceania to play the NZ Olympic team a few times every four years? Otherwise what is your point? let me spell it out......OFC Countries are not easy the beats they used to be, as proved by loss to NZ. Before discussing the relevant strengths or otherwise of the OFC vs the AFC, perhaps people should check the FIFA rankings New Zealand is ranked 1st within OFC, with a world rank of 122. Tajikistan is ranked 22nd within AFC with a world rank of 121. Tonga ranked 202 is last in OFC Sri Lanka who is last in AFC is ranked 204. | Confed | Members | Highest | Lowest | Average | | AFC | 46 | 28 | 204 | 125.4 | | CAF | 54 | 22 | 203 | 110.2 | | CONCACA | 36 | 11 | 209 | 137.8 | | CONMEB | 10 | 3 | 81 | 28 | | OFC | 10 | 122 | 202 | 166.2 | | EUFA | 55 | 1 | 210 | 66.6 |
Nice stat's, but a bit like possession stat's they don't mean much when we can't beat NZ
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis would be akin to Turkey and Russia moving from Europe to Asia because they dont qualify for every youth tournament and only make the group stage in the champions league. Although you do wonder whether Turkish officials ever look at the easy ride Australia gets into every WC and maybe occasionally they've thought to themselves that they could do with a little bit of that. You wonder what they're thinking when they have to sit and watch the Saudis getting demolished yet again in a WC fixture. The Uzbeks could have gone off to UEFA but seem to like the easy path Asia brings. Which is no difference to Australia moving back to Oceania. You don't improve if you only play easy opponents. You just have to look how the Oceania teams rank compared to the rest of the world. Kiwi Olympic team says hi to you too.. So are you saying we should move back to oceania to play the NZ Olympic team a few times every four years? Otherwise what is your point? let me spell it out......OFC Countries are not easy the beats they used to be, as proved by loss to NZ. Before discussing the relevant strengths or otherwise of the OFC vs the AFC, perhaps people should check the FIFA rankings New Zealand is ranked 1st within OFC, with a world rank of 122. Tajikistan is ranked 22nd within AFC with a world rank of 121. Tonga ranked 202 is last in OFC Sri Lanka who is last in AFC is ranked 204. | Confed | Members | Highest | Lowest | Average | | AFC | 46 | 28 | 204 | 125.4 | | CAF | 54 | 22 | 203 | 110.2 | | CONCACA | 36 | 11 | 209 | 137.8 | | CONMEB | 10 | 3 | 81 | 28 | | OFC | 10 | 122 | 202 | 166.2 | | EUFA | 55 | 1 | 210 | 66.6 |
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AJF
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis would be akin to Turkey and Russia moving from Europe to Asia because they dont qualify for every youth tournament and only make the group stage in the champions league. Although you do wonder whether Turkish officials ever look at the easy ride Australia gets into every WC and maybe occasionally they've thought to themselves that they could do with a little bit of that. You wonder what they're thinking when they have to sit and watch the Saudis getting demolished yet again in a WC fixture. The Uzbeks could have gone off to UEFA but seem to like the easy path Asia brings. Which is no difference to Australia moving back to Oceania. You don't improve if you only play easy opponents. You just have to look how the Oceania teams rank compared to the rest of the world. Kiwi Olympic team says hi to you too.. So are you saying we should move back to oceania to play the NZ Olympic team a few times every four years? Otherwise what is your point? let me spell it out......OFC Countries are not easy the beats they used to be, as proved by loss to NZ. Before discussing the relevant strengths or otherwise of the OFC vs the AFC, perhaps people should check the FIFA rankings New Zealand is ranked 1st within OFC, with a world rank of 122. Tajikistan is ranked 22nd within AFC with a world rank of 121. Tonga ranked 202 is last in OFC Sri Lanka who is last in AFC is ranked 204.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis would be akin to Turkey and Russia moving from Europe to Asia because they dont qualify for every youth tournament and only make the group stage in the champions league. Although you do wonder whether Turkish officials ever look at the easy ride Australia gets into every WC and maybe occasionally they've thought to themselves that they could do with a little bit of that. You wonder what they're thinking when they have to sit and watch the Saudis getting demolished yet again in a WC fixture. The Uzbeks could have gone off to UEFA but seem to like the easy path Asia brings. Which is no difference to Australia moving back to Oceania. You don't improve if you only play easy opponents. You just have to look how the Oceania teams rank compared to the rest of the world. Kiwi Olympic team says hi to you too.. So are you saying we should move back to oceania to play the NZ Olympic team a few times every four years? Otherwise what is your point? let me spell it out......OFC Countries are not easy the beats they used to be, as proved by loss to NZ. Before discussing the relevant strengths or otherwise of the OFC vs the AFC, perhaps people should check the FIFA rankings Didn't NZ knock the Golden Generation out of WCQ's? How is losing an Olympic friendly any worse?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis would be akin to Turkey and Russia moving from Europe to Asia because they dont qualify for every youth tournament and only make the group stage in the champions league. Although you do wonder whether Turkish officials ever look at the easy ride Australia gets into every WC and maybe occasionally they've thought to themselves that they could do with a little bit of that. You wonder what they're thinking when they have to sit and watch the Saudis getting demolished yet again in a WC fixture. The Uzbeks could have gone off to UEFA but seem to like the easy path Asia brings. Which is no difference to Australia moving back to Oceania. You don't improve if you only play easy opponents. You just have to look how the Oceania teams rank compared to the rest of the world. Kiwi Olympic team says hi to you too.. So are you saying we should move back to oceania to play the NZ Olympic team a few times every four years? Otherwise what is your point? let me spell it out......OFC Countries are not easy the beats they used to be, as proved by loss to NZ. Before discussing the relevant strengths or otherwise of the OFC vs the AFC, perhaps people should check the FIFA rankings New Zealand is ranked 1st within OFC, with a world rank of 122. Tajikistan is ranked 22nd within AFC with a world rank of 121.
