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It seems he isn't interested in pulling on the shirt. Let him go. He is hardly the sort of player to have the Aussie mental strength shown by so any past and present Socceroos. If he never pays for Italy at senior level, he could regret his decision to knock back Aus in the future at the end of his playing career.
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He's no longer a factor. Ignore him, like cats and women you have to let them come to you.
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I would honestly welcome him with open arms if he changes his mind. We need all the quality we can get.
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+xHe apparently was in Sydney yesterday Roma have just toured Japan I believe. Quick family stop no doubt.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xduring the nsl era we got knocked out by some pretty weak teams. The best roos teams during the era we had leagues were during the nsl era, but also the worst I suspect it has nothing to do with a league v nsl but more to do with the fact that all oz sporting teams seem to have their quality go up and down during the same eras and that probably has to do with funding from the government In just over 12 months we will begin the era where we basically have the nsl and a league at once and that will put us in structurally the best place we have ever been to ride the next wave in oz sport We had some pretty dismal performances in the past sure and arguably, maybe, even weaker performing teams in previous eras. Perhaps it IS a fair touch of "rose coloured glasses" syndrome but even our worst performances in the past didnt seem to show the same level of apathy, cowardice and tactical naivety as the last few years. (And before anyone tries to bore us to death with comparisons between 1980s and 2020s formations, fitness and gameplay - remember that it is ALWAYS relative to the level the rest of the world is playing at AT THE TIME). I dont think it is entirely the fault of the Aleague at all mate, but rather the shortsightedness of FFA... Completely on them. In their eagerness to "cleanse" the game and give foreign investors a blank canvas from which to market themselves to consumers, they forgot to prioritise the development of our playing pool. Youth football, almost overnight, became an expense, with an attempt to recuperate losses from a growing middle class, instead of the organic, club based (and state based rep-squads) nurseries of previous times. NSL was a shitshow of nepotism and agendas, as where the rep teams in pre Aleague times and yet we still seemed to develop players for the Socceroos and overseas quality leagues.... I love the blindness of these people, he calls me an old man. Yes maybe I am, I was around, when, pre A-League, 32 years of no WC, but shit we did well in youth WC. Since A-League (yes 100% FA is not doing a great job, but shit better than SA), we have made 5 WCs in a row. We just had a player signed by one of the big clubs (Yes Newcastle are one of the big clubs now) at 18 years old, when did that happen before? Another now starting at Roma at 18 years old, only think of Kewell doing that before, there is a young guy in Adelaide Ikrandu (spelling) some saying the best 16 year old we have ever seen on these shores. Yeah maybe we are starting to see the rewards now. As for Volpatto, sorry cant claim that one ..... he left the very same glorious non-wog league you are glorifying after not having enough "metrics" about him..... I think we can claim him. His development as a young boy to med-teens was entirely in Australia. I'm no expert but people keep banging on about how these are the most important years in respects to developing technique etc. Ages 10-12 at Sydney Croatia and Ages 12-16 at the AC Milan Soccer Academy in Sydney wasn't it???? :P Depends, does a five day program during school holidays count?
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+x+xHe apparently was in Sydney yesterday LMAO what a muppet honestly i hope he never gets called up by Italy and regrets his decision for the rest of his life why? The kid is 18
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+xHe apparently was in Sydney yesterday Yeah posted it on his IG story
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+xHe apparently was in Sydney yesterday LMAO what a muppet honestly i hope he never gets called up by Italy and regrets his decision for the rest of his life
these Kangaroos can play football -
Ange P. (Intercontinental WC Play-offs 2017)
KEEP POLITICS OUT OF FOOTBALL
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+x+xWonder if he’s regretting his decision. Born and bred Aussie, can’t tell me he wouldn’t be proud like the rest of us. Probably regretting. But no one thought we would get through the group. No one thought highly of Arnold. Maybe if he plays instead of Mcgree he doesn’t feed that ball to Leckie.
The good news is he will probably be warmer to representing Australia given our success at this tournament. Fuck him, we don't need Italy's scraps
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He apparently was in Sydney yesterday
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+xWonder if he’s regretting his decision. Born and bred Aussie, can’t tell me he wouldn’t be proud like the rest of us. Probably regretting. But no one thought we would get through the group. No one thought highly of Arnold. Maybe if he plays instead of Mcgree he doesn’t feed that ball to Leckie.
The good news is he will probably be warmer to representing Australia given our success at this tournament.
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+xWonder if he’s regretting his decision. Born and bred Aussie, can’t tell me he wouldn’t be proud like the rest of us. No doubt sulking telling himself he is glad. He will grow up hopefully
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Wonder if he’s regretting his decision. Born and bred Aussie, can’t tell me he wouldn’t be proud like the rest of us.
