Hey LFC, its only wild wild rumours at this stage but OS may soon have quite a bit of local football content. They have already started a mjni magazine type show, not sure if you caught it? With EPL  Bundi,  Serie A and even decent amount about Aleague news.... they were talking up the Melbourne derby this week.... 

ah ok assuming from media reports.
Both of us know sweet FA and the media talk crap 99.9% of time but we can only guess what a corp backroom intent is, I'm sure there would have been plenty discussion......

From the outside I think they made the right call by the look of it, then again being KBR is there and the type of product OS does provide be more like wish they did as MSC quotes as well..
Stumping up the extra to extend their EPL contract you would have been a mug not doing so due to its good subscriber base.
I have not noticed any diff in my regular viewing of OS.
Nothing has changed barring losing CL/EL.

Sounds like old Kelly Bayer Rosmarin would know exactly what sort of subscriber numbers the Isuzu truck men and women could bring to Optus and smartly made sure they didn't bid for that albatros around their necks. Smart move.

No inside info, just going off the media reports that Optus did not even bid for the A-League or the FA package. The only serious bidders were Paramount and Stan. 

At the time Optus were paying $60m per year for the EPL. Logically you'd think they could see some value in the A-League: win subscribers who aren't already on their service, maybe increase monthly fees due to the extra content, a winter season as was being mooted could even have helped retain customers over the fallow EPL off-season. They could have partnered with SBS or 7 or someone to make a play for rights. But no, they didn't submit a bid.

Then six months later they magically find another $40m a year for the new EPL rights. At the same time they seem to have cut back on production values and are mainly just relaying the international feed (which may be what viewers prefer anyway).

Keep in mind the CEO of Optus (Kelly Bayer Rosmarin) was part of the Lowy FFA board, and quit shortly after they got dumped. "Careful what you wish for."

df just curious have you the inside info on OptusS to make these comments ?
Just wondering being your talking as if you know what they had in their minds or just assuming.
The way I see it from research there was a curve ball that in the USA Turner Sports and Univision both had the rights to the Champions/Europa Leagues, they were paying UEFA approximately US$100 million per season but they opted OUT on resigning hence FIFA infact approached CBS/Univision and they allegedly paying US$140M P/A so Optus obviously lost out and no wonder they went the extra mile paying to extend their EPL contract, who wouldn't, if thats your "core" premium product its logical going hard to keep it thats competition whereas CBS decided not to counter offer for the EPL as you have eluded.
They like any telco/or media conglomerates are parisites period incl CBS no matter they investing here, FOX did the same through the honeymoon period as we all saw, everyone rejoiced didn't they.....
Lets all re visit this in the following years, in the big picture when the chips are down one day like every OS backer they couldn't give a stuff what happens here in the end.
Its dollars and viewers, FOX saw the writing on the wall years ago besides their internal probs, AL and Union were basket case's for them after the highs.....
 
 

Hahaha they are pretty hardcore? Losers. hahahahhah Apparently the "No License" banner was being lovingly guarded by the WU CEO??? Thats so funny man. hahahahahah I felt so sorry for the Calder girls and their parents having 15 year old chanting "come on you girls in green" through a megaphone when Calder's colours are still blue and white.../ How disrespectful.. hahahahahah what absolute try hards.....

South have 10 players in the W league so they essentially beat a mixture of our under 19s and even younger.

The Western flogs had a banner at the ground that said "no license" and were trying to bait South supporters into a confrontation. Absolute tinpot club.

So your basically saying that WU would NOT be "saved" from relegation because of a lack of fans? hahahahahah thats so sad for them, I agree.

Which "United" are you a customer of mate? Sorry you'll have to be more specific? Hahahahha lighten up mate, its almost Christmas. 

100% all of this.

Particularly a central fund to equalise travel costs.

Once you start exempting clubs from relegation for any reason (whether geographical or because they're too big to go down), you've screwed the integrity of the process. This happened in the NSL's attempts to have pro-rel and it turned it into a farce, with South Melbourne for instance saved from relegation because it had too many fans (oh the irony). Just accept that maybe one year a team like the Glory will go down and hope that they bounce back up again. Travel costs for the NSD should be centralised, so that no team is penalised for their location, and if you have the odd NZ or WA team the extra costs are spread around the league as a whole.

aha me?