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+x+x+x+x+xThis would be akin to Turkey and Russia moving from Europe to Asia because they dont qualify for every youth tournament and only make the group stage in the champions league. Although you do wonder whether Turkish officials ever look at the easy ride Australia gets into every WC and maybe occasionally they've thought to themselves that they could do with a little bit of that. You wonder what they're thinking when they have to sit and watch the Saudis getting demolished yet again in a WC fixture. The Uzbeks could have gone off to UEFA but seem to like the easy path Asia brings. Which is no difference to Australia moving back to Oceania. And the Uzbeks have not improved, if anything their football has gone backwards I've seen the Uzbekis play some fantastic football over the years, but at the same time, overall, they have been a bit of a disappointing. By rights, they should be pushing the big 3 quite hard. I remember in the mid to late 00's they were a very difficult nation to play against, even in the ACL they had teams dominating. Sadly thats not the case at the moment, which is a shame because they had a very European style of football and really added something different
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThis would be akin to Turkey and Russia moving from Europe to Asia because they dont qualify for every youth tournament and only make the group stage in the champions league. Although you do wonder whether Turkish officials ever look at the easy ride Australia gets into every WC and maybe occasionally they've thought to themselves that they could do with a little bit of that. You wonder what they're thinking when they have to sit and watch the Saudis getting demolished yet again in a WC fixture. The Uzbeks could have gone off to UEFA but seem to like the easy path Asia brings. Which is no difference to Australia moving back to Oceania. You don't improve if you only play easy opponents. You just have to look how the Oceania teams rank compared to the rest of the world. Kiwi Olympic team says hi to you too.. So are you saying we should move back to oceania to play the NZ Olympic team a few times every four years? Otherwise what is your point? let me spell it out......OFC Countries are not easy the beats they used to be, as proved by loss to NZ. Before discussing the relevant strengths or otherwise of the OFC vs the AFC, perhaps people should check the FIFA rankings
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+xWe are no better off then what we were in the OFC at this point of time, Our national youth cant even beat Laos let alone NZ, we refuse to use the 3+1 rule in our league and have no 2nd division. We are rated just above Vietnam for the A-League standings. We don't take the AFC serious enough to be there. Is Oceania our savour? LOL. Dumbarsery on an epic scale, even for this forum.
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Kamaryn
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+x+x+x+xBeen saying this for over 5 years now the AFC was the worst thing Australia did, our football in every metric has gone backwards.... It has also cost us a load of money I doubt we will go back to the OFC but we probably should no one cares about the ACL, or Asian cup etc Well you have totally confused me with those comments. I was one of 100K watching the 2015 Asian cup final in Sydney. I was also there for Iran v Qatar in Sydney, easily the most atmospheric day at the Olympic stadium, outside of a couple of WC qualifiers & Asian cup final, & I have attended quite a few events there. I only ever cheered WSW once & that was the 2104 ACL final, & cheered for Adelaide a few years earlier in another ACL final. I was in Russia to watch the Socceroos play in a World cup with mainly A-League players in 2018, 4th time running of qualifying for WC (was also there in 2006) after 32 years of heartache. I attended a Sydney Derby with 62K & also attended some games of the A-League with 30k-40K. I've seen the A-League discussed & even feared in the main stream media. So not sure what metrics you talking about. This fourm used to have +500 active members back in the 00s not we struggle to have over 40..... Yes, for many of them their interest in football was totally drained when they heard we would no longer get to play Vanuatu or Tuvalu. I know my interest has wained with the lack of double digit score lines any serious fan looked forward to. I suspect you’ll find the other 460 forum members avidly posting on some Kiribati football forum. Perhaps you could report back to us on the progress currently being made in Oceania? :D:D:D
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+x+x+x+xThis would be akin to Turkey and Russia moving from Europe to Asia because they dont qualify for every youth tournament and only make the group stage in the champions league. Although you do wonder whether Turkish officials ever look at the easy ride Australia gets into every WC and maybe occasionally they've thought to themselves that they could do with a little bit of that. You wonder what they're thinking when they have to sit and watch the Saudis getting demolished yet again in a WC fixture. The Uzbeks could have gone off to UEFA but seem to like the easy path Asia brings. Which is no difference to Australia moving back to Oceania. And the Uzbeks have not improved, if anything their football has gone backwards I've seen the Uzbekis play some fantastic football over the years, but at the same time, overall, they have been a bit of a disappointing. By rights, they should be pushing the big 3 quite hard.
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+x+xReading between the lines here, my hunch is that the real point of this thread is that Royz2000 (aka nomates) doesn't like that the Nix are ineligible to be in the ACL. If Australia returned to Oceania, then that would no longer be an issue. Just a hunch. ditto, why can't nomates revert back to being and having nomates :) Well they can't return to being nomates because they were banned from this forum.
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+xReading between the lines here, my hunch is that the real point of this thread is that Royz2000 (aka nomates) doesn't like that the Nix are ineligible to be in the ACL. If Australia returned to Oceania, then that would no longer be an issue. Just a hunch. ditto, why can't nomates revert back to being and having nomates :)
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