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+x+x+x+xI mean we didn't qualify before 1974, so hard to buy that was a golden era either There have been ups and downs throughout our history. We had a brief period where we produced a great generation and managed to beat the 5th placed south america team, qualify for the confeds final and make the round of 16 over around 8 years and have a bunch of players playing in big 5 leagues in a 100 year history. Incidentally this era corresponded to when p&r was removed from the nsl. Probably that wasn't the reason - every sport from olympics, to rugby, to cricket to rugby league produced a golden gen around the same time. Countries sports cultures go through highs and lows I think we have never had 2 national divisions with the top division getting crowds big enough for main stream appeal, sustained across 2 decades aside from covid. We have never had an era before where football participation numbers are this high, we have qualified for 5 world cups in a row due to the stability of being in asia and having a professional top division mainstream appeal. We have the ffa separate from the governing of the top league. The NPL has improved in quality, the kids playing underage are better than any of us have ever seen (I would give credit to the ntc) and there should finally be pathways from the top to the bottom being introduced. Football has never reached its potential in oz, and has faced challenges a lot of people seem to gloss over. But at some stage you have to take a glass half full approach surely? I like your approach grazor, I really do. Ill try to keep the glass half full but Jesus mate, its gets cracks in it all the time :) BTW, Australian Soccer was only accepted as a FIFA member in 1956 and also was suspended between (I think) 60-64 so to make a WC in 1974 with players ALL part timers from a state based comp is a pretty decent achievement. Decent ?, thinking back it was unbelieveable we made it to me. My era, infact one player started at my local club, Murray Barnes, a benchi but good luck to him he got picked, his Roo shirt is framed at the local Clubhouse.. TBCH back in those barren days (32yrs) as a kid I don't think we really even bothered thinking why didn't we qualify. Football was so off the media radar and general discussions only those invested knew about it all. As mentioned such part timers, up against everything, we were a project and dream of those involved and also scratching for any red cent you could find to travel let alone pay players so I find it sad how much later dawners bag those 32yrs, we were a distant backwater to the Euros let alone rest of the world and a thorn, let alone a laugh to our own main population. Turn it up guys. Lets give some credit to where its due. Also that pock a poop system from far far away presented Bartz being chased by United @ 17yrs signed for 2yrs. Mention of Kangaroo Johnston @ 17yrs Boro rest is history Legend for me, wonder why haha. HK @ 15 Leeds - I won't bother with the rest who followed HK/Dukes but you get my drift. The best thing AL brought was Professionalism, I'm thankful for that and needed to come and qualifying x 5 great ! is no diff to '74, we suck in the Grp stage, thats it thats all we get out qualifying every 4yrs of hard work and still the same outcome with so so much more resource than '74. For the same outcome - tells us even with the pro AL x 17yrs we're still way off being competitive in the games that really count (NT) and gains you Football recognition/credibility. We earned it through that GG era despite some posting up facts/graphs BPO crap, we had a core that got known and grinded out some impressive games that people noticed in the global Football family. We hardly blink an eye to date now but ironically a young Volpato has got more global headlines than the entire Roos squad with Koul thankgoodness. Says alot what our local comp has not delivered in the vein of 32 dry yrs. I fell in love with the game during the WC in 74 & love the Socceroos, so every year we didn't qualify in those 32 years was painful to me. However remember in 1977 we lost to Iran & finished behind Sth Korea & Kuwait, they were amateurs too, in 1981 to New Zealand, even bigger story for them, NZ were amateurs. Horrible. In 1985 we lost to Scotland, Frank Arok wanted to play Scotland in 35 degrees heat in Darwin but SA wanted the money & we played them in MCG in a mild Autumn day & drew 0-0 after losing to them in Scotland. In 1989 failed to get past Israel, not exactly a world power in Football. In 1993 we lost to Maradona, where the Vidmars brothers starred. In 1997 lost to Iran, as big as 2005 was huge, this was the biggest disappointment. In 2001 we lost to Uruguay, but beat them 4 years later. I was there & 32 years of pain came pouring out as Johnny scored the penalty & later I was in Germany when Croatia B drew with Croatia A & qualified the Socceroos for the first time into the 2nd round. Probably don't have great memory of 1977 failure, but the others are embedded in my mind. yeah so we were knocked out by the 5th placed asian team twice and the 5th place south american team twice and new zealand once. If you take the last 8 years where we stopped being solely reliable on cahill, we have qualified finishing in the top 4 in asia, knocked out the 5th based asian team twice, beaten the 4th place concacaf team and knocked out the 5th place south american team. Thats not to say things didn't reach a high in the end, but the nsl era wasn't 30 years of harry kewell and tim cahill and the a league hasn't been 17 years of ruben zadkovic. We've taken two steps forward and one backward looking at the average and with the old nsl clubs put into a national comp and reintegrated, hopefully its another 2 step forwards (and probably one backwards some how for reasons I'm not predicting)
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He should’ve come out and said he didn’t want to play in a World Cup in Qatar.
