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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x10 professional matches, no starts and 4 goals in 199 minutes of play, dont want to go off early but wow, dare I say we found our next Arzani...... How good is he? That is the question, not he is great. He has potential, if you don't see that, well!!!! Unfortunately, the poor development pathways here mean we have very little coming through so understand why people get excited, but as Eddie Murphy said in RAW, when you are starving and someone throws you a cracker, you be like...  https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/4bd4c676-30f6-4ff9-8d18-e62ac36a5c0d/gif They are not that poor if we've qualified for 5 successive World Cups! Only 10 teams in the world have qualified for the last 5 successive World Cups. Three times we've had to qualify by playing intercontinental sudden death quaffers, beating CONMEBOL twice, and CONCACAF once. Thats like using possession stats to figure out who won a match, useless in isolation and only provides temporary comfort to the ill-informed. Speaking of ill-informed, there are actually 12 at 5 or more consecutive appearances including 2022: | Team | Current consecutive appearances | | Brazil | 22 | | Germany | 18 | | Argentina | 13 | | Spain | 12 | | South Korea | 10 | | Mexico | 8 | | France | 7 | | England | 7 | | Japan | 7 | | Portugal | 6 | | Switzerland | 5 | | Australia | 5 | And funnily enough, of those with 5 or more, 3 are from AFC. Hmm, wonder why, because AFC is easy to qualify from (which is why we joined) especially after they got 4.5 spots in 2006 and the fact we went from direct qualification in 2010 & 2014 to needing playoff's for 2018 & 2022 tells you we are getting shitter. Why you may ask again? Not hard to figure out, GG is gone and despite the promise current development pathways are poor (seriously, when was the NYL run as a proper comp?). All you need to do is just look at where the 2006 or 2010 squad were playing club football compared to where the current lot are. No comparison (but I am sure there are plenty of excuses) Again this crap!!!!! It's rather boring!!! Most of the GG would not be playing in the top teams today outside of Dukes & Harry, they did not have the skills required, today it's skilled based not just fitness hackers. It makes it worse that people are also doubling down on whether we need to get back to being physical like we were in the past instead of trying to be better in playing the game especially being better at the fundamentals in terms of technique and game sense which we have struggled for years anyway. Bear in mind that most of the opponents the GG had back in the day, not to mention other world class players of the time (baring a few obvious exceptions) probably wouldn't cut it at todays top level either... its a bullshit coverall argument that Lowy apologists use to say "things are great in Australia soccer" - Ill give you a hint, they are NOT...... The modern game these days all the players are elite in physicality, that used to be an strength for us but the game has changed a lot back then and these days especially how fast the game has become its more physical than it ever has been. Maybe not as technical like it was in the past, but people assuming we go back to being physical like the Arok days we forget we can’t compete technically and not matter how you hide it you won’t get away it especially at the top level. For example the likes of Japan and South Korea are not only better technically but they can cover for our physical side too now.
The GG were physical but we also had some fine technicans in the few we had but how would they go in todays era is anyones guess but the game is a lot different from how it was in the 2000s. Thats just the absolute fundamentally obvious truth..... Of course the whole world has progressed in all facets of nutrition, physical training, player conditioning yet comparison about how current players are better than those in the past constantly still occur on these threads.... Players in the 40-50s smoked in the sheds at half time (or even on the bench) and the goalie would often take flask of whisky on the pitch to stay warm..... The current players are better athletes for sure, they also have the benefit of having sport science and the information which probably wasn’t available in the past so the current player can perform longer and last long longer. But whether they are better players is up for debate, they were great players in the past which would have been intriguing how they would go in the modern times.
