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Why not, let’s enjoy the high right now!
Glover - Yokohama F Marinos Atkinson - Yokohama F Marinos JRB - Stoke City Souttar - Burnley Baccus - Ferencvaros Piscopo - Inter Milan McGree - Celtic D’Aggers - Suwon Bluewings Genreau - PEC Zwolle Arzani - New York City FC Deng - PSV King - Bournemouth Metcalfe - KV Kortrijk Tilio - VfB Stuttgart Wales - Fortuna Düsseldorf Devlin - Hibernian
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Arnold to coach Brazil
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+xWhy not, let’s enjoy the high right now! Glover - Yokohama F Marinos Atkinson - Yokohama F Marinos JRB - Stoke City Souttar - Burnley Baccus - Ferencvaros Piscopo - Inter Milan McGree - Celtic D’Aggers - Suwon Bluewings Genreau - PEC Zwolle Arzani - New York City FC Deng - PSV King - Bournemouth Metcalfe - KV Kortrijk Tilio - VfB Stuttgart Wales - Fortuna Düsseldorf Devlin - Hibernian Atkinson - Feyenoord McGree - Brugges Arzani - MacArthur Deng - Braga Tilio - Nice Devlin - Luzern
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Atkinson should be hot property. Considering Hannover and their midfield issues, I'd take Metcalfe immediately. If Deng can play more he's fine where he is.
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AMB - Western United (loan) Holmes - Barnet
Atkinson - Peterborough United Souttar - Burnley JRB - Brisbane Roar
Devlin - AGF Aarhus Baccus - Ferencvaros Metcalfe - AGF Aarhus
D’Agostino - Melbourne Victory Piscopo - FC Crotone Arzani - Newcastle Jets Tilio - PEC Zwolle
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Atkinson and Tilio to be snapped up by City and sent out on Loan to Lommel SK
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Not sure this thread is relevant at this time. Yes - I get it that these exceptionally talented young footballers should have some praise for their efforts atm - but the tourney is more important than speculation at this point.
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hope none of them move unless gauranteed first teem action
with 12 teams in the a league, the season is long enough and the standard is good enough that you shouldn't move unless you are absolutely dominating like aaron mooy get around 70 games minimum under your belt
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+xWhy not, let’s enjoy the high right now! Glover - Yokohama F Marinos Atkinson - Yokohama F Marinos JRB - Stoke City Souttar - Burnley Baccus - Ferencvaros Piscopo - Inter Milan McGree - Celtic D’Aggers - Suwon Bluewings Genreau - PEC Zwolle Arzani - New York City FC Deng - PSV King - Bournemouth Metcalfe - KV Kortrijk Tilio - VfB Stuttgart Wales - Fortuna Düsseldorf Devlin - Hibernian Rowles? Pierias?
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Can only see Wales making it. Initially being linked to Real Madrid, but right on the eve of the transfer deadline Barcelona surprises the world with a hitherto record transfer for an Australian player, much to the chagrin of Florentino Perez.
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We really need all of the aleague contingent to move on to better leagues, primarily to allow the next generation space to take.
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Love your passion op
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+xhope none of them move unless gauranteed first teem action with 12 teams in the a league, the season is long enough and the standard is good enough that you shouldn't move unless you are absolutely dominating like aaron mooy get around 70 games minimum under your belt This ^^^ Learn from Arzani and only move to club that will play you! That strike from Tilio was Messi-like. He will go overseas (probably Europe) in next 2 years with plays & strikes like that
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+xWe really need all of the aleague contingent to move on to better leagues, primarily to allow the next generation space to take. This. Why it annoys me when many of you say "oh but they should stay and play 1000 games in a league first" Bullocks, the best situation is they leave for overseas asap and more aussie players get put into the system. This is how the Golden gen was formed
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+x+xWe really need all of the aleague contingent to move on to better leagues, primarily to allow the next generation space to take. This. Why it annoys me when many of you say "oh but they should stay and play 1000 games in a league first" Bullocks, the best situation is they leave for overseas asap and more aussie players get put into the system. This is how the Golden gen was formed I think they need to have decent offers from overseas first mate.... I'm frothing over Tilios strike too but sending the kid to play second division Iin Lithuania or to warm the bench in one of CFGs many warehouse clubs just so they can make a profit will NOT improve him as a player nor benefit the national squad in any way.
