WCQ Playoff: UAE vs Socceroos | 7 June 2022


WCQ Playoff: UAE vs Socceroos | 7 June 2022

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johnszasz - 4 May 2022 1:20 AM
4 weeks out I'll call my squad now. Sadly the favourites will get picked and probably even start. Consider a lot of players can double in position due to versatility so it's not as thing as it may appear. We know spots will be wasted on Grant, Stensness and Duke. 

I've gone Wright for experience but two games hopefully the regulars will be fine. JRB has been playing left back for Accrington but only to get minutes. He's a CB. Leckie and Dougall emergency RB. 

It's just confusing. 
Maclaren: allergic to gold shirt 
Taggart: fit in 4 weeks? 
Ruka: Vaccinated? 

Lots of other younger ones can make the Olyroos upcoming gig. 

Ryan, Vukovic, Birighitti 

Atkinson Sainsbury Degenek JRB Wright Behich Elder 

Rogic Hrustic McGree Luongo Dougall Genreau Irvine 

Boyle Leckie Goodwin Mabil Cummings Tilio 



You’re probably about right there John. It’s not the time to be experimenting too much with these one/two games. 
Nerves have certainly kicked in already. 

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johnszasz - 4 May 2022 1:20 AM
4 weeks out I'll call my squad now. Sadly the favourites will get picked and probably even start. Consider a lot of players can double in position due to versatility so it's not as thing as it may appear. We know spots will be wasted on Grant, Stensness and Duke. 

I've gone Wright for experience but two games hopefully the regulars will be fine. JRB has been playing left back for Accrington but only to get minutes. He's a CB. Leckie and Dougall emergency RB. 

It's just confusing. 
Maclaren: allergic to gold shirt 
Taggart: fit in 4 weeks? 
Ruka: Vaccinated? 

Lots of other younger ones can make the Olyroos upcoming gig. 

Ryan, Vukovic, Birighitti 

Atkinson Sainsbury Degenek JRB Wright Behich Elder 

Rogic Hrustic McGree Luongo Dougall Genreau Irvine 

Boyle Leckie Goodwin Mabil Cummings Tilio 



Great squad 👍
Criminal if Cummings doesn’t start as striker for Roos with his brilliant form lately. Daggers 2nd choice for me but both of them worthy of minutes up front.
sure Arnold will start Super Duke and JMac though FFS
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I love JMac but to me he's just gotta be an option off the bench if we need a goal in the dying stages, clinical finisher but not too much else to his bow.

Cummings, Daggers or Bruno are much better options in terms of starting strikers. 

JMac isn't the type of striker to score goals like Daggers did last night.
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I just wish we had a better coach.

Arnold is light years from the ability required. 
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yeah we persisted with scotty mac when he didn't really suit the way we played. I'd like to see more athletic/taller guys given a shot up front, Cummings and Kuol should be brought in. I would even bring Teague in he's had a good season just have a look at him he doesn't need to play.
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jas88 - 8 May 2022 11:14 AM
yeah we persisted with scotty mac when he didn't really suit the way we played. I'd like to see more athletic/taller guys given a shot up front, Cummings and Kuol should be brought in. I would even bring Teague in he's had a good season just have a look at him he doesn't need to play.

G Kuol a brilliant late sub option when goal needed 
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Smith appears to be in good form


By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.

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Balin Trev - 8 May 2022 11:29 AM
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G Kuol a brilliant late sub option when goal needed 

He could have assisted two goals at the end of the last match if he wasn't so selfish.
Adelaide's youngsters are the same.

They are raw and exciting but still have a LOT to learn
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Davide82 - 9 May 2022 9:52 AM
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He could have assisted two goals at the end of the last match if he wasn't so selfish.
Adelaide's youngsters are the same.

They are raw and exciting but still have a LOT to learn

As much as I love young Kuol he is not ready for a Socceroos call up.Yes he should have passed to players who were in better position in the Newcastle game but at 17 he gets excited when he gets near the goal and shoots.

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JayEss - 8 May 2022 9:51 AM
I love JMac but to me he's just gotta be an option off the bench if we need a goal in the dying stages, clinical finisher but not too much else to his bow.

Cummings, Daggers or Bruno are much better options in terms of starting strikers. 

JMac isn't the type of striker to score goals like Daggers did last night.

J Mac isn’t good enough to be the main man for the Roos. But you can’t say that around here because people get too precious. 
His link up play is atrocious, he only affects games when he scores. That’s it. 

Off the bench late on when we are pumping crossed in and need a poacher

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josh sydneyfc - 9 May 2022 11:57 AM
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J Mac isn’t good enough to be the main man for the Roos. But you can’t say that around here because people get too precious. 
His link up play is atrocious, he only affects games when he scores. That’s it. 