I used to come here to talk about United games and Socceroos games and it was an enjoyable place. 

Little boring pissants like you do nothing but post negative bullshit spending hours a week putting down something you hate to people who like that something with the same point over and over and over and over and over again.

What pleasure you get from yucking someone's yum is beyond me. 

Those scenarios above are EXACTLY what you do on here.

If you can't see that it's pathetic, seek help.

Well, that was better then NPLtv with a couple,of cameras but did have broadcast issues , especially with audio. And what the f#ck is with the sideline reporter being asked her opinion during the game like they do in the AFL,,,, that shit is so plastic Optus - DO NOT DO IT AGAIN. PLEEEEEASE........ Otherwise Joey Lynch is an absolute pro and MUST be involved in NSD broadcasting and Bubbs has always been a legend, wouldn't mind her being involved also.
Match was a bust from the South Melbourne POV girls did their best, had a goal not awarded and fell to a dominating Calder, who's s second goal was an absolute screamer, well worth the watch for any neutrals  Well done to Calder, they where the  better team on the day and are deserved 4 tikes Nike Cup winners, pitty they cant defend their title as they cease to exist next year, looks like WU will have some silverware in their nin existent trophy cabinets after all...
Looked like a decent crowd but what was all the Western United fans and flags and shit? More trashy western plastics rock up to  support their NPL affiliate club that is yet to re-brand to WU than actually go see their men's team... hahahaha losers...,, Love their banner too , as if the 15 year old girls playing for our Womens NPL side cared about these losers having an Isuzu trucks league license....
https://mobile.twitter.com/PavlosTouliatos/status/1472432748623118338

I'm glad we now have the money and and possibly a broadcasting for a NSD I just hope we can provide immunity from p&r for glory and nix so we can keep the NSD as an east coast and SA in much the same way the og NSL was so that it can be manageable cost wise. 
I would start with 14 comp (3qld, 3nsw, 3vic, 2sa, 2nnsw, 1act) with 2up-2down p&r but Glory and Nix are exempt from relegation and WA and Tas clubs excluded from promotion

BULLSHIT........ If your gonna have a conversation at least base it on the truth you plastic piece of shit ( see I can get personal too  buddy)

Yep, been to many, many NPL-level games over the years, and I can tell you that your description is not representative of the 100+ clubs playing NPL. Eurosnobs by definition have no interest in the local game, whether A-League or NPL. The majority of people involved in NPL clubs are interested in the fortunes of Australian football as a whole, how players are developing, etc. There might be a few who are interested in NPL and European football only and have a deep antipathy for the A-League, but they are mostly concentrated in the crowd of NSL bitters you hang out with at South Melbourne games.

Ummmm df have you EVER been to a live soccer ground during an NPL match? I'm gonna have to call a massive bullshit on this... Find me one spectator at any suburban Melbourne ( and assume Australia wide) soccer ground, from state leagues to  NPL, on a Sunday afternoon match who not only knows all the EPL results, from that weekend and has an EPL club to follow and probably one or two others from other countries around the world they have varying  connections with.  Just one fan that isn't a so called "Eurosnob".... I bet you can't.  Every NPL match I have ever watched live is filled  with talk about Liverpool or Man U, Messi vs Ronaldo, the UEFA qualifiers etc etc. The Aleague is NEVER mentioned except for the rare FFA cup matches or when some clueless dildo or another decides to 'slum it with the peasants" and  rocks up to a Hellas game with a Victory cap on.  Or when Manchester City is discussed and their cheap Melbourne satellite club is ridiculed. Maybe other segments of your eurosnobbery ecosystem look down on the NPL but the NPL fans themselves are eurosnobs, as per your definition,  also ...... I hear this is frownd upon in franchise customer circles? Following the EPL is against the Aleague or something right?  Do your franchise owners not like you buying merchandise from other stores or something? Is it something to do with metrics or fishing where the fish are or something like that? Where is the overlap between Aleague and NPL by the way? When the Victory NPL side was in the NPLVIC1 they would get crowds less than  50???? to a game, what overlap? Where is the interest? 