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+x+xhope none of them move unless gauranteed first teem action with 12 teams in the a league, the season is long enough and the standard is good enough that you shouldn't move unless you are absolutely dominating like aaron mooy get around 70 games minimum under your belt This ^^^ Learn from Arzani and only move to club that will play you! That strike from Tilio was Messi-like. He will go overseas (probably Europe) in next 2 years with plays & strikes like that Agreed
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+x+xWe really need all of the aleague contingent to move on to better leagues, primarily to allow the next generation space to take. This. Why it annoys me when many of you say "oh but they should stay and play 1000 games in a league first" Bullocks, the best situation is they leave for overseas asap and more aussie players get put into the system. This is how the Golden gen was formed Actually the vast majority of the golden gen established themselves here before moving overeas Here is the oz domestic games before transferring for those who started here Emerton: 94 Chipperfield: 134 Viduka: 48 Bresciano: 37 Aloisi: 21 Culina: 53 Vince Grella: 53 Schwarzer: 58 Vidmar: 134 Skoko: 32 popovic: 167 sterjovski: 73 lazaridis: 101 Compare to recent aussie players who made it at a high level and started here (ucl or big 5) Jedinak: 137 Mooyzil: 102 leckie: 35 kruse: 59 rogic: 32 (including loan spell) Matt ryan: 80 Mabil: 61 More important than number of games of course is whether you are dominating the domestic league. At least 4 turnovers per game for a defender and at least 1 goal scorer point per 2 games for an attacker. Arzani probably would have made it if he didn't do his knee, now it is very tricky to come back because he doesn't have a wealth of experience to draw on. Many of these olyroos players simply need to get more experience before going over
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+x+x+xWe really need all of the aleague contingent to move on to better leagues, primarily to allow the next generation space to take. This. Why it annoys me when many of you say "oh but they should stay and play 1000 games in a league first" Bullocks, the best situation is they leave for overseas asap and more aussie players get put into the system. This is how the Golden gen was formed Actually the vast majority of the golden gen established themselves here before moving overeas Here is the oz domestic games before transferring for those who started here Emerton: 94 Chipperfield: 134 Viduka: 48 Bresciano: 37 Aloisi: 21 Culina: 53 Vince Grella: 53 Schwarzer: 58 Vidmar: 134 Skoko: 32 popovic: 167 sterjovski: 73 lazaridis: 101 Compare to recent aussie players who made it at a high level and started here (ucl or big 5) Jedinak: 137 Mooyzil: 102 leckie: 35 kruse: 59 rogic: 32 (including loan spell) Matt ryan: 80 Mabil: 61 More important than number of games of course is whether you are dominating the domestic league. At least 4 turnovers per game for a defender and at least 1 goal scorer point per 2 games for an attacker. Arzani probably would have made it if he didn't do his knee, now it is very tricky to come back because he doesn't have a wealth of experience to draw on. Many of these olyroos players simply need to get more experience before going over 21 games aloisi.. 32 skoko, 37 bresch. Thats nothing. They literally played 1 season then left at the first opportunity. The most important aspect to developing a quality team is the size of the talent pool. A lot more australian players were playing profeesionally globally in early 2000's which meant we had a larger playing pool to pick from...more players chanced their arm at overseas moves and if the going got tough didnt have the safety of a cushy contract in the a league to come back to . The other thing to note is the ages that those golden gen were playing those matches in the NSL... much younger than the generation at the bottom on your post. Most of the golden gen were starters at 17. This is the biggest problem with our current league and why covid was actually a major factor for the blossoming of this current talented generation. To continue this current momentum we need to introduce a youth cap into our matchday squads eg min 3 under 21
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+x+x+xWe really need all of the aleague contingent to move on to better leagues, primarily to allow the next generation space to take. This. Why it annoys me when many of you say "oh but they should stay and play 1000 games in a league first" Bullocks, the best situation is they leave for overseas asap and more aussie players get put into the system. This is how the Golden gen was formed I think they need to have decent offers from overseas first mate.... I'm frothing over Tilios strike too but sending the kid to play second division Iin Lithuania or to warm the bench in one of CFGs many warehouse clubs just so they can make a profit will NOT improve him as a player nor benefit the national squad in any way. Yes 1000% agree... but thats the issue with the A league since it came into existence - not many young players get played! And there's less playing spots than there was with the NSL. In a perfect world each club would be throwing their best young players in at the deep end at a young age like what happened with the golden gen in the late nineties, then they take the first offer to go overseas, and more young players get thrown in to replace. And the cycle continues. Like i keep saying there needs to be a youth cap on matchday squads