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"The Central Coast Mariners can confirm that the club has agreed terms for the sale of Garang Kuol to Newcastle United." ⚽ See Kuol live when we play Newcastle October 8th 👉 https://bit.ly/3xLNECxRead more 👉 https://bit.ly/3BQZxrU#CCMFC #WontBackDown #OurParadise
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+x"The Central Coast Mariners can confirm that the club has agreed terms for the sale of Garang Kuol to Newcastle United." ⚽ See Kuol live when we play Newcastle October 8th 👉 https://bit.ly/3xLNECxRead more 👉 https://bit.ly/3BQZxrU#CCMFC #WontBackDown #OurParadise Will have to watch this if I can. New Zealand are not a hard task tbh. I think some ppl are talking him way up
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x10 professional matches, no starts and 4 goals in 199 minutes of play, dont want to go off early but wow, dare I say we found our next Arzani...... How good is he? That is the question, not he is great. He has potential, if you don't see that, well!!!! Unfortunately, the poor development pathways here mean we have very little coming through so understand why people get excited, but as Eddie Murphy said in RAW, when you are starving and someone throws you a cracker, you be like...  https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/4bd4c676-30f6-4ff9-8d18-e62ac36a5c0d/gif They are not that poor if we've qualified for 5 successive World Cups! Only 10 teams in the world have qualified for the last 5 successive World Cups. Three times we've had to qualify by playing intercontinental sudden death quaffers, beating CONMEBOL twice, and CONCACAF once. Thats like using possession stats to figure out who won a match, useless in isolation and only provides temporary comfort to the ill-informed. Speaking of ill-informed, there are actually 12 at 5 or more consecutive appearances including 2022: | Team | Current consecutive appearances | | Brazil | 22 | | Germany | 18 | | Argentina | 13 | | Spain | 12 | | South Korea | 10 | | Mexico | 8 | | France | 7 | | England | 7 | | Japan | 7 | | Portugal | 6 | | Switzerland | 5 | | Australia | 5 | And funnily enough, of those with 5 or more, 3 are from AFC. Hmm, wonder why, because AFC is easy to qualify from (which is why we joined) especially after they got 4.5 spots in 2006 and the fact we went from direct qualification in 2010 & 2014 to needing playoff's for 2018 & 2022 tells you we are getting shitter. Why you may ask again? Not hard to figure out, GG is gone and despite the promise current development pathways are poor (seriously, when was the NYL run as a proper comp?). All you need to do is just look at where the 2006 or 2010 squad were playing club football compared to where the current lot are. No comparison (but I am sure there are plenty of excuses) Again this crap!!!!! It's rather boring!!! Most of the GG would not be playing in the top teams today outside of Dukes & Harry, they did not have the skills required, today it's skilled based not just fitness hackers. It makes it worse that people are also doubling down on whether we need to get back to being physical like we were in the past instead of trying to be better in playing the game especially being better at the fundamentals in terms of technique and game sense which we have struggled for years anyway. Bear in mind that most of the opponents the GG had back in the day, not to mention other world class players of the time (baring a few obvious exceptions) probably wouldn't cut it at todays top level either... its a bullshit coverall argument that Lowy apologists use to say "things are great in Australia soccer" - Ill give you a hint, they are NOT...... The modern game these days all the players are elite in physicality, that used to be an strength for us but the game has changed a lot back then and these days especially how fast the game has become its more physical than it ever has been. Maybe not as technical like it was in the past, but people assuming we go back to being physical like the Arok days we forget we can’t compete technically and not matter how you hide it you won’t get away it especially at the top level. For example the likes of Japan and South Korea are not only better technically but they can cover for our physical side too now.
The GG were physical but we also had some fine technicans in the few we had but how would they go in todays era is anyones guess but the game is a lot different from how it was in the 2000s. Thats just the absolute fundamentally obvious truth..... Of course the whole world has progressed in all facets of nutrition, physical training, player conditioning yet comparison about how current players are better than those in the past constantly still occur on these threads.... Players in the 40-50s smoked in the sheds at half time (or even on the bench) and the goalie would often take flask of whisky on the pitch to stay warm..... The current players are better athletes for sure, they also have the benefit of having sport science and the information which probably wasn’t available in the past so the current player can perform longer and last long longer. But whether they are better players is up for debate, they were great players in the past which would have been intriguing how they would go in the modern times. I dunno Brett Emerton was fitter than anyone in the current socceroos team imo.
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+x+x"The Central Coast Mariners can confirm that the club has agreed terms for the sale of Garang Kuol to Newcastle United." ⚽ See Kuol live when we play Newcastle October 8th 👉 https://bit.ly/3xLNECxRead more 👉 https://bit.ly/3BQZxrU#CCMFC #WontBackDown #OurParadise Will have to watch this if I can. New Zealand are not a hard task tbh. I think some ppl are talking him way up What about Barcelona?? https://youtu.be/yGr0oQ-atZk
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+x+x+x"The Central Coast Mariners can confirm that the club has agreed terms for the sale of Garang Kuol to Newcastle United." ⚽ See Kuol live when we play Newcastle October 8th 👉 https://bit.ly/3xLNECxRead more 👉 https://bit.ly/3BQZxrU#CCMFC #WontBackDown #OurParadise Will have to watch this if I can. New Zealand are not a hard task tbh. I think some ppl are talking him way up What about Barcelona?? https://youtu.be/yGr0oQ-atZk Fantastic. But it's against Barcelona in a Mickey Mouse match. The display of skill by Garang Kuol, against Barcelona, is still perfectly valid. In 2003, Cristiano Ronaldo played in a friendly for Sporting against Man Utd. He dazzled and a bunch of the Man Utd players immediately urged Sir Alex to sign him, iirc. So, it's a great indication of potential from Kuol. But it's still a pre-season friendly as opposed to a Champion's League match.