WTF is wrong with you Davide? Seriously man, seek help.

The laughable thing is, the Eurosnobs look down their noses at the A-League, but they despise NPL even more, and that's if they are aware it even exists, which the vast majority of them aren't. There is far more overlap between interest in the A-League and interest in the NPL than between the EPL and the NPL, a few bitters like Mono excepted.

Optus are only showing the pre-season match because it's free so why not. They won't spend even a cent on broadcasting rights for local football, even if it is a "real Australian club competition" rather than a "shit Mickey Mouse league" (hahaha). Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.

Mono at a restaurant...
"What are you eating? Oh gross! That's disgusting how can you eat that crap?! I would never be caught dead here"

Mono at a bar.....
"Is that what you are going to order? Oh man, you have no idea how shit that drink is hahahahahaa"

Mono at his mate's house....
"you chose those tiles for your bathroom? Mate, I just don't know what to tell you if you think that's good taste"

Mono in a retail shop...
"is that really what you are going to sell? Good luck not closing down and losing your family bro hahahahaa hey calm down if you don't like what I'm saying it's you that has the problem hhaahahahahahaaaaa"

We get it mate, we get it

So Paramount bought the Aleague rights and Socceroos Matildas rights ( no local Australian football, no matter how you want to twist and turn the argument, just Aleague and ACL and Socceroos and Matildas.... FFA cup for this year only and still not on Paramaount, just ten play eh, what a coincidence?)  At a time when the foreign owners where on their knees and selling the cheapest and this is because CBS have a confidence in the sport.... and  nothing to do with the fact that they couldn't acquire any other sport here and CFG assured them they would sell equity to Silver Lake if they did so? .  OK If you say so. 
Don't get me wrong, Optus are absolutely using footballs popularity to their benefit too but to suggest Paramount are football saviours and Optus parasites for showing EPL? Hahaah that's delusional... What about Stan, are they parasites too? Hahahahahah Bein? 
Oh and BTW why would the premier event series in Australian  franchise football need the EPL to cross promote like you said.... people who watch the EPL look down their noses at the Aleague and won't watch it you said, I certainly don't its a shit Mickey Mouse competition so maybe your right. I'll join the majority of football fans in this country in watching Liverpool or Chelsea or Spurs tomorrow morning on the parasitic streaming service and for the next 6 years.... Whatever happens it will always be the most popular soccer, and maybe sport code overall in this country. HOPEFULLY parasitic Optus streaming a real Australian club competition  on Sunday is a success for them and they go on to get a taste of what it is their viewers know and want,  and push for more.  I'd rather team up with a parasite that also have the EPL than a parasite that only has Aleague to offer as an alternative.....

Paramount decided to put in around $60-70m per year to Australian football (combining the APL and FA contracts), at a moment when the sport was at its most fragile. They have demonstrated confidence in the local game and a willingness to promote it and broadcast it widely (including FTA games on 10 for both internationals and league matches). Their current deal with the FFA means they will almost certainly be the broadcaster for an NSD when it comes into existence.

Optus has shown zero interest in investing in the local game at any level. Not Socceroos, not A-League, not NPL, and I doubt they will show an interest in the NSD. It would be a different matter if they made a substantive bid and lost out to Paramount, but they made no effort to do so. Their business model relies on squeezing money from Eurosnobs who look down their noses at local football, and in doing so they are limiting the reach of Australian football (since many fans will be more apprehensive about subscribing to two separate streaming services and there won't be the chance to cross-promote the leagues). You yourself said having everything on the same platform would be ideal for everyone, and the existence of Optus has thwarted that possibility for at least the next six years.

That's why what they're doing is parasitic.

Sorry yes, that is exactly what I meant, just phrased it wrong.... 

I'd say the Optus approach is more about signing up people to Mobile and Internet plans rather than making money directly from the actual content. I know a bunch of people that switched their mobile and internet plans over to Optus purely for the included access to the EPL. The football is just a carrot to Optus. If a person is paying $65 per month with another Mobile carrier, they are not going to then go pay Optus $15 a month for the EPL. Instead they'll just switch over.