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+x+x+x+xWe really need all of the aleague contingent to move on to better leagues, primarily to allow the next generation space to take. This. Why it annoys me when many of you say "oh but they should stay and play 1000 games in a league first" Bullocks, the best situation is they leave for overseas asap and more aussie players get put into the system. This is how the Golden gen was formed Actually the vast majority of the golden gen established themselves here before moving overeas Here is the oz domestic games before transferring for those who started here Emerton: 94 Chipperfield: 134 Viduka: 48 Bresciano: 37 Aloisi: 21 Culina: 53 Vince Grella: 53 Schwarzer: 58 Vidmar: 134 Skoko: 32 popovic: 167 sterjovski: 73 lazaridis: 101 Compare to recent aussie players who made it at a high level and started here (ucl or big 5) Jedinak: 137 Mooyzil: 102 leckie: 35 kruse: 59 rogic: 32 (including loan spell) Matt ryan: 80 Mabil: 61 More important than number of games of course is whether you are dominating the domestic league. At least 4 turnovers per game for a defender and at least 1 goal scorer point per 2 games for an attacker. Arzani probably would have made it if he didn't do his knee, now it is very tricky to come back because he doesn't have a wealth of experience to draw on. Many of these olyroos players simply need to get more experience before going over 21 games aloisi.. 32 skoko, 37 bresch. Thats nothing. They literally played 1 season then left at the first opportunity. The most important aspect to developing a quality team is the size of the talent pool. A lot more australian players were playing profeesionally globally in early 2000's which meant we had a larger playing pool to pick from...more players chanced their arm at overseas moves and if the going got tough didnt have the safety of a cushy contract in the a league to come back to . The other thing to note is the ages that those golden gen were playing those matches in the NSL... much younger than the generation at the bottom on your post. Most of the golden gen were starters at 17. This is the biggest problem with our current league and why covid was actually a major factor for the blossoming of this current talented generation. To continue this current momentum we need to introduce a youth cap into our matchday squads eg min 3 under 21 those are the outliers and only aloisi has a comparable number of games to arzani and tillio. The average number of domestic games here for both recent and GG players was around 70-80 games. We've seen most of our best leave too early and amount to nothing. The players who did make it weren't necessarily the best, but seemed to make the right career choices. There was probably a bunch of wasted talent around then as well who left too early I agree it would be nice to have players get more games at a younger age. Hopefully a 2nd division will help that
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+x+x+x+x+xWe really need all of the aleague contingent to move on to better leagues, primarily to allow the next generation space to take. This. Why it annoys me when many of you say "oh but they should stay and play 1000 games in a league first" Bullocks, the best situation is they leave for overseas asap and more aussie players get put into the system. This is how the Golden gen was formed Actually the vast majority of the golden gen established themselves here before moving overeas Here is the oz domestic games before transferring for those who started here Emerton: 94 Chipperfield: 134 Viduka: 48 Bresciano: 37 Aloisi: 21 Culina: 53 Vince Grella: 53 Schwarzer: 58 Vidmar: 134 Skoko: 32 popovic: 167 sterjovski: 73 lazaridis: 101 Compare to recent aussie players who made it at a high level and started here (ucl or big 5) Jedinak: 137 Mooyzil: 102 leckie: 35 kruse: 59 rogic: 32 (including loan spell) Matt ryan: 80 Mabil: 61 More important than number of games of course is whether you are dominating the domestic league. At least 4 turnovers per game for a defender and at least 1 goal scorer point per 2 games for an attacker. Arzani probably would have made it if he didn't do his knee, now it is very tricky to come back because he doesn't have a wealth of experience to draw on. Many of these olyroos players simply need to get more experience before going over 21 games aloisi.. 32 skoko, 37 bresch. Thats nothing. They literally played 1 season then left at the first opportunity. The most important aspect to developing a quality team is the size of the talent pool. A lot more australian players were playing profeesionally globally in early 2000's which meant we had a larger playing pool to pick from...more players chanced their arm at overseas moves and if the going got tough didnt have the safety of a cushy contract in the a league to come back to . The other thing to note is the ages that those golden gen were playing those matches in the NSL... much younger than the generation at the bottom on your post. Most of the golden gen were starters at 17. This is the biggest problem with our current league and why covid was actually a major factor for the blossoming of this current talented generation. To continue this current momentum we need to introduce a youth cap into our matchday squads eg min 3 under 21 those are the outliers and only aloisi has a comparable number of games to arzani and tillio. The average number of domestic games here for both recent and GG players was around 70-80 games. We've seen most of our best leave too early and amount to nothing. The players who did make it weren't necessarily the best, but seemed to make the right career choices. There was probably a bunch of wasted talent around then as well who left too early I agree it would be nice to have players get more games at a younger age. Hopefully a 2nd division will help that The other argument is the match minutes needing to accumulate before heading overseas is crucial too, I think PFA have a report on this as well as the FFA Performance Gap report. For example Pedri who will we see tonight has played over 5000 minutes this season as an 18, for an Australian player to reach similar numbers it would take several seasons playing here. Point being playing time is so important for young players especially around 17-23, so if they go overseas they better play otherwise as we seen with Arzani their development will stagnate. The issue isnt itself of selling players quickly and opening up a new spot for the next one its more the opportunities that are needing for our players, the NSLs biggest advantage was the amount of teams available to play in the NSL whilst having a year round season which included the national youth league and state season together for players to develop under the NSL. In the aleague era we haven't been close to replicating this, firstly because aleague clubs weren't allowed to field reserve teams in the NPL and then the NYL got cut short so decisions haven't been made whats best for player development and we have paid a price for it. Whilst the lack of pro opportunities have been obvious, this season and last have different due to covid but it shows when they play it helps us develop more players.