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x10 professional matches, no starts and 4 goals in 199 minutes of play, dont want to go off early but wow, dare I say we found our next Arzani...... How good is he? That is the question, not he is great. He has potential, if you don't see that, well!!!! Unfortunately, the poor development pathways here mean we have very little coming through so understand why people get excited, but as Eddie Murphy said in RAW, when you are starving and someone throws you a cracker, you be like... https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/4bd4c676-30f6-4ff9-8d18-e62ac36a5c0d/gif They are not that poor if we've qualified for 5 successive World Cups! Only 10 teams in the world have qualified for the last 5 successive World Cups. Three times we've had to qualify by playing intercontinental sudden death quaffers, beating CONMEBOL twice, and CONCACAF once. Thats like using possession stats to figure out who won a match, useless in isolation and only provides temporary comfort to the ill-informed. Speaking of ill-informed, there are actually 12 at 5 or more consecutive appearances including 2022: | Team | Current consecutive appearances | | Brazil | 22 | | Germany | 18 | | Argentina | 13 | | Spain | 12 | | South Korea | 10 | | Mexico | 8 | | France | 7 | | England | 7 | | Japan | 7 | | Portugal | 6 | | Switzerland | 5 | | Australia | 5 | And funnily enough, of those with 5 or more, 3 are from AFC. Hmm, wonder why, because AFC is easy to qualify from (which is why we joined) especially after they got 4.5 spots in 2006 and the fact we went from direct qualification in 2010 & 2014 to needing playoff's for 2018 & 2022 tells you we are getting shitter. Why you may ask again? Not hard to figure out, GG is gone and despite the promise current development pathways are poor (seriously, when was the NYL run as a proper comp?). All you need to do is just look at where the 2006 or 2010 squad were playing club football compared to where the current lot are. No comparison (but I am sure there are plenty of excuses) Again this crap!!!!! It's rather boring!!! Most of the GG would not be playing in the top teams today outside of Dukes & Harry, they did not have the skills required, today it's skilled based not just fitness hackers. It makes it worse that people are also doubling down on whether we need to get back to being physical like we were in the past instead of trying to be better in playing the game especially being better at the fundamentals in terms of technique and game sense which we have struggled for years anyway. Bear in mind that most of the opponents the GG had back in the day, not to mention other world class players of the time (baring a few obvious exceptions) probably wouldn't cut it at todays top level either... its a bullshit coverall argument that Lowy apologists use to say "things are great in Australia soccer" - Ill give you a hint, they are NOT...... The modern game these days all the players are elite in physicality, that used to be an strength for us but the game has changed a lot back then and these days especially how fast the game has become its more physical than it ever has been. Maybe not as technical like it was in the past, but people assuming we go back to being physical like the Arok days we forget we can’t compete technically and not matter how you hide it you won’t get away it especially at the top level. For example the likes of Japan and South Korea are not only better technically but they can cover for our physical side too now.
The GG were physical but we also had some fine technicans in the few we had but how would they go in todays era is anyones guess but the game is a lot different from how it was in the 2000s. Thats just the absolute fundamentally obvious truth..... Of course the whole world has progressed in all facets of nutrition, physical training, player conditioning yet comparison about how current players are better than those in the past constantly still occur on these threads.... Players in the 40-50s smoked in the sheds at half time (or even on the bench) and the goalie would often take flask of whisky on the pitch to stay warm..... The current players are better athletes for sure, they also have the benefit of having sport science and the information which probably wasn’t available in the past so the current player can perform longer and last long longer. But whether they are better players is up for debate, they were great players in the past which would have been intriguing how they would go in the modern times. I dunno Brett Emerton was fitter than anyone in the current socceroos team imo. He probably was. But he was exceptionally fit as professional footballers from then go. He was likely ahead of the fitness curve. Kind of like the AFL sports science kind-of-people were who have since influenced other codes (including football).
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x10 professional matches, no starts and 4 goals in 199 minutes of play, dont want to go off early but wow, dare I say we found our next Arzani...... How good is he? That is the question, not he is great. He has potential, if you don't see that, well!!!! Unfortunately, the poor development pathways here mean we have very little coming through so understand why people get excited, but as Eddie Murphy said in RAW, when you are starving and someone throws you a cracker, you be like... https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/4bd4c676-30f6-4ff9-8d18-e62ac36a5c0d/gif They are not that poor if we've qualified for 5 successive World Cups! Only 10 teams in the world have qualified for the last 5 successive World Cups. Three times we've had to qualify by playing intercontinental sudden death quaffers, beating CONMEBOL twice, and CONCACAF once. Thats like using possession stats to figure out who won a match, useless in isolation and only provides temporary comfort to the ill-informed. Speaking of ill-informed, there are actually 12 at 5 or more consecutive appearances including 2022: | Team | Current consecutive appearances | | Brazil | 22 | | Germany | 18 | | Argentina | 13 | | Spain | 12 | | South Korea | 10 | | Mexico | 8 | | France | 7 | | England | 7 | | Japan | 7 | | Portugal | 6 | | Switzerland | 5 | | Australia | 5 | And funnily enough, of those with 5 or more, 3 are from AFC. Hmm, wonder why, because AFC is easy to qualify from (which is why we joined) especially after they got 4.5 spots in 2006 and the fact we went from direct qualification in 2010 & 2014 to needing playoff's for 2018 & 2022 tells you we are getting shitter. Why you may ask again? Not hard to figure out, GG is gone and despite the promise current development pathways are poor (seriously, when was the NYL run as a proper comp?). All you need to do is just look at where the 2006 or 2010 squad were playing club football compared to where the current lot are. No comparison (but I am sure there are plenty of excuses) Again this crap!!!!! It's rather boring!!! Most of the GG would not be playing in the top teams today outside of Dukes & Harry, they did not have the skills required, today it's skilled based not just fitness hackers. It makes it worse that people are also doubling down on whether we need to get back to being physical like we were in the past instead of trying to be better in playing the game especially being better at the fundamentals in terms of technique and game sense which we have struggled for years anyway. Bear in mind that most of the opponents the GG had back in the day, not to mention other world class players of the time (baring a few obvious exceptions) probably wouldn't cut it at todays top level either... its a bullshit coverall argument that Lowy apologists use to say "things are great in Australia soccer" - Ill give you a hint, they are NOT...... The modern game these days all the players are elite in physicality, that used to be an strength for us but the game has changed a lot back then and these days especially how fast the game has become its more physical than it ever has been. Maybe not as technical like it was in the past, but people assuming we go back to being physical like the Arok days we forget we can’t compete technically and not matter how you hide it you won’t get away it especially at the top level. For example the likes of Japan and South Korea are not only better technically but they can cover for our physical side too now.