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I see you guys are still talking about a bloke that doesn't want to give Australia the time of day
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+x+x+x+x+x+xduring the nsl era we got knocked out by some pretty weak teams. The best roos teams during the era we had leagues were during the nsl era, but also the worst I suspect it has nothing to do with a league v nsl but more to do with the fact that all oz sporting teams seem to have their quality go up and down during the same eras and that probably has to do with funding from the government In just over 12 months we will begin the era where we basically have the nsl and a league at once and that will put us in structurally the best place we have ever been to ride the next wave in oz sport We had some pretty dismal performances in the past sure and arguably, maybe, even weaker performing teams in previous eras. Perhaps it IS a fair touch of "rose coloured glasses" syndrome but even our worst performances in the past didnt seem to show the same level of apathy, cowardice and tactical naivety as the last few years. (And before anyone tries to bore us to death with comparisons between 1980s and 2020s formations, fitness and gameplay - remember that it is ALWAYS relative to the level the rest of the world is playing at AT THE TIME). I dont think it is entirely the fault of the Aleague at all mate, but rather the shortsightedness of FFA... Completely on them. In their eagerness to "cleanse" the game and give foreign investors a blank canvas from which to market themselves to consumers, they forgot to prioritise the development of our playing pool. Youth football, almost overnight, became an expense, with an attempt to recuperate losses from a growing middle class, instead of the organic, club based (and state based rep-squads) nurseries of previous times. NSL was a shitshow of nepotism and agendas, as where the rep teams in pre Aleague times and yet we still seemed to develop players for the Socceroos and overseas quality leagues.... I love the blindness of these people, he calls me an old man. Yes maybe I am, I was around, when, pre A-League, 32 years of no WC, but shit we did well in youth WC. Since A-League (yes 100% FA is not doing a great job, but shit better than SA), we have made 5 WCs in a row. We just had a player signed by one of the big clubs (Yes Newcastle are one of the big clubs now) at 18 years old, when did that happen before? Another now starting at Roma at 18 years old, only think of Kewell doing that before, there is a young guy in Adelaide Ikrandu (spelling) some saying the best 16 year old we have ever seen on these shores. Yeah maybe we are starting to see the rewards now. As for Volpatto, sorry cant claim that one ..... he left the very same glorious non-wog league you are glorifying after not having enough "metrics" about him..... I think we can claim him. His development as a young boy to med-teens was entirely in Australia. I'm no expert but people keep banging on about how these are the most important years in respects to developing technique etc. Ages 10-12 at Sydney Croatia and Ages 12-16 at the AC Milan Soccer Academy in Sydney wasn't it???? :P He was at Sydney FC and WSW academy since he left Sydney United but of course there is an hidden agenda with you ;)
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+x+x+xI mean we didn't qualify before 1974, so hard to buy that was a golden era either There have been ups and downs throughout our history. We had a brief period where we produced a great generation and managed to beat the 5th placed south america team, qualify for the confeds final and make the round of 16 over around 8 years and have a bunch of players playing in big 5 leagues in a 100 year history. Incidentally this era corresponded to when p&r was removed from the nsl. Probably that wasn't the reason - every sport from olympics, to rugby, to cricket to rugby league produced a golden gen around the same time. Countries sports cultures go through highs and lows I think we have never had 2 national divisions with the top division getting crowds big enough for main stream appeal, sustained across 2 decades aside from covid. We have never had an era before where football participation numbers are this high, we have qualified for 5 world cups in a row due to the stability of being in asia and having a professional top division mainstream appeal. We have the ffa separate from the governing of the top league. The NPL has improved in quality, the kids playing underage are better than any of us have ever seen (I would give credit to the ntc) and there should finally be pathways from the top to the bottom being introduced. Football has never reached its potential in oz, and has faced challenges a lot of people seem to gloss over. But at some stage you have to take a glass half full approach surely? I like your approach grazor, I really do. Ill try to keep the glass half full but Jesus mate, its gets cracks in it all the time :) BTW, Australian Soccer was only accepted as a FIFA member in 1956 and also was suspended between (I think) 60-64 so to make a WC in 1974 with players ALL part timers from a state based comp is a pretty decent achievement. Decent ?, thinking back it was unbelieveable we made it to me. My era, infact one player started at my local club, Murray Barnes, a benchi but good luck to him he got picked, his Roo shirt is framed at the local Clubhouse.. TBCH back in those barren days (32yrs) as a kid I don't think we really even bothered thinking why didn't we qualify. Football was so off the media radar and general discussions only those invested knew about it all. As mentioned such part timers, up against everything, we were a project and dream of those involved and also scratching for any red cent you could find to travel let alone pay players so I find it sad how much later dawners bag those 32yrs, we were a distant backwater to the Euros let alone rest of the world and a thorn, let alone a laugh to our own main population. Turn it up guys. Lets give some credit to where its due. Also that pock a poop system from far far away presented Bartz being chased by United @ 17yrs signed for 2yrs. Mention of Kangaroo Johnston @ 17yrs Boro rest is history Legend for me, wonder why haha. HK @ 15 Leeds - I won't bother with the rest who followed HK/Dukes