It would be nice if we can replicate what worked in the NSL era with the current NPL but also bring back or extend the NYL with a longer season too so they playing more and helping the youth teams as well as the Olyroos.
I hope going forward Football Australia continue to push this case forward whilst the APL have the aleague as their property the game continues to work together so the game can achieve all of its main objectives.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWe really need all of the aleague contingent to move on to better leagues, primarily to allow the next generation space to take. This. Why it annoys me when many of you say "oh but they should stay and play 1000 games in a league first" Bullocks, the best situation is they leave for overseas asap and more aussie players get put into the system. This is how the Golden gen was formed Actually the vast majority of the golden gen established themselves here before moving overeas Here is the oz domestic games before transferring for those who started here Emerton: 94 Chipperfield: 134 Viduka: 48 Bresciano: 37 Aloisi: 21 Culina: 53 Vince Grella: 53 Schwarzer: 58 Vidmar: 134 Skoko: 32 popovic: 167 sterjovski: 73 lazaridis: 101 Compare to recent aussie players who made it at a high level and started here (ucl or big 5) Jedinak: 137 Mooyzil: 102 leckie: 35 kruse: 59 rogic: 32 (including loan spell) Matt ryan: 80 Mabil: 61 More important than number of games of course is whether you are dominating the domestic league. At least 4 turnovers per game for a defender and at least 1 goal scorer point per 2 games for an attacker. Arzani probably would have made it if he didn't do his knee, now it is very tricky to come back because he doesn't have a wealth of experience to draw on. Many of these olyroos players simply need to get more experience before going over 21 games aloisi.. 32 skoko, 37 bresch. Thats nothing. They literally played 1 season then left at the first opportunity. The most important aspect to developing a quality team is the size of the talent pool. A lot more australian players were playing profeesionally globally in early 2000's which meant we had a larger playing pool to pick from...more players chanced their arm at overseas moves and if the going got tough didnt have the safety of a cushy contract in the a league to come back to . The other thing to note is the ages that those golden gen were playing those matches in the NSL... much younger than the generation at the bottom on your post. Most of the golden gen were starters at 17. This is the biggest problem with our current league and why covid was actually a major factor for the blossoming of this current talented generation. To continue this current momentum we need to introduce a youth cap into our matchday squads eg min 3 under 21 those are the outliers and only aloisi has a comparable number of games to arzani and tillio. The average number of domestic games here for both recent and GG players was around 70-80 games. We've seen most of our best leave too early and amount to nothing. The players who did make it weren't necessarily the best, but seemed to make the right career choices. There was probably a bunch of wasted talent around then as well who left too early I agree it would be nice to have players get more games at a younger age. Hopefully a 2nd division will help that The other argument is the match minutes needing to accumulate before heading overseas is crucial too, I think PFA have a report on this as well as the FFA Performance Gap report. For example Pedri who will we see tonight has played over 5000 minutes this season as an 18, for an Australian player to reach similar numbers it would take several seasons playing here. Point being playing time is so important for young players especially around 17-23, so if they go overseas they better play otherwise as we seen with Arzani their development will stagnate. The issue isnt itself of selling players quickly and opening up a new spot for the next one its more the opportunities that are needing for our players, the NSLs biggest advantage was the amount of teams available to play in the NSL whilst having a year round season which included the national youth league and state season together for players to develop under the NSL. In the aleague era we haven't been close to replicating this, firstly because aleague clubs weren't allowed to field reserve teams in the NPL and then the NYL got cut short so decisions haven't been made whats best for player development and we have paid a price for it. Whilst the lack of pro opportunities have been obvious, this season and last have different due to covid but it shows when they play it helps us develop more players.
It would be nice if we can replicate what worked in the NSL era with the current NPL but also bring back or extend the NYL with a longer season too so they playing more and helping the youth teams as well as the Olyroos.
I hope going forward Football Australia continue to push this case forward whilst the APL have the aleague as their property the game continues to work together so the game can achieve all of its main objectives. Well we now have 12 teams at a similar level which helps. We probably want a few more teams and a second division. Since we have more foreigners we probably need 20 teams to give the same number of opportunities to young players as we did back then.
