Widely-accepted "Cancel Culture" now morphing into political totalitarianism


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Butler99 - 29 Jan 2022 7:08 PM
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Goes both ways. 

Conservativism Inspires silly leftism. 
Liberalism inspires silly conservatism. 

Everyone just needs to shut up and just worry about their own lives. 
As opposed to the desire to control what others do. 

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2022/1/28/22906501/seattle-school-bans-to-kill-a-mockingbird-over-racism-concerns-as-wave-of-book-challenges-continues

I grew up as a kid watching "To Kill A Mockingbird" on black & white TV, and it credit this movie with forming in me a lifetime value system of standing against racism. I also admired how Atticus Finch fought for justice (but that's a story for another time).

I automatically assumed that Martin Luther King's -- "not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character" -- was the unchallengeable yardstick of what all races should aspire to. Indeed, friends from Asia cite Martin Luther King when they advocate all races living together. MLK's speech is, after all, common sense.

It came, therefore, as a shock that the modern Leftist movement is de-constructing MLK. You'll find it pleasurable to see this video by a stunning woman, Georgia H, who saw the light, and walked away from Leftism. She tells how the modern Leftist movement is drawing young people away from the plain meaning of MLK's speech, and giving it a twisted interpretation.

I think it's important for most of you regulars mockers on this forum to view this video, because it's clear you have not yet had the lightbulb moment that this young woman Georgia H had. Even if you don't agree with her in this video, it's a privilege to see and hear this intelligent woman speak plain common sense.

https://youtu.be/flp7gKg5G4E





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Not cancelled. 
But a trigger warning for 1984??? 
Apparently it's offensive according to a British University

https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/01/24/now-even-1984-comes-with-a-trigger-warning/
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Butler99 - 30 Jan 2022 4:25 PM
Not cancelled. 
But a trigger warning for 1984??? 
Apparently it's offensive according to a British University

https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/01/24/now-even-1984-comes-with-a-trigger-warning/

But such people -- because of their education, influences, upbringing, the people their admire etc --- when they engage in this cancellation of other opinions, they do so with every fibre of their being feeling it is the right thing to do. Those kids who are employed by the social media giants, who anonymously ban established voices by deleting their posts and YouTube channels, they probably think it is the right thing to do.

In our grandfather's generation in Europe, there were many kids and young people who went along with the program, fully believing it. Now, those same people, now when they are old men and women, they reflect on what they did in their youth. They say they were just doing what they were told. Others knew what they were doing.
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Our very own federal government is potentially bringing in cyber legislation to silence dissent and here you are taking about uni morons and their trigger warnings in the UK. 


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I also find it fascinating that John Smith is so concerned about cancel culture, given his promotion of Craig Kelly.

Craig Kelly and the United Australia Party are entirely funded by Clive Palmer, who uses his enormous wealth and power to sue anybody who dares to criticise him in public into submission. 

Craig Kelly also blocks anyone on his social media pages that says anything that he doesn't agree with.

Are you ok with that?

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podcasts are problematic

while we have safety regulations with other forms of media which have served us well for a century, there's currently nothing stopping someone spreading dangerous rhetoric which has the potential to harm thousands as we seen with the January 6 insurrection or vaccine misinformation,  which has the potential to harm millions by going against expert advice.
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cesspit - 1 Feb 2022 12:58 AM
podcasts are problematic

while we have safety regulations with other forms of media which have served us well for a century, there's currently nothing stopping someone spreading dangerous rhetoric which has the potential to harm thousands as we seen with the January 6 insurrection or vaccine misinformation,  which has the potential to harm millions by going against expert advice.

Many people are one-dimensional in their thinking, in that the below-average thinker cannot think in terms of more than one alternative.

Here are two alternatives:

1) IF there was no election-fraud by the Democrat organisation, then the J6 protesters were .... whatever the Democrat-controlled and Left-leaning Media calls them.