but you get my drift. The best thing AL brought was Professionalism, I'm thankful for that and needed to come and qualifying x 5 great ! is no diff to '74, we suck in the Grp stage, thats it thats all we get out qualifying every 4yrs of hard work and still the same outcome with so so much more resource than '74. For the same outcome - tells us even with the pro AL x 17yrs we're still way off being competitive in the games that really count (NT) and gains you Football recognition/credibility. We earned it through that GG era despite some posting up facts/graphs BPO crap, we had a core that got known and grinded out some impressive games that people noticed in the global Football family. We hardly blink an eye to date now but ironically a young Volpato has got more global headlines than the entire Roos squad with Koul thankgoodness. Says alot what our local comp has not delivered in the vein of 32 dry yrs. I fell in love with the game during the WC in 74 & love the Socceroos, so every year we didn't qualify in those 32 years was painful to me. However remember in 1977 we lost to Iran & finished behind Sth Korea & Kuwait, they were amateurs too, in 1981 to New Zealand, even bigger story for them, NZ were amateurs. Horrible. In 1985 we lost to Scotland, Frank Arok wanted to play Scotland in 35 degrees heat in Darwin but SA wanted the money & we played them in MCG in a mild Autumn day & drew 0-0 after losing to them in Scotland. In 1989 failed to get past Israel, not exactly a world power in Football. In 1993 we lost to Maradona, where the Vidmars brothers starred. In 1997 lost to Iran, as big as 2005 was huge, this was the biggest disappointment. In 2001 we lost to Uruguay, but beat them 4 years later. I was there & 32 years of pain came pouring out as Johnny scored the penalty & later I was in Germany when Croatia B drew with Croatia A & qualified the Socceroos for the first time into the 2nd round. Probably don't have great memory of 1977 failure, but the others are embedded in my mind.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x@ MSC Sounds like you are saying the current FA are no different to the old FFA ... With any luck, this last hurrah in Qatar will be the last time we are embarrassed by our federation. Sure , unlike the 32 years before we qualified for WC2006 ... I was never embarrassed by a Socceroos team (despite some pretty dismal performances) before 2006 Paulie, were you? I've never been embarrassed by a Socceroos team since 2006 MSC, have you? I have mate, a couple of times... Even as recently as this qualifying phase. I envy you if you are happy to hide behind the fact that we have qualified for 5 WCs, I personally am dreading the feeling of watching us bow out AGAIN in straight sets without firing a shot in anger. Look past your evident satisfaction that ":at least there are no more wog clubs in the national league chanting Hellas - Hellas anymore" and tell me you honestly think we are on the right track? We had 32 years of no World cup. That was rather embarrassing losing to New Zealand, Israel, Iran. We've never been on the right track mate!!!! I'm a wog too, but I got over it. Israel was hard fought slog with players giving their all, Iran was just a disjointed performance overall I agree. I wasnt "embarrassed" by either of them, you dont get the point obliviously and are on the defensive.... all good. Glad you got over being a wog, thats awesome mate. Happy for you. No mate, no getting over being a wog, I'm always got that in me. I've got over it being a problem. I guess that is fundamentally where we are different then mate. I NEVER saw "being a wog" as being a problem in the first place. Lucky for me a guess this country is changing ..... slowly slowly but it IS changing. However your posts says something different, you are still playing the victim in all your wog post. However, yes you are right we are fundamentally different. I will always want the best for Football in this country & never let my own little pathetic agendas cloud this. No victim here buddy. I am proud of who I am and who I support. I refuse to let you or any other person on here tell me that the birthplace of my parents doesn't allow me to be Australian I can be whoever or whatever I want, I have two drivers licenses, two passports and one birth certificate and you can go on considering your heritage a "problem" all you want ... I celebrate mine. You crap on about agendas but you also happen to be the only one left on these forums (thankfully Paulie has now transformed into a beautiful Lowy loving remotecontrol) that seems to have a racially discriminating bias against certain Australian Soccer Clubs. Wonder why? And, for some reason I am not yet entirely sure of, the only time in history that they whree permitted to compete in Australia's top tier soccer competition , seems to draw this massive hatred from you..... Are you defending your plastic entertainment franchises perhaps? hahahahaha that is sooooo cute.. Your NOT defending football in this country Robbos, lets be clear, your defending plastic garbage....... I have never mentioned your club & or who you follow, & I've never had any issue with it. I couldn't care less if i tried of who you follow. It's not about YOU!!!! Well I'm off to the Sydney Derby today with 35K, I'll be there with all my other woggy friends who all have 2 driver licenses, two passports & then we will all have the world cup to enjoy, following 2 teams, The Socceroos & our parents heritage teams (Viva Portugal), all except my Greek (they used to not participating) & Italian friends, they only have the Socceroos to follow.