I wish we would do chinas policy of three foreign players. Helps us in the acl and makes sure the foreign players are really lifting the level of the league, and not just blocking pathways
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+x+x+xWe really need all of the aleague contingent to move on to better leagues, primarily to allow the next generation space to take. This. Why it annoys me when many of you say "oh but they should stay and play 1000 games in a league first" Bullocks, the best situation is they leave for overseas asap and more aussie players get put into the system. This is how the Golden gen was formed Actually the vast majority of the golden gen established themselves here before moving overeas Here is the oz domestic games before transferring for those who started here Emerton: 94 Chipperfield: 134 Viduka: 48 Bresciano: 37 Aloisi: 21 Culina: 53 Vince Grella: 53 Schwarzer: 58 Vidmar: 134 Skoko: 32 popovic: 167 sterjovski: 73 lazaridis: 101 Compare to recent aussie players who made it at a high level and started here (ucl or big 5) Jedinak: 137 Mooyzil: 102 leckie: 35 kruse: 59 rogic: 32 (including loan spell) Matt ryan: 80 Mabil: 61 More important than number of games of course is whether you are dominating the domestic league. At least 4 turnovers per game for a defender and at least 1 goal scorer point per 2 games for an attacker. Arzani probably would have made it if he didn't do his knee, now it is very tricky to come back because he doesn't have a wealth of experience to draw on. Many of these olyroos players simply need to get more experience before going over So basically aside from Brett Emerton, the best of that bunch played a couple of seasons max in Aus before leaving and were still no older than 20 when they left. Emerton only having just turned 21 when he went Dutch. Meanwhile, the two most significant players of that generation left without having played a single minute of senior football in Australia; Harry Kewell and Tim Cahill. Lucas Neill also left without a senior game. From that, my inference is that talented young footballers should be well gone from Australian shores before the age of 21 if they wish to become a notable player in the big 4-5 leagues. If they wish to become world-class, then they need to leave in their teens.The technical quality gap (however small) between Australian footballers and European footballers only increases from the early teenage years. By the age of 21, that gap is a gulf. It's necessary to be competing at the highest level possible as young as possible. This is no different in any other sport. World-class youth footballers aren't exactly flocking to Australia to develop their footballing skills.
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More teams, longer season, national second division. The problem will sort itself out.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe really need all of the aleague contingent to move on to better leagues, primarily to allow the next generation space to take. This. Why it annoys me when many of you say "oh but they should stay and play 1000 games in a league first" Bullocks, the best situation is they leave for overseas asap and more aussie players get put into the system. This is how the Golden gen was formed Actually the vast majority of the golden gen established themselves here before moving overeas Here is the oz domestic games before transferring for those who started here Emerton: 94 Chipperfield: 134 Viduka: 48 Bresciano: 37 Aloisi: 21 Culina: 53 Vince Grella: 53 Schwarzer: 58 Vidmar: 134 Skoko: 32 popovic: 167 sterjovski: 73 lazaridis: 101 Compare to recent aussie players who made it at a high level and started here (ucl or big 5) Jedinak: 137 Mooyzil: 102 leckie: 35 kruse: 59 rogic: 32 (including loan spell) Matt ryan: 80 Mabil: 61 More important than number of games of course is whether you are dominating the domestic league. At least 4 turnovers per game for a defender and at least 1 goal scorer point per 2 games for an attacker. Arzani probably would have made it if he didn't do his knee, now it is very tricky to come back because he doesn't have a wealth of experience to draw on. Many of these olyroos players simply need to get more experience before going over 21 games aloisi.. 32 skoko, 37 bresch. Thats nothing. They literally played 1 season then left at the first opportunity. The most important aspect to developing a quality team is the size of the talent pool. A lot more australian players were playing profeesionally globally in early 2000's which meant we had a larger playing pool to pick from...more players chanced their arm at overseas moves and if the going got tough didnt have the safety of a cushy contract in the a league to come back to . The other thing to note is the ages that those golden gen were playing those matches in the NSL... much younger than the generation at the bottom on your post. Most of the golden gen were starters at 17. This is the biggest problem with our current league and why covid was actually a major factor for the blossoming of this current talented generation. To continue this current momentum we need to introduce a youth cap into our matchday squads eg min 3 under 21 those are the outliers and only aloisi has a comparable number of games to arzani and tillio. The average number of domestic games here for both recent and GG players was around 70-80 games. We've seen most of our best leave too early and amount to nothing. The players who did make it weren't necessarily the best, but seemed to make the right career choices. There was probably a bunch of wasted talent around then as well who left too early I agree it would be nice to have players get more games at a younger age. Hopefully a 2nd division will help that The other argument is the match minutes needing to accumulate before heading overseas is crucial too, I think PFA have a report on this as well as the FFA Performance Gap report. For example Pedri who will we see tonight has played over 5000 minutes this season as an 18, for an Australian player to reach similar numbers it would take several seasons playing here. Point being playing time is so important for young players especially around 17-23, so if they go overseas they better play otherwise as we seen with Arzani their development will stagnate. The issue isnt itself of selling players quickly and opening up a new spot for the next one its more the opportunities that are needing for our players, the NSLs biggest advantage was the amount of teams available to play in the NSL whilst having a year round season which included the national youth league and state season together for players to develop under the NSL. In the aleague era we haven't been close to replicating this, firstly because aleague clubs weren't allowed to field reserve teams in the NPL and then the NYL got cut short so decisions haven't been made whats best for player development and we have paid a price for it. Whilst the lack of pro opportunities have been obvious, this season and last have different due to covid but it shows when they play it helps us develop more players.