The GG were physical but we also had some fine technicans in the few we had but how would they go in todays era is anyones guess but the game is a lot different from how it was in the 2000s. Thats just the absolute fundamentally obvious truth..... Of course the whole world has progressed in all facets of nutrition, physical training, player conditioning yet comparison about how current players are better than those in the past constantly still occur on these threads.... Players in the 40-50s smoked in the sheds at half time (or even on the bench) and the goalie would often take flask of whisky on the pitch to stay warm..... The current players are better athletes for sure, they also have the benefit of having sport science and the information which probably wasn’t available in the past so the current player can perform longer and last long longer. But whether they are better players is up for debate, they were great players in the past which would have been intriguing how they would go in the modern times. I would say they're rather better-conditioned, not necessarily better athletes. So, they all train in more effective ways and you find the guys who play in less athlete-centric positions (e.g. central midfield and central defence) reaching levels of fitness that surpass their counterparts from ten, twenty, thirty years earlier. Just about every world-class fullback now can operate as a wingback and that requires pace. However, the fast strikers and wingers from those days were just as fast, agile, etc. as the ones now. For example, I think it's likely that Thierry Henry and Arjen Robben were about as quick (if not quicker than) Kylian Mbappé or Alphonso Davies or Erling Haaland.
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+x+x+x+x"The Central Coast Mariners can confirm that the club has agreed terms for the sale of Garang Kuol to Newcastle United." ⚽ See Kuol live when we play Newcastle October 8th 👉 https://bit.ly/3xLNECxRead more 👉 https://bit.ly/3BQZxrU#CCMFC #WontBackDown #OurParadise Will have to watch this if I can. New Zealand are not a hard task tbh. I think some ppl are talking him way up What about Barcelona?? https://youtu.be/yGr0oQ-atZk Fantastic. But it's against Barcelona in a Mickey Mouse match. The display of skill by Garang Kuol, against Barcelona, is still perfectly valid. In 2003, Cristiano Ronaldo played in a friendly for Sporting against Man Utd. He dazzled and a bunch of the Man Utd players immediately urged Sir Alex to sign him, iirc. So, it's a great indication of potential from Kuol. But it's still a pre-season friendly as opposed to a Champion's League match. That might be true about it being a Mickey mouse game. But the fact Barca were extremely interested, that must show something, that even the team that he competed against wanted a piece of him.
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+xLove him to bits. Reminiscent of Arzani (who I still hope may recover fully from his injury one day) but levels above. People are wary of comparing him with Harry? Bugger that... I'm comparing him with Killian MBappe. Blazing pace, great awareness of team mates and incredible finishing. Would not be surprised at all to see him at one of the very top clubs in Europe. Expecting him to go to the WC and blow the world away with his impact. 'Levels above (Daniel Arzani)' is a stretch, I think. Arzani had a hell of a lot of potential. He may still do. Anyhow, Kuol has a hell of a lot of potential. It's unquantifiable and imponderable, though, as we're talking largely about potential, here. But like you, I hope that Arzani makes a full recovery and becomes an important part of the NT and I hope that Kuol goes to Qatar.