2) IF there was targeted election-fraud particularly in a very small number of vital counties in AZ, GA, PA, WI, MI and VA, then those J6 protesters are modern heroes held as political prisoners.




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cesspit - 1 Feb 2022 12:58 AM

Many people are one-dimensional in their thinking, in that the below-average thinker cannot think in terms of more than one alternative.

Here are two alternatives:

1) IF there was no election-fraud by the Democrat organisation, then the J6 protesters were .... whatever the Democrat-controlled and Left-leaning Media calls them.

2) IF there was targeted election-fraud particularly in a very small number of vital counties in AZ, GA, PA, WI, MI and VA, then those J6 protesters are modern heroes held as political prisoners.




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Over 500 books in highs schools  across southern US states currently being petitioned to be banned by the defenders of free speech.


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cesspit - 1 Feb 2022 12:58 AM
podcasts are problematic

while we have safety regulations with other forms of media which have served us well for a century, there's currently nothing stopping someone spreading dangerous rhetoric which has the potential to harm thousands as we seen with the January 6 insurrection or vaccine misinformation,  which has the potential to harm millions by going against expert advice.

So what's your username on that other wackjob forum.  We all know that's where you have come from.  Your trolling dribble is fooling nobody.  



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ErogenousZone - 7 Feb 2022 11:53 AM
cesspit - 1 Feb 2022 12:58 AM

So what's your username on that other wackjob forum.  We all know that's where you have come from.  Your trolling dribble is fooling nobody.  



I don't even know why he bothers.  The only one who seems to be fooled in John Smith

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tsf - 7 Feb 2022 10:41 AM
Over 500 books in highs schools  across southern US states currently being petitioned to be banned by the defenders of free speech.


It's only cancel culture if it's applied against something the right likes.
Religious folk protesting and trying to ban things they don't like has been going on a LOT longer than the term "Cancel Culture" has been around.




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petszk - 7 Feb 2022 3:37 PM
tsf - 7 Feb 2022 10:41 AM

It's only cancel culture if it's applied against something the right likes.
Religious folk protesting and trying to ban things they don't like has been going on a LOT longer than the term "Cancel Culture" has been around.


My favourite one was when Israel Folau made the comments about how people deserved to die in the black summer bushfires and all of the conservative shock jocks supporting his homophobic comments did a 180 and we're suddenly shouting "you cant say that!".



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gentlemen…the party of free speech and anti cancel culture 

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/florida-s-trump-rival-governor-bans-maths-books-citing-prohibited-race-debate-20220417-p5ae0f.html

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That's a response to the  Critical Race Theorists claim that Maths is Racist.  Once the Woke Class reached Peak Stupid, something had to be done.  This is it.
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Enzo Bearzot - 20 Apr 2022 12:09 PM


That's a response to the  Critical Race Theorists claim that Maths is Racist.  Once the Woke Class reached Peak Stupid, something had to be done.  This is it.

If you're going to claim to be a defender of free speech you must protect ideas theories that disagree with. 

Conservatives love to go on about "free speech" or being anti "cancel culture" but it's increasingly clear many don't actually care beyond whatever they agree with or believe in. 






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sydneyfc1987 - 20 Apr 2022 12:50 PM
Enzo Bearzot - 20 Apr 2022 12:09 PM

If you're going to claim to be a defender of free speech you must protect ideas theories that disagree with. 

Conservatives love to go on about "free speech" or being anti "cancel culture" but it's increasingly clear many don't actually care beyond whatever they agree with or believe in. 





This isn't about free speech no matter how much wokists want to mis-represent and mis-direct it as such. This is about teaching kids mathematics. 

 Woke propaganda can be taught in social studies at age appropriate levels.  Not in in junior maths classes.
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Enzo Bearzot - 20 Apr 2022 1:32 PM
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This isn't about free speech no matter how much wokists want to mis-represent and mis-direct it as such. This is about teaching kids mathematics. 