It would be nice if we can replicate what worked in the NSL era with the current NPL but also bring back or extend the NYL with a longer season too so they playing more and helping the youth teams as well as the Olyroos.
I hope going forward Football Australia continue to push this case forward whilst the APL have the aleague as their property the game continues to work together so the game can achieve all of its main objectives. Well we now have 12 teams at a similar level which helps. We probably want a few more teams and a second division. Since we have more foreigners we probably need 20 teams to give the same number of opportunities to young players as we did back then.
I wish we would do chinas policy of three foreign players. Helps us in the acl and makes sure the foreign players are really lifting the level of the league, and not just blocking pathways Im no fan of quotas, we can't ignore the quality that foreign players do to up skill the level too so its important there is a balance for that. Youth development is a numbers game, the more opportunities there is the more quality we can develop through that.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe really need all of the aleague contingent to move on to better leagues, primarily to allow the next generation space to take. This. Why it annoys me when many of you say "oh but they should stay and play 1000 games in a league first" Bullocks, the best situation is they leave for overseas asap and more aussie players get put into the system. This is how the Golden gen was formed Actually the vast majority of the golden gen established themselves here before moving overeas Here is the oz domestic games before transferring for those who started here Emerton: 94 Chipperfield: 134 Viduka: 48 Bresciano: 37 Aloisi: 21 Culina: 53 Vince Grella: 53 Schwarzer: 58 Vidmar: 134 Skoko: 32 popovic: 167 sterjovski: 73 lazaridis: 101 Compare to recent aussie players who made it at a high level and started here (ucl or big 5) Jedinak: 137 Mooyzil: 102 leckie: 35 kruse: 59 rogic: 32 (including loan spell) Matt ryan: 80 Mabil: 61 More important than number of games of course is whether you are dominating the domestic league. At least 4 turnovers per game for a defender and at least 1 goal scorer point per 2 games for an attacker. Arzani probably would have made it if he didn't do his knee, now it is very tricky to come back because he doesn't have a wealth of experience to draw on. Many of these olyroos players simply need to get more experience before going over 21 games aloisi.. 32 skoko, 37 bresch. Thats nothing. They literally played 1 season then left at the first opportunity. The most important aspect to developing a quality team is the size of the talent pool. A lot more australian players were playing profeesionally globally in early 2000's which meant we had a larger playing pool to pick from...more players chanced their arm at overseas moves and if the going got tough didnt have the safety of a cushy contract in the a league to come back to . The other thing to note is the ages that those golden gen were playing those matches in the NSL... much younger than the generation at the bottom on your post. Most of the golden gen were starters at 17. This is the biggest problem with our current league and why covid was actually a major factor for the blossoming of this current talented generation. To continue this current momentum we need to introduce a youth cap into our matchday squads eg min 3 under 21 those are the outliers and only aloisi has a comparable number of games to arzani and tillio. The average number of domestic games here for both recent and GG players was around 70-80 games. We've seen most of our best leave too early and amount to nothing. The players who did make it weren't necessarily the best, but seemed to make the right career choices. There was probably a bunch of wasted talent around then as well who left too early I agree it would be nice to have players get more games at a younger age. Hopefully a 2nd division will help that The other argument is the match minutes needing to accumulate before heading overseas is crucial too, I think PFA have a report on this as well as the FFA Performance Gap report. For example Pedri who will we see tonight has played over 5000 minutes this season as an 18, for an Australian player to reach similar numbers it would take several seasons playing here. Point being playing time is so important for young players especially around 17-23, so if they go overseas they better play otherwise as we seen with Arzani their development will stagnate. The issue isnt itself of selling players quickly and opening up a new spot for the next one its more the opportunities that are needing for our players, the NSLs biggest advantage was the amount of teams available to play in the NSL whilst having a year round season which included the national youth league and state season together for players to develop under the NSL. In the aleague era we haven't been close to replicating this, firstly because aleague clubs weren't allowed to field reserve teams in the NPL and then the NYL got cut short so decisions haven't been made whats best for player development and we have paid a price for it. Whilst the lack of pro opportunities have been obvious, this season and last have different due to covid but it shows when they play it helps us develop more players.
It would be nice if we can replicate what worked in the NSL era with the current NPL but also bring back or extend the NYL with a longer season too so they playing more and helping the youth teams as well as the Olyroos.
I hope going forward Football Australia continue to push this case forward whilst the APL have the aleague as their property the game continues to work together so the game can achieve all of its main objectives. Well we now have 12 teams at a similar level which helps. We probably want a few more teams and a second division. Since we have more foreigners we probably need 20 teams to give the same number of opportunities to young players as we did back then.