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xduring the nsl era we got knocked out by some pretty weak teams. The best roos teams during the era we had leagues were during the nsl era, but also the worst I suspect it has nothing to do with a league v nsl but more to do with the fact that all oz sporting teams seem to have their quality go up and down during the same eras and that probably has to do with funding from the government In just over 12 months we will begin the era where we basically have the nsl and a league at once and that will put us in structurally the best place we have ever been to ride the next wave in oz sport We had some pretty dismal performances in the past sure and arguably, maybe, even weaker performing teams in previous eras. Perhaps it IS a fair touch of "rose coloured glasses" syndrome but even our worst performances in the past didnt seem to show the same level of apathy, cowardice and tactical naivety as the last few years. (And before anyone tries to bore us to death with comparisons between 1980s and 2020s formations, fitness and gameplay - remember that it is ALWAYS relative to the level the rest of the world is playing at AT THE TIME). I dont think it is entirely the fault of the Aleague at all mate, but rather the shortsightedness of FFA... Completely on them. In their eagerness to "cleanse" the game and give foreign investors a blank canvas from which to market themselves to consumers, they forgot to prioritise the development of our playing pool. Youth football, almost overnight, became an expense, with an attempt to recuperate losses from a growing middle class, instead of the organic, club based (and state based rep-squads) nurseries of previous times. NSL was a shitshow of nepotism and agendas, as where the rep teams in pre Aleague times and yet we still seemed to develop players for the Socceroos and overseas quality leagues.... I love the blindness of these people, he calls me an old man. Yes maybe I am, I was around, when, pre A-League, 32 years of no WC, but shit we did well in youth WC. Since A-League (yes 100% FA is not doing a great job, but shit better than SA), we have made 5 WCs in a row. We just had a player signed by one of the big clubs (Yes Newcastle are one of the big clubs now) at 18 years old, when did that happen before? Another now starting at Roma at 18 years old, only think of Kewell doing that before, there is a young guy in Adelaide Ikrandu (spelling) some saying the best 16 year old we have ever seen on these shores. Yeah maybe we are starting to see the rewards now. As for Volpatto, sorry cant claim that one ..... he left the very same glorious non-wog league you are glorifying after not having enough "metrics" about him..... I think we can claim him. His development as a young boy to med-teens was entirely in Australia. I'm no expert but people keep banging on about how these are the most important years in respects to developing technique etc. Ages 10-12 at Sydney Croatia and Ages 12-16 at the AC Milan Soccer Academy in Sydney wasn't it???? :P Pretty sure Sydney is in Australia
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Volpato in the Italian u21 squad
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+x+xI mean we didn't qualify before 1974, so hard to buy that was a golden era either There have been ups and downs throughout our history. We had a brief period where we produced a great generation and managed to beat the 5th placed south america team, qualify for the confeds final and make the round of 16 over around 8 years and have a bunch of players playing in big 5 leagues in a 100 year history. Incidentally this era corresponded to when p&r was removed from the nsl. Probably that wasn't the reason - every sport from olympics, to rugby, to cricket to rugby league produced a golden gen around the same time. Countries sports cultures go through highs and lows I think we have never had 2 national divisions with the top division getting crowds big enough for main stream appeal, sustained across 2 decades aside from covid. We have never had an era before where football participation numbers are this high, we have qualified for 5 world cups in a row due to the stability of being in asia and having a professional top division mainstream appeal. We have the ffa separate from the governing of the top league. The NPL has improved in quality, the kids playing underage are better than any of us have ever seen (I would give credit to the ntc) and there should finally be pathways from the top to the bottom being introduced. Football has never reached its potential in oz, and has faced challenges a lot of people seem to gloss over. But at some stage you have to take a glass half full approach surely? I like your approach grazor, I really do. Ill try to keep the glass half full but Jesus mate, its gets cracks in it all the time :) BTW, Australian Soccer was only accepted as a FIFA member in 1956 and also was suspended between (I think) 60-64 so to make a WC in 1974 with players ALL part timers from a state based comp is a pretty decent achievement. Decent ?, thinking back it was unbelieveable we made it to me. My era, infact one player started at my local club, Murray Barnes, a benchi but good luck to him he got picked, his Roo shirt is framed at the local Clubhouse.. TBCH back in those barren days (32yrs) as a kid I don't think we really even bothered thinking why didn't we qualify. Football was so off the media radar and general discussions only those invested knew about it all. As mentioned such part timers, up against everything, we were a project and dream of those involved and also scratching for any red cent you could find to travel let alone pay players so I find it sad how much later dawners bag those 32yrs, we were a distant backwater to the Euros let alone rest of the world and a thorn, let alone a laugh to our own main population. Turn it up guys. Lets give some credit to where its due. Also that pock a poop system from far far away presented Bartz being chased by United @ 17yrs signed for 2yrs. Mention of Kangaroo Johnston @ 17yrs Boro rest is history Legend for me, wonder why haha. HK @ 15 Leeds - I won't bother with the rest who followed HK/Dukes but you get my drift. The best thing AL brought was Professionalism, I'm thankful for that and needed to come and qualifying x 5 great ! is no diff to '74, we suck in the Grp stage, thats it thats all we get out qualifying every 4yrs of hard work and still the same outcome with so so much more resource than '74. For the same outcome - tells us even with the pro AL x 17yrs we're still way off being competitive in the games that really count (NT) and gains you Football recognition/credibility. We earned it through that GG era despite some posting up facts/graphs BPO crap, we had a core that got known and grinded out some impressive games that people noticed in the global Football family. We hardly blink an eye to date now but ironically a young Volpato has got more global headlines than the entire Roos squad with Koul thankgoodness. Says alot what our local comp has not delivered in the vein of 32 dry yrs.