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+x+x+x+x+x"The Central Coast Mariners can confirm that the club has agreed terms for the sale of Garang Kuol to Newcastle United." ⚽ See Kuol live when we play Newcastle October 8th 👉 https://bit.ly/3xLNECxRead more 👉 https://bit.ly/3BQZxrU#CCMFC #WontBackDown #OurParadise Will have to watch this if I can. New Zealand are not a hard task tbh. I think some ppl are talking him way up What about Barcelona?? https://youtu.be/yGr0oQ-atZk Fantastic. But it's against Barcelona in a Mickey Mouse match. The display of skill by Garang Kuol, against Barcelona, is still perfectly valid. In 2003, Cristiano Ronaldo played in a friendly for Sporting against Man Utd. He dazzled and a bunch of the Man Utd players immediately urged Sir Alex to sign him, iirc. So, it's a great indication of potential from Kuol. But it's still a pre-season friendly as opposed to a Champion's League match. That might be true about it being a Mickey mouse game. But the fact Barca were extremely interested, that must show something, that even the team that he competed against wanted a piece of him. Sure. There's another similarity with Cristiano Ronaldo. Both played against giants of the game in friendlies which led to a lot of interest from said giants of the game. It's all that can be asked of young footballer playing a friendly against such a team. In fact, it's much more than can be asked of them. But it's really problematic to think about this in terms of "how well player x did against big club in a friendly" or "how interested giant club is in player x". Kuol did brilliantly against Barca and got them them interested. All right. Let's think of guys who've done more than merely impress against these giant clubs and/or generate their interest: - Bojan Krkic - made his competitive debut for Barca as a 17 year old. Iirc, he was considered the next Messi.
- Giovanni dos Santos - also came through the Barca system and showed heaps of potential. But his club career?
- Alexandre Pato - remember him from AC Milan? Absolute gun.
- Adem Ljajic - I remember when he signed for Man Utd. Very gifted. But has lacked the consistency at club level.
I should say that all of these guys have had wonderful careers. For example, Bojan Krkic has still achieved more at club level than most of the GG Socceroos. And as for Giovanni dos Santos - you could argue he has achieved more for Mexico at the WC than most of the Socceroos did. I remember watching him at the World Cup and thinking - WOWWW!!!!! I think he has scored in multiple World Cup matches and was one of the best young players in the 2010 World Cup. But his club football career hasn't nearly matched his NT football and didn't live up to his football potential.
The point is that the tones of some of the posts in this thread would have you believe that Garang Kuol will definitely be global superstar. It would be fantastic if he does. The signs are encouraging. But there are plenty of other footballers who've shown at least as much as Kuol has done and they haven't lived up to the potential that they demonstrated. It's difficult to maintain consistency in a game of such fine margins. Life happens, I guess. And mental health is a factor (for all of us, to varying degrees). So you just hope for the best and hope that they get the support they need.
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+x+x‘He showed SOME quality’ really hope Arnold was just being evasive with the press and he actually knows Kuol can create and attack with speed/ball control like nobody else in Roos squad can
WTF Classic arrogant arnold!! Why can't he blow things out of proportion like the rest of us and declare a kid who has yet to start a senior match the greatest thing to come out of Australia since Harry Kewell!?!?!?! Arnie probably thinks that it's best for Garang if heaps of media pressure isn't piled on him. I think I have probably criticised Graham Arnold's personnel selections and maybe tactics over the course of this qualifying campaign. But I do think that he got things right at the end. And I also think that he is an excellent people manager. He comes across as genuine. I think that he cares deeply about the wellbeing of his players (about things that are immeasurably more important than football). I think he wants his players to be in a good mental and emotional state. From there, he hopes that they can produce the kind of football that we hope for. So for Kuol, Arnie just wants him to go out there and try to have fun. Reading between the lines, I think that Arnie is likely to take him to Qatar. He just doesn't want him to serve as a kind of channel into which the Australian football community might pour all its expectations. That wouldn't be healthy.
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Cue the lefty morality puritans chiming in with Arab money blah blah blah
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+x+x+x"The Central Coast Mariners can confirm that the club has agreed terms for the sale of Garang Kuol to Newcastle United." ⚽ See Kuol live when we play Newcastle October 8th 👉 https://bit.ly/3xLNECxRead more 👉 https://bit.ly/3BQZxrU#CCMFC #WontBackDown #OurParadise Will have to watch this if I can. New Zealand are not a hard task tbh. I think some ppl are talking him way up What about Barcelona?? https://youtu.be/yGr0oQ-atZk Yes, he had a couple of good runs against Barca in an exhibition match. Wow. He has blistering pace and confidence to try get stuck in, which is great, but I'm yet to see that much beyond that just yet. Nobody is saying he isn't promising Balin. Just getting sick to death of players getting hyped up over very little tangible evidence. Wasn't long ago it was Mohomed Toure we were talking about like this. Slowly, reality hits that they just aren't as good as the hype suggests. FWIW I'm 100% on board with him going to Qatar as his pace will be a real weapon against teams that will try to pen us in to our half.