I wish we would do chinas policy of three foreign players. Helps us in the acl and makes sure the foreign players are really lifting the level of the league, and not just blocking pathways Im no fan of quotas, we can't ignore the quality that foreign players do to up skill the level too so its important there is a balance for that. Youth development is a numbers game, the more opportunities there is the more quality we can develop through that. Some of the foreigners in the league this year were peripheral. Janota and Jankovic for CCM. Muller and Mutch for WSW. Kudo for Brisbane. Baumjohann was mostly on the bench. Kurto for Western United. That's 7 contracts that could've been given to Aussie kids and NPL players, without any real change in the quality. Reduce visa spots to 4 and put the impetus on the clubs to sign the best Visa players possible.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe really need all of the aleague contingent to move on to better leagues, primarily to allow the next generation space to take. This. Why it annoys me when many of you say "oh but they should stay and play 1000 games in a league first" Bullocks, the best situation is they leave for overseas asap and more aussie players get put into the system. This is how the Golden gen was formed Actually the vast majority of the golden gen established themselves here before moving overeas Here is the oz domestic games before transferring for those who started here Emerton: 94 Chipperfield: 134 Viduka: 48 Bresciano: 37 Aloisi: 21 Culina: 53 Vince Grella: 53 Schwarzer: 58 Vidmar: 134 Skoko: 32 popovic: 167 sterjovski: 73 lazaridis: 101 Compare to recent aussie players who made it at a high level and started here (ucl or big 5) Jedinak: 137 Mooyzil: 102 leckie: 35 kruse: 59 rogic: 32 (including loan spell) Matt ryan: 80 Mabil: 61 More important than number of games of course is whether you are dominating the domestic league. At least 4 turnovers per game for a defender and at least 1 goal scorer point per 2 games for an attacker. Arzani probably would have made it if he didn't do his knee, now it is very tricky to come back because he doesn't have a wealth of experience to draw on. Many of these olyroos players simply need to get more experience before going over 21 games aloisi.. 32 skoko, 37 bresch. Thats nothing. They literally played 1 season then left at the first opportunity. The most important aspect to developing a quality team is the size of the talent pool. A lot more australian players were playing profeesionally globally in early 2000's which meant we had a larger playing pool to pick from...more players chanced their arm at overseas moves and if the going got tough didnt have the safety of a cushy contract in the a league to come back to . The other thing to note is the ages that those golden gen were playing those matches in the NSL... much younger than the generation at the bottom on your post. Most of the golden gen were starters at 17. This is the biggest problem with our current league and why covid was actually a major factor for the blossoming of this current talented generation. To continue this current momentum we need to introduce a youth cap into our matchday squads eg min 3 under 21 those are the outliers and only aloisi has a comparable number of games to arzani and tillio. The average number of domestic games here for both recent and GG players was around 70-80 games. We've seen most of our best leave too early and amount to nothing. The players who did make it weren't necessarily the best, but seemed to make the right career choices. There was probably a bunch of wasted talent around then as well who left too early I agree it would be nice to have players get more games at a younger age. Hopefully a 2nd division will help that The other argument is the match minutes needing to accumulate before heading overseas is crucial too, I think PFA have a report on this as well as the FFA Performance Gap report. For example Pedri who will we see tonight has played over 5000 minutes this season as an 18, for an Australian player to reach similar numbers it would take several seasons playing here. Point being playing time is so important for young players especially around 17-23, so if they go overseas they better play otherwise as we seen with Arzani their development will stagnate. The issue isnt itself of selling players quickly and opening up a new spot for the next one its more the opportunities that are needing for our players, the NSLs biggest advantage was the amount of teams available to play in the NSL whilst having a year round season which included the national youth league and state season together for players to develop under the NSL. In the aleague era we haven't been close to replicating this, firstly because aleague clubs weren't allowed to field reserve teams in the NPL and then the NYL got cut short so decisions haven't been made whats best for player development and we have paid a price for it. Whilst the lack of pro opportunities have been obvious, this season and last have different due to covid but it shows when they play it helps us develop more players.
It would be nice if we can replicate what worked in the NSL era with the current NPL but also bring back or extend the NYL with a longer season too so they playing more and helping the youth teams as well as the Olyroos.
I hope going forward Football Australia continue to push this case forward whilst the APL have the aleague as their property the game continues to work together so the game can achieve all of its main objectives. Well we now have 12 teams at a similar level which helps. We probably want a few more teams and a second division. Since we have more foreigners we probably need 20 teams to give the same number of opportunities to young players as we did back then.