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+x+x+x+x+xduring the nsl era we got knocked out by some pretty weak teams. The best roos teams during the era we had leagues were during the nsl era, but also the worst I suspect it has nothing to do with a league v nsl but more to do with the fact that all oz sporting teams seem to have their quality go up and down during the same eras and that probably has to do with funding from the government In just over 12 months we will begin the era where we basically have the nsl and a league at once and that will put us in structurally the best place we have ever been to ride the next wave in oz sport We had some pretty dismal performances in the past sure and arguably, maybe, even weaker performing teams in previous eras. Perhaps it IS a fair touch of "rose coloured glasses" syndrome but even our worst performances in the past didnt seem to show the same level of apathy, cowardice and tactical naivety as the last few years. (And before anyone tries to bore us to death with comparisons between 1980s and 2020s formations, fitness and gameplay - remember that it is ALWAYS relative to the level the rest of the world is playing at AT THE TIME). I dont think it is entirely the fault of the Aleague at all mate, but rather the shortsightedness of FFA... Completely on them. In their eagerness to "cleanse" the game and give foreign investors a blank canvas from which to market themselves to consumers, they forgot to prioritise the development of our playing pool. Youth football, almost overnight, became an expense, with an attempt to recuperate losses from a growing middle class, instead of the organic, club based (and state based rep-squads) nurseries of previous times. NSL was a shitshow of nepotism and agendas, as where the rep teams in pre Aleague times and yet we still seemed to develop players for the Socceroos and overseas quality leagues.... I love the blindness of these people, he calls me an old man. Yes maybe I am, I was around, when, pre A-League, 32 years of no WC, but shit we did well in youth WC. Since A-League (yes 100% FA is not doing a great job, but shit better than SA), we have made 5 WCs in a row. We just had a player signed by one of the big clubs (Yes Newcastle are one of the big clubs now) at 18 years old, when did that happen before? Another now starting at Roma at 18 years old, only think of Kewell doing that before, there is a young guy in Adelaide Ikrandu (spelling) some saying the best 16 year old we have ever seen on these shores. Yeah maybe we are starting to see the rewards now. As for Volpatto, sorry cant claim that one ..... he left the very same glorious non-wog league you are glorifying after not having enough "metrics" about him..... I think we can claim him. His development as a young boy to med-teens was entirely in Australia. I'm no expert but people keep banging on about how these are the most important years in respects to developing technique etc. Ages 10-12 at Sydney Croatia and Ages 12-16 at the AC Milan Soccer Academy in Sydney wasn't it???? :P
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+xI mean we didn't qualify before 1974, so hard to buy that was a golden era either There have been ups and downs throughout our history. We had a brief period where we produced a great generation and managed to beat the 5th placed south america team, qualify for the confeds final and make the round of 16 over around 8 years and have a bunch of players playing in big 5 leagues in a 100 year history. Incidentally this era corresponded to when p&r was removed from the nsl. Probably that wasn't the reason - every sport from olympics, to rugby, to cricket to rugby league produced a golden gen around the same time. Countries sports cultures go through highs and lows I think we have never had 2 national divisions with the top division getting crowds big enough for main stream appeal, sustained across 2 decades aside from covid. We have never had an era before where football participation numbers are this high, we have qualified for 5 world cups in a row due to the stability of being in asia and having a professional top division mainstream appeal. We have the ffa separate from the governing of the top league. The NPL has improved in quality, the kids playing underage are better than any of us have ever seen (I would give credit to the ntc) and there should finally be pathways from the top to the bottom being introduced. Football has never reached its potential in oz, and has faced challenges a lot of people seem to gloss over. But at some stage you have to take a glass half full approach surely? I like your approach grazor, I really do. Ill try to keep the glass half full but Jesus mate, its gets cracks in it all the time :) BTW, Australian Soccer was only accepted as a FIFA member in 1956 and also was suspended between (I think) 60-64 so to make a WC in 1974 with players ALL part timers from a state based comp is a pretty decent achievement.