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+x+xLove him to bits. Reminiscent of Arzani (who I still hope may recover fully from his injury one day) but levels above. People are wary of comparing him with Harry? Bugger that... I'm comparing him with Killian MBappe. Blazing pace, great awareness of team mates and incredible finishing. Would not be surprised at all to see him at one of the very top clubs in Europe. Expecting him to go to the WC and blow the world away with his impact. 'Levels above (Daniel Arzani)' is a stretch, I think. Arzani had a hell of a lot of potential. He may still do. Anyhow, Kuol has a hell of a lot of potential. It's unquantifiable and imponderable, though, as we're talking largely about potential, here. But like you, I hope that Arzani makes a full recovery and becomes an important part of the NT and I hope that Kuol goes to Qatar. It's incredible ponderiing that Arzani actually made an appearance in all three socceroos matches at the 2018 World cup, exactly four years ago. I know they are different players, but it's a cautionary tale, and not a hitherto unknown one. Also, Garang will be loaned out to a Portuguese club.I can think of a couple of other occasions where Aussies trying to make it through Portugal hasn't panned out so well. He has the world at his feet, I wish him all the best, I just hope he has good people around him supporting and advising him..
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x10 professional matches, no starts and 4 goals in 199 minutes of play, dont want to go off early but wow, dare I say we found our next Arzani...... How good is he? That is the question, not he is great. He has potential, if you don't see that, well!!!! Unfortunately, the poor development pathways here mean we have very little coming through so understand why people get excited, but as Eddie Murphy said in RAW, when you are starving and someone throws you a cracker, you be like... https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/4bd4c676-30f6-4ff9-8d18-e62ac36a5c0d/gif They are not that poor if we've qualified for 5 successive World Cups! Only 10 teams in the world have qualified for the last 5 successive World Cups. Three times we've had to qualify by playing intercontinental sudden death quaffers, beating CONMEBOL twice, and CONCACAF once. Thats like using possession stats to figure out who won a match, useless in isolation and only provides temporary comfort to the ill-informed. Speaking of ill-informed, there are actually 12 at 5 or more consecutive appearances including 2022: | Team | Current consecutive appearances | | Brazil | 22 | | Germany | 18 | | Argentina | 13 | | Spain | 12 | | South Korea | 10 | | Mexico | 8 | | France | 7 | | England | 7 | | Japan | 7 | | Portugal | 6 | | Switzerland | 5 | | Australia | 5 | And funnily enough, of those with 5 or more, 3 are from AFC. Hmm, wonder why, because AFC is easy to qualify from (which is why we joined) especially after they got 4.5 spots in 2006 and the fact we went from direct qualification in 2010 & 2014 to needing playoff's for 2018 & 2022 tells you we are getting shitter. Why you may ask again? Not hard to figure out, GG is gone and despite the promise current development pathways are poor (seriously, when was the NYL run as a proper comp?). All you need to do is just look at where the 2006 or 2010 squad were playing club football compared to where the current lot are. No comparison (but I am sure there are plenty of excuses) Again this crap!!!!! It's rather boring!!! Most of the GG would not be playing in the top teams today outside of Dukes & Harry, they did not have the skills required, today it's skilled based not just fitness hackers. It makes it worse that people are also doubling down on whether we need to get back to being physical like we were in the past instead of trying to be better in playing the game especially being better at the fundamentals in terms of technique and game sense which we have struggled for years anyway. Bear in mind that most of the opponents the GG had back in the day, not to mention other world class players of the time (baring a few obvious exceptions) probably wouldn't cut it at todays top level either... its a bullshit coverall argument that Lowy apologists use to say "things are great in Australia soccer" - Ill give you a hint, they are NOT...... There you go again pushing your barrel, why don't you just stop talking BS, just more BS agendas instead of putting football in this country first. I never once said the things are great in Australia football (I'll leave to you AFL apologists to call it soccer). Like I said I have followed football in this country since 1974, when has things been great in this country for football, we are driven by agendas, nepotism & money, old boys club. Look at what a couple of ex Socceroos EPL premiership winners did to Ange in their foxtel pundit of the Socceroos performances, look where Ange is now. Australia doesn't & never been a country that produces players of high technique skills, for all the greatness of the GG, we just didn't produce players with high quality 1st touch & great technique with great vision. Guus Hiddink suggested this when coaching the Soccceroos. Many Brazilians told me the same in Germany in 2006 WC after we lost 2 nil to them. I didn't believe them until I got home & saw the replay, they the Brazilians were on another 2-3 levels skills wise, though we competed. Don't let your little agendas think that we produce better players in a certain era. Only 2 players played consistently at the highest level & their main attributes were their skills & vision & that was Kewell & Dukes.
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The first I saw Garang he was on crutches sitting in front of me at a Mariners match. I had a chat to him and he certainly is a very down to earth guy. Two or three weeks later the area in front of me, usually reserved for the Academy players was full, which it rarely is. They had come to see Garang and warned me to keep an eye on him. He didn't disappoint scoring a few minutes after coming on after coming close just earlier. Then in the final minutes he laid on a beautiful ball to Moresche that led to a Matt Hatch goal.. They knew how far in front of them he was and the impact he would make.
I don't know whether he will fulfill his potential but he is way ahead in talent than most of the people we have hailed as the next 'Kewell'. I just hope that he has an largely injury free career and after it is over we start talking about the next 'Garang'.
