Problem has always been ego on both sides when things escalate into a war. Hope there is a way to deescalate. Not sure how.

As I learned its not as black and white as that.

None of us would be ok with China setting up military bases, equipment or even nukes on some island nation off our coastline, after for years warning them not to..

NATO and its chief Biden had the opportunity to prevent this pretty simply: decline Ukraine's membership to NATO, and Ukraine declares itself neutral.  Which I think will now happen anyway.

Ukraine isn't Russia's front porch. It is it's own territory.

Not saying that Russia shouldn't be concerned and it does have genuine grievances, but to invade another country on this pretext is rubbish. It's all about restoring the Russian Empire and it's glory days, and I hope it fails abysmally. Just hope that the people (both Ukrainian and Russians) don't suffer too much for it.

Yeah, if you ignore the opinion section and all the pundits (Tucker etc), Foxnews is alright with their detail. Same applies to CNN as well. I think the punditry ruins a lot of their coverage.

Pretty much. It's crazy.

FMD.  By this logic every cro is ustashe and we can not feel bad if they ever get bombed.

Have you been to Ukraine? 

I have been to Ukraine close to 10 times, nobody gives a crap about any left, right, nationalist bollocks. They are just normal people living their lives,

Dont agree with Putins adventure in Ukraine nor any of the USA's recent attempts at regime change in the middle east, but many of you guys hand wringing about poor innocent Ukraine probably need to get some perspective. Also love the woke warriors who recently ranted about the far right at vax demonstrations now cheering on Ukraine who is actually full of neo-nazi's

Ukrainian president’s rule becomes increasingly corrupt, authoritarian

It has recently become clear that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky loves kleptocracy as much as his predecessor Petro Poroshenko.

Zelensky has consistently protected corrupt officials from prosecution and killed anti-corruption reforms. Now he and his inner circle have destroyed two of Ukraine’s most high-profile graft cases – against Zelensky’s deputy chief of staff Oleg Tatarov and Ukraine’s most corrupt judge Pavlo Vovk.

Now it has also become obvious that Zelensky is as much of an authoritarian ruler as Poroshenko and is using extrajudicial tools to crack down on critics and redistribute assets.

https://todaynewspost.com/news/world/europe-news/ukrainian-presidents-rule-becomes-increasingly-corrupt-authoritarian/
 

The Pandora papers, leaked to the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ) and shared with the Guardian as part of a global investigation however, suggest Zelenskiy is rather similar to his predecessors.

The leaked documents suggest he had – or has – a previously undisclosed stake in an offshore company, which he appears to have secretly transferred to a friend weeks before winning the presidential vote.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/oct/03/revealed-anti-oligarch-ukrainian-president-offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy

16 February 2022

In a news broadcast Monday evening, NBC’s chief foreign policy correspondent Richard Engel told viewers how “some communities” in Ukraine are preparing for a war with Russia by “taking matters into their own hands.”

The report showed Ukrainian soldiers delivering “basic training for the whole family,” “first aid” and “weapons training” to a small group of Mariupol residents, including children and the elderly. One of them, 79-year-old Valentyna Konstantynovska, wielding an AK-47, was made the face of “Ukrainian resistance” by the world’s newspapers.

Engel left out of his account the fact that the military formation providing Konstantynovska’s training was the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, clearly identifiable by its Wolfsangel insignia used by Hitler’s SS in the Second World War.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/02/16/ukra-f16.html

Facebook is reversing its ban on posts praising Ukraine’s far-right Azov Battalion, report says

Urooba Jamal Feb. 25, 2022, 3:07 PM

Praise for the group, which is the armed wing of the country’s white nationalist Azov movement, was banned in 2019 under Facebook’s Dangerous Individuals and Organizations policy. The platform had classified the group alongside others such as the Ku Klux Klan and Islamic State.

A 2016 report by the OHCHR found that Azov soldiers had raped and tortured civilians during the 2014 Russian invasion of Ukraine.