 Woke propaganda can be taught in social studies at age appropriate levels.  Not in in junior maths classes.

So Conservatives haven't banging on about banning Critical Race theory in schools completely?

Really? 

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Enzo Bearzot - 20 Apr 2022 12:09 PM


That's a response to the  Critical Race Theorists claim that Maths is Racist.  Once the Woke Class reached Peak Stupid, something had to be done.  This is it.

500+ books banned…..

’something had to be done’ 

Defending free speech I guess wasn’t it. 



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tsf - 20 Apr 2022 3:29 PM
Enzo Bearzot - 20 Apr 2022 12:09 PM

500+ books banned…..

’something had to be done’ 

Defending free speech I guess wasn’t it. 



Depends on the content and the context of each one of thsoe 500 books.  Have you read them all?  If they're presenting CRT or gender identity and sexuality in an inappropriate context ie in Maths class or at age-inappropriate then yes they should be banned.
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Enzo Bearzot - 20 Apr 2022 1:32 PM

So Conservatives haven't banging on about banning Critical Race theory in schools completely?

Really? 


Oh yes they have in response to a blanket presentation of the nonsense that is CRT everywhere.
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Enzo Bearzot - 20 Apr 2022 5:24 PM
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Oh yes they have in response to a blanket presentation of the nonsense that is CRT everywhere.

So it's not just maths then?  

Sounds like an attack on ideas and free expression to me. 

And before you go on about indoctrination let's not forget these are the same people who push for teaching creationism alongside evolution and argue that kids should be able to make up their minds which "theory" to believe.  



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Enzo Bearzot - 20 Apr 2022 5:22 PM
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Depends on the content and the context of each one of thsoe 500 books.  Have you read them all?  If they're presenting CRT or gender identity and sexuality in an inappropriate context ie in Maths class or at age-inappropriate then yes they should be banned.

What happened to free speech?

On a secondary note, if we are banning inappropriate sexual content then the bible should be first to go. Some sick things in there. 
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tsf - 20 Apr 2022 7:47 PM
Enzo Bearzot - 20 Apr 2022 5:22 PM

What happened to free speech?

On a secondary note, if we are banning inappropriate sexual content then the bible should be first to go. Some sick things in there. 

This isn't about free speech.  Its about ensuring that maths teaching and any other teaching is not infected and corrupted by irrelevant politics

The article you linked to is from the Washington Post.  The WP is a left-wing propaganda news outlet.  The article does not explain that the essence of CRT wrt maths is the claim that blacks do worse at maths than whites because the way maths is taught, they say, is racist.  If a white child gets 1+1 wrong than thats a fail.  If a black child gets it wrong that is due to racism and can be ignored.

Of course the theory conveniently ignores that Asians do better at maths than whites (as well as blacks) because that doesn't fit their narrative.

Do you discuss the sexual content of the Bible with 5 and 6 year old boys and girls?

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sydneyfc1987 - 20 Apr 2022 7:06 PM
Enzo Bearzot - 20 Apr 2022 5:24 PM

So it's not just maths then?  

Sounds like an attack on ideas and free expression to me. 

And before you go on about indoctrination let's not forget these are the same people who push for teaching creationism alongside evolution and argue that kids should be able to make up their minds which "theory" to believe.  


CRT should limited to the social and political studies otherwise it it should be banned as irrelevant.  Is physics also racist?  Chemistry? Accounting?  Biology?

If parents agree to sign their children up for classes in social and political theory where CRT is presented as a *theory*- and not as fact  as it currently is-  and alongside other social and political theories, and the children have the maturity to understand those things than that is up to the parents. 

But that is not what the CRT's want,  of course. 

They want CRT taught compulsorily as the framework that under-pins all of education.  Rejecting that wish is not an attack on ideas and free expression.  Its ensuring that education is not corrupted by ideologues spouting nonsense.

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