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The good thing is the Mariners might get some much needed dollars with the sell on clause. This is there business model at work. "The Mariners will reportedly receive a transfer fee of $500,000 from Newcastle, but with the promise of much more to come through sell-on clauses and other bonus triggers."
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I was watching at the game on sunday and GK has such good situational awareness and football brain you could see he had read the play and knew what he was going to do before the ball even got to him and it's something thats innate, and most importantly it's seems like he's got the right temperament too.
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+x+x+x+x"The Central Coast Mariners can confirm that the club has agreed terms for the sale of Garang Kuol to Newcastle United." ⚽ See Kuol live when we play Newcastle October 8th 👉 https://bit.ly/3xLNECxRead more 👉 https://bit.ly/3BQZxrU#CCMFC #WontBackDown #OurParadise Will have to watch this if I can. New Zealand are not a hard task tbh. I think some ppl are talking him way up What about Barcelona?? https://youtu.be/yGr0oQ-atZk Fantastic. But it's against Barcelona in a Mickey Mouse match. The display of skill by Garang Kuol, against Barcelona, is still perfectly valid. In 2003, Cristiano Ronaldo played in a friendly for Sporting against Man Utd. He dazzled and a bunch of the Man Utd players immediately urged Sir Alex to sign him, iirc. So, it's a great indication of potential from Kuol. But it's still a pre-season friendly as opposed to a Champion's League match. The nerves can get the best of players. He isn't showing any against Barca there lol
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Like a typical 18 year kid that just grabbed offer of free EPL ticket lol 😆 sign that he is humble not opting for private box seat
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+x+xLove him to bits. Reminiscent of Arzani (who I still hope may recover fully from his injury one day) but levels above. People are wary of comparing him with Harry? Bugger that... I'm comparing him with Killian MBappe. Blazing pace, great awareness of team mates and incredible finishing. Would not be surprised at all to see him at one of the very top clubs in Europe. Expecting him to go to the WC and blow the world away with his impact. 'Levels above (Daniel Arzani)' is a stretch, I think. Arzani had a hell of a lot of potential. He may still do. Anyhow, Kuol has a hell of a lot of potential. It's unquantifiable and imponderable, though, as we're talking largely about potential, here. But like you, I hope that Arzani makes a full recovery and becomes an important part of the NT and I hope that Kuol goes to Qatar. Difference between them is end product though. Arzani never really had it. Some may argue his assist stats were skewed by poor strikers BUT he didn't score goasls either. This kid Kuol looks far cooler in front of goal
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+x+x+xLove him to bits. Reminiscent of Arzani (who I still hope may recover fully from his injury one day) but levels above. People are wary of comparing him with Harry? Bugger that... I'm comparing him with Killian MBappe. Blazing pace, great awareness of team mates and incredible finishing. Would not be surprised at all to see him at one of the very top clubs in Europe. Expecting him to go to the WC and blow the world away with his impact. 'Levels above (Daniel Arzani)' is a stretch, I think. Arzani had a hell of a lot of potential. He may still do. Anyhow, Kuol has a hell of a lot of potential. It's unquantifiable and imponderable, though, as we're talking largely about potential, here. But like you, I hope that Arzani makes a full recovery and becomes an important part of the NT and I hope that Kuol goes to Qatar. Difference between them is end product though. Arzani never really had it. Some may argue his assist stats were skewed by poor strikers BUT he didn't score goasls either. This kid Kuol looks far cooler in front of goal Agree on the end product point (albeit from limited sample size from both players). It's worth noting that. So I'd say that he looks cooler (or more mature) than Arzani. But neither of them have played enough. We're largely still talking about potential. So, in my opinion, 'levels above' is still a stretch.
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+x+x+x+x+x"The Central Coast Mariners can confirm that the club has agreed terms for the sale of Garang Kuol to Newcastle United." ⚽ See Kuol live when we play Newcastle October 8th 👉 https://bit.ly/3xLNECxRead more 👉 https://bit.ly/3BQZxrU#CCMFC #WontBackDown #OurParadise Will have to watch this if I can. New Zealand are not a hard task tbh. I think some ppl are talking him way up What about Barcelona?? https://youtu.be/yGr0oQ-atZk Fantastic. But it's against Barcelona in a Mickey Mouse match. The display of skill by Garang Kuol, against Barcelona, is still perfectly valid. In 2003, Cristiano Ronaldo played in a friendly for Sporting against Man Utd. He dazzled and a bunch of the Man Utd players immediately urged Sir Alex to sign him, iirc. So, it's a great indication of potential from Kuol. But it's still a pre-season friendly as opposed to a Champion's League match. The nerves can get the best of players. He isn't showing any against Barca there lol It's also a matter of how seriously the opposition take the game (i.e. a pre-season friendly on the other side of the world).