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+x+x+x+xduring the nsl era we got knocked out by some pretty weak teams. The best roos teams during the era we had leagues were during the nsl era, but also the worst I suspect it has nothing to do with a league v nsl but more to do with the fact that all oz sporting teams seem to have their quality go up and down during the same eras and that probably has to do with funding from the government In just over 12 months we will begin the era where we basically have the nsl and a league at once and that will put us in structurally the best place we have ever been to ride the next wave in oz sport We had some pretty dismal performances in the past sure and arguably, maybe, even weaker performing teams in previous eras. Perhaps it IS a fair touch of "rose coloured glasses" syndrome but even our worst performances in the past didnt seem to show the same level of apathy, cowardice and tactical naivety as the last few years. (And before anyone tries to bore us to death with comparisons between 1980s and 2020s formations, fitness and gameplay - remember that it is ALWAYS relative to the level the rest of the world is playing at AT THE TIME). I dont think it is entirely the fault of the Aleague at all mate, but rather the shortsightedness of FFA... Completely on them. In their eagerness to "cleanse" the game and give foreign investors a blank canvas from which to market themselves to consumers, they forgot to prioritise the development of our playing pool. Youth football, almost overnight, became an expense, with an attempt to recuperate losses from a growing middle class, instead of the organic, club based (and state based rep-squads) nurseries of previous times. NSL was a shitshow of nepotism and agendas, as where the rep teams in pre Aleague times and yet we still seemed to develop players for the Socceroos and overseas quality leagues.... I love the blindness of these people, he calls me an old man. Yes maybe I am, I was around, when, pre A-League, 32 years of no WC, but shit we did well in youth WC. Since A-League (yes 100% FA is not doing a great job, but shit better than SA), we have made 5 WCs in a row. We just had a player signed by one of the big clubs (Yes Newcastle are one of the big clubs now) at 18 years old, when did that happen before? Another now starting at Roma at 18 years old, only think of Kewell doing that before, there is a young guy in Adelaide Ikrandu (spelling) some saying the best 16 year old we have ever seen on these shores. Yeah maybe we are starting to see the rewards now. As for Volpatto, sorry cant claim that one ..... he left the very same glorious non-wog league you are glorifying after not having enough "metrics" about him..... I think we can claim him. His development as a young boy to med-teens was entirely in Australia. I'm no expert but people keep banging on about how these are the most important years in respects to developing technique etc.
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I mean we didn't qualify before 1974, so hard to buy that was a golden era either
There have been ups and downs throughout our history.
We had a brief period where we produced a great generation and managed to beat the 5th placed south america team, qualify for the confeds final and make the round of 16 over around 8 years and have a bunch of players playing in big 5 leagues in a 100 year history. Incidentally this era corresponded to when p&r was removed from the nsl. Probably that wasn't the reason - every sport from olympics, to rugby, to cricket to rugby league produced a golden gen around the same time. Countries sports cultures go through highs and lows
I think we have never had 2 national divisions with the top division getting crowds big enough for main stream appeal, sustained across 2 decades aside from covid. We have never had an era before where football participation numbers are this high, we have qualified for 5 world cups in a row due to the stability of being in asia and having a professional top division mainstream appeal. We have the ffa separate from the governing of the top league. The NPL has improved in quality, the kids playing underage are better than any of us have ever seen (I would give credit to the ntc) and there should finally be pathways from the top to the bottom being introduced. Football has never reached its potential in oz, and has faced challenges a lot of people seem to gloss over. But at some stage you have to take a glass half full approach surely?
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+x+x+xYeah didnt we get kicked out by hong kong, kuwait, israel, new zealand and iran? The nsl was around for 30ish years and the a league 17 the average quality of player produced is probably higher in the a league, even though the peak has been lower. In any case we probably don’t have to choose between era if the nsd finally happens as we will be on a path to football firing on all cylinders NSL was around for 27 years but you do realise soccer in Australia (even the national team) has a storied history at least 50 years before that right? Even before the World Cup was even a thing. If anything, pathways for junior soccer players BEFORE the NSL were even better than during (although a lot less money involved) and a thriving local comp meant they could see alot more senior football minutes.... The 8 club, foreign, plastic competition dreamed up by Lowy came along and dismantled everything before it for the supposed "professionalism" of the game.. Some goose on here keeps harking on about how the Socceroos couldnt even afford to fly to tournaments before Lowy the white knight came along, never even pausing to think abut how many tournament the Socceroos, Matilda's or any age groups have actually been to in the last 10 years.... What did this revolution bring? Do we win tournaments now? Are we a better national squad now? I would argue that a bunch of part timers qualifying for the 1974 world cup is a thousand times more worthwhile an achievement than our last 2-3 qualifications .... but I guess thats obviosuly just me..... The NSD is simply a reaction to 17 years of non existent player development. A bandaid to stem the bleeding. I hope it works but dont hold out hope that it will be allowed to. Again your ignorance never astounds me, you new dawner. Now since this 1974 WC qualification was pre NSL & definitely pre A-League we are in neutral territory!!!Now the 1974 WC qualification was huge, great achievement from those wonderful Socceroos, it was my first world cup, I could nearly give you the lineup, I was hooked. Did you know that they beat other part timers in Asia to qualify for that WC. There was not any professional leagues in Asia as that time. Did you know that when Celtic won the European cup in 1967, all the players were born within 30 miles of their home ground, does this make Celtic achievement a thousand times more than Liverpool's 6 European Champions/Champions League victories? WTF??? Hahahahahaha Sorry I only followed South Melbourne Hellas in the pre-NSL era so the 1974 WC achievement is "MY ERA" cant be neutral because your plastic FC werent even a thought bubble back then hahahaha you are such a goose Robbo.....