So hang on, let me get this straight. You are upset with a broadcaster like Optus NOT wanting to bid for any Aleague "content" for whatever reason their business plan dictates, yet in the same breath expect a "mature approach" by whom exactly? If anything, as proven by Foxtel, its the APL who needs to be on the same brodacast as EPL NOT the other way around.These broadcasters are in it to make money right? A synergy between Euro Leagues, Australian Football and Franchise football would be the ideal for everyone here but that isnt going to happen anytime soon.
* Optus sees their value, presumably, in subscription driven by EPL and Korean/Japan leagues and their 1 mill subscribers (although I agree a huge chunk of these would not even care ) proves their gamble paid off. I hope they realise that the local Australian game can get them a few hundred thousand more subscriptions, and if so they will, again hopefully, drive the need for a NSD and a fixed pyramid for Australian football.
* Paramount are doing the same thing, gambling on the Aleague and the ACL/Socceroos/Matilda's rights to boost their streaming service subscription numbers...  What have they EVER done for the local game... or let me rephrase, what WILL they do for the local game?  Optus has made the first move streaming the Womens Vic Cup final, wake me up when Paramount streams a non Aleague/FFA cup game in this country

??? We already have an NPL which does EXACTLY what you described mate... Thats what everyone is up in arms about.......
"in JJ's words not perfect but is affordable and can be the path to follow to a more traditional second division... " Ofcourse its affordable, it has been going for nearly 9 years now............. I get you have big faith in ol' JJ but surely even you can see he is taking the piss sometimes.... changing the names of NPLVIC, NPLSA, NPL NSW etc etc and calling them all NSD(insert state here) isn't doing ANYTHING!!!!!!!! Its not even pretending to do anything.

They weren't even interested in bidding for the A-League when the rights came up, even though they clearly had some money stashed away (since they were able to increase the amount spent on EPL rights from $60m to $100m a year). And not just A-League, they didn't bid for the FA's Socceroos/ACL/FFA Cup package either. They haven't spent a cent on broadcasting or promoting NPL or grassroots level football, except for the handful of documentaries you mention (and they aren't even doing these any more as far as I can tell).

A more mature approach would see a synergy between broadcasting Euro leagues and Australian football. This worked well for Fox Sports for a time, and this was the thinking behind Paramount's bid, but they were trumped by Optus, who will now spend $100m a year to stroke the egos of Eurosnobs while doing nothing for the local game.

Me too..... CBS IMO doing an amazing job we have more content than ever before and a lot on 10 play so its free... Tara become a regular on the Project as an example....

Things don't change overnight and many people kinda wanta to go from whatever position we find ourselves in to a traditional FIFA model overnight.... 

You can't change decades of administration overnight I honestly think we are on the right path... further will are  laying plans to evolve .... best example I have is the discussion of the second division.... JJ has said their are a number of models being discussed... the best is a national one with a number of teams... However... this may be too expensive ... so a regional approach with regional competitions being played with some kinda regional play off knock out competition... tis in JJ's words not perfect but is affordable and can be the path to follow to a more traditional second division... 

I also agree with those who say we should start to respect past and present clubs for achievements take South Melbourne & Sydney United as example of clubs that produced heaps of juniors going on to be Socceroos... equally take my Mariners who have given the first professional game I think to 12 Socceroos including 4 who have captained the Socceroos... 

Yeah I saw that mate and wasn't questioning it. More so that CBS would be involved in any way as a broadcast deal .... who knows, I hope they do. 

This is an odd angle? Why would Optus promote the Aleague? They pay $100 million a year to show the EPL because that is what football fans want to see in Australia. The fact that Optus ALONE have been talking up anything even remotely to do with football in Australia outside the franchises is proof that they actually care about the game....  They dont care about the APL or the 12 x franchises ROI nor should they.... The make documentaries about local football clubs and communites, and do it bloody well too - where is the Aleague engagement?
Youve got this the other way around, its the APL itself that should want to align with the "rest of Australian football" but 17 years and counting (apart from the FFA cup which is an ethnic food reality show for the Aleaguers) they clearly dont want to engage......