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+xThe first I saw Garang he was on crutches sitting in front of me at a Mariners match. I had a chat to him and he certainly is a very down to earth guy. Two or three weeks later the area in front of me, usually reserved for the Academy players was full, which it rarely is. They had come to see Garang and warned me to keep an eye on him. He didn't disappoint scoring a few minutes after coming on after coming close just earlier. Then in the final minutes he laid on a beautiful ball to Moresche that led to a Matt Hatch goal.. They knew how far in front of them he was and the impact he would make. I don't know whether he will fulfill his potential but he is way ahead in talent than most of the people we have hailed as the next 'Kewell'. I just hope that he has an largely injury free career and after it is over we start talking about the next 'Garang'. This was lovely to read.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x10 professional matches, no starts and 4 goals in 199 minutes of play, dont want to go off early but wow, dare I say we found our next Arzani...... How good is he? That is the question, not he is great. He has potential, if you don't see that, well!!!! Unfortunately, the poor development pathways here mean we have very little coming through so understand why people get excited, but as Eddie Murphy said in RAW, when you are starving and someone throws you a cracker, you be like... https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/4bd4c676-30f6-4ff9-8d18-e62ac36a5c0d/gif They are not that poor if we've qualified for 5 successive World Cups! Only 10 teams in the world have qualified for the last 5 successive World Cups. Three times we've had to qualify by playing intercontinental sudden death quaffers, beating CONMEBOL twice, and CONCACAF once. Thats like using possession stats to figure out who won a match, useless in isolation and only provides temporary comfort to the ill-informed. Speaking of ill-informed, there are actually 12 at 5 or more consecutive appearances including 2022: | Team | Current consecutive appearances | | Brazil | 22 | | Germany | 18 | | Argentina | 13 | | Spain | 12 | | South Korea | 10 | | Mexico | 8 | | France | 7 | | England | 7 | | Japan | 7 | | Portugal | 6 | | Switzerland | 5 | | Australia | 5 | And funnily enough, of those with 5 or more, 3 are from AFC. Hmm, wonder why, because AFC is easy to qualify from (which is why we joined) especially after they got 4.5 spots in 2006 and the fact we went from direct qualification in 2010 & 2014 to needing playoff's for 2018 & 2022 tells you we are getting shitter. Why you may ask again? Not hard to figure out, GG is gone and despite the promise current development pathways are poor (seriously, when was the NYL run as a proper comp?). All you need to do is just look at where the 2006 or 2010 squad were playing club football compared to where the current lot are. No comparison (but I am sure there are plenty of excuses) Again this crap!!!!! It's rather boring!!! Most of the GG would not be playing in the top teams today outside of Dukes & Harry, they did not have the skills required, today it's skilled based not just fitness hackers. It makes it worse that people are also doubling down on whether we need to get back to being physical like we were in the past instead of trying to be better in playing the game especially being better at the fundamentals in terms of technique and game sense which we have struggled for years anyway. Bear in mind that most of the opponents the GG had back in the day, not to mention other world class players of the time (baring a few obvious exceptions) probably wouldn't cut it at todays top level either... its a bullshit coverall argument that Lowy apologists use to say "things are great in Australia soccer" - Ill give you a hint, they are NOT...... There you go again pushing your barrel, why don't you just stop talking BS, just more BS agendas instead of putting football in this country first. I never once said the things are great in Australia football (I'll leave to you AFL apologists to call it soccer). Like I said I have followed football in this country since 1974, when has things been great in this country for football, we are driven by agendas, nepotism & money, old boys club. Look at what a couple of ex Socceroos EPL premiership winners did to Ange in their foxtel pundit of the Socceroos performances, look where Ange is now. Australia doesn't & never been a country that produces players of high technique skills, for all the greatness of the GG, we just didn't produce players with high quality 1st touch & great technique with great vision. Guus Hiddink suggested this when coaching the Soccceroos. Many Brazilians told me the same in Germany in 2006 WC after we lost 2 nil to them. I didn't believe them until I got home & saw the replay, they the Brazilians were on another 2-3 levels skills wise, though we competed. Don't let your little agendas think that we produce better players in a certain era. Only 2 players played consistently at the highest level & their main attributes were their skills & vision & that was Kewell & Dukes. What are you on about???? We are basically saying the same thing????
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+xThe first I saw Garang he was on crutches sitting in front of me at a Mariners match. I had a chat to him and he certainly is a very down to earth guy. Two or three weeks later the area in front of me, usually reserved for the Academy players was full, which it rarely is. They had come to see Garang and warned me to keep an eye on him. He didn't disappoint scoring a few minutes after coming on after coming close just earlier. Then in the final minutes he laid on a beautiful ball to Moresche that led to a Matt Hatch goal.. They knew how far in front of them he was and the impact he would make. I don't know whether he will fulfill his potential but he is way ahead in talent than most of the people we have hailed as the next 'Kewell'. I just hope that he has an largely injury free career and after it is over we start talking about the next 'Garang'. THIS IS REAL FOOTBALL .... great to read, thanks.
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