Off the bench late on when we are pumping crossed in and need a poacher

Who gets precious over JMac? He's pretty much universally panned here, at least in terms of the Socceroos. Could he be as damaging for the Socceroos as is at club level if he were given the right service? Maybe, but that's not going to happen so there's not much use picking him. Certainly not as first choice.

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is anyone able to confirm whether the stadium we're playing at is the one with the closed roof and AC? If not, we’re probably talking about 35 degrees, even at 9pm local time.

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Theres no issue with worrying about JMAC now anyways, he’s already said he’s not available because his missus’ best friend’s old neighbour is opening up a beauty salon and the launch party is that night.
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johnszasz - 13 Apr 2022 9:49 PM
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Want:      
Dougall Luongo
      Rogic


Expect:
Stensness/Hrustic Irvine
         Rogic

Look, Stensness will have club form by then but I fear he's going to be the next sloth we put in our midfield that will be a traffic cone. If Jedinak weren't a leader, he'd have been out of the team very quickly. The same goes for Milligan. I love both of them and they got better with age but god were there some very frustrating times. Milligan redeemed himself massively in 2015 and then went on well and was fortunate we didn't have any better centre backs. Jedinak's leadership was paramount but Luongo should have started against Peru.

Until we can find a 6 who can pass and defend then we'll have to persist with the battering ram. It's true from analysis that Hrustic and Irvine get massively exposed as the last man so they're not a 6. Metcalfe and Genreau are great prospects for the next cycle. I'd like McGree and even Hrustic to be out wide for now to have fewer headaches as I want to build something around Metcalfe and Genreau by 2026.

Is this the same Jedinek that single handedly kept CP above relegation for 3 years, the same Jedinak who single handedly got us through the Honduras Play-off by scoring a dead ball hatrick, the Same Jedinak that was a God from the spot, not missing once in top flight, the same Jedinak that held multiple annual records for tackles, and interception in the best league in the world over multiple season!!!

And he's comparable to stensness and Milligan???
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tsf - 9 May 2022 1:44 PM
Theres no issue with worrying about JMAC now anyways, he’s already said he’s not available because his missus’ best friend’s old neighbour is opening up a beauty salon and the launch party is that night.

Hopefully Duke goes to party too 😉
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As much as I love young Kuol he is not ready for a Socceroos call up.Yes he should have passed to players who were in better position in the Newcastle game but at 17 he gets excited when he gets near the goal and shoots.

Disagree with this. The thing that is most impressive about Kuol is his grace under pressure given his age. Look at all his goals so far and they were the product of great technique plus a cool head. Especially his beautifully placed goal against WU.

Had every right to shoot the other night, but it was a great last ditch tackle that stopped him scoring.
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well if you think he's at the calibre of Bale/Lukaku or of late young Gavi all @ 17 on debuts go for it.......

I don't think he's anywhere near these type of players ability same age and doing a season in AL is no where near the pressure/time and defense's at NT levels.
Sure he might show great promise but in this must win situation I wouldn't bet on it if it ever happenned.


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LFC. - 9 May 2022 4:04 PM
well if you think he's at the calibre of Bale/Lukaku or of late young Gavi all @ 17 on debuts go for it.......

I don't think he's anywhere near these type of players ability same age and doing a season in AL is no where near the pressure/time and defense's at NT levels.
Sure he might show great promise but in this must win situation I wouldn't bet on it if it ever happenned.

Nobody comparing him to Lukaku or Bale. But in the likely case that Roos are down by a goal against UAE with 20 minutes to go who would you rather sub on for a late equalizer? JMac, Duke (assuming they don’t start) or G Kuol? Can’t imagine anybody else creating something from nothing like he could
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Rene should be sacked. Blokes been on every single UK sports program to talk about united in the last month. Not a single mention of the socceroos, I understand thats not his job but fuck me dead. Some sort of growth of our sport would be great. But the people involved need to help grow it. Could of simply added it in with a bit of stick about the old convicts fuck anything will do. fucking hell.
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Balin Trev - 9 May 2022 4:49 PM
LFC. - 9 May 2022 4:04 PM

Nobody comparing him to Lukaku or Bale. But in the likely case that Roos are down by a goal against UAE with 20 minutes to go who would you rather sub on for a late equalizer? JMac, Duke (assuming they don’t start) or G Kuol? Can’t imagine anybody else creating something from nothing like he could

Settle mate, I wasn't putting him in the same mould thats for sure but pointing out their debuts @ 17yrs < importantly and the type of players they would have been and played U21 NT games/Snr games etc compared to where Kuol is green as to date (good on him doing well showing great promise) let alone thrown into the frying pan of a must win NT game.
Is he worth a shot ? who knows you can only speculate just as you say in the hope he can create something from nothing against farfar better defense than he is dealing with.
If anything D'agostino with runs on the board/form with Tilio and Boyle either side for eg. Aussie Bruno ? :) Cummings maybe another wild card ??