I wish we would do chinas policy of three foreign players. Helps us in the acl and makes sure the foreign players are really lifting the level of the league, and not just blocking pathways Im no fan of quotas, we can't ignore the quality that foreign players do to up skill the level too so its important there is a balance for that. Youth development is a numbers game, the more opportunities there is the more quality we can develop through that. Some of the foreigners in the league this year were peripheral. Janota and Jankovic for CCM. Muller and Mutch for WSW. Kudo for Brisbane. Baumjohann was mostly on the bench. Kurto for Western United. That's 7 contracts that could've been given to Aussie kids and NPL players, without any real change in the quality. Reduce visa spots to 4 and put the impetus on the clubs to sign the best Visa players possible. If u had 3 all outside the cap the. They would be geniune quality
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe really need all of the aleague contingent to move on to better leagues, primarily to allow the next generation space to take. This. Why it annoys me when many of you say "oh but they should stay and play 1000 games in a league first" Bullocks, the best situation is they leave for overseas asap and more aussie players get put into the system. This is how the Golden gen was formed Actually the vast majority of the golden gen established themselves here before moving overeas Here is the oz domestic games before transferring for those who started here Emerton: 94 Chipperfield: 134 Viduka: 48 Bresciano: 37 Aloisi: 21 Culina: 53 Vince Grella: 53 Schwarzer: 58 Vidmar: 134 Skoko: 32 popovic: 167 sterjovski: 73 lazaridis: 101 Compare to recent aussie players who made it at a high level and started here (ucl or big 5) Jedinak: 137 Mooyzil: 102 leckie: 35 kruse: 59 rogic: 32 (including loan spell) Matt ryan: 80 Mabil: 61 More important than number of games of course is whether you are dominating the domestic league. At least 4 turnovers per game for a defender and at least 1 goal scorer point per 2 games for an attacker. Arzani probably would have made it if he didn't do his knee, now it is very tricky to come back because he doesn't have a wealth of experience to draw on. Many of these olyroos players simply need to get more experience before going over 21 games aloisi.. 32 skoko, 37 bresch. Thats nothing. They literally played 1 season then left at the first opportunity. The most important aspect to developing a quality team is the size of the talent pool. A lot more australian players were playing profeesionally globally in early 2000's which meant we had a larger playing pool to pick from...more players chanced their arm at overseas moves and if the going got tough didnt have the safety of a cushy contract in the a league to come back to . The other thing to note is the ages that those golden gen were playing those matches in the NSL... much younger than the generation at the bottom on your post. Most of the golden gen were starters at 17. This is the biggest problem with our current league and why covid was actually a major factor for the blossoming of this current talented generation. To continue this current momentum we need to introduce a youth cap into our matchday squads eg min 3 under 21 those are the outliers and only aloisi has a comparable number of games to arzani and tillio. The average number of domestic games here for both recent and GG players was around 70-80 games. We've seen most of our best leave too early and amount to nothing. The players who did make it weren't necessarily the best, but seemed to make the right career choices. There was probably a bunch of wasted talent around then as well who left too early I agree it would be nice to have players get more games at a younger age. Hopefully a 2nd division will help that The other argument is the match minutes needing to accumulate before heading overseas is crucial too, I think PFA have a report on this as well as the FFA Performance Gap report. For example Pedri who will we see tonight has played over 5000 minutes this season as an 18, for an Australian player to reach similar numbers it would take several seasons playing here. Point being playing time is so important for young players especially around 17-23, so if they go overseas they better play otherwise as we seen with Arzani their development will stagnate. The issue isnt itself of selling players quickly and opening up a new spot for the next one its more the opportunities that are needing for our players, the NSLs biggest advantage was the amount of teams available to play in the NSL whilst having a year round season which included the national youth league and state season together for players to develop under the NSL. In the aleague era we haven't been close to replicating this, firstly because aleague clubs weren't allowed to field reserve teams in the NPL and then the NYL got cut short so decisions haven't been made whats best for player development and we have paid a price for it. Whilst the lack of pro opportunities have been obvious, this season and last have different due to covid but it shows when they play it helps us develop more players.
It would be nice if we can replicate what worked in the NSL era with the current NPL but also bring back or extend the NYL with a longer season too so they playing more and helping the youth teams as well as the Olyroos.
I hope going forward Football Australia continue to push this case forward whilst the APL have the aleague as their property the game continues to work together so the game can achieve all of its main objectives. Well we now have 12 teams at a similar level which helps. We probably want a few more teams and a second division. Since we have more foreigners we probably need 20 teams to give the same number of opportunities to young players as we did back then.
I wish we would do chinas policy of three foreign players. Helps us in the acl and makes sure the foreign players are really lifting the level of the league, and not just blocking pathways Im no fan of quotas, we can't ignore the quality that foreign players do to up skill the level too so its important there is a balance for that. Youth development is a numbers game, the more opportunities there is the more quality we can develop through that. Some of the foreigners in the league this year were peripheral. Janota and Jankovic for CCM. Muller and Mutch for WSW. Kudo for Brisbane. Baumjohann was mostly on the bench. Kurto for Western United. That's 7 contracts that could've been given to Aussie kids and NPL players, without any real change in the quality. Reduce visa spots to 4 and put the impetus on the clubs to sign the best Visa players possible. If u had 3 all outside the cap the. They would be geniune quality Its not the cap that is limiting the quality of foreigners playing here mate, its the ability/desire of the clubs to pay for premium players....
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