The memos seen by The Intercept, however, also acknowledge the group’s ideology, and listed the following post as an example of unacceptable content, according to the outlet: “Well done Azov for protecting Ukraine and it’s white nationalist heritage.”

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/facebook-reverses-ban-praise-ukraine-far-right-forces-2022-2?r=US&IR=T

And if the US actually listened to Putins concerns about NATO getting ever closer to his borders just 2 months ago this  might have been avoided.  I think NATO didn't believe he'd do this.

Watch that interview with Putin 2 months ago if you REALLY want to know his thoughts and reason.  It certainly opened my eyes to the two sides of this rather what the Western media tells you.Say what you like the guy is super intelligent, knowledegable and articulate

I wouldn't even be surprised if they start complaining that the world is trying to cancel Putin.

You mean like when Cuba was going to host USSR nukes and the US readied its nukes?

Did they?

IF you watch that video of Putin's interview just 2 months ago he makes a very rational and compelling case that Ukraine joining NATO-as he called it the 5th wave of getting closer to Russia's borders- was akin to someone putting  a bomb on your front porch

They're completely bereft of empathy, unless it happens directly to them they can't process it. It's really reprehensible. 

All those kids having their homes bombed is a slap in the face to the leftards. Owning the libs yada yada

Watching CNN, MSNBC, ABC, Foxnews etc for all their video coverage.

Foxnews, when they're not commenting on politics or opinion, are actually quite decent with their coverage.

How good is it that rusty is making excuses and supporting Putin?

Would rather score cheap political points than have a country stay free.

Can almost imagine him sitting there cheering Putin on to kill as many civilians as possible so he can jump online and blame Biden.

Putin putting his nuclear forces on high alert.

Can someone explain why he would do that? Is that a warning at the west? Surely he's not contemplating nuking the Ukraine.

Surely countries are entitled to self determination whatever the circumstances.

“We might — especially being threatened like that, blackmailed by that and pushed to it,” Prystaiko said when asked if Kyiv would contemplate not joining NATO to avert war.

But a day later, Ukrainian officials appeared to walk back the statement, saying there would be no change in Ukraine’s constitutional commitment to become a member of NATO, which it made in 2019.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/world-leaders-scramble-avoid-war-ukraine-confusion-bid-join-nato-rcna16088

I'm amazed that some people can still spin this into a culture war.

Ukraine said they would back away from joining NATO. So why did Russia still invade? Also, why is Russia dictating Ukrainian foreign policy anyway. Can't spin this as America's fault. Putin ordered troops in. Simple as that.

Too late to save Ukraine now, military response too late, probably best allow it to fall to Russia. 
Draw a very hard line in the sand at NATO Eastern European countries, if Russia invades provokes US nuclear first strike. That equation rules out Russia expanding its borders under any circumstances (status quo or certain death). Grim scenario but deterrents usually need to be. 

Watching these ladies and students and old blokes lining up to get guns is unreal. 

So unbelievably ballsy. 

I changed a few words around, hopefully your eyes have been opened.

Russian T14 tanks to be renamed Vlad cookers

A bad look for Russia would be if Putin sent a Spetznaz team to Zelenskys house in the middle of the night and assassinate him in front of his family AND then  made a movie about it and made heroes of the scum who did it......

God bless British made nlaw anti tank missiles

A nuclear winter will cool the planet so the ecoloons must be in favour of it.

Can I ask simple question from both sides of the political horseshoe in here?
Why all the angst about Russia invading another country? I mean it sucks on a humanitarian level obviously and the poor people on the ground must be terrified and I really feel for them but why is everyone so morally shocked  now? Shit the US has invaded so many sovereign nations in the last 50 years alone as to make Putin look like a blushing virgin.  FFS it's not that far geographically from Crimea that Australia landed an invasion force on the beaches of Turkey 100 years ago and we fuckin have a march every year to commemorate it.........
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_invasions

One can only despair at the thought of how Putin unloading his nukes on Europe will impact climate change. Poor Greta will be so upset.😭