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LFC. - 10 May 2022 3:11 PM
Balin Trev - 9 May 2022 4:49 PM

Settle mate, I wasn't putting him in the same mould thats for sure but pointing out their debuts @ 17yrs < importantly and the type of players they would have been and played U21 NT games/Snr games etc compared to where Kuol is green as to date (good on him doing well showing great promise) let alone thrown into the frying pan of a must win NT game.
Is he worth a shot ? who knows you can only speculate just as you say in the hope he can create something from nothing against farfar better defense than he is dealing with.
If anything D'agostino with runs on the board/form with Tilio and Boyle either side for eg. Aussie Bruno ? :) Cummings maybe another wild card ??


Yep. I would even start Daggers/Cummings over the usual jmac and Duke. Duke plays in J2 which is definitely no better than AL but still gets cap after cap 😡 makes my blood boil tbh
G Kuol although very green, has X factor that will probably be needed in 2nd half imho
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Is this the same Jedinek that single handedly kept CP above relegation for 3 years, the same Jedinak who single handedly got us through the Honduras Play-off by scoring a dead ball hatrick, the Same Jedinak that was a God from the spot, not missing once in top flight, the same Jedinak that held multiple annual records for tackles, and interception in the best league in the world over multiple season!!!

And he's comparable to stensness and Milligan???

Yeah Jedinak was underrated if anything way above those two. Was deadly from set pieces also for CP.
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To clarify my Jedinak thoughts. Of course he was bloody brilliant. Seeing him score those important goals will never be forgotten. Indeed there were definitely periods where his battering ram deployment made for risks in the game. There were moments he was trailing, not paying attention in build up, misplaced passes.

Yet I never expect a player to have 100% stats. We know those types of supporters who feel every shot must go in.

I stand by my statement. If Jedinak weren't so revered for his leadership skills and we'd had someone else who could play box to box then he could well have been out of the team.

I think with the next bunch coming through we were getting anxious as to whether he'd still perform or be a block like the previous bunch under Holger.

 I think he got better with age. Pre 2015 was occasionally a time where a lot on this forum felt we need someone a bit more mobile. Luongo filled that. Mooy came along. Irvine entered the frame. Rogic was there. It was always going to be a tricky mix and match with those guys. Evidently Jedinak came in when it mattered and glued things together.

I think what I fear is that someone such as Genreau may miss out with Arnold favouring someone like Stensness hoping to create the next Jedinak. Arnold was also really into Carl Valeri. A good player but I was never able to appreciate what he did. I guess if you don't notice a midfielder that's not always a bad thing. 
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Think this 442 starting XI could beat UAE?

                  Ryan
Atkinson    Sains   Wright   Elder 
Hrustic    Mooy    Rogic    Goodwin (edit)
           Boyle    Cummings 



   

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question - McGree why not in starting line up ?


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LFC. - 11 May 2022 12:03 PM
question - McGree why not in starting line up ?

Yeah i know- would be tough call not to start him over Hrustic but either could start and then possibly subbed for the other
Rogic has to start as AM though for sure
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agreed, McGree more in form for me.
Balin Trev - 11 May 2022 11:43 AM
Think this 442 starting XI could beat UAE?

                  Ryan
Atkinson    Sains   Wright   Elder
Hrustic > McGree    Mooy    Rogic    Dougall > Goodwin 9 goals 7 assists in APLM      
           Boyle    Cummings > Daggers 10 goals in APLM same as Cummings but a strong mover for the ball and robust



   

Just a tweak in bold




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Balin Trev - 11 May 2022 11:43 AM
Think this 442 starting XI could beat UAE?

                  Ryan
Atkinson    Sains   Wright   Elder
Hrustic    Mooy    Rogic    Dougall       
           Boyle    Cummings 



   

Dougall playing left wing?
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Bowden - 11 May 2022 1:05 PM
Balin Trev - 11 May 2022 11:43 AM

Dougall playing left wing?

Sorry. Goodwin instead. Had Dougall in my head trying to find where to use him and posted before  realizing i stuffed up. 
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:D why I put Goodwin there in my edit.
I'd even consider Tilio but Goodwins experience is good for me.
IF he starts up Mabil I'll be pissed once again might I add.


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