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x@ MSC Sounds like you are saying the current FA are no different to the old FFA ... With any luck, this last hurrah in Qatar will be the last time we are embarrassed by our federation. Sure , unlike the 32 years before we qualified for WC2006 ... I was never embarrassed by a Socceroos team (despite some pretty dismal performances) before 2006 Paulie, were you? I've never been embarrassed by a Socceroos team since 2006 MSC, have you? I have mate, a couple of times... Even as recently as this qualifying phase. I envy you if you are happy to hide behind the fact that we have qualified for 5 WCs, I personally am dreading the feeling of watching us bow out AGAIN in straight sets without firing a shot in anger. Look past your evident satisfaction that ":at least there are no more wog clubs in the national league chanting Hellas - Hellas anymore" and tell me you honestly think we are on the right track? We had 32 years of no World cup. That was rather embarrassing losing to New Zealand, Israel, Iran. We've never been on the right track mate!!!! I'm a wog too, but I got over it. Israel was hard fought slog with players giving their all, Iran was just a disjointed performance overall I agree. I wasnt "embarrassed" by either of them, you dont get the point obliviously and are on the defensive.... all good. Glad you got over being a wog, thats awesome mate. Happy for you. No mate, no getting over being a wog, I'm always got that in me. I've got over it being a problem. I guess that is fundamentally where we are different then mate. I NEVER saw "being a wog" as being a problem in the first place. Lucky for me a guess this country is changing ..... slowly slowly but it IS changing. However your posts says something different, you are still playing the victim in all your wog post. However, yes you are right we are fundamentally different. I will always want the best for Football in this country & never let my own little pathetic agendas cloud this. No victim here buddy. I am proud of who I am and who I support. I refuse to let you or any other person on here tell me that the birthplace of my parents doesn't allow me to be Australian I can be whoever or whatever I want, I have two drivers licenses, two passports and one birth certificate and you can go on considering your heritage a "problem" all you want ... I celebrate mine. You crap on about agendas but you also happen to be the only one left on these forums (thankfully Paulie has now transformed into a beautiful Lowy loving remotecontrol) that seems to have a racially discriminating bias against certain Australian Soccer Clubs. Wonder why? And, for some reason I am not yet entirely sure of, the only time in history that they whree permitted to compete in Australia's top tier soccer competition , seems to draw this massive hatred from you..... Are you defending your plastic entertainment franchises perhaps? hahahahaha that is sooooo cute.. Your NOT defending football in this country Robbos, lets be clear, your defending plastic garbage.......
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+x+xYeah didnt we get kicked out by hong kong, kuwait, israel, new zealand and iran? The nsl was around for 30ish years and the a league 17 the average quality of player produced is probably higher in the a league, even though the peak has been lower. In any case we probably don’t have to choose between era if the nsd finally happens as we will be on a path to football firing on all cylinders NSL was around for 27 years but you do realise soccer in Australia (even the national team) has a storied history at least 50 years before that right? Even before the World Cup was even a thing. If anything, pathways for junior soccer players BEFORE the NSL were even better than during (although a lot less money involved) and a thriving local comp meant they could see alot more senior football minutes.... The 8 club, foreign, plastic competition dreamed up by Lowy came along and dismantled everything before it for the supposed "professionalism" of the game.. Some goose on here keeps harking on about how the Socceroos couldnt even afford to fly to tournaments before Lowy the white knight came along, never even pausing to think abut how many tournament the Socceroos, Matilda's or any age groups have actually been to in the last 10 years.... What did this revolution bring? Do we win tournaments now? Are we a better national squad now? I would argue that a bunch of part timers qualifying for the 1974 world cup is a thousand times more worthwhile an achievement than our last 2-3 qualifications .... but I guess thats obviosuly just me..... The NSD is simply a reaction to 17 years of non existent player development. A bandaid to stem the bleeding. I hope it works but dont hold out hope that it will be allowed to. Again your ignorance never astounds me, you new dawner. Now since this 1974 WC qualification was pre NSL & definitely pre A-League we are in neutral territory!!! Now the 1974 WC qualification was huge, great achievement from those wonderful Socceroos, it was my first world cup, I could nearly give you the lineup, I was hooked. Did you know that they beat other part timers in Asia to qualify for that WC. There was not any professional leagues in Asia as that time. Did you know that when Celtic won the European cup in 1967, all the players were born within 30 miles of their home ground, does this make Celtic achievement a thousand times more than Liverpool's 6 European Champions